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I Just Walked By Occupy Wall Street  
User currently offlinecomorin From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4896 posts, RR: 16
Posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 4151 times:

I moseyed over to Zanetti Park today at lunchtime and spent a few minutes at Occupy Wall Street. Some impressions:

1. Good vibe. The cops were smiling, the protesters were enthused and everyone seemed to be having a chill time.

2. Simple message: Rich getting richer at the expense of the working class. Lots of boards and banners. Young people seem really concerned that they will not have job opportunities once they leave college.

3. Age - Biggest surprise! I thought it'd be full of younger kids, but a lot of older people have joined in so the tone is more serious. I saw teachers, union members, and health care workers there. There was an impromptu clinic in the park too.

4. Size - Hey , this is a relatively small and contained demonstration (actually a live-in), unlike the way it has been portrayed in the media.

It felt great to see democracy in action, especially with non-violent and thoughtful protest.   

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User currently offlineeinsteinboricua From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2010, 3104 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 4129 times:

I like that kind of protest, where everything is civilized and orderly, where all ages are active in it, and (I assume) different ideologies are also there.


"You haven't seen a tree until you've seen its shadow from the sky."
User currently offlineDiamondFlyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 1547 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 4124 times:

Quoting comorin (Thread starter):
It felt great to see democracy in action, especially with non-violent and thoughtful protest.

It's not democracy. It's a bunch of people who can't live off the system and people who don't get to do what they want and make tons of money for it.

Face it, if these people put half the effort into finding a job and working that they've put into their "protests", they would be productive people.

-DiamondFlyer


User currently offlineZentraedi From Japan, joined Jun 2007, 660 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 4114 times:

Well great, but it makes no sense.

These people need to turn up at the voting booths and attack their politicians. These banks and corporations will only get away with as much as the government lets them.

I do work at a large investment bank and people ARE genuinely afraid of government audits/crack downs.


User currently offlinecomorin From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4896 posts, RR: 16
Reply 4, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4073 times:

Quoting DiamondFlyer (Reply 2):
t's not democracy. It's a bunch of people who can't live off the system and people who don't get to do what they want and make tons of money for it.

Face it, if these people put half the effort into finding a job and working that they've put into their "protests", they would be productive people.

Keep an open mind, my friend. The times are a-changin'...

...don't criticize
What you can't understand
Your sons and your daughters
Are beyond your command
Your old road is
Rapidly agin'.
Please get out of the new one
If you can't lend your hand...

attrib: Bob Dylan


Quoting Zentraedi (Reply 3):
These people need to turn up at the voting booths and attack their politicians. These banks and corporations will only get away with as much as the government lets them.

These people are trying to get a grassroots movement rolling so that they are a political force big enough for change. Very similar to what the Tea Party is/was trying to do.

There is another more issue-oriented thread going on so I don't want to intrude.


User currently offlineeinsteinboricua From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2010, 3104 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4072 times:

Quoting DiamondFlyer (Reply 2):
Face it, if these people put half the effort into finding a job and working that they've put into their "protests", they would be productive people.

What makes you so sure that some of these people have not tried looking for a job? To outright assume that is also not fair.



"You haven't seen a tree until you've seen its shadow from the sky."
User currently offlineDiamondFlyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 1547 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4027 times:

Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 5):
What makes you so sure that some of these people have not tried looking for a job? To outright assume that is also not fair.

Fair enough, but every day they spend living in the "protest" (I put that in quotes, because its really just a bunch of people whining, rather than trying to improve themselves), they aren't making any progress towards a job.

The real issue here is the belief that nearly everyone needs to go to college. Getting a degree in something like women's studies or English literature is the problem. Yes, there are jobs in those fields, but they are very limited. If people would suck it up and get educated where the demand is, there wouldn't be nearly as many issues. But the nanny state we live in has coddled people into believing they can do what they want and eat their proverbial cake too.

-DiamondFlyer


User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21637 posts, RR: 55
Reply 7, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3992 times:

Quoting DiamondFlyer (Reply 6):
every day they spend living in the "protest" (I put that in quotes, because its really just a bunch of people whining, rather than trying to improve themselves)

Isn't any protest ultimately a bunch of people complaining?

-Mir



7 billion, one nation, imagination...it's a beautiful day
User currently offlineDiamondFlyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 1547 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3981 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 7):
Isn't any protest ultimately a bunch of people complaining?

Yes, but they usually have an organized path to an outcome the problem they see. These people are all wanting different things, bring lots of problems to the table with absolutely no solutions.

-DiamondFlyer


User currently offlinedragon-wings From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3986 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3936 times:

Will these protests do anything?? They been there for a month and Wall Street" seems to be just ignoring them. I think they are going about it all wrong. They have demands right? But who do they tell their demands to? Wall Street is not just one company. It's hunders of companies and banks.

And here is another thought. When they are protesting during the day what happens to the protestors jobs? Do they not have jobs? Did they ask their boss for the day off so they could go protest about not having enough money as the rich?



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User currently offlinewindy95 From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 2727 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3931 times:

Quoting comorin (Thread starter):
It felt great to see democracy in action, especially with non-violent and thoughtful protest

There has been plenty of arrest in this protest acorss the nations. Thoughtful in what way?

Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 1):
and (I assume) different ideologies are also there.

Yes communism, socilaism and progressivism.

Quoting DiamondFlyer (Reply 2):
Face it, if these people put half the effort into finding a job and working that they've put into their "protests", they would be productive people

Correct.

Quoting DiamondFlyer (Reply 8):
These people are all wanting different things, bring lots of problems to the table with absolutely no solutions.

No solutions except to soak successful people. Oh I mean "rich" people.



OMG-Obama Must Go
User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21637 posts, RR: 55
Reply 11, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3915 times:

Quoting dragon-wings (Reply 9):
Did they ask their boss for the day off so they could go protest about not having enough money as the rich?

You really think that's what they're protesting?

Quoting DiamondFlyer (Reply 8):
These people are all wanting different things, bring lots of problems to the table with absolutely no solutions.

Sounds just like the Tea Party in its early days. If the Occupy Wall Street people can get some political action going and push an agenda of ethical business practices, an end to too-big-to-fail, and an end to big business and government being in bed with each other, then they'll get somewhere. If they don't, then they won't. Only time will tell.

-Mir



7 billion, one nation, imagination...it's a beautiful day
User currently offlinecanoecarrier From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2839 posts, RR: 12
Reply 12, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3902 times:

Quoting comorin (Thread starter):
1. Good vibe. The cops were smiling, the protesters were enthused and everyone seemed to be having a chill time.

They're smiling because here in Seattle this morning the police swept everyone out of the park they were in and confiscated all their tents. The cops are thinking, "Awesome! I get a brand new $400 REI tent today!"

Quoting comorin (Thread starter):
2. Simple message:

You're trying to keep this focused on your experience, but mine when I went by last week was, "what the hell is the message of this group?" They didn't seem focused at all. Anti-war groups at a rally about how big banks were beatin' the little man down? I was completely confused.

Quoting dragon-wings (Reply 9):
Will these protests do anything?? They been there for a month and Wall Street" seems to be just ignoring them.

The Seattle protests are literally a couple blocks from Goldman Sachs offices here, and they haven't walked by there once. The mayor said they could pitch their tents next to city hall but instead they stayed in the park and got their tents confiscated.

Everytime I see a protest like this, especially in Seattle, it's like the "lost footage of the movie PCU". We protest, just to protest and they stole my tent this morning! Some PETA group will be out next month complaining that the "Husky" mascot for the UW football team is oppressing dogs and we'll have to change the mascot to the endangered Taylor’s checkerspot butterfly found almost exclusively on Ft. Lewis's artillery range.



The beatings will continue until morale improves
User currently offlineflymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7175 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3890 times:

Quoting comorin (Reply 4):
These people are trying to get a grassroots movement rolling so that they are a political force big enough for change. Very similar to what the Tea Party is/was trying to do.
Quoting Mir (Reply 11):
Sounds just like the Tea Party in its early days. If the Occupy Wall Street people can get some political action going and push an agenda of ethical business practices, an end to too-big-to-fail, and an end to big business and government being in bed with each other, then they'll get somewhere. If they don't, then they won't. Only time will tell.

A few big differences between the Tea Party and these guys:
People were not arrested in Tea Party gatherings.
Tea Party people did things on the weekends they have to get back to their jobs. They were not living in parks or off public land, They were not consuming millions and millions of tax payer money for extra police.
Also Tea Party had actual politicians back them up. You will not see any current or serious politician or someone that is seriously running for office backing these people up. One reason is they would then lose their election. Occupy may call themselves the 99% but they are the not, most people do not understand them and want them to just stop their protest. Also their demands and ideas are crazy and are socialist and borderline communism at least compared to the system and values of the United States

Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 5):
What makes you so sure that some of these people have not tried looking for a job? To outright assume that is also not fair.

If they live in tents and are not showering I doubt they are looking for any jobs.

Quoting DiamondFlyer (Reply 6):
The real issue here is the belief that nearly everyone needs to go to college. Getting a degree in something like women's studies or English literature is the problem.

Exactly!!



"It was just four of us on the flight deck, trying to do our job" (Captain Al Haynes)
User currently offlineWarRI1 From United States of America, joined exactly 7 years ago today! , 8908 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3844 times:

Quoting flymia (Reply 13):
Occupy may call themselves the 99% but they are the not, most people do not understand them and want them to just stop their protest. Also their demands and ideas are crazy and are socialist and borderline communism at least compared to the system and values of the United States
http://news.yahoo.com/yorkers-suppor...treet-protests-poll-181907523.html



How come this says differently, this report is 6 hours old. Food and money pouring in. Notice who gets the biggest blame for our economic problems.

[Edited 2011-10-17 18:58:40]

[Edited 2011-10-17 18:59:07]


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User currently offlineYVRLTN From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 2469 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3831 times:

I saw them in YVR Saturday, the guy with the megaphone on the steps of the art gallery at the end of the parade was giving his speech with their "message" and every 5th word was bull#$%!amp;. That is not an exaggeration.

Yes, the government and Wall St do come up with plenty of BS, but in my mind any message littered with pointless gutter language & profanities should hardly make any one sit up and take note, certainly on the scale and at the level they are looking for, in fact it would rather reflect on the level of intelligence behind the message. I certainly would not hire someone who spoke like that in my office. Possibly, therein lies the problem...



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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7910 posts, RR: 51
Reply 16, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3817 times:

Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 14):
http://news.yahoo.com/yorkers-suppor...treet-protests-poll-181907523.html



How come this says differently, this report is 6 hours old. Food and money pouring in. Notice who gets the biggest blame for our economic problems.

But here is a problem:

"Sixty-seven percent of those who responded to a Quinnipiac University survey said they agreed with the Occupy Wall Street protesters, who are upset that banks were allowed to earn huge profits after being bailed out during the recession, while average Americans remained under financial strain."

Who defined that, OWS, or this poll? I'm not surprised that number is that high, in fact, many conservatives on this board agreed with the bold statement, but not OWS.

"An even wider margin, 87 percent, agreed with the protesters' right to camp out in Lower Manhattan, as long as they obeyed the law."

This is a basic right, I am not surprised it is 87%. I don't support OWS (for reasons I will list in a minute) but support their 'right' to do protest peacefully and legally.

"The largest block of voters, 37 percent, blamed former President George W. Bush's administration for the nation's economic problems, while 21 percent blamed banks. Seventy-three percent said they would support tougher government regulation."

This is surprising, IMO. It seems they don't know what caused it, IDK that is just my take.

My problem with OWS is the lack of organization. What do they want? They want "corporations to not be corrupt?" Well, I don't either, but that is so broad! They really need a clear, defined message. Why are the anti-war protests? Because of the spending/economy crash? Maybe, but that doesn't go hand-in-hand with OWS seems to be doing. Maybe if they had real goals, defined and realistic, not being a bunch of whiners but recognizing that there will always be richer people than them but they just want economic safeguards, maybe then I'd support them. I think Dreadnought is bringing up good points, ones that a majority would agree with I daresay. But until then, they are just a bunch of dirty protesters whining all around the country. I am trying to look at them in a more positive light since it was the other way around when the Tea Party started (before politics really mucked it up) but it's hard to take them seriously in this state.

[Edited 2011-10-17 19:29:02]


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User currently onlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15745 posts, RR: 27
Reply 17, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3773 times:

Quoting comorin (Thread starter):
Young people seem really concerned that they will not have job opportunities once they leave college.

If they spend their days holding a sign in the park they won't have to worry about having job opportunities. If only people spent as much time trying to become part of the evil "ruling class" as they did whining about it.

Quoting Zentraedi (Reply 3):
I do work at a large investment bank and people ARE genuinely afraid of government audits/crack downs.

I bet the Cayman Islands are nice this time of the year. More regulation could a be a gold mine for a smart foreign nation.

Quoting Mir (Reply 11):
If the Occupy Wall Street people can get some political action going and push an agenda of ethical business practices,

You can't regulate ethics. Trying will only water down profitability. When did making money become bad?

Quoting Mir (Reply 11):
and an end to big business and government being in bed with each other,

Where were these clowns for the GM bailout then?



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User currently offlineWarRI1 From United States of America, joined exactly 7 years ago today! , 8908 posts, RR: 10
Reply 18, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3773 times:

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 16):
My problem with OWS is the lack of organization. What do they want? They want "corporations to not be corrupt?" Well, I don't either, but that is so broad! They really need a clear, defined message. Why are the anti-war protests? Because of the spending/economy crash? Maybe, but that doesn't go hand-in-hand with OWS seems to be doing. Maybe if they had real goals, defined and realistic, not being a bunch of whiners but recognizing that there will always be richer people than them but they just want economic safeguards, maybe then I'd support them. I think Dreadnought is bringing up good points, ones that a majority would agree with I daresay. But until then, they are just a bunch of dirty protesters whining all around the country. I am trying to look at them in a more positive light since it was the other way around when the Tea Party started (before politics really mucked it up) but it's hard to take them seriously in this state.

It is a diverse group for sure, they do need organization, but they have a right to protest, they certainly are not wrong when they say that the system is screwed up, and corrupt. I would ask anyone who can disagree with those points, to please step forward, and deny. I think they have to focus on the most important issues to the common folks. No jobs, corruption of our congress through special interests, the corrupting by money/lobbying of the election process. Allowing banks to be too big to fail, and others too numerous to mention.



It is better to die on your feet, than live on your knees.
User currently offlinecomorin From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4896 posts, RR: 16
Reply 19, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 3758 times:

I'm just trying to report what I saw but like everyone else, I have my biases too!

There have been riots of late, like what happened in Vancouver and Seattle, where vandals and malcontents had their day. But this movement is different, a collection of people who are united by a disaffection for what they see around them. Their first step is to reach out to other like minded people, and then forge a manifesto and a plan of action. I find it intriguing that they have decided on a flat peer-to-peer organization versus a hierarchical structure, a Swarm in organizational terms.

The stated core belief is that they are part of the 99% who have been exploited by the system, and they want things to change in a major cultural way. At a cellular level, this is their micro objective. They are neither Left nor Right, discarded as irrelevant labels. It will be fascinating to see how they coalesce as a group and what their actions will be. I do think this movement is at an early and fragile level, and not self-sustaining as yet.

It is the 21st Century now, and the young have every right to have a say in what they want their lives to be. Much of this is utopian; but utopian is heartwarming, while pragmatism is not.

/ramble


User currently offlineWarRI1 From United States of America, joined exactly 7 years ago today! , 8908 posts, RR: 10
Reply 20, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3740 times:

Quoting comorin (Reply 19):
Quoting comorin (Reply 19):
It is the 21st Century now, and the young have every right to have a say in what they want their lives to be. Much of this is utopian; but utopian is heartwarming, while pragmatism is not.

As some would say, how dare they disrupt the system, I do not for sure, may they be successful with these protests to change this corrupt system. Utopian, maybe it is time. I think after watching 100 million dollar yachts, helicopters, submarines, mansions the people are fed up. Only a fool does not see the injustice, or someone wealthy.



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User currently offlineflymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7175 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3720 times:

Quoting WarRI1 (Reply 14):
How come this says differently, this report is 6 hours old. Food and money pouring in. Notice who gets the biggest blame for our economic problems.

I dont see the majority of the country. Interesting poll in two things. I did not think that many New Yorkers would agree with it but New York is a very liberal place. But still more than I would think. However blaming Bush for this? That could not be any more wrong and shows their political bias.

And 100% should agree with their right to protest.



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User currently offlinedxing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3720 times:

Quoting comorin (Thread starter):

SNiffffff.......Hey comorin.......you stink! Hit the showers will ya!      


User currently offlineJL418 From Italy, joined Jun 2009, 493 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3669 times:

Quoting Zentraedi (Reply 3):
I do work at a large investment bank and people ARE genuinely afraid of government audits/crack downs.

As it'd be. I'd happily get back to the separation between retail and investment bank plus a re-regulation of the S&L industry. Things like CDOs and subprime mortgages shouldn't have never happen.


User currently offlineStarAC17 From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 3380 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (2 years 11 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3621 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 17):
You can't regulate ethics. Trying will only water down profitability. When did making money become bad?

Then what is the point of having law and order in a society, I could probably make heaps of money as a hit-man but I have the moral standard not to do it. Not everyone

Yes you can and there are many laws out there to make sure that money is made without violating regulations, competition laws, labour laws and environmental laws etc. Even in a free market is like a sport we need a referee to see who isn't following the rules

Making money isn't bad ,it's necessary but does money have to be made at all cost?
I certainly don't think so and would rather have a healthy work-life balance and enjoy what I do for a living (when I figure that out) even if it ends up that I don't earn as much money as I could earn it wouldn't matter because I would be happy.
This is why the Danes are the happiest in the world because they stress the things in life that really do matter to a person, also this is why people who live in immense poverty are able to be as happy as they are.

Remember these quotes.

- When the last river is poisoned, when the last tree is dead, when the last fish is caught, it is then that we will realize....we can't eat money

- Friends are more important than money.



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25 Pyrex : So J.P Morgan is not allowed to bail out the Fed by agreeing at gunpoint to buy Bear Stearns, or Bank of America not allowed to screw over its own sh
26 Post contains images comorin : Oops: Just noticed I posted "Zanetti Park" instead of "Zucotti Park" -
27 Baroque : So which economics guru are you following? I suppose you realise that your concepts are dead against those of Adam Smith. So do tell.
28 Baroque : As for comorin smelling, he could be smelling victory, let us hope so. One of our protesters from Martin Place was interviewed this morning as he was
29 comorin : Thanks, my brother-in-arms! As they say: Personal Hygiene - so Mainstream! It is the business of the young to dream of a better world, and change it
30 Mir : Fine, if that's what it takes. Never said it did. -Mir
31 JL418 : First of all, I invite you to chill out. I'm sorry if I touched your nerves but I believe in arguing instead of shouting - and I believe in respecting
32 canoecarrier : This used to be called Liberty Plaza Park didn't it? I've heard a couple places this is a private park and the owners had asked the police to clear i
33 Charles79 : Thank you for sharing your first hand impressions, as with other similar events it is hard to get an accurate picture based solely on what the media
34 canoecarrier : Are the protests going to move south to Florida during the winter? I can't imagine them building snow forts and pitching tents in Liberty Plaza in mi
35 steeler83 : I'd be out there, too, but I do have a job -- a job that flat-out sucks both in terms of like/dislike and pay. I am fighting like crazy to find somet
36 n229nw : Nor are tea party. But as with the Tea Party, there is widespread support for many of the aims of this movement, and if they could leverage this supp
37 Pyrex : Who said anything about anti-americanism? On the contrary, I was mentioning that other countries, at least on that respect, seem to have a more sensi
38 2707200X : For one thing I am willing to defend the occupy movement. Despite some of the bucks that do some stupid things I think most of the the protests are ma
39 WarRI1 : Correct, but sadly not so, as we can see on here. No doubt, not everyone a bad person, just because they do not like being screwed over. What were th
40 Baroque : I suppose you know that Keynes and your hero Hayek were the best of friends and that Hayek sent his son to Keynes college to study - as it happens -
41 Pyrex : Sorry to disappoint you, but have no clue who Hayek is.
42 Post contains images comorin : Hi there. Yes, that used to be Liberty Plaza Park, surrounded by the Burger King, the old NYU Biz School etc. There was a statue of a man sitting on
43 Baroque : Why am I not that surprised. Friedrich von Hayek to use the name he preferrred was (Wiki) was an economist and philosopher best known for his defense
44 Post contains links and images comorin : You will all be glad to know that New York has opened its heart and our protesters are eating really well. The New York Post reports that Eric Smith,
45 Post contains links ModernArt : "I had my Mac stolen -- that was like $5,500. Every night, something else is gone." http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/m..._occupation_oh3CnKANUqYHrGP
46 comorin : Actually, these are thieves and pickpockets preying on the protesters. Unfortunately, at some time vandals and nihilists will also exploit these good
47 ModernArt : Who said anything about their college professors? Perhaps some down on their luck butlers can throw in their services as well.
48 Post contains links canoecarrier : They had an article in the Seattle paper yesterday about a hot dog vendor who set up shop next to the protester's camp here. The press is measuring t
49 JL418 : One Nobel laureate and one of the most influential thinkers of the last century... Yeah, what a pair. OK, I've tried to write it politely but I see t
50 Post contains images comorin : Occu-Pie!
51 Post contains images WarRI1 : Suddenly, I am not really liking this Hayek guy and his views. It must be something that I have read.
52 canoecarrier : Folks there's another thread about all this that's more political. Let's keep this one more fun? I think you need to go visit and give us an idea how
53 comorin : Good post, man. I'd like to keep this thread free from the usual single-minded zombie attacks. I know Wall Street from the inside and it has been ver
54 Baroque : There was a lot to the interaction between Hayek and Keynes. Also look at some who he taught (eg Galbraith) as well as those who followed rather narr
55 Pyrex : So were Yasser Arafat and Adolf Hitler, respectively. That doesn't make any of them worth following just on face value... "Too-big-to-fail" has nothi
56 Post contains links WarRI1 : http://www.economist.com/blogs/freee...2010/12/american_economic_policy_0 I certainly do not agree with Hayek. I do tend to get along with Larry
57 Post contains links and images KPDX : http://youtu.be/X6YDA52gkpg Like something out of the Colbert Report...
58 WarRI1 : The whole country is a laughing stock, while dealing with a no laughing matter economy. It would be funny, if it was not so tragic.
59 Post contains links comorin : Non-partisan update: OK guys, dissension is appearing in Occupy Wall Street as per New York Magazine. The incessant drumming is driving everybody nuts
60 canoecarrier : Interesting article. I did catch this part "And as I spoke to Michael Glaser, a 26-year-old Chicagoan helping lead winter preparation efforts, a phys
61 WarRI1 : With enough money and food, anything is possible. The can go to the net and use Price Line.Com to get a cheap rate, take turns using the rooms to war
62 comorin : Now that is going to be very interesting! It does get bitterly cold down there because of the west winds howling across the Hudson. However, NYC has
63 Baroque : Ah yes, but a different Larry. The Larry I referred to obviously knew about F Hayek's thoughts, but was pretty much with thee and me WarRI1. And ther
64 Post contains images comorin : OK, fickle public now more interested in "Hipster Cop" than OWS: We have a police officer in plain clothes who wears Ralph Lauren and Burberry ties an
65 mbmbos : I just had to laugh at this. When I was ten years old (1970) I had a Sunday School teacher who said, "Them hippies say they want peace. Well, they wa
66 Post contains links canoecarrier : They're getting food sent to them, and they have something like $500k in funds. That's a lot of showers downtown. Yes, but Hipster Cop is wise. From
67 Post contains links canoecarrier : They're getting food sent to them, and they have something like $500k in funds. That's a lot of showers downtown. Yes, but Hipster Cop is wise. From
68 Post contains images WarRI1 : That was an attempted fake out, obviously I substituted my Larry, because I could not find information about your Larry. [Edited 2011-10-21 22:13:06]
69 JHCRJ700 : THANK YOU!
70 Pyrex : My biggest gripe I have against them is that they seem to be demanding that most ethereal of things, a "job", as if it was their God-given right. I d
71 Post contains links WarRI1 : http://news.yahoo.com/americans-thin...-occupy-wall-street-152400361.html The movement is alive, it has fair support, read this article.
72 airtran737 : I went by there yesterday and I have to say that I am vindicated with my preconceived notion that it was going to be mainly dirty hippies, and the new
73 steeler83 : I do have a job. Grated it's not very high paying, but it does give me health insurance among other things. As good as it is having a job, the one I
74 2707200X : I guess the first amendment does not apply to those who you disagree with? Because we all know teachers, first responders and others are paid too muc
75 PSA53 : I agree 100% of what you're saying in both replies you noted of the protests.I do not and will not endorse any of these "fake" protests which seems t
76 WarRI1 : I agree, how do you propose that this is to be accomplished? Republican control of congress? Democratic control of congress? These people are at the
77 PSA53 : Some suggestions: 1) Never mind class action law suits.Those are a joke.Lawyers win-win.Nobody else. 2)Minimum wages are on workers.Now put them on C
78 BMI727 : As long as the corporation complies with minimum wage and labor laws, the government gets no say in the compensation of executives or any other emplo
79 Post contains links starbuk7 : This pretty much sums it all up! http://www.youtube.com/embed/OAOrT0O...on=3&rel=1&fs=1&showsearch=0&showi
80 Post contains images canoecarrier : Do you think they're ready for the snow forecast for this weekend yet
81 Post contains images steeler83 : I haven't seen such posters of racism, but if you've seen it then who am I to argue against it. That kind of crap I do not go for. Jewish people are
82 Post contains links and images PSA53 : http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/22/ny...-for-flashes-of-anti-semitism.html Here's a link to some of it.Local TV was showing a much wider scope in some
83 comorin : The NYPD and FD just swung by and removed space heaters and thirteen gasoline cans as they were worried about the tarps catching fire. Needless to sa
84 Post contains links comorin : Here is a clip about OWS energy usage and how they plan to build 11 bike-generators to sustain their needs: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPXBgZ1gAPs
85 ltbewr : Earlier tonight (Friday), from about 6:30 to 7:15 PM, I walked around and throught the NYC 'camp'. Some of my observations: While many of the people t
86 canoecarrier : There's absolutely no way 11 bike generators can heat that camp. The best they can hope for is power for a computer monitor, charging their phones or
87 comorin : True. From watts to kilowatts is a big jump. In other news, we have a big snowstorm hitting us this weekend in the Northeast. I do hope the protester
88 Post contains links and images canoecarrier : Apparently, they have a live webcam, so you don't have to walk by Occupy Wall Street anymore. Thank God, it's cold out there http://www.livestream.co
89 Post contains links PSA53 : I didn't see this posted as I brisked through the replies. Maybe these folks are the cause of it all and why there are problems in OAK. http://en.wiki
90 Post contains links Baroque : "Occupy" is now a recognised brand name, apparently doing quite good business. http://www.abc.net.au/iview/?series=3327486#/view/848787 By and large t
91 Post contains links and images flymia : Good Video. The protestors in Oakland are really staring to piss me off. They remind me of people just doing something to cause a problem. How about
92 Post contains links starbuk7 : And now they are making others of their "99%" lose their jobs. Restaurant Near Occupy Wall Street Lays Off 21 Employees http://www.huffingtonpost.com/
93 DeltaMD90 : Have they accomplished anything yet? I'm surprised the President and the democrats in congress haven't done anything to show them support (besides mer
94 flymia : That is the last thing they want. They want a free ride... More government hand outs. I don't see President Obama or any people going into elections
95 windy95 : Well the latest polls show the 99% to actually be the 30% of known lefties in this country..
96 Post contains images Dreadnought : That's nice - after they incited them over the past few years of Class Warfare rhetoric.
97 steeler83 : I saw something on CNN that really pissed me off. Anyone who thinks that people in their 20s (they mention 18-24 year olds, but I'm 28 and I fare no b
98 Post contains images DeltaMD90 : I thought OWS was against corporate greed and them entering into the political system, not unions and big government
99 steeler83 : They are... I'm just pointing out what is really wrong with our economy. Corporate greed is a problem; robbing from peoples' 401ks and the like just
100 DeltaMD90 : Well I've posted this several times, only to be ignored, but I honestly don't see the point in protesting where they are. Are the corporations going
101 okie : I am trying to figure out why you would think corporations are Charities. Since when has was Wall Street considered anything short of legalized gambl
102 DeltaMD90 : I'm planning on it being gone. When I retire at 85 or whatever the age will be way in the future, I'm gonna have my own money to fall back on. Just a
103 steeler83 : I'm not saying they are. If you saw what I posted before that, I'm saying that while corporate greed is an issue, it's not the biggest one affecting
104 Post contains images BMI727 : Corporate greed is not a problem, corporate greed is a solution. Newsflash: Recessions suck. If you think that you'll ever see money that you put in
105 steeler83 : Enlighten me on that one, when was it ever a solution? Yes, the idea of corporations having tons of money is so that they can use their own profts an
106 BMI727 : Ever since cave men realized that sharpening a stick would allow them to kill larger animals and get more food. It's all about return for the shareho
107 WarRI1 : Which has evolved into banks, and corporations using modern day schemes to fleece more and more people, while enriching/feeding your Hero's. Shall we
108 steeler83 : Yeah... those of use who can afford to have stock in a corporation... Sooo... that brings me back to the original question -- how is that a solution
109 WarRI1 : My words "Good example" in no way agreed with, or endorsed anything said in the other reply. We are getting screwed over. I hate to use such a crude
110 Post contains images BMI727 : Right, because it's not like any average people invest in stocks for their retirement or anything like that. The point is that all innovation is driv
111 jcs17 : As a friend of a few officers, NYPD officers are very scared to go down there and absolutely dread the assignment. They know every move of theirs is r
112 Post contains links and images KPDX : http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f5e_1320856929 We are the 99%, bro!
113 Stabilator : Just drove past Occupy Grand Forks. Roughly 20 college students. I wonder if they are aware that almost every restaurant in Grand Forks is looking for
114 Post contains links dreadnought : http://www.forbes.com/forbes-400/ The Forbes 400 issue lists the 400 richest people in the United States, the uber 1-percenters if you will. Just to m
115 WarRI1 : Yes, he is the 99%, he maybe a kook, but he is entitled to his opinion, his rage, his ability to speak, to demonstrate. Yes, he is the 99% bro. Deal
116 Post contains links and images dreadnought : Well, we are the 53%. http://the53.tumblr.com/
117 WarRI1 : Isn't Freedom of Speech, wonderfull? A great idea, for times like these, when the people who feel dis-enfranchised, screwed over, suppressed, outrage
118 Mika : It's sad how incredibly loaded and polarizing these words are to some right wing americans, still today. To the rest of the world the Soviet union fe
119 Post contains links PSA53 : The Wall St. protesters should move they're concerns to DC.I don't know if anyone of you saw it, but a great story on 60 mins. The story explains how,
120 Post contains images DeltaMD90 : The real crooks. Why do you think OWS has been mostly ignored by even the Democrats? Whether you support OWS or not, don't you think some politicians
121 canoecarrier : The Occupy Seattle folks moved from downtown Seattle a couple weeks ago to a local community college. At first some of the professors taught free clas
122 ltbewr : In the wee hours of Tuesday morning, Occupy Wall Street NYC in Zuucotti Park has been shut down. A massive police force came in cleaning out the park,
123 windy95 : Well if you actually looked at some of the groups that are participating in OWS you would see that they have the words communist and socialist in the
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