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Disgust And Outrage: Chinese Toddler Left To Die  
User currently offlineHOONS90 From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 2947 posts, RR: 53
Posted (2 years 6 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2467 times:
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http://ca.news.yahoo.com/outrage-ble...toddler-left-street-062238612.html

A video that shows a 2-year-old girl getting run over by not only one, but two large vehicles and left to die in a Chinese market while 17 people walked by without doing anything has caused quite an outrage across the world.

The video can be watched here (Warning: EXTREMELY graphic)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ys9DPhAMJr0

I almost threw up after seeing this video. No other video has ever made me sick to my stomach like this has.


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User currently offlineYokoTsuno From Singapore, joined Feb 2011, 345 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 6 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2429 times:

This incident was shown on TV here yesterday.

What baffles me most is that the video is not just a matter of hit an run. In fact it shows four aspects of human behavior which as a whole defy belief.

1) The first guy was aware of the hit and yet does not see an issue running over the toddler a second time.
2) Some of the by-passers don't even seem to notice the toddler, as if it was abandoned litter.
3) The second driver really seemed to believe it was litter as he just runs over the toddler. What's the big deal here.
4) The "good Samaritan" women grabs the heavily injured toddler and probably sealed the toddlers fate..

How does one explain this event?


User currently offlineKPDX From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 2690 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (2 years 6 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2369 times:

Not surprised at all here. Not one bit.


I'll get flamed for this most likely, but seeing people in that part of the world simply ignore people in dire need of help seems like a common occurrence. Almost all of the videos that show injured victims being ignored come from that part of the world unfortunately. Before you think I'm generalizing, there are hundreds of videos on Youtube and Liveleak that show this if you need proof. It's unfortunate because I know there are just as many great citizens out there..

Just sick. Brainless idiots.


Edit: Good article here that somewhat sums up the point I was trying to make.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news...rs-by/story-e6frg6so-1226169339307

The Communist Party's official newspaper, the People's Daily, subsequently conducted a poll that found that 80 per cent of people would not help an elderly person in the street for fear of extortion.

[Edited 2011-10-17 22:42:41]


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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7276 posts, RR: 52
Reply 3, posted (2 years 6 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2360 times:

Quoting KPDX (Reply 3):

I've observed the same thing, and I'm trying to avoid being general, as I am sure there are many from this part of the world that would indeed help. And if there is a correlation, I see it as a cultural thing and not a racial thing. I have some Chinese friends who lived in China, I'm going to ask them, maybe they have some insight on the kind of people that would ignore such a sad scene...



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User currently offlineKPDX From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 2690 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (2 years 6 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2358 times:

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 4):
I see it as a cultural thing and not a racial thing.

Absolutely. All cultures have their faults, but this is just baffling and disgusting.   



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User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 6900 posts, RR: 13
Reply 5, posted (2 years 6 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2343 times:

Quoting KPDX (Reply 3):
I'll get flamed for this most likely, but seeing people in that part of the world simply ignore people in dire need of help seems like a common occurrence.

Exactly - it is called Contagion Theory when applied to diminished responsibility in large crowds. China is of course just one big large crowd so it does make sense. When in an environment where there are fewer people there is increased responsibility on you personally to act in order to save an unknown individual, unfortunately its just basic group psychology. China is an extreme case, and so naturally you expect extreme examples of this behavior.


User currently offlinekiwiinoz From New Zealand, joined Oct 2005, 2165 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (2 years 6 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2317 times:

Quoting KPDX (Reply 3):
Before you think I'm generalizing, there are hundreds of videos on Youtube and Liveleak that show this if you need proof.

I'm not sure that youtube and liveleak can be relied upon as barometers of the human/cultural condition. By that reasoning, we could also conclude that most American's cannot locate Canada on a map, (the youtube videos are there to prove it!)

However, elements of your point hold true. As a person living and working in China, (sort of) this is an extreme case, but is not particularly surprising. I believe this is the result of 3 things:

1: The Contagion theory mentioned above
2: The fact that the typical citizens of China are not yet even close to any form of self-actualisation, which would result in some form of community spirit or at least care for fellow man, (remember Maslow's hierarchy of needs?)
3: Chinese culture values family as the ultimate, with everything else a very distant second. Hence the reason why they treat their own families better than almost all Western countries, but have very little concern for the wellbeing of those outside the family

Like any culture, it has it's good and bad points. This is an extreme representation of one of the bad points.


User currently offlineKPDX From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 2690 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (2 years 6 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2310 times:

Quoting kiwiinoz (Reply 7):
I'm not sure that youtube and liveleak can be relied upon as barometers of the human/cultural condition. By that reasoning, we could also conclude that most American's cannot locate Canada on a map, (the youtube videos are there to prove it!)

Well I see the point you are trying to make, and I agree to an extent, but comparing ignorance and stupidity to an authentic video of someone injured and in need of help is a bit extreme.. There is no doubting an injured/killed person on a video, unlike a group of people off the street being interviewed (who knows if they were cherry picked for the video?).



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10728 posts, RR: 38
Reply 8, posted (2 years 6 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2295 times:

Quoting HOONS90 (Thread starter):
A video that shows a 2-year-old girl getting run over by not only one, but two large vehicles and left to die in a Chinese market while 17 people walked by without doing anything has caused quite an outrage across the world.

I saw this on various news sites yesterday. True horror and cruelty.
Do people care about a human life anymore?

 



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User currently offlineQuokka From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (2 years 6 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2239 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 9):
Do people care about a human life anymore?

Sadly, when I read some of the threads in the forums, the numerous wars taking place and reports of cowardly attacks on the elderly it makes me wonder did they ever?

Yet in every bad situation there is always a glimmer of hope. While many people turned the other way, too busy with their own concerns, it was a rubbish collector who came to the child's aid. Those who looked the other way possibly consider themselves better and look down on the person who cleans the streets, but he showed more human worth.


User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 6641 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (2 years 6 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2232 times:

Quoting kiwiinoz (Reply 7):
2: The fact that the typical citizens of China are not yet even close to any form of self-actualisation, which would result in some form of community spirit or at least care for fellow man, (remember Maslow's hierarchy of needs?)

You can't just level this at people in China, a couple of weeks ago in Oslo a woman was raped on the steps of the Storting, people stood around, watched and posted videos of it on YouTube (now removed). Nobody helped her, people today don't want to help, they are generally to afraid of the repercussions.


User currently offlinecanoecarrier From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2828 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (2 years 6 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2078 times:

Quoting kiwiinoz (Reply 6):

MSNBC ran an interesting follow up on this story today
http://behindthewall.msnbc.msn.com/_...r-twice-and-no-one-helps?GT1=43001

They link to a recent accident where a Chinese woman fell in a tourist lake and an American woman jumped in to save her while everyone else watched.

Quoting Quokka (Reply 9):

Yet in every bad situation there is always a glimmer of hope. While many people turned the other way, too busy with their own concerns, it was a rubbish collector who came to the child's aid.

Good quote from the article above "Some news reports and online discussions made the point that civil behavior is not always rewarded in China. Many people fear they’re being subject to some sort of scam while others remember still a well-known case from 2006, when a man helped a woman who had fallen only to have her accuse him of causing the injury to begin with. She filed a suit against him, in which the judge ruled the man wouldn’t have come to her aid had he not caused the fall."



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User currently offlineMEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4264 posts, RR: 34
Reply 12, posted (2 years 6 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2055 times:

I was feeling totally disgusted reading this earlier today. But at least there is a bit of good news, the toddler is reported to be still alive although in critical condition in a hospital. I hope her survival will bring awareness and make the world and Chinese more caring.


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User currently offlinefoppishbum From Taiwan, joined Mar 2006, 788 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 6 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2052 times:

Textbook Bystander Effect.

[Edited 2011-10-18 11:46:37]


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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7276 posts, RR: 52
Reply 14, posted (2 years 6 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2031 times:

Quoting canoecarrier (Reply 11):
Good quote from the article above "Some news reports and online discussions made the point that civil behavior is not always rewarded in China. Many people fear they’re being subject to some sort of scam while others remember still a well-known case from 2006, when a man helped a woman who had fallen only to have her accuse him of causing the injury to begin with. She filed a suit against him, in which the judge ruled the man wouldn’t have come to her aid had he not caused the fall."

It answers some questions, but doesn't explain why the first would continue to run over the toddler. Or the 2nd truck for that matter. And I take back what I said about observing this bystander effect only in certain parts of the country--I've seen plenty of car crashes in the US and Europe where the cars after them simply slowly drive around and continue on their day! Who does that!? And it's not like there are emergency personnel on scene, this is right after the fact. I've responded to a couple accidents and know there usually isn't much you can do most the time, but I've at least been able to give a witness report to the officers who arrive...



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User currently offlinecanoecarrier From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2828 posts, RR: 12
Reply 15, posted (2 years 6 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2018 times:

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 14):
It answers some questions, but doesn't explain why the first would continue to run over the toddler. Or the 2nd truck for that matter.

Absolutely, no excuse for the driver's actions at all. And, a handful of bystanders I can understand but there were 17. I could also buy the explanation on some level if the person hit was 20 or 40 years old, and people were worried it was a scam but it's a 2 year old.

Unfortunately, this kind of behavior is everywhere. There's lots of stories where people are afraid to call 911 when their neighbor is being attacked here in the States or bystanders walking by someone injured on the street.

Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 12):
But at least there is a bit of good news, the toddler is reported to be still alive although in critical condition in a hospital. I hope her survival will bring awareness and make the world and Chinese more caring.

I hope for the best, but I'd be surprised if she lived in anything more than a vegetative state. Agree that hopefully something good will come out of it though.



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User currently offlineOzGlobal From France, joined Nov 2004, 2701 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (2 years 6 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2014 times:

Quoting KPDX (Reply 5):

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 4):
I see it as a cultural thing and not a racial thing.

Absolutely. All cultures have their faults, but this is just baffling and disgusting.
Quoting KPDX (Reply 3):

Not surprised at all here. Not one bit.


I'll get flamed for this most likely, but seeing people in that part of the world simply ignore people in dire need of help seems like a common occurrence.

Agreed. But have you seen todays BBC report on the epidemic of child deaths in the US through direct mistreatment, abuse and neglect by their own parents?

Quote:
Every five hours a child dies from abuse or neglect in the US.

The latest government figures show an estimated 1,770 children were killed as a result of maltreatment in 2009.

A recent congressional report concludes the real number could be nearer 2,500.

In fact, America has the worst child abuse record in the industrialised world.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-15288865



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User currently offlineFoxTwo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (2 years 6 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 1964 times:

Quoting YokoTsuno (Reply 1):
How does one explain this event?

Because China , is world no.1 when it comes to human rights, civil liberties, and above all common sense.

"Why would I help the victim if I had nothing to do with it"? The Chinese way.

Disgusting.


User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7276 posts, RR: 52
Reply 18, posted (2 years 6 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1924 times:

Quoting OzGlobal (Reply 16):
Agreed. But have you seen todays BBC report on the epidemic of child deaths in the US through direct mistreatment, abuse and neglect by their own parents?

While a huge, tragic problem, I see this as a completely different problem. With the child abuse, you can argue that there is a hatred developed against the child, but here, seeing a random child run over, these people don't even call for help?

The fact that some bystanders don't even look at the child as they pass is a huge red flag that there is something in their culture that we can't even comprehend. Either that, or he has seen so many run over children he doesn't even notice (which I am 99.99% sure it's not.) I could be the most heartless person there is, but I think I'd at least look down as I passed by...



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User currently offlinecanoecarrier From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2828 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (2 years 6 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1918 times:

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 18):

The fact that some bystanders don't even look at the child as they pass is a huge red flag that there is something in their culture that we can't even comprehend.

We have to keep in mind, they do live in a culture where they skin fish alive and throw them right in a frying pan. And that's not a joke. I'm pretty open minded when we compare one culture to another, but running over a 2 year old once, then realizing what you did and hitting the gas again doesn't fall into my realm of cultural understanding.



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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7276 posts, RR: 52
Reply 20, posted (2 years 6 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1904 times:

Quoting canoecarrier (Reply 19):
I'm pretty open minded when we compare one culture to another, but running over a 2 year old once, then realizing what you did and hitting the gas again doesn't fall into my realm of cultural understanding.

Oh, by all means, it is indeed inexcusable. But you do bring up a good point, pain and suffering often takes the backburner in China. Look up some PETA fur videos on China (no I'm not a PETA guy but I've seen their videos before.) They will skin mammals alive often, no sedatives, just an attempt to pound them unconscious. I even read that they hang dogs because they believe that the more pain and suffering the animal goes through, the better it tastes.

Now the question is, does this mentality extend to this toddler? Once again, I'm not trying to excuse the behavior, I'm just trying to understand their mentality.

Edit: the mentality of not caring about the pain of others, not about eating the toddler, sorry for the confusion

[Edited 2011-10-18 15:03:02]


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User currently offlineBabybus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (2 years 6 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1903 times:

How can you run over something and not get out to see what it was? Even if it was just to check for damage to the car.

Do they have emergency services in China? Maybe there was no one to call?

I think the Chinese have a very simple view of the world, you're either alive or dead. Guess they thought this little girl was just dead.


User currently offlinecanoecarrier From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2828 posts, RR: 12
Reply 22, posted (2 years 6 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1887 times:

Quoting Babybus (Reply 21):
Do they have emergency services in China? Maybe there was no one to call?

The Mrs. has been over there twice as a nurse. With the exception of Pakistan the medical system in China was the worse she'd seen. And, she's been all over the world.



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User currently offlinekiwiinoz From New Zealand, joined Oct 2005, 2165 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (2 years 6 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1833 times:

Quoting canoecarrier (Reply 19):
We have to keep in mind, they do live in a culture where they skin fish alive and throw them right in a frying pan.

Hmmm, that would be at the low end of the scale. If you ever want to feel queezy, watch turtle soup being prepared. Watching a shell get ripped off the back of a live turtle is not pleasant.


User currently onlineltbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 12878 posts, RR: 12
Reply 24, posted (2 years 6 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1823 times:

First of all, why was the toddler in the street? Where were her parents or others supposed to be watching her to prevent what happened or be there ASAP when she did get hit to get her help? Perhaps too, if they called the police, they would have lost the child to their social agencies.

I would suspect that the driver of the trucks or other vehicle were probably afraid to report it or turn themselves, fearful of being subject of violence or extortion by the police or a harsh penalty up to possible execution or at the least losing their licenses or their jobs. Of course, including right here in the USA, a driver with a criminal records or wanted for crimes or no insurance might leave the scene of such a situation.

I wonder that as this toddler was a girl and not a boy if that made a difference and reacted differently? China has a history and culture where girls were/are less desirable vs. boys, very much so in the '1-child' era.

One cannot forget that in much of the world, people might not have done anything either although in some places, people would be on their cell phones calling the police, protecting the child and others chasing after the vehicle. In some places a mob might have done some 'instant justice', beating up the drivers before the cops arrive.


25 zalemam : Reminds me of the video of the nigerian guy that was burned to death in a busy street for stealing gold, and people walked by like it was nothing...
26 DeltaMD90 : Well, even the best parents make mistakes, and sometimes it does result in a misfortune. You might be on to something, doesn't explain the 2nd truck
27 planewasted : It will not suprise me if China uses this case as a justification of death penalty. For the first driver.[Edited 2011-10-19 10:53:31]
28 AviRaider : Breaks my heart when I see that video. Where has compassion gone in this world?
29 Post contains links FoxTwo : I would not blame them if they executed the many who just looked at her and kept walking. Why? Because she died due to her injuries this morning. http
30 ronglimeng : Well, this is a pretty sad ending to the story. I have some connections with China and I know first hand that there is a callousness to others in Chin
31 geekydude : This is indeed an urgent problem, as I observe it, in the current Chinese society. There needs to be a "good Samaritan" law in place to protect peopl
32 777way : Publicly rewarding people who care would definitely help, need'nt be money or cars and houses, just things gadgets, household appliances, a months fre
33 Fly2HMO : I'm seeing too many nasty generalizations. I work with Chinese students on a daily basis. They are extremely warm, friendly, and caring. One of my stu
34 Post contains images DeltaMD90 : Some of my best friends in high school were Chinese (who actually immigrated only years before) and they were some of the nicest, caring people I kno
35 slider : Well, whilst it's already been established that there are group psychologies involved with this sort of thing, it's also important to note that this
36 aerorobnz : Rome included?? really?? They threw unwanted babies and children straight onto the rubbish midden, had ritual baby sacrifices to their Gods, massacre
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