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Obama Wrote Personal Cheqs To Struggling Americans  
User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5618 posts, RR: 51
Posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2507 times:

Well if Republicans won't like this story repeated across MSM airways... it's gonna drive Rush nuts!

Obama Has Written Personal Checks To Struggling Americans

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/1...ama-personal-checks_n_1019501.html

On more than one occasion, the president has cut personal checks to struggling Americans who've written to the White House, according to an excerpt from a new book by Washington Post reporter Eli Saslow about the ten letters the president reads every day.

"It's not something I should advertise, but it has happened," the president told Saslow.



But I must agree with one of the readers posting a comment...

Americans are a nasty bunch of people.. they'll find a way to attack this as well...

Let's see how spot on that fella is...

BN747

[Edited 2011-10-21 11:56:30]


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User currently offlineShyFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2469 times:

Quoting BN747 (Thread starter):
Let's see how spot n that fella is...

Well, when you stack the deck like that...

Anyway, if the President truly wanted to help people, he'd do it though his economic and social policies. We've seen how well those have worked for him.


Oh, wait, it's all Bush's fault. Obama is perfect. Any criticisms of him are just out of blind ignorance.  


I really want to see the personal stories from those he has sent checks. I feel those would be quite enlightening.


User currently offlinealoges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8707 posts, RR: 43
Reply 2, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2399 times:

Quoting ShyFlyer (Reply 1):
Anyway, if the President truly wanted to help people, he'd do it though his economic and social policies. We've seen how well those have worked for him.

Oh, wait, it's all Bush's fault. Obama is perfect. Any criticisms of him are just out of blind ignorance.

Pretty good start, however you forgot to insert the token "communist".  



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User currently offlineShyFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2372 times:

Quoting aloges (Reply 2):
you forgot to insert the token "communist".

Not my style.


User currently offlineeinsteinboricua From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2010, 3124 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2359 times:

Quoting ShyFlyer (Reply 1):
Anyway, if the President truly wanted to help people, he'd do it though his economic and social policies.

Well, there's affordable healthcare...oh wait. That's socialist. That's why the GOP was elected, so that people pay more for healthcare and other stuff.

Let's see...there's the ARRA...oh wait...that's socialist too. That's why the GOP was elected, because people don't want money.

Well, there's the Jobs bill...oh wait, that too is socialist, and was filibustered by the GOP. Yeah, people elected them to make sure no jobs are created.

Hm...what else?

Quoting ShyFlyer (Reply 1):
Oh, wait, it's all Bush's fault. Obama is perfect. Any criticisms of him are just out of blind ignorance.

Credit where credit is due. Obama is not perfect, but then again he didn't cause the economic downturn that resulted in the unemployment rate skyrocketing. We all want unemployment to drop to -10% (as in, plenty of jobs for everyone) and an economy running again, but not everything is ideal in the world. At least I'm satisfied with the economic downturn contained. Better to have a sluggish, slightly growing economy than a full blown out recession (though our new friends at Capitol Hill seem to think otherwise).



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User currently offlineShyFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2328 times:

Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 4):
there's affordable healthcare

Where? If "Obamacare" were truely about "affordable" health care, there wouldn't be the need for waivers. I'm all for affordable healthcare, most people are, but that affordability is not going to be legislated into place by any administration.

Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 4):
there's the ARRA

Yep, spent a lot of money and did exactly squat to stimulate the economy.

Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 4):
there's the Jobs bill

Spend a lot more money, that isn't there, to "save" jobs that can't be sustained in reality.

Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 4):
Obama is not perfect, but then again he didn't cause the economic downturn that resulted in the unemployment rate skyrocketing.

But he is the man in "the hot seat" now. It's his ball game and nothing has improved.


User currently offlineeinsteinboricua From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2010, 3124 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2322 times:

Quoting ShyFlyer (Reply 5):
It's his ball game and nothing has improved.

Would you prefer the uncontained downturn we had a couple of years ago?



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User currently onlineKPDX From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 2766 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2321 times:

What a sweetheart....


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User currently offlineShyFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2284 times:

Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 6):
Would you prefer the uncontained downturn we had a couple of years ago?

Don't put words in my mouth.


User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7919 posts, RR: 52
Reply 9, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2273 times:

Well this is a very nice thing to do. And I'm glad it wasn't blatantly thrown out there (unless he planned this all along, but I'm not a fan of conspiracy theories.) Whether or not you like his policies, it's hard to say that this was a bad,evil move


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User currently offlinedxing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2265 times:

Quoting BN747 (Thread starter):
Obama Has Written Personal Checks To Struggling Americans

What he does with his own money is his business.

Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 4):
Well, there's affordable healthcare...oh wait

Well a big chunk of that was abandoned last week due to a lack of interest (CLASS Act). A shame he didn't spend some time promoting that part of it since that actually is a place where people could stand to have some insurance.

Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 4):
Let's see...there's the ARRA...

Let's see, unemployment still well above 8%, teachers, police and firefighters that were helped are in danger of being let go again due to a lack of funds so we get:

Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 4):
Well, there's the Jobs bill...

Which sends more money to the States to retain those same teachers, police, and firefighters. Refresh my memory, how long did it take the President to find a gullible soul in either house of Congress to actually introduce the bill for consideration?

Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 4):
Better to have a sluggish, slightly growing economy

Better to have a vibrant recovery but it won't happen with this bunch in charge.


User currently offlineeinsteinboricua From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2010, 3124 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2243 times:

Quoting ShyFlyer (Reply 8):
Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 6):
Would you prefer the uncontained downturn we had a couple of years ago?

Don't put words in my mouth.

Did I say you said that? You are criticizing Obama and saying nothing has improved. I ask you: would you prefer the uncontained downturn? Because if you don't think that at least stabilizing job losses and the economy (not so much that it's going full power but neither that it continues to go downward) is not improvement, then you and I live in opposite universes. We could be better, but I'm just glad we're not worse.

Let's look at it from another perspective: a ship is taking in water. The captain manages to plug the hole, though there's still a slight leak. Would you prefer that the hole be unplugged, taking in water, or would you prefer that small leak?



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User currently offlineslider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6818 posts, RR: 34
Reply 12, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2235 times:

Quoting BN747 (Thread starter):
Americans are a nasty bunch of people.. they'll find a way to attack this as well...

Obama's wasting his time and money...the unions can write those checks. His rich Hollywood libs can write them, Warren Buffett can write them, Soros can write them....

OR.....

MAYBE....

Wait for it...

HE could get out of the way of the American people by having policies that enable this need to dissolve.


User currently offlineShyFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2224 times:

Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 11):
You are criticizing Obama and saying nothing has improved.

Correct.

Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 11):
would you prefer the uncontained downturn?

Yeah, because that was absolutely the only alternative.  

Look, sometimes to learn a lesson one needs to fall flat on their face. Doing so teaches us to watch our step. The bailouts and stimulus didn't do that. Instead of falling flat on our faces, we got saved. The end result? We still haven't learned to watch our step. We (the US as a whole) will face plant. Only when it does happen, the results will far, far worse. Largely because we still believe that spending money we don't have and implementing "feel good" programs will solve our woes.


User currently offlineslider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6818 posts, RR: 34
Reply 14, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2217 times:

Quoting ShyFlyer (Reply 13):
Look, sometimes to learn a lesson one needs to fall flat on their face. Doing so teaches us to watch our step. The bailouts and stimulus didn't do that. Instead of falling flat on our faces, we got saved. The end result? We still haven't learned to watch our step. We (the US as a whole) will face plant. Only when it does happen, the results will far, far worse. Largely because we still believe that spending money we don't have and implementing "feel good" programs will solve our woes.

Quoting for reinforcement. Spot on, AMEN!

And another thing--Obama won't find much sympathy with this martyr routine. If anyone thinks this was not contrived, they're terribly naive.


User currently offlinecanoecarrier From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2839 posts, RR: 12
Reply 15, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2213 times:

Quoting BN747 (Thread starter):
On more than one occasion, the president has cut personal checks to struggling Americans who've written to the White House, according to an excerpt from a new book by Washington Post reporter Eli Saslow about the ten letters the president reads every day.

"It's not something I should advertise, but it has happened," the president told Saslow.

Reagan did it, quite often in fact. It's just that it wasn't publicized until his biography came out. One time someone didn't cash the check and he called them himself to find out why. They had framed the check and didn't plan to cash it. He wrote out another one to them.



The beatings will continue until morale improves
User currently offlineTheCommodore From Australia, joined Dec 2007, 2874 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2180 times:

Quoting ShyFlyer (Reply 5):
It's his ball game and nothing has improved.

Wouldn't it be nice if there was a little bipartisan activity occurring.Then perhaps things might improve, just might.

That's the way to achieve things....

Like health care for all.

Quoting dxing (Reply 10):
Better to have a vibrant recovery but it won't happen with this bunch in charge.

And you think the "other" lot would do a better job...... yeah right, just like last time.... right?



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User currently offlinedxing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2176 times:

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 16):
And you think the "other" lot would do a better job...... yeah right, just like last time.... right?

Yep, just like last time, and the time before that, and the time before that. Niether Presidents Bush 43, Clinton, or Reagan saddled the American business community with so much regulation and fiscal uncertainty as President Obama has. As a result this is the worst recovery since the Great Depression.


User currently offlineTheCommodore From Australia, joined Dec 2007, 2874 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2155 times:

Quoting dxing (Reply 17):
Yep, just like last time, and the time before that, and the time before that. Niether Presidents Bush 43, Clinton, or Reagan saddled the American business community with so much regulation and fiscal uncertainty as President Obama has. As a result this is the worst recovery since the Great Depression.

And why is this, because he's trying to clean up past messes.

Nobody has a crystal ball here. Different approaches have to be tried, some will work and others wont. But there has been decades of mismanagement from one Gov to the next. This will not be fixed by any magic panacea, nor will it be fixed over night, it will take decades to climb out of this hole. Same for Europe.

Quoting dxing (Reply 17):
As a result this is the worst recovery since the Great Depression.

I wouldn't call it a recovery just yet.... there is a long way to got before I'd use that word.



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User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5618 posts, RR: 51
Reply 19, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2146 times:

Quoting canoecarrier (Reply 15):
Reagan did it, quite often in fact. It's just that it wasn't publicized until his biography came out. One time someone didn't cash the check and he called them himself to find out why. They had framed the check and didn't plan to cash it. He wrote out another one to them.

Did he? You're right...it's all here


Very interesting.. let's try this show below on another foot and see how it fits - I've emboldened the change..

Quoting slider (Reply 12):
Reagan's wasting his time and money...the unions can write those checks. His rich Hollywood libs can write them, Walter Annenberg can write them, Fred Hartley can write them....

OR.....

MAYBE....

Wait for it...

HE could get out of the way of the American people by having policies that enable this need to dissolve.

..hmmm bet you can't get the hate bunch to agree to that statement for second in the face of Reaganomics..

Reaganomics? Feel good gimmicks you say...the conditions then then

New Gilded Age The original Gilded Age was corrupt and gave the rich goods and services, while the poor went hungry. The gold gild described by author Mark Twain was the apparent wealth of society, while the core of society was dark and corrupt. Reagan's Gilded Age gave the same appearance of wealth, but the realty didn't match Reagan and his supporters vision of greatness.

Fact: Wages for the middle class went down under Reagan's terms in office.
Fact: Homeownership fell during both terms.
Fact: The number of people in the upper class rose, while the number joining the poverty class of poverty.
Fact: Real income fell during the Reagan Administration


Conditions as bad if not worse than today..

Notice .. no addressing the plight of people who need help right now... just go after Obama are the marching orders and boy do they march, but here's one with the 'piss on them all' approach..

Quoting ShyFlyer (Reply 13):
Look, sometimes to learn a lesson one needs to fall flat on their face. Doing so teaches us to watch our step. The bailouts and stimulus didn't do that. Instead of falling flat on our faces, we got saved. The end result? We still haven't learned to watch our step. We (the US as a whole) will face plant. Only when it does happen, the results will far, far worse. Largely because we still believe that spending money we don't have and implementing "feel good" programs will solve our woes.

Yeah, listen to this guy...stumble out of being a superpower and just get back up... no sweat! Countries do it all the time.

Yeah, run a country like you raise you child. Read the Reagan link, a paragraph above his writing checks part it ..says that's exactly the approach Reagan took with his kids while writing those checks to the needy... and look at how his kids turned - several Lindsey Lohans under one roof. There's a working formula if I ever saw one.


BN747



"Home of the Brave, made by the Slaves..Land of the Free, if you look like me.." T. Jefferson
User currently offlinedxing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2138 times:

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 18):
And why is this, because he's trying to clean up past messes.

And doing an extremly poor job of it. Part of the problem is the people he chooses to help manage the clean up. Part of it is his idea of what constitutes "fairness".

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 18):
Nobody has a crystal ball here.

Most definitely not this President or any of his economic advisors.

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 18):
Different approaches have to be tried, some will work and others wont.

Why in the world would you try an re-invent the wheel?

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 18):
nor will it be fixed over night

It's been 2 1/2 years. Even the one in the 80's that rivaled this one did not take as long to show signs of solid recovery.


User currently offlineeinsteinboricua From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2010, 3124 posts, RR: 8
Reply 21, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2131 times:

Quoting dxing (Reply 20):
Why in the world would you try an re-invent the wheel?

Because apparently the "wheel" we have right now is not working and people don't want patches for it to work.



"You haven't seen a tree until you've seen its shadow from the sky."
User currently offlinedxing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2120 times:

Quoting TheCommodore (Reply 18):
I wouldn't call it a recovery just yet.... there is a long way to got before I'd use that word.


That's just it, it shouldn't be a long way to go. It should already be under way has it has in the past. The problem is government that is in the way instead of making way.

Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 21):
Because apparently the "wheel" we have right now is not working and people don't want patches for it to work


All the more reason to re-examine the 1986 tax deal as well as freeing up businesses from the threat of increased government costs and bureaucracy.


User currently offlinedxing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2120 times:

I wonder if any of those checks have been to the IRS? Since he makes well above the level at which he considers "rich" it would only be right for him to send some more to the IRS.

User currently offlinecanoecarrier From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2839 posts, RR: 12
Reply 24, posted (2 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2108 times:

Quoting BN747 (Reply 19):
Very interesting.. let's try this show below on another foot and see how it fits - I've emboldened the change..

I don't think I'd go so far and put words in other people's mouths.

Quoting BN747 (Reply 19):
Reaganomics? Feel good gimmicks you say...the conditions then then

I only only pointing out that Obama isn't the first president that's done it, and likely won't be the last. Every president contributes to charity in one form or another. Even GHWB and Clinton work together in various charitable organizations.

If your thread is about the president writing personal checks to people, then don't make it about Reagan's policies/politics because that has nothing to do with a $50 check someone got from Obama.

[Edited 2011-10-21 16:11:16]


The beatings will continue until morale improves
25 BN747 : The point - since it flew over your head is - you have two presidents, doing the same things in the same economic conditions and one is being assaile
26 ShyFlyer : Sigh. Spending money we do not have will not allow us to maintain our superpower status either. If we step down for a bit, the world will keep spinni
27 TheCommodore : What all of them, I'm sorry but I cant believe they are ALL terrible. And probably not ANY president, wherever he/she might be in the world. These ar
28 Post contains links Dreadnought : Obama writes some checks to people who need it. Kudos to him for doing that. Boos to him for tooting his own horn about it. Now if we can only stop hi
29 Mir : Eh, it's part of a book (one line, really) with a specific and relevant subject - can't really fault him for admitting it. It's not like he's holding
30 FoxTwo : Something tells me ... that if Obama could cure HIV , you would attack him for not curing Cancer . For some people, there is no win. Can someone plea
31 AustinAllison : Hypocrisy at it's best.
32 FoxTwo : You don't know me - and I have never expressed any views on that matter. Ignorance at its best.
33 Post contains links and images Superfly : So now I see what this lady meant when she said Obama was going to pay for her gas and mortgage. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P36x8rTb3jI Perhaps yo
34 BN747 : If only you knew... I'm way ahead of that of that line of thought (and faulty perception).. I'm very aware of how ruthless many societies on the plan
35 wn700driver : No more or less contrived then writing letters to parents of dead soldiers. Looking good is part of the game, and this is just how he wants to do it.
36 TheCommodore : I agree with you pretty much Unfortunately for Obama, I think what should have happened or the way it should have played out is, as you Americans mig
37 Centre : I have one problem with Mr. Obama: He is NOT Enough Liberal and Social.
38 Post contains links dxing : It's not that they are "terrible", the problem is experience. A fair amount of these advisors come from academia and have no real world experience. I
39 connies4ever : Which included raising taxes when it was pointed out that raising spending and lowering taxes was not working.
40 BN747 : My reply #34 was made after getting in from a night out..and not the best moment to not give pause before knocking out a few keystrokes..but to elabo
41 Post contains images Superfly : Relax. Even though I've been critical of President Obama recently, I still commend him for his generosity. I was just having a little fun taking a fe
42 einsteinboricua : I can see others actually criticizing him for giving speeches and earning money from them...you know...the usual attacks at all former US presidents.
43 dxing : Which inclued lowering rates in 1982 with an adjustment in 1983 and a total revamp which lowered rates and eliminated loopholes in 1986. In addition,
44 BN747 : If you're into counting what's in peoples wallets..I guess that's of some importance.. Giving his time as a 'Community Organizer' is indicative of hi
45 dxing : Stupider? President Obama's problem with re-election is that he either has to run on his record, or run a solidly negative campaign. Neither option i
46 ShyFlyer : You would be wrong in your assessment.
47 BN747 : In Cain's case..yes, dumber is far too mild. The economy could be right where it is today..and he'd beat any of those running right now. Or next year
48 wn700driver : Ah, but haven't you just hit on something there? "Feel good" as you say, is Huge to any presidential hopeful. The President has less authority then p
49 canoecarrier : If that's your answer I can only wonder how you felt when the Cheney's gave $6,869,655 to several charities in 2006? So, do you revere Cheney for giv
50 BN747 : True, but my reply wasn't belittling the 'feel good' strategy, Dxing was doing that and I was responding to him in saying that's what his hero Reagan
51 dxing : California dreamin anyone? Because he actually accomplished something. By the time of the '84 election unemployment had come down from over 10% to 7.
52 Post contains images Superfly : Agreed. I'll be fair & balanced on my critique of Obama. He hasn't been all bad but mostly bad. I commend all charitable donations even if its by
53 bluewhale18210 : None of which had to deal the crisis that has not been seen since 1929 and threatened to destroy the dollar at the very basic level. Look. I HATE to
54 dxing : Disagree. We've been through this before. The recession of '81-'83 saw just as bad a housing slump as this past one, unemployment was higher, jobs we
55 bluewhale18210 : It's not just a housing slump. If it were that simple then no bailout should be necessary. It is the derivative financial product, the Collateralized
56 BMI727 : It's a big deal, and it is painful without a doubt. But that doesn't mean that it shouldn't be allowed to happen. Big companies rarely just vanish, a
57 BN747 : 1 - They are attacking Obama for it just as they are attacking him for anything he does literally..read/search any of posts by the critics here on an
58 dxing : The same could be said about all investment. When you buy stock in a company there is no guarantee the company won't go belly up and chances are they
59 BN747 : Totally false! Carter's slashing of defense spending and across the board had slashed spending dramatically..check it again champ. You need to correc
60 wn700driver : How in the hell is Romney less appealing then Bachman or Perry? Not saying I like him, but there are still a lot of crazies in that pool. Hmmmm... Wh
61 Post contains images Superfly : ...and for good reason! I've criticized just about everything George W Bush did as President as well. You and I both in these forums and that is well
62 Baroque : I have to admit I too might be tempted to frame any personal cheque from a POTUS. Amazing the hostility that acts of charity can attract from the hat
63 BN747 : Ummmm.. that comment.. Was directed at all the 'supporters' at George W Bush's military campaigns.. who now suddenly have a problem with 'military ca
64 Baroque : Odds on they mention we did it unto him we will do it unto thee too! That should concentrate any potential Ayatollah's mind, in any case the wrong ty
65 Superfly : Nothing taken out of context. I made my point very clear and I'll say it again. Obama is just as bad as Dubya even though they are on different ends
66 Post contains links dxing : ???? Here are a couple of links that debunk that notion. Click the 2nd link in section one http://www.gpoaccess.gov/usbudget/fy08/hist.html Just scro
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