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Twin Cities Woman Convicted, Won't Rise For Judge  
User currently offlineAirstud From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2628 posts, RR: 3
Posted (2 years 8 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 1531 times:

From an article in yesterday's St. Paul Pioneer Press.

Amina Farah Ali, convicted of raising funds for terrorist group al-Shabaab, is on a hunger strike because the Sherburne County jail won't permit her to wear her Muslim head scarf. Apparently her "religious customs are not being accommodated."

Here's the thing: U.S. District Judge Michael Davis held her in contempt of court "for refusing to stand each time court convened and recessed. She said a passage in haddith, the collected sayings of the Prophet Muhammad, included a story of how the prophet told a group they needn't stand when they greet him. Ali told Davis that if she wouldn't have to rise for Muhammad, she didn't have to stand when court was convened."

After two nights in jail, she complained that jailers hadn't allowed her to observe her religious customs.

Yes ma'am, we can tell how important it is to you that customs be observed...  


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User currently offlineEDICHC From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (2 years 8 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 1479 times:

Quoting Airstud (Thread starter):
After two nights in jail, she complained that jailers hadn't allowed her to observe her religious customs.

Yes ma'am, we can tell how important it is to you that customs be observed...

I see the irony there, she does kind of defeat her own argument.


In a wider sense though, I do see a valid point here. Judges are public servants, nothing more nothing less. Added to this they are lucky in that they are far less accountable than the majority of public servants.

I work in the public sector, I do not expect people to stand up ceremoniously for me. so aside from this specific case i say to these Judges in general, get off your ego trips.


User currently offlineAirstud From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2628 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 1330 times:

Quoting EDICHC (Reply 1):
I say to these Judges in general, get off your ego trips.

Well I don't know if the custom is about rising for the judge; I think the custom of rising is to respect that the judicial process is commencing.



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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15714 posts, RR: 26
Reply 3, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 1317 times:

Quoting EDICHC (Reply 1):
Judges are public servants, nothing more nothing less. Added to this they are lucky in that they are far less accountable than the majority of public servants.

It isn't about respect for the judge, it's about respect for the system.



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User currently offlinevarigb707 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1289 times:

Ihttp://youtu.be/2bqDCfof4FQ

This thread made think of this song, from the The Ramones....I'm not advocating violence though. I'm just saying...


User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11199 posts, RR: 52
Reply 5, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1276 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 3):
It isn't about respect for the judge, it's about respect for the system.

Exactly.

This is not an "ego trip." This is requiring EVERYONE, including the lawyers and their clients, to realize that in this room, the courtroom, all of them are subordinate to the court, represented by the Judge.



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User currently offlinesccutler From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 5487 posts, RR: 28
Reply 6, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1209 times:

Quoting D L X (Reply 5):

This is not an "ego trip." This is requiring EVERYONE, including the lawyers and their clients, to realize that in this room, the courtroom, all of them are subordinate to the court, represented by the Judge.

All true.

In many courts in which I have appeared, the judge will rise when the empaneled jury enters or leaves the room, showing concomitant respect for the jury's vital role.



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User currently onlineCPH-R From Denmark, joined May 2001, 5977 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 1125 times:

At least it wasn't one of those Freemen/Sovereign citizens, whose nutjob theories claims that entering the "Dock" puts them under maritime law(!). All because of the "Berth" certificate (yes, that's how they claim it's supposed to be spelled) you're handed when born, which makes them a ship(!) - and thus not a subject of man's law.

Edit: Of course, not that religious nutjobbery is much better..  Yeah sure

[Edited 2011-10-30 06:28:45]

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