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Toyota GT86 Sports Car Launched At Tokyo Auto Show  
User currently offlinestasisLAX From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3283 posts, RR: 6
Posted (2 years 10 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2387 times:

2013 Toyota GT 86


Called for over a year the "Subayota" sports car by the worldwide auto press, this much anticipated car has come out of a engineering collaboration between Toyota and Subaru. This itself made possible since Toyota acquired a 9 percent share in Subaru's parent company (Fuji Heavy Industries) after that share amount became available as a result of the General Motors bankruptcy (does anyone remember the ill-fated "Saabura" wagon that was a sold by Saab, which was really a Subaru WRX wagon?)

The most obvious Subaru influence is the 2.0-liter 197 horsepower "boxer" engine powering the GT 86. The engire is the work of Subura's engineers. However, to improve efficiency and performance, it has been given Toyota’s DS-4 direct and port injection technology. The power plant is mated to a 6-speed manual or automatic transmission. It has a 53:47 front-to-rear weight distribution and weighs just under 2700 pounds.

2013 Toyota GT 86


The GT 86 will be the first sports car marketed by Toyota since the death of the MR2 mid-engined 2 seater. Subura will also market a version of this four-seat coupe, called (in North America) the BRZ.

Toyota executives describe the GT 86 as a car that has been “designed by passion not by committee.” I truly wish that Toyota would do the same thing with the rest of its bland North American model line-up - it's Camry and Corolla line especially. At any rate, this lightweight vehicle is designed as a driver's car, with minimal electronic nannies (no electronic stability control, lane-departure detection, and so on) to spoil the driver's fun.

The GT 86 will be sold in the United States as the Scion FR-S (does this stand for "FutuRe Supra"?) Look for it to go on sale here early next year after being formally unveiled at the North American International Auto Show in Detroit with a rumored sticker on the Scion to start around $20,000 USD.

Source: http://www.autoblog.com/2011/11/26/e...ts-car-revealed-arrives-june-2012/

[Edited 2011-11-30 19:54:16]

[Edited 2011-11-30 20:01:47]


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User currently offlineAcheron From Spain, joined Sep 2005, 1668 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (2 years 10 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2370 times:

Looks like the bastard child of a Nissan 350/370 and a Celica with some Mazda in it for good measure.

User currently offlineNewark727 From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 1364 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 10 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2356 times:

Styling is so-so, mechanicals sound good, give them proper names please, I'm getting tired of the alphanumeric gobbleldygook.

User currently offlinestasisLAX From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3283 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (2 years 10 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2352 times:

Quoting Newark727 (Reply 2):
give them proper names please, I'm getting tired of the alphanumeric gobbleldygook.

Completely agree!!

Toyota should simply call it a "Celica" and be done with it. And perhaps call the turbocharged version that is almost certain to follow the "Supra".....

[Edited 2011-11-30 20:51:05]


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User currently offlineMrChips From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 932 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 10 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2286 times:

The GT 86 name is a throwback to the Corolla AE86, a RWD hatchback popular with tofu delivery drivers everywhere.

As for me, I'll take mine as a BRZ, in WRC blue with gold wheels.



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User currently offlineMolykote From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1340 posts, RR: 29
Reply 5, posted (2 years 10 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2254 times:
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Am I a bad person if the "Scion" branding is the only obstacle to this being my next car?


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User currently offlinedreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8847 posts, RR: 24
Reply 6, posted (2 years 10 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2241 times:

Quoting Molykote (Reply 5):
Am I a bad person if the "Scion" branding is the only obstacle to this being my next car?

Scion has the image of being a cheap plastic Toyota. it was originally supposed to be the "cool, querky, inexpensive" brand, but I think Toyota didn't get it right. They did a great job with Lexus.

This car looks like a nice but inexpensive sports car. A nice bottom-of-the-range car for Toyota, but too mainstream for Scion, IMHO.



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User currently offlineEGGD From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 12443 posts, RR: 35
Reply 7, posted (2 years 10 months 5 days ago) and read 2211 times:

I think it looks good, which is surprising considering the rest of the current Toyota range. The first reports here in the UK suggest it is reasonable to drive as well, which again is a surprise. I wonder how much of this comes down to the development input from Subaru. I'm not sure on the pricing here though as if it is to be around £28,000 I'm pretty sure that will put it within the realm of more exotic, better performing metal.

User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8300 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (2 years 10 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2185 times:

It reminds me of the wife's Mazda MX-3 that we sold a short time ago.

It's a nice design overall it if is like the MX-3, but $20K should be the top end. Starting at $20K shows why Kia and Hyundai are doing so well.


User currently offlineha763 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 3661 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (2 years 10 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2162 times:
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Quoting stasisLAX (Reply 3):
Toyota should simply call it a "Celica" and be done with it. And perhaps call the turbocharged version that is almost certain to follow the "Supra".....

This car would be a Supra, not a Celica. The Scion tC is a Celica.

Quoting dreadnought (Reply 6):
Scion has the image of being a cheap plastic Toyota. it was originally supposed to be the "cool, querky, inexpensive" brand, but I think Toyota didn't get it right.

The only thing Toyota really missed is the cool part. Scions do have rather quirky designs and are rather inexpensive. Toyota geared the Scion brand to a younger market, but tons of older people are buying Scions for their own use. It is hard to portray the brand as cool when you see older adults buying and driving xBs and tCs.


User currently offlinestasisLAX From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3283 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (2 years 10 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2132 times:

Quoting Molykote (Reply 5):
Am I a bad person if the "Scion" branding is the only obstacle to this being my next car?

Not at all, I was thinking the same thing when I learned Toyota was branding this sports car as a Scion. Scion is a wanna-be brand, a brand for wanna-be hipsters and older buyers trying to latch onto a "youth" oriented brand. The xA is a cheap lousy car, the xB (now xD) is a fat ugly box, and the tC is seen largely as a "chick" car, like the VW Eos or Beetle.



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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15749 posts, RR: 27
Reply 11, posted (2 years 10 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2107 times:

Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter):
The GT 86 will be sold in the United States as the Scion FR-S (does this stand for "FutuRe Supra"?)

This is exactly what Scion should have been the entire time rather than screwing around with that econobox crap. Toyota got this one right.

Quoting MrChips (Reply 4):
As for me, I'll take mine as a BRZ, in WRC blue with gold wheels.

Those, while a trademark, are also an abomination.

Quoting ha763 (Reply 9):
This car would be a Supra, not a Celica.

I don't even think that. This is a nice new model to be sure, and I'm sure someone will give it more power, which would make it downright amazing. That said, I think that if this model is successful, Toyota should add a real new Supra to their lineup above the FR-S to compete with the Mustang, Camaro, and Nissan Z, perhaps based on a cut down Lexus IS platform and mechanicals. Toyota can make decent cars when they try, they just don't try that often.



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User currently offlinestasisLAX From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3283 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (2 years 10 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2104 times:

Quoting dreadnought (Reply 6):
A nice bottom-of-the-range car for Toyota, but too mainstream for Scion, IMHO.

Scion was instant hit here in America, but quickly faded into the background. The original Xbox was considered cool by younger buyers, but the current generation Xd that replaced the Xb is boring and (in my opionion) ugly. The Xa has never been very popular and the tC is generally seen as a "chick" car... when I lived in southern California, the drivers of the tC were generally overweight young women.



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User currently offlinedahawaiian From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 229 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 10 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2102 times:

I'm sure there will be a turbo version of this in a year or two. Give it 300hp and that thing will be rocket considering its sub-3000lb curb weight. Not a successor to the Supra Turbo, but a step in the right direction for Toyota.

User currently offlineMrChips From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 932 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 10 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2058 times:

Quoting Molykote (Reply 5):
Am I a bad person if the "Scion" branding is the only obstacle to this being my next car?

No. That's why if I buy one of these things, it'll be a Subaru. Scion to me says, "We're hip! We're cool! We're down with it! Our cars totally aren't your mom's Camry! Oh God please buy our cars!"   

Quoting dahawaiian (Reply 13):
I'm sure there will be a turbo version of this in a year or two. Give it 300hp and that thing will be rocket considering its sub-3000lb curb weight. Not a successor to the Supra Turbo, but a step in the right direction for Toyota.

There really isn't room for a turbocharger in the GT 86/BRZ engine bay, unfortunately. The only options for forced-induction (and it might not work) might be to go with a front mounted turbocharger as in the Subaru Legacy, or to ditch the turbo and go with supercharging - supposedly, the latter is the favoured option at the moment.



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User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7524 posts, RR: 24
Reply 15, posted (2 years 10 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2043 times:

Quoting stasisLAX (Reply 12):
The original Xbox was considered cool by younger buyers, but the current generation Xd that replaced the Xb is boring and (in my opionion) ugly. The Xa has never been very popular and the tC is generally seen as a "chick" car...

Actually, the xD (which resembles a squared-off Yaris) replaced the old xA. The restyled xB kept its name. When Toyota launched its 2nd generation Matrix a few years back; the styling looked like a melted candy bar version of the 2nd generation xB.



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User currently offlinestasisLAX From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3283 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (2 years 10 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2012 times:

There is news that Toyota is indeed planning on offering a supercharged version of the GT86, while Subaru is planning on a turbocharged "STI" version of its BRZ model that should offer about 300 horsepower. Also, the standard engined version (a newly redesigned 2.0 liter "boxer" four cylinder petrol motor producing 197 horsepower) of the car has a zero to sixty time of a respectable seven seconds and a top speed of 140+ mph, according to Toyota engineers. Excellent handling is supposedly this car forte, in due to its light weight and chassis tuning.

http://www.autoevolution.com/news/su...ged-toyota-gt-86-coming-40885.html



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User currently offlinefrancoflier From France, joined Oct 2001, 3775 posts, RR: 11
Reply 17, posted (2 years 10 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1952 times:

I couldn't find anywhere whether it sports a FWD or RWD setup... Does anybody know?

Hopefully the Subaru influence didn't spread past the engine and into an overly sophisticated and redundant 4WD system.
...not a big fan of these.



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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15749 posts, RR: 27
Reply 18, posted (2 years 10 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1939 times:

Quoting francoflier (Reply 17):

Its RWD which is why it is so good. If it were front wheel drive it would just be another piece of crap rice rocket. This however is a serious performance car.



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User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7210 posts, RR: 13
Reply 19, posted (2 years 10 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1935 times:

I really like the premise of this. First toyota ever that I'd actually like to own. The one thing I'd change immediately is those wheels - they are dreadful, and typical of modern manufacturers these days. Something along the lines of the OZ superleggera (which would weigh 5-6kg per alloy) would be perfect to keep unsprung weight down and the looks less fussy.

User currently offlinezippyjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 5486 posts, RR: 13
Reply 20, posted (2 years 10 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1909 times:

Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter):
Toyota executives describe the GT 86 as a car that has been “designed by passion not by committee.” I truly wish that Toyota would do the same thing with the rest of its bland North American model line-up - it's Camry and Corolla line especially. At any rate, this lightweight vehicle is designed as a driver's car, with minimal electronic nannies (no electronic stability control, lane-departure detection, and so on) to spoil the driver's fun.

It's about time! Toyota took for granted the segment of the driving populace that appreciates a quality built, fun to drive sporty car that won't make your wallet skinnier than Angelina Jolie. Is this new car FWD, RWD and does it offer Subaru AWD? Where I'm at I could'nt link to any other sites. Scions are FUGLY. And I'm sick of SUV's. Toyota with their Carolla and Camry are making cars that better suit geriatric drivers from Florida. Toyota is trying to be the heir apparrant to the drabmobile Buick Le SAbres from days of yore. I wish this car a lot of luck and feel it will restore Toyota back to its loftier position prior to those sticking gas pedals!



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User currently offlinestasisLAX From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3283 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (2 years 10 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1901 times:

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 20):
Is this new car FWD, RWD and does it offer Subaru AWD?

This is a "proper" Rear Wheel Drive sports car - even the Subie will be RWD. No AWD, due to the added weight of the drivetrain.



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User currently offlinezippyjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 5486 posts, RR: 13
Reply 22, posted (2 years 10 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1900 times:

Quoting stasisLAX (Reply 21):
This is a "proper" Rear Wheel Drive sports car - even the Subie will be RWD. No AWD, due to the added weight of the drivetrain.

Thank you! What was the last production Subie that was RWD exclusively?

I do hope Toyota revives the Celica and spawns a sports coupe out of the Carolla for those of us who need to watch our pennies in the gas pump and live in town and is practical as a fun to drive can be and with FWD/AWD.

Will the GT 86 and Subaru's version be a true production car or a Halo model?

[Edited 2011-12-03 20:10:01]


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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15749 posts, RR: 27
Reply 23, posted (2 years 10 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1893 times:

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 22):
Will the GT 86 and Subaru's version be a true production car or a Halo model?

They are definitely production models. What the TRD and STi people can do with it is anyone's guess, but I feel safe saying that I'd want one.



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User currently offlinezippyjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 5486 posts, RR: 13
Reply 24, posted (2 years 10 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1891 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 23):
They are definitely production models. What the TRD and STi people can do with it is anyone's guess, but I feel safe saying that I'd want one.

  

I'm feeling optimistic that the concept of personal luxury and personal sports coupe are rising from the ashes and hopefully we are emerging from the Dark Ages of auto styling. i.e.
Current generation Honda Accord sedans
Current generation Nissan Versa, puker Cube, Juke
All of the Scion Line...

Any Toyota Prius and other cars that espouse the Hello Kitty awkward shit look. Any SUV or Crossover save for the Subaru Forrester.

Believe it or not some of the current Hyundai cars have the freshest styling.



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25 BMI727 : I don't like those at all. the Veloster isn't terrible, neither is the Genesis, but the rest of the lineup looks droopy. Like they've all melted in t
26 zippyjet : Agree regarding Porsche and theres that Bentley Coupe that is athletic and sleek. The Cayanne is an abortion at least looks wise and doesn't do justi
27 BMI727 : It's just a shame that the Bentley Continental is far more bloated and heavy than it looks. In terms of performance and looks Aston has them firmly b
28 BMI727 : I should add that the worst part of the Cayenne is the rear. There is absolutely no Porsche DNA there. Unless you can see the badge, it looks just lik
29 stasisLAX : No. I think the Porsche Panamera has the biggest, ugliest auto-ass in existence. It's like the AMC Pacer from behind....
30 Post contains links and images trav110 : The front of that car looks pretty sharp, a refreshing change from Toyota's generally conservative styling. It reminds me of a Ferrari 458 Italia. The
31 Braniff747SP : I've been following this car since rumors of the Subieyota came out... I've really liked what they have done. The Toyobaru Subaru version is priced ju
32 Zkpilot : I like it but I can't believe they haven't offered a turbocharged engine option (300HP/225kw). Perhaps this will come later.
33 francoflier : Thanks. Sounds promising... Well, to be honest and for the record, Porsche has never designed a good looking car... The 911 (which I quite like) is j
34 zippyjet : The rest of the Accuras are imitating that overworked/overdone early 2000's Nissan Maxima look (rear side inverted vent window) and the old Taurus Je
35 Post contains images stasisLAX : And here's an official photo of the BRZ - all it needs is gold alloy wheels to look like it's Subaru WRX-STi brother. [Edited 2011-12-07 19:25:57]
36 zippyjet : I never heard of that Carolla model. But, I do remember the FX 14 which looked like an egg crate with spoilers and it was FWD.
37 N1120A : These cars are ridiculously cool. Saw them at the L.A. Auto Show. Saabaru, you mean. AKA, Saab 9-2X You talking about the MR2 Spyder, also known as th
38 Superfly : Where are the pop-up headlights?
39 BMI727 : I can only hope that this car will pave the way for Toyota to bring back a re-imagined Supra to put in the lineup above the FR-S/GT86 as a real compe
40 Post contains images N1120A : One is stuck in the up position and one in the down position, like most 1980s Firebirds.
41 Post contains images Braniff747SP : Gold wheels!? Please, no. When my father was car-shopping, we went to the Subaru dealers; 2010 models and before had gold wheels on some colors. 2011
42 Post contains images stasisLAX : Subaru says that BRZ stands for "Boxer", "Rear Drive" and "Zenith" - okay, that's a little strange, but the Japanese have named vehicles strangely fo
43 RayChuang : I like the new car, but I'd like to eventually see a lightweight dual-clutch transmission with paddle shifters become available in a few years.
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