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Is FOX News Really That Bad Compared To Msnbc?  
User currently offlinemke717spotter From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 2462 posts, RR: 5
Posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3555 times:

I'd classify myself as a moderate republican, but I still watch all three news networks (FOX, CNN, & MSNBC) just to see what everyone has to say. What I don't get is that some of my friends, who are left-leaning, and evens the guys who appear on MSNBC constantly bash FOX news for being biased. Ok, its clear that a lot of their shows have conservative leaning hosts/guests, but how can you ignore that fact that MSNBC's lineup if filled with liberal flamethrowers?! I'm not saying one is better than the other, its just annoys me when people on the left bash on FOX and then completely ignore the fact that MSNBC is obviously just as bad in terms of bias. Or am I missing something here and are there other reasons for the FOX-hate?


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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7972 posts, RR: 51
Reply 1, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3550 times:

I think Fox is the biggest target. You have a few left-leaning (IMO) stations but one right-leaning one so with more supporters it will have more enemies. They should really do a better job fact checking and avoiding some horrendous and obvious biases because these sure don't help Fox's image


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User currently offlinedfwrevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 997 posts, RR: 51
Reply 2, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3548 times:

I like Dennis Miller's analogy:

Fox News may drive in the right lane and CNN may drive in the left lane, but MSNBC is driving into oncoming traffic.


User currently offlineBraniff747SP From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 3006 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3538 times:

I refuse to watch MSNBC or Fox, due to their political leanings. I do find Fox, though, to be much worse- While MSBC certainly has some anchors that are very, very pro-left, they don't have anyone as bad as Beck, Hannity, and the rest of them.

MSNBC also does some good specials that really don't have much of a political leaning, which are fine.



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User currently offlinecanoecarrier From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2843 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3531 times:

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 1):
You have a few left-leaning (IMO) stations but one right-leaning one so with more supporters it will have more enemies. They should really do a better job fact checking and avoiding some horrendous and obvious biases because these sure don't help Fox's image

Take for example the local Fox affiliate here in Seattle. It's actually owned by the Tribune Company, the same multimedia corporation that owns the Chicago Tribune, LA Times and the Baltimore Sun. Tribune also used to partner with Warner Brothers. A common misconception is that local affiliates are the same as the network owned and operated stations, be it NBC, CBS or Fox. They aren't because they're affiliates where ownership is controlled by someone other than the network.

By FCC regulations network "owned and operated" stations can only reach around 40% of the country. I know a number of people in print/tv media who get this question all the time.

Quoting mke717spotter (Thread starter):
I'd classify myself as a moderate republican

Getting back to the original question, I see myself with similar political views. And, to honest I can't watch one news channel and not see some form of bias. Katie Courick's hit job on Palin in 2008 was all bias just as Fox News can interject a political view in just about anything. But, at the national level you compete for viewship, so news organizations pander to their base. The people that watch Maddow aren't conservatives, so she plays to her audience.



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User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8431 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3518 times:

I find CNN to be more balanced than either. There are talking heads from both parties on most nights. Even Senator Jim Demint is having his few minutes of ordering his thoughts right now.

I have started watching Rachael Maddow show from time to time. The hits she took on this side made me curious and she can be pretty funny at times. Ed just gives 'em hell, a mirror image of FOX. At least he is consistent with his comments.

CNN does have some slow times - Larry King drove me nuts. I'd watch HGTV before him. And his replacement still has some of the dullest people on, but my TV has a remote control.

FOX? I'd watch when they had a good football game on, but they grate on my nerves when they get into the political area.


User currently offlineTOMMY767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6843 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3515 times:

MSNBC's "Lean Forward" campaign is just icing on the cake for them being the extreme left news outlet. I still can't believe they a promoting such a thing.


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User currently offlineGuitrThree From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2059 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3510 times:

Quoting Braniff747SP (Reply 3):
as bad as Beck

Doesn't work there any more and hasn't for months. Oh, and he worked at CNN before that. FYI.

Quoting Braniff747SP (Reply 3):
Hannity

He doesn't claim not to be biased, unlike those at MSNBC.

Quoting Braniff747SP (Reply 3):
and the rest of them

Really? The rest of them? Sheppard Smith is a liberal. Greta Van Susteren (sp?) is a liberal. Geraldo, is a Liberal. There are three of them I just listed as their big names leaning left. Can you do the same with MSNBC? I think not.

And don't for one minute try to tell me that Sharpton, Ed Schultz, or Rachel Maddow are any less left than Hannity and O'Reilly are right. If you attempt that you are a fool.

[Edited 2011-12-06 15:48:45]


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User currently offlinesw733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6363 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3496 times:

I still think it has to do with your own political beliefs. If you are far right-leaning, you won't think FOX is that far off...if you are far left-leaning, you won't think MSNBC is that far off...if you are normal and have a brain, you'll realize they are both off their rockers in very different directions!  

User currently offlineelbandgeek From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 759 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3486 times:

Both networks have discovered they can make buckets of money by pandering to the far left or right, and therefore neither qualifies as "news".

That said, Fox makes buckets more than MSNBC


User currently offlineYellowstone From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3071 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3470 times:

MSNBC wishes it could be as bad as FOX News. The latter figured out that there was a load of money to be made presenting folks with a version of the news that reinforced all their preconceived notions of the world (regardless of whether those notions had any connection to reality), and now MSNBC is trying to cash in on the same phenomenon.


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User currently offlineseb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11764 posts, RR: 15
Reply 11, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3454 times:

Quoting mke717spotter (Thread starter):
its clear that a lot of their shows have conservative leaning hosts/guests, but how can you ignore that fact that MSNBC's lineup if filled with liberal flamethrowers?!

Here is the difference: FOX presents what it calls news as facts. But, with a far-right bias and puts the tag line "fair and balanced" all over the place. MSNBC makes no effort to say they are "fair and balaced." Everyone (even the hosts themselves) know MSNBC is farther left than FOX. Watch the "news" segments on FOX and you will see how much Obama, Pelosi, Feingold, Ried, and anyone ANYONE with a (D) behind their name hate America. But, on MSNBC, they start with the presumption that everyone with an (R) behind their names do for corporations first and disguise it as being for middle America and do not present it as news, but rather opinion. Which is what FOX does, but they just lable it as "news."



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User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5618 posts, RR: 51
Reply 12, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3433 times:

News should be presented more in the vein of a Al Jazeera presentation - just telling the story in great detail sans all the left leaning and right leaning nonsense. The nation is never gonna come together with so called 'facts' being presented in any prepackaged left or right persuasion.

This is a good reason to stop the left news vs right news before it explodes out of control...

Fox News Viewers Know Less Than People Who Don't Watch Any News: Study
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/1...fairleigh-dickinson_n_1106305.html

Fox News Viewers Are The Most Misinformed: Study
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/1...ews-viewers-are-the-_n_798146.html

Fox News viewers are much more likely than others to believe false information about American politics, a new study concludes.

The study, conducted by the University of Maryland, judged how likely consumers of various news outlets and publications were to believe misinformation about a wide range of political issues. Overall, 90% of respondents said they felt they had heard false information being given to them during the 2010 election campaign. However, while consumers of just about every news outlet believed some information that was false, the study found that Fox News viewers, regardless of political information, were "significantly more likely" to believe that


...need anyone say more..

BN747



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User currently offlineflymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7247 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3428 times:

Quoting Braniff747SP (Reply 3):
I refuse to watch MSNBC or Fox, due to their political leanings. I do find Fox, though, to be much worse- While MSBC certainly has some anchors that are very, very pro-left, they don't have anyone as bad as Beck, Hannity, and the rest of them.

Both have their political agenda but no one can honestly say FOX is "far worse" it depends on your views on which is worse, but "far worse". No way. I do find MSNBC to be worse, and watching how they handle the Republican debates along with CNBC proved it very easily for me.

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 5):
I find CNN to be more balanced than either. There are talking heads from both parties on most nights. Even Senator Jim Demint is having his few minutes of ordering his thoughts right now.

Same here, I find all media besides for FOX to be left leaning, but CNN does the best to attempt to stay in the middle. Since all media but FOX is left leaning FOX needs to make up for it somehow. Their ratings show they know what they are doing too. FOX beats them all out.
I did enjoy that CNN Anderson Cooper called out Ed Shultz a few nights ago. He does not seem to be a fan of MSNBC and I think he is probably the best news anchor or journalist (whatever we should call it these days) on Air from any station.

Quoting elbandgeek (Reply 9):
Both networks have discovered they can make buckets of money by pandering to the far left or right, and therefore neither qualifies as "news".

That said, Fox makes buckets more than MSNBC

FOX sure does. One there are more people in the right or center right than extreme left it would take to watch MSNBC all day long.



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User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5618 posts, RR: 51
Reply 14, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3422 times:

Quoting flymia (Reply 13):
Their ratings show they know what they are doing too. FOX beats them all out.
Quoting flymia (Reply 13):
FOX sure does. One there are more people in the right or center right than extreme left it would take to watch MSNBC all day long.

Umm yeah profitability at the cost of pandering to the lowest common denominator is not necessarily the wisest and best strategy for a leading nation.

BN747



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User currently offlineGuitrThree From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2059 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3403 times:

Quoting BN747 (Reply 12):

This is a good reason to stop the left news vs right news before it explodes out of control...

Fox News Viewers Know Less Than People Who Don't Watch Any News: Study
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/1...fairleigh-dickinson_n_1106305.html

Fox News Viewers Are The Most Misinformed: Study
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/1....html

Classic. Your proof of Fox Viewers being "misinformed" comes from a far left (no question about it) website the Huffington Post.

Quoting BN747 (Reply 12):
...need anyone say more..

Nope. You said enough.



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User currently onlineluckyone From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 2211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3402 times:

Quoting BN747 (Reply 14):
Umm yeah profitability at the cost of pandering to the lowest common denominator is not necessarily the wisest and best strategy for a leading nation.

Or there really are that many people with a point of view that they find Fox describes better.


User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7335 posts, RR: 13
Reply 17, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3395 times:

you should watch the European channels for news, MSNBC & Fox if you want reality based fiction.

User currently offlineairportugal310 From Tokelau, joined Apr 2004, 3683 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3382 times:

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 5):
I'd watch HGTV before him.

Whats wrong with HGTV?  
Quoting Yellowstone (Reply 10):
MSNBC wishes it could be as bad as FOX News. The latter figured out that there was a load of money to be made presenting folks with a version of the news that reinforced all their preconceived notions of the world (regardless of whether those notions had any connection to reality), and now MSNBC is trying to cash in on the same phenomenon.

That sums it up rather well

Quoting luckyone (Reply 16):
Or there really are that many people with a point of view that they find Fox describes better.

Bazinga



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User currently offlinestasisLAX From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3286 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3376 times:

Quoting BN747 (Reply 12):
News should be presented more in the vein of a Al Jazeera presentation - just telling the story in great detail sans all the left leaning and right leaning nonsense. The nation is never gonna come together with so called 'facts' being presented in any prepackaged left or right persuasion.

  

Both MSNBC and Faux News are experts at labeling politicians - let's face it. But Murdoch's Newsgroup owns Fox and Comcast (and prior to that, General Electric) owns MSNBC - so either way, you're getting the news that the power-elite want us to get - in order to label and generalize - and thus divide the American public.

I read the international press on the internet MUCH MUCH more than I depend on the American main-stream media in the United States - the international press seems much more balanced and indeed based in facts, in my opinion.

Always remember the writer or news reporters own bias, then filtered it out!



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User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5618 posts, RR: 51
Reply 20, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3357 times:

Quoting luckyone (Reply 16):
Quoting BN747 (Reply 14):
Umm yeah profitability at the cost of pandering to the lowest common denominator is not necessarily the wisest and best strategy for a leading nation.

Or there really are that many people with a point of view that they find Fox describes better.

'the recipients of lower common denominator pandering'.. does breed.. you are aware of that, right? It is counter productive towards a desired advancing gene pool (thus society), you're aware of that too, correct? And you're okay with that?

If so, it seems you'd prefer a divided nation over a united one, just come right out and say that then.

But I'd like to know...just what are the advantages and benefits for 'choosing' to be or comfortable with being misinformed?

BN747

[Edited 2011-12-06 19:52:00]


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User currently onlineluckyone From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 2211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3345 times:

Quoting BN747 (Reply 20):
'the recipients of lower common denominator pandering'.. does breed.. you are aware of that, right? It is counter productive towards a desired advancing gene pool (thus society), you're aware of that too, correct? And you're okay with that?

If so, it seems you'd prefer a divided nation over a united one, just come right out and say that then.

Aside from the fact that what you've just said sounds a bit like eugenics, the people whom you claim to be the lowest common denominator are your opinion, and I respect that as such, disagree with it as I may. Many can (and do) argue that the more "liberal" news networks do the same. Although, it has been my unscientific observation that my more liberal friends tend to be more vitriolic about their opposition to conservative media by resorting to childish name calling a la Faux News than the other way around--and these are supposed to be the tolerant people. The liberal friends tend to be more incredulous that a different opinion exists at all, that nobody is smart enough to understand their view, and tend to resort to condescending pseudo-intellectualism toward their conservative counterparts, which quite frankly makes them look just as silly as a redneck rallying around Freedom Fries. There are just as many smart people who are conservatives as there are liberal, the media just doesn't show that as much because MOST of the media has a liberal bias.

I personally find most of Fox's commentators obnoxious, but then again I find most of the talking heads obnoxious regardless of the network. I think, however, it's a bit arrogant to label an opinion that differs from my own as "the lowest common denominator." I do think different opinions are beneficial. I find the concept of a completely politically united nation immensely disturbing. This many people all charging away in one direction has more possibilities for epic disaster than the disgusting partisan fighting we're witnessing right now, so given a choice between the two I'll take the head butting.


User currently offlinevinniewinnie From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 797 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3331 times:

Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 7):
Greta Van Susteren (sp?) is a liberal. Geraldo, is a Liberal.

Haha that is a good joke! Van susteren is as conservative as the others, just doesn't shout as much. Geraldo is conservative but likes to play devils advocate

Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 15):
Classic. Your proof of Fox Viewers being "misinformed" comes from a far left (no question about it) website the Huffington Post.

Huffinton post is the messenger: have a look there if you don't believe the study actually exists: http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pi...adara/671.php?nid=&id=&pnt=671&lb=

Quoting BN747 (Reply 14):
Umm yeah profitability at the cost of pandering to the lowest common denominator is not necessarily the wisest and best strategy for a leading nation.

exactly

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 17):

you should watch the European channels for news, MSNBC & Fox if you want reality based fiction.

exactly

Quoting stasisLAX (Reply 19):
But Murdoch's Newsgroup owns Fox and Comcast

not true: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comcast it's a fully independent company


Point is Fox is very biased and so is Msnbc. Fox loves ranting about mainstream media, academia etc etc, and thus creates some kind of relationship with the little guys that feel overwhelmed by big government, big cities big everything.

The difference is that Fox dumbs down everything, Msnbc less so. You actually can get some information out of a programme on Msnbc, on Fox you get to see pretty woman of all ages (usually blond) that don't have much to say/add to the conversation. There is a cult of personality on Fox, whereas on Msnbc the cult is more about ideas, mainly liberal yes but ideas nevertheless


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29813 posts, RR: 58
Reply 23, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3323 times:

Quoting stasisLAX (Reply 19):
I read the international press on the internet MUCH MUCH more than I depend on the American main-stream media in the United States - the international press seems much more balanced and indeed based in facts, in my opinion

Ohhh, the Euro media has it's points too.

Just this week this was a story that BP has filed a claim against Halliburton stating that the latter company knowing destroyed records relating to the Mecando oil spill. This is just a court filing

Headline on the BBC website, "Gull Spill Evidence 'Destroyed'"

The local paper the Anchorage Daily News carried the AP story with this headline, "Gulf rig contractor destroyed key oil spill evidence, BP charges"


Here are links to both stories to read, I personally think that the BBC went with their headline because BP is also a British company. The ADN/AP headline seems to be much less sensational and a more accurate statement of what is going on.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-16044836
http://www.adn.com/2011/12/06/220513...f-rig-subcontractor-destroyed.html



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User currently offlineseb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11764 posts, RR: 15
Reply 24, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3309 times:

Quoting stasisLAX (Reply 19):
I read the international press on the internet MUCH MUCH more than I depend on the American main-stream media in the United States

I would like to watch al-Jazeera English. Just to see what they say.

Quoting L-188 (Reply 23):
Just this week this was a story that BP has filed a claim against Halliburton stating that the latter company knowing destroyed records relating to the Mecando oil spill.

Not much has been said about this here in California. From what I can tell, one company, according to media, has already blamed someone while, on another headline, only a charge has been filed.



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25 L-188 : All BP did was make a court filing against Halliburton but if you read the BBC headline it looks like a confirmed fact. At this point it is just an a
26 zippyjet : Fox is so right wing it's kind of funny. But I have to give them props for some of the hottest news babes.
27 jpetekyxmd80 : My gosh. Did Huffington Post do this study themselves...or did they report on it? Is that distinction honestly lost on you? Who did you expect to rep
28 StarAC17 : FOX has most of the market share which is why they get more of the personal attacks as opposed to the competition. Its probably the style of broadcas
29 Mir : You do realize that the Huffington Post did not do that survey, right? That they're only reporting on it? Your beef is with Fairleigh Dickinson Unive
30 Ken777 : During the bits I have seen on msnbc there was no effort to claim anything but a left position. Some use humor and some just raise hell - like you'll
31 Post contains images N1120A : FOX unabashedly lies. MSNBC shows why FOX is lying. Dennis Miller, given his extreme biases, is not a good source. Uh, no. No Geraldo is a talk show h
32 Post contains images Gunsontheroof : This is the end of the story, no question about it. Cable news is an absolute embarrassment and should be taken behind the barn, shot, buried and nev
33 planespotting : While all major news networks are pretty crappy (MSNBC, FOX, CNN, etc.) from my experience, the TV show "Fox and Friends" is the absolute bottom of th
34 Arrow : With all due respect, that's a bit of a nit pick. BBC put the word destroyed in quotes, indicating it is someone else's word, not theirs. I'll conced
35 Post contains images BN747 : I guess he did need hear that Fox News to report those findings for validity sake. That is the unabated truth! Boy there's goes all that Liberal Medi
36 Post contains images DeltaMD90 : I took it. Wasn't bad at all IMO. Now tasers on the other hand... I do have a question for the posters: what news source do you consider the least bi
37 GuitrThree : You guys are missing the point. I was responding to this: Note the first word of my post, which was "Classic." I was simply pointing out that BN747 h
38 Post contains images Braniff747SP : This thread is about Fox, hence I only mentioned them. I can't stand MSNBC because of Maddow, Sharpton, and the rest of 'em.
39 N1120A : Being friendly with the Clintons? Orrin Hatch and Ted Kennedy were great friends. 1) Scarborough was a Republican Congressman 2) Matthews voted for B
40 GuitrThree : Sharpton, Shultz and Maddow aren't hard left? Really?
41 vinniewinnie : No they aren't! Pay a little interest to the European left to really see what hard left means. It's the republican media and the republican media tha
42 N1120A : Shultz is left. Sharpton is an oddball anyway, but left-ish. Maddow is center-left. Indeed, in Europe, Maddow would be dead center.
43 Yellowstone : I can't be the only one out there who doesn't really care whether these folks are right, left, center, whatever. Politically, I'm center-left, but as
44 N1120A : I don't see Schultz as an analogue to O'Reilly, because Schultz doesn't make things up. I do agree that he tends to be more of a "red meat" type of c
45 Post contains links GuitrThree : Wow. Didn't know I moved to Europe. Really. He doesn't make things up? This took me all of 5 seconds to find. Watch both of the videos, the Perry and
46 MoltenRock : No, not at all. Sadly, America doesn't have any "hard left" party representation, by any standard world guide. Obama is a center or center-right Pres
47 GuitrThree : Wow. Speechless. Really. I'm glad you think so. I'll mark this thread in my memory and I'll pull it out in November for you. That will be much easier
48 BN747 : Or as I call it...pandering to the 'lowest common denominator'.. BN747
49 NWA330nut : So what about the Current? Anybody watch that? I find The Young Turks full of facts, so I would like to hear what people's opinions are about that sho
50 N1120A : That's the point. None of them are hard left. Cenk Uygur is one of my favorite personalities. Its a left-leaning libertarian program (libertine socia
51 flymia : Who cares, this is not about European politics this is about the U.S. Sadly? Great, well worded liberal stuff there. Thanks for the reasonable commen
52 zippyjet : Many times I feel that way. But sadly, we are controlled by the virulent extremes from both sides. It's the majority of us in the center that have to
53 MoltenRock : Yes, sadly! It's sad that America doesn't have a true, left wing / liberal, voice or choice. It doesn't mean that I think that position should be ram
54 BN747 : Childish it is not, MoltenRock's comments are dead on and widely perceived this way by many. And no one did it to them..the GOP took themselves down
55 MoltenRock : I've voted for a number of Republicans. George Bush Sr. for one. However, once the party took it upon themselves to demonize gays, brown people, and
56 Post contains images zippyjet : There are some who are Republican and say the party of Lincoln. If that floats your boat... Besides the neo you know whats don't forget the wizard of
57 Post contains images N1120A : You don't get it. Again, the hard left has very little voice. Bernie Sanders is about it.
58 vinniewinnie : It matters as a sizeable minority of people in this country does not even understand what left-wing politics means, what it does (other than income r
59 flymia : Agree with you 100% there. I think there should be very limited regulation on private stem cell research. As for the government getting involved, the
60 mke717spotter : Wow, if that's true then she really does a good job hiding her bias. Most of the people she brings on her show include people like Trump, Palin, Rove
61 petertenthije : That's done as a counter balance to her rampant liberalism. You should expect that from a station that uses "fair an balanced" as tagline.
62 Post contains images MoltenRock : YES! THE MAJORITY! Which one of the Republican candidates running for President, or currently serving in the Senate / House, supports gay marriage? Wh
63 N1120A : Schultz didn't vote for Bush. Indeed, he was critical of him. Matthews likes Obama because his centrism jives well with Matthews' center-right philos
64 MoltenRock : Correct, but Schultz did support, vote for, and give money to, a number of Republicans in the 2000 election as he was moving from a rightwing nutbar
65 GuitrThree : Pretty sure most of them support Civil Unions. Which gives gay couples everything they want with nothing changed but the name. So you support law bre
66 vinniewinnie : Typical nonsense. Yes Sep 11 was one of the worst disasters ever in this country, but have you actually ever looked at who kills most americans? Well
67 Pyrex : I really don't watch news on TV, but can't help but think that the reason liberals get their panties in a twist about Fox News is because they see it
68 BN747 : No..they see it as the most gross dishonest reporting of 'news' ever. An actual intentional irresponsible airing of unbridled disingenuous fodder spr
69 GuitrThree : Thats all well and good, but it does nothing to disprove my statement. And while the statement "but have you actually ever looked at who kills most a
70 Post contains links MoltenRock : Wingnut / Xtian terrorism: http://www.splcenter.org/get-informe...publications/terror-from-the-right
71 geezer : [quote=vinniewinnie,reply=22]Haha that is a good joke! Van susteren is as conservative as the others, just doesn't shout as much. Geraldo is conservat
72 kent350787 : It is all really a matter of perspective isn't it. For most of the rest of the western world, Huffington Post and MSNBC are considered moderate centri
73 Mir : True, but easier said than done, especially because the natures of both MSNBC and FoxNews actively encourages politicians to act like children. The m
74 Post contains images BN747 : that much is true, nut when they take it upon themselves to say things '.. like the President & 1st Lady' engaged in a 'terrorist fist bump' and
75 stratosphere : Joe Scarborough I would agree with...Chris Matthews no f'g way he is a liberal with a capital L.. I actually watch all three networks to get my " fai
76 stratosphere : I kinda tend to like him also but he did get his butt kicked in that boxing match with Sylvester Stallone's brother Frank. But will say he looks and
77 Post contains images aloges : I have got to give them credit - that is almost subtle!
78 Mir : You know...rounding. -Mir
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