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Fake Signatures Get Obama On Indiana Ballot  
User currently offlinestarbuk7 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 599 posts, RR: 5
Posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 1408 times:

More fraud from the Democrats and the Unions.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011...ary-election-fraud-probe-heats-up/

And before some of you cry that this is a Fox News article, it is in other places as well and it is Democrats that were supporting Hillary that are piss that their names are on petitions for Obama.

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User currently onlinemt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6565 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (2 years 7 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 1391 times:
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Quoting starbuk7 (Thread starter):
More fraud from the Democrats and the Unions.

Should be investigated fully.. On the other hand, if they do find some fraudulent signatures - does that mean that every single signature was faked? Where the "real" signatures enough to get Obama in the ballot?



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User currently offlinejetblueguy22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 2741 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (2 years 7 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1295 times:
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Oh dear god not more of this stuff. As a republican this is just embarrassing. He is POTUS, if you don't like him, vote him out in November. In the mean time lets deal with some real issues like i don't know, the economy.
Blue



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User currently offline2707200X From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 8429 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (2 years 7 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1278 times:

If you are concernred about this I think you also decounce Republican voter supression.


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User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8780 posts, RR: 24
Reply 4, posted (2 years 7 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1246 times:

Quoting mt99 (Reply 1):
Should be investigated fully.. On the other hand, if they do find some fraudulent signatures - does that mean that every single signature was faked? Where the "real" signatures enough to get Obama in the ballot?

Apparently he got on the ballot only by a dozen signatures or so, and the signatures in doubt number well into the hundreds.

Quoting jetblueguy22 (Reply 2):
Oh dear god not more of this stuff. As a republican this is just embarrassing. He is POTUS, if you don't like him, vote him out in November. In the mean time lets deal with some real issues like i don't know, the economy.
Blue

I agree it's a minor issue now, 3 years into his presidency. But for how long did democrats complain about GW Bush winning the way he did in 2000?

Quoting 2707200X (Reply 3):
If you are concernred about this I think you also decounce Republican voter supression.

  Oh yeah, asking for ID to prove that you are who you say you are is voter suppression. Any election system that does not insist on ID checks is grossly irresponsible, and those who resist ID checks are blatantly supportive of voter fraud.



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User currently offline2707200X From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 8429 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (2 years 7 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1233 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 4):
Oh yeah, asking for ID to prove that you are who you say you are is voter suppression. Any election system that does not insist on ID checks is grossly irresponsible, and those who resist ID checks are blatantly supportive of voter fraud.

It was not a big issue until recently, until the wrong man walked into the oval office and Republican governors of eastern states became very unpopular. What if you don't have a driver's licence for a photo ID? Why can't a college ID with photo be good enough to get into the voting booth?

[Edited 2011-12-07 18:09:47]

[Edited 2011-12-07 18:10:37]


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User currently offlinejetblueguy22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 2741 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (2 years 7 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1223 times:
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Quoting 2707200X (Reply 5):
Why can't a college ID with photo be good enough to get into the voting booth?

I can't even use my credit card without presenting real id, College ID has never passed ever, why should it for the voting booth?
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User currently offlineGuitrThree From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2040 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (2 years 7 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1211 times:

Quoting 2707200X (Reply 5):
What if you don't have a driver's licence for a photo ID?

Every state in this country issues ID only cards...

Quoting 2707200X (Reply 5):
Why can't a college ID with photo be good enough to get into the voting booth?

Do you know how many "colleges" are in this country? Do you know the percentage of them that are private? I don't, but I do know there are plenty of them. Why should a private college ID be enough proof? Using your logic, I can use my Badge from the private company I contract with for voter ID. I mean, it's an ID, right?

Heck, even very highly regarded colleges like Vanderbilt are private. But the fact remains, they are a business and in the end nothing more.

Enough with this crap. STATE ISSUED ID's or GOVERNMENT ISSUED PASSPORTS. What's so hard about that? And some states, like here in TN, you can get your state issued "ID only" card FOR FREE.



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User currently onlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6094 posts, RR: 31
Reply 8, posted (2 years 7 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1189 times:
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Here in Mexico there are only four IDs that you can use for any type of commercial deal, banking, voting or IDying yourself.

1) Your Voter Registration Card (the most used)
2) Your Passport
3) Your Driver´s License, although some establishments won´t take it, but it mostly is regarded as official
4) Your Birth Certificate

Whatever other document you may have with your name and a picture will not be accepted by anyone or anywhere as valid ID.



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User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8780 posts, RR: 24
Reply 9, posted (2 years 7 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1189 times:

Quoting 2707200X (Reply 5):
What if you don't have a driver's licence for a photo ID?

How can anyone live without any sort of state-issued ID? How do you get a job? A loan? A car? Rent an apartment?

Quoting 2707200X (Reply 5):
Why can't a college ID with photo be good enough to get into the voting booth?

Because there are too many for a person checking to recognize real ones from fakes. Plus, college IDs tend to have few if any safeguards to prevent counterfeiting, tampering and alteration.



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User currently offlineMaverick623 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 5553 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (2 years 7 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1186 times:

Quoting jetblueguy22 (Reply 6):
I can't even use my credit card without presenting real id

Most, if not all, agreements actually prohibit merchants from requiring ID to use a card.

Just sayin...



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User currently offlinejetblueguy22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 2741 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (2 years 7 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1178 times:
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Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 10):
Most, if not all, agreements actually prohibit merchants from requiring ID to use a card.

Just sayin...

Just got my id checked at Best Buy and whenever I go to my school bookstore. Maybe a ND thing? I'll admit it has never happened to me out east.
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User currently offlineMaverick623 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 5553 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (2 years 7 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1164 times:

Quoting jetblueguy22 (Reply 11):

Just got my id checked at Best Buy and whenever I go to my school bookstore. Maybe a ND thing? I'll admit it has never happened to me out east.

I'm not saying it doesn't happen, just that it's technically not allowed (by contract). It's one of those things that people are so used to it they think they have to do it. Having filled out merchant applications, the rules clearly state the merchant isn't allowed to require ID as a condition of use.

Again, just an observation  



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User currently offlineMoltenRock From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (2 years 7 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1145 times:

Quoting starbuk7 (Thread starter):

Republicans go cookoo for Cocoa Puffs!


User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21421 posts, RR: 56
Reply 14, posted (2 years 7 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1129 times:

Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 7):
And some states, like here in TN, you can get your state issued "ID only" card FOR FREE.

Which is the right way to do it. But other states don't give them out for free, which creates a poll tax situation. And, of course, that's constitutionally verboten.

And I fail to see how requiring voter ID would have prevented this. You could have required those collecting signatures to check IDs, and they still could have forged the signatures after the fact. Ultimately, this is due to some crooked people (who should be punished), not a lack of ID requirements. For all the talk about how we need those, I've yet to see any real evidence of fraud that stricter ID requirements would prevent.

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User currently offlinetugger From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 5377 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (2 years 7 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1127 times:

Not minimizing any wrongdoing on the submission side of things but actually the blame on these signatures being allowed lies on the Registrar's shoulders. Lots of submissions occur but it is the Registrar's job to verify that the signatures are valid.

I know that here where I live there are all sorts of things that various groups put on the ballot, or try to. And to do so they must submit signatures to the Registrar's office who then goes through a sample set of the signatures collected and from that determines what level of verification is needed. If there is a question or doubt then all signatures can be reviewed.

I don't know the exact number but it is normal that something like 10% or more of signatures are not valid for various reasons. If I remember correctly the most common is not living is the correct region for the initiative being qualified but false signatures are not uncommon and are more when paid signature gatherers are being used.

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User currently offlinestarbuk7 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 599 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (2 years 7 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1070 times:

Quoting MoltenRock (Reply 13):
Republicans go cookoo for Cocoa Puffs!


It's democrats that were for Hillary that are complaining if you would read the article instead of just commenting on it!!!!


User currently offlineDogsOfWar From Ireland, joined Dec 2011, 36 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 7 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1044 times:

Quoting jetblueguy22 (Reply 2):

Oh dear god not more of this stuff. As a republican this is just embarrassing. He is POTUS, if you don't like him, vote him out in November. In the mean time lets deal with some real issues like i don't know, the economy.
Blue

Seriously? he is a paid protestor and now he's our President? he doesnt deserve the office, he should be imprisoned! Deal with the economy? really? and hows that working out so far?

Quoting MoltenRock (Reply 13):

Republicans go cookoo for Cocoa Puffs!
and i bet you were one of the smart ones who voted in this DB President.  


User currently offlineseb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11462 posts, RR: 15
Reply 18, posted (2 years 7 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1019 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 4):
asking for ID to prove that you are who you say you are is voter suppression.

Most states charge for ID. Also, there are polling places where, even if you present a valid state issued photo ID, you still might be declined to vote because your name was removed from the rolls. There are many stories of this happening.

Quoting DogsOfWar (Reply 17):
Deal with the economy? really? and hows that working out so far?

Kinda like how "only the rich create jobs so let's give them all the tax breaks" worked out so well. How many jobs did that create?

Any time there is someone on the ballot one side hates, they complain of signature fraud. It seems to happen more with Obama than anyone else. I am still trying to figure out how signatures on a petition is the same as voter fraud. I never got that one explained to me.



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User currently offlineNWA330nut From United States of America, joined Sep 2009, 115 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (2 years 7 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 883 times:

Quoting jetblueguy22 (Reply 6):
I can't even use my credit card without presenting real id

I am very interested as to where this happens. As a clerk at a convenience store I never ask for ID if it requests to at the back of the card and I have never been asked to show ID to make a purchase with a card.


User currently offlineseb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11462 posts, RR: 15
Reply 20, posted (2 years 7 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 875 times:

Interesting thing reading the article: The White House supports a full investigation. The Indiana state voter board supports a full investigation. The Democratic party in Indiana supports a full investigation. It seems the only person who does not support a full investigation is the chair of the county election board. Yet, Obama and the unions are the only ones to blame? For something (it seems) one guy did? Really? Please explain.


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User currently offlineMoltenRock From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (2 years 7 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 871 times:

Quoting DogsOfWar (Reply 17):

He should be imprisoned? Wow! Someone's off their meds and supping Drug Limbaugh and Glenda Beck's screed radio daily. It's so funny to see Republicans that actually think Obama didn't win, or deserve to be the President. It'll be even more funny when Obama wins a 2nd term. I think LimBeck & Co. will be in the hospital ranting and raving from apoplexy.


User currently offlinejetblueguy22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 2741 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (2 years 7 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 866 times:
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Quoting DogsOfWar (Reply 17):
Seriously? he is a paid protestor and now he's our President? he doesnt deserve the office, he should be imprisoned! Deal with the economy? really? and hows that working out so far?

Imprisoned? Like he hasn't done anything that would require imprisonment. Like its one thing to call him a crappy President, but should be jailed? cmon. And yes he should work on the economy because that is part of his job. Do I think he's done it to this point? No, but it doesn't mean he should give up....

Quoting NWA330nut (Reply 19):
I am very interested as to where this happens. As a clerk at a convenience store I never ask for ID if it requests to at the back of the card and I have never been asked to show ID to make a purchase with a card.

Happened just yesterday when I went to a school bookstore and bought some christmas presents for my family. Asked for id when I swiped my credit card, all I had was my school id. My buddy ended up having to pay so I wouldn't have to run back and grab my id. Happened again at best buy, but that could very well have just been because I was buying a rated R movie.
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