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User currently offlinezrs70 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 3164 posts, RR: 9
Posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 3622 times:

I am disgusted by this. How could Texas elect him as governor multiple times?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=0PAJNntoRgA

And I LOVE my colleague's response!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-tjWoRPaI0&feature=share


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User currently offlinetugger From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 5492 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 3622 times:

Quoting zrs70 (Thread starter):
And I LOVE my colleague's response!

That is really good!
Two thumbs up!      

Tugg



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User currently offlineju068 From Serbia, joined exactly 5 years ago today! , 2579 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 3618 times:

Quoting zrs70 (Thread starter):
I am disgusted by this. How could Texas elect him as governor multiple times?

It's simple, he got more than 50% of the vote.



I do not understand why some immigrants are complaining that people celebrate Christmass in the US. 60% to 76% of the Americans are Christians, if someone has a problem then he can either live with it or pack his bags and move somewhere else.

[Edited 2011-12-09 22:27:28]

User currently offlinetugger From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 5492 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 3605 times:

Quoting ju068 (Reply 2):
I do not understand why some immigrants are complaining that people celebrate Christmass in the US. 60% to 76% of the Americans are Christians, if someone has a problem then he can either live with it or pack his bags and move somewhere else.

No one minds people celebrating Christmas here in the USA. If you have that impression it is incorrect.

Christmas is a very fun and festive time of year (with the associated stress that comes with fun and festive time of the year   ). The battle is always over whether "the state" is sponsoring or endorsing anything religious. Usually it ends going overboard one way or the other, people can't seem to calm down. But that's life I guess.

Tugg



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User currently onlinejetblueguy22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 2781 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 3593 times:
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I can't believe this day in age people are still so closed minded. He's pretty ballsy for being so openly anti gay. That may work if you want to be governor, but it isn't going to get you the presidency.
Blue



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19495 posts, RR: 58
Reply 5, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 3568 times:

Yanno, every day Facebook tags about 12 to 20 posts made by my friends about Christmas. I can't set foot in any commercial space without seeing Christmas decorations up. Every church has a nativity scene. Every billboard is in red and green. It's all over TV. There are Salvation Army people outside every store.

I'm sorry but I just don't see a Christmas shortage.


User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8217 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 3554 times:

Quoting ju068 (Reply 2):
60% to 76% of the Americans are Christians,

That leaves a lot of aAmericans who are Jewish, or follow some over religion. And all of those should have the same tights to not be persecuted (or harassed) for their religion. That was one of the foundations of America.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 5):
I'm sorry but I just don't see a Christmas shortage.

I've worked for a few Jewish merchants over the years and the best joke that came from market was:

Did you know the Jews invented Christmas?

Oi, December was a slow month.


User currently offlinemainMAN From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 2097 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 3526 times:

Quoting zrs70 (Thread starter):
I am disgusted by this. How could Texas elect him as governor multiple times?

Oh dear, how unfortunate. A massive own goal, precisely why secular Europeans (like me) love to snigger at the incredulity of it all.........


User currently offlineAsturias From Spain, joined Apr 2006, 2148 posts, RR: 16
Reply 8, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 3490 times:

Quoting mainMAN (Reply 7):
Oh dear, how unfortunate. A massive own goal, precisely why secular Europeans (like me) love to snigger at the incredulity of it all.........

You guys voted for Tony Blair multiple times. Margaret Thatcher as well.

Might want to ease up on the "high and mighty" attitude.

ast.



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User currently offlinemainMAN From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 2097 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 3458 times:

Quoting Asturias (Reply 8):
You guys voted for Tony Blair multiple times. Margaret Thatcher as well.

Sorry did you misinterpret what I wrote? I wasn't talking about UK politicians, although if you want to, worthwhile to know that our public servants generally don't get elected on the back of voter hatred and ignorance.

And in terms of "high and mighty" - thank you very much for the endorsement.


User currently offlinephotopilot From Canada, joined Jul 2002, 2730 posts, RR: 18
Reply 10, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 3453 times:

Bravo for Perry for standing up to what he believes in. He should package that in a vial, or would that be considered vile?

While personally I think the whole "christian" thing about god, a virgin birth, and miracles is nothing more than a fairy-tale, he's completely entitled to say what he thinks and publish/broadcast his message. The only choice you have is to either vote for him or pick another candidate more closely aligned with your thoughts.


User currently offlineAsturias From Spain, joined Apr 2006, 2148 posts, RR: 16
Reply 11, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 3439 times:

Quoting mainMAN (Reply 9):
Sorry did you misinterpret what I wrote?

Did I?

Quoting mainMAN (Reply 9):
I wasn't talking about UK politicians, although if you want to, worthwhile to know that our public servants generally don't get elected on the back of voter hatred and ignorance.

Don't know about hatred, but claiming your public servants aren't 'generally' elected on the back of ignorance is pretty difficult to believe. Blair was perhaps the very definition of ignorant.

Quoting mainMAN (Reply 9):
And in terms of "high and mighty" - thank you very much for the endorsement.

Holier than thou.

asturias



Tonight we fly
User currently offlinemainMAN From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 2097 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 3432 times:

Quoting Asturias (Reply 11):
Holier than thou.

Enough of the personal insults already. When discussing the ignorance and stupidity of homophobia and fundamental religion in all its most destructive forms, then yes, I may well be so.

Now tell me why you think homosexuals shouldn't have the same basic rights (to serve their countries etc) as everyone else.


User currently offlineeinsteinboricua From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2010, 3048 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 3427 times:

Quoting zrs70 (Thread starter):

I am disgusted by this. How could Texas elect him as governor multiple times?

Forget the content of the video. I can expect this from any Republican candidate. It's obvious they want gays to stay hidden and not give them equal treatment.

However, just look at the comment section...yep. Disabled. Makes you wonder how committed he is to criticism. I'd be worried if this man makes it to the white House. He might just send the FBI, Secret Service, and the ARMY after you if you ever dare insult him. If a candidate isn't even willing to let people express themselves about the content (other than the like/dislike bar), in my view, that candidate is not worthy of being in ANY office.

Speaking about war on religion, I've seen Republicans get altered whenever a Muslim party wins elections in a Middle Eastern country. Their reason? It will infringe on human rights, set religion as the source of law, and will bred hatred towards other nationalities (not to mention possible breeding ground for terrorists). Now I ask: is there really a difference between a Republican candidate and a member of, say, the Muslim Brotherhood, besides engaging in terrorism? Both seek to take away rights from certain members of society, both want to institute laws based on religion, both consider criticism towards the government as unpatriotic (or a sin) worthy of punishment...have I left anything else?



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User currently offlinelhr380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 3411 times:

Hmmm, 15,073 Likes, 538,490 dislikes.

Dont think people like him much


User currently offlineMoltenRock From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 3407 times:

Quoting lhr380 (Reply 15):

It's a desperation move. Perry had to attempt a "jump the shark" move to see if he could break out. Instead of a big boom, it went over like a turd in a punchbowl.


User currently offlinelhr380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 3397 times:

Quoting MoltenRock (Reply 16):
Instead of a big boom, it went over like a turd in a punchbowl.

You can say that again lol


User currently offlinesomething From United Kingdom, joined May 2011, 1633 posts, RR: 21
Reply 17, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 3345 times:

I don't necessarily believe that Perry actually believes in the message of this clip.. hell, he even used to be a Democrat until 1989.

Quote:
In 1987, Perry voted for a $5.7 billion tax increase proposed by Republican governor Bill Clements.[22] Perry supported Al Gore in the 1988 Democratic presidential primaries and worked in an unspecified capacity for Gore's campaign in Texas
~Wikipedia

Perry tries to pander to the ultra hard right wingers as he seems to have alienated all literate people. What else could he do at this point other than to foster his super conservative image?

[Edited 2011-12-10 05:47:17]


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User currently offlineluckyone From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 2167 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 3333 times:

Quoting ju068 (Reply 2):
It's simple, he got more than 50% of the vote.

The second time he actually won with only 39%.

Quoting lhr380 (Reply 15):
Dont think people like him much

Which would explain his single digit polling numbers. He's been through enough elections he should see that his campaign is circling the drain.

Also, um, what do Perry's comments have to do with "vials?"


User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21552 posts, RR: 55
Reply 19, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 3327 times:

There is no "War on Christmas". It's a creation of the religious right who apparently have some sort of need to feel persecuted about something (perhaps if they had actually been persecuted historically, such as the gay community or the Jewish community, they'd have a different opinion about it). If someone has the time to get that upset over someone substituting "happy holidays" for "merry christmas", they need to find a hobby.

Quoting photopilot (Reply 10):
While personally I think the whole "christian" thing about god, a virgin birth, and miracles is nothing more than a fairy-tale, he's completely entitled to say what he thinks and publish/broadcast his message.

You know there's not a lot to defend someone on when the best you can come up with is "well, he's got the right to say it." Of course he's got the right to say it - nobody's disputing that.

Quoting photopilot (Reply 10):
The only choice you have is to either vote for him or pick another candidate more closely aligned with your thoughts.

There's actually another choice: call him out for making himself look like an idiot.

Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 14):
However, just look at the comment section...yep. Disabled. Makes you wonder how committed he is to criticism. I'd be worried if this man makes it to the white House. He might just send the FBI, Secret Service, and the ARMY after you if you ever dare insult him.

He proposed reassigning government employees who didn't agree with him to middle-of-nowhere posts. Disregarding for the moment the fact that that's illegal, it's a very good example of the sort of vindictive guy he is.

Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 14):
If a candidate isn't even willing to let people express themselves about the content (other than the like/dislike bar), in my view, that candidate is not worthy of being in ANY office.

  

-Mir



7 billion, one nation, imagination...it's a beautiful day
User currently offlinesimonriat From UK - England, joined Jul 2010, 135 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 3324 times:

Are not the states known as land of the free?
Also isn't it written in one of the amendments (first I think), to the right of free speach.
Surely it is down to the individual if he/ she chooses to listen/ believe, isnt that what democracy is all about?


User currently offlineMoltenRock From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 3318 times:

Quoting simonriat (Reply 21):

Who's saying Perry doesn't have a right to say stupid things? When he does, others have that same right to point out the hypocrisy and ignorance of what he said. It cuts both ways, dontcha know.


User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21552 posts, RR: 55
Reply 22, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 3309 times:

Also, nice choice of jacket on the part of Rick Perry. Looks very rugged. Except, haven't I seen that somewhere before?



  

-Mir



7 billion, one nation, imagination...it's a beautiful day
User currently offlineltbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13073 posts, RR: 12
Reply 23, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 3410 times:

While we have a very open concept of freedom of speech as to government regulation, even more that found in some European countries, one also has to take responsibility for what they say with penalties for doing so. The best way to fight irresponsible and abuses of on's freedom of speech is for 'more' free speech by opponents.

Perry keeps saying things that makes him sound as smart as only an average 5th grader, but him and far too many persons are just as ignorant, insensitive, narrow-minded, borderline racists and religious bigots and are enough of the likely voters to win and hold elected office, that is all they care about.


User currently offlineozglobal From France, joined Nov 2004, 2716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 3391 times:

The current GOP candidates (except perhaps for Ron Paul who has integrity, but some extreme ideological positions and is probably unelectable) are genuinely evil people:

- They clearly do NOT believe the positions they hold
- They peddle hatred, xenophobia, homophobia and fake moral outrage
- If it were vote-worthy to demonize jews or women or children, they would do it in a heart beat
- Obama / Clinton's recent statements on human rights and gays persecuted has lead the GOP beast to smell blood and the opportunity to draw some with a little good ol' (fake) 1950's moral outrage and hate mongering
- They don't believe in Christ, not really. They are committing a very heavy sin: false religion, religion used a weapon against the marginalized, religion to bludgeon the scapegoat for honor at the temple
- Jesus warned of a very severe condemnation for the religious hypocrites. They should think twice if there is any real christianity in them...



[Edited 2011-12-10 07:42:10]

[Edited 2011-12-10 07:42:37]


When all's said and done, there'll be more said than done.
25 BN747 : When 'Hate & Discrimination' gets a cheerleader... ..attend Klan rallies to cheer them on too? ..it's America, we already know people have the ri
26 seb146 : Two different concepts. The most freedom a person can have is if they are heterosexual Christian white male. Yeah, except when it is convenient for C
27 something : Give the American people some credit.. In an honest poll, I don't think 20% of Americans sympathize with the spot, but not all 100% of American go vo
28 eaa3 : Why do people so often use faith to do and say terrible things.
29 kiwiandrew : Probably because they are insecure people, and that is what lead them to have a religion in the first place. People who are self assured don't need o
30 Fly777s : Because religion is a very powerful tool and has the ability to stir up the emotions of the masses... Perry is just another Christian with selective
31 XFSUgimpLB41X : for one- considering the way he debates, I don't think he is anti-gay. I think he expresses himself poorly at times, which has caused him to lose sign
32 Post contains links helvknight : A point made in this parody http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtFzuGeCfkc
33 1stfl94 : Excellent Response!
34 Post contains images MaverickM11 : Perry is everything I hate about Texas: big hat, no cattle--huge ego, nothing to back it up. His debating skills prove it; this ad proves it. But as p
35 Post contains images Superfly : ???? NO! ! ! Not everyone looks good in "tights". Is that the Brokeback Mountain guy? Rick Perry is a real fool for making this commercial. He'll dro
36 helvknight : Yep. He's getting the p ripped out of him left and right across the interwebs because of it. Like they say .. .. .. .. .. oops
37 Superfly : I wouldn't be surprised if he is gay himself.
38 usflyer msp : Rick Perry is an embarrassment to Texas and to Christians...
39 Maverick623 : Fixed. Remember folks, the civil rights movement didn't succeed overnight. "Separate but Equal" was overturned in 1954. Anti-miscegenation laws weren
40 type-rated : I've said it before and I'll say it again, Perry just does not get the concept of separation of church and state. He's just pandering to the religious
41 StarAC17 : Can we get one thing straight and understand that Christmas in terms of presents, lights and the Christmas tree have nothing to do with the birth of
42 kiwiinoz : I dont understand how the issues of gays in the military and celebrating Christianity in schools are linked. Are these not two seperate issues.....it
43 something : It's even more astounding that these deeply religious people are all in favor of the death penalty. But re: Christmas shortage. As others have rightl
44 Post contains images GBLKD : Well said. Again How can the Governor of Texas, a man who has overseen many executions and signed many death warrants call himself a Christian? Chris
45 N1120A : Funny, given that most of the "immigrants" that Americans complain about are most certainly Christian and celebrate Christmas, I don't get where you
46 Post contains images Rara : Amazing video. That'd make him unelectable pretty much everywhere in the world, except in Arab countries I guess. I must say those Republican candidat
47 DocLightning : Do you realize, that with the exception of Romney and possibly Gingrich, Palin would actually fall among the most centrist and best-qualified of the
48 Post contains images Rara : Yeah, it's amazing. If the left-wing was as extreme as the right-wing, you guys would have a fully-fledged Communist party now.
49 Zentraedi : Wait, isn't Pat Robertson the one who blamed US homosexuals for 9/11? Man...if HE is saying that the GOP is too extreme....
50 Post contains links MoltenRock : Yes he was. And yes, that does tell you just how insane, extreme, and nutz the wingnuts have gotten over the past 10 years. On the positive side, the
51 Post contains links and images Superfly : This has to be the funniest spoof on the Rick Perry ad. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cg1reOJV27w&feature=related
52 zrs70 : Actually, I think this is worse than the original.
53 Post contains links BN747 : Molten, the best Rick Perry parody ad yet... they're coming out by the minute! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0lfmCP8e6A BN747
54 tugger : When political affiliation becomes equivalent to a religion, trouble occurs. I think this is a big problem now in the USA where some people consider
55 tugger : There are some here who can't understand (or perhaps accept) the fact the world and the USA are realizing that an ancient doctrine of oppressing other
56 DocLightning : Not so much. I honestly think that Rick Perry is so arrogant that he believes himself to be a religious authority. Even if someone came up with rock-
57 kiwiinoz : I like the parody videos but they are still not as funny as the original, (except the shot with the Teletubby in the background is gold)
58 sccutler : I believe Governor Perry's candidacy has died a natural death. It is funny, though, how far many of you will go to invent unexpressed "hate." Governor
59 tugger : I am pretty careful to avoid "hate" as an excuse, I think people just learned the wrongs things, they were taught things by their parents, leaders, a
60 kiwiinoz : I forgot to mention there is an additional side benefit to this. You tend to spend most of the year eating some awesome festive delicacies from all o
61 sccutler : Penalty flag - excessive common sense!
62 Mir : There's no mandatory suppression of anything by law. A refusal to spend public money, perhaps, but that's hardly the same thing. -Mir
63 DocLightning : That man wants to do everything possible to make sure that I have no legal rights for the man I love. He wants to use the law to ensure that I cannot
64 sccutler : Again, not really advocating for Gov. Perry, but what has he done to "...make sure that [you] have no legal rights for the man [you] love"? I ask thi
65 Post contains links Mir : He's advocated for a federal amendment banning gay marriage (ironically, because he believes that it would preserve state's rights). http://www.frcbl
66 seb146 : I watched the Jesus of Nazereth response to Rick Perry on funnyordie.com and there was an interesting point: What did gays in the military ever do to
67 Post contains images luckyone : This isn't in the Constitution, but in the Declaration of Independence all MEN were said to have been created equal. Gays are certainly men. [Edited
68 Post contains images Maverick623 : Wait, are you advocating for the overturn of sexual harassment laws? Seriously though, in relation to this thread, there is no law that prohibits the
69 DeltaMD90 : I think most of you are getting the anti-homosexuality agenda all wrong (and by agenda it is a catch all word, not trying to argue semantics.) As some
70 seb146 : There is no law against speaking one's mind. Everyone has an opinion. We all disagree with those opinions. That is what this country is about. Howeve
71 BN747 : {red flag} Just like racism (generally speaking), you're excusing an inexcusable learned behavior - yes they many of them are 'hateful people...they
72 DocLightning : He has fought for and backed such a system. He has openly opposed any sort of rights for LGBT people. He took the NOM pledge, too. He has also openly
73 DeltaMD90 : We often disagree, and it is usually opinion based. But this is a FACT, and I have nothing to prove or disprove, I don't know you or anyone on this b
74 BN747 : No, there's much more to it that that. People are no more born in this world, 'knowing how to walk, talk, ride a bike and hate or dislike (which ever
75 DeltaMD90 : My point is how to approach some of these people. I will tell you that when you yell bigot or homophobe it pisses a lot of people off and they don't:
76 tugger : You're brave DeltaMD90, it takes a lot to admit you are wrong and then fully change and let the world know the path you walked. You're reward is that
77 luckyone : Well that's easy to say until you look at cases like Matthew Shepard, or that kid in New Jersey who jumped off a bridge because his privacy was gross
78 BN747 : ..that just means 'they already know what bigots means' and are happy with their wrong headed views. Look dude, hardcore StormFront or KKK haters wer
79 tugger : I don't think that is what he is saying or meaning. There is a big difference between someone who actively does something against someone versus some
80 BN747 : You need to go back re-read my post.. nowhere did I criticize DeltaMD90 for his past views, I did point out was why people come across the views they
81 DeltaMD90 : Please don't mistake my message for doing nothing--I have a desire to talk to others about it. I think a full force, angry, approach MAY in theory ch
82 BN747 : Whatever works for you fine... and it's good to see you're concerned enough in your circles to do something about antiquated attitudes. I'm not neces
83 DeltaMD90 : Oh, I'm not saying for people to wait for their rights, now is the civil rights era for LGBT IMO. I'm saying that I think it is ultimately faster to
84 BN747 : Yes it is as well as the continuing struggle for women's rights. I've never heard of this saying in my life. And I do not see the logic in it's embod
85 luckyone : They are both ignorant, and it is the ignorance that leads to fear and misconception, because people are afraid of what they don't understand. Yes I
86 DeltaMD90 : Military. Usually learning room clearing (start slow and it will be smooth and lead to quick, precise actions vs learning it sloppily and trying to d
87 Mir : I don't doubt that many people who don't like gay marriage are good and non-hateful. However, I have a hard time applying the same adjectives to thos
88 sccutler : Never defended the man, still have not - not my place to do so. Just trying to understand how some of the opinions here are derived.
89 BN747 : The Military uses both, I've been in the military - Basic is where you're told as a group 'not matter what your differences are..get over now! The ma
90 Post contains links kiwiinoz : I had a brief scan but couldn't find the answer. In terms of some Conservatives views of gays in the military, what specifically is their issue with i
91 Post contains images Rara : Nah, it's the threat of sudden buggery of the unexpecting straight soldier.
92 kiwiinoz : That's funny. I gues that is true homophobia. Sudden buggery is a very tricky thing to execute
93 Post contains images luckyone : Exactly...unless of course you're already more buggared than a gay street walker...which of course makes you wonder...
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