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Romney And Santorum: Molecular Neck And Neck  
User currently online2707200X From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 8804 posts, RR: 1
Posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1513 times:

The Iowa Caucus is ending in a cliffhanger between Rick Santorum and Mitt Romney. MSNBC reports at 11:45 EST with 96% returns that Rick Santorum has 29,051 votes and Mitt Romney has 28,938 votes with a difference of 113 votes and the closest approach with just 13 votes.

Rick Santorum and Ron Paul are the big winners in my opinion. This morning Santorum pooled in 3rd place with 15% and not long ago Paul was not projected to reach where he is now. At one time he lead early in the caucus vote tally.

Rick Perry is reassessing his campaign as of 12:00 EST.

As Mitt and Rick are tied at 25% one thing is for sure, it is anyone's game. Are you surprised by how the caucus went today? I sure was.


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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7978 posts, RR: 51
Reply 1, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1505 times:

Rick Santorum??? Ughhh, the guy who wants laws against anal and oral sex (in addition to all the obvious social conservative stuff)

What is this country coming to?



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User currently offlinethegreatRDU From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2311 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1483 times:

It's Mike Huckabee all over again...

Rick Santorum will not win because he has put all of his eggs in Iowa and has little infrastructure in New Hampshire but he has made a visit or two in SC

I must admit Santorum did look presidential tonight....

Bachmann and Perry are embarrassments...



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40070 posts, RR: 74
Reply 3, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1459 times:

Are the Iowa Republicans just playing a really bad joke?


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User currently offlinethegreatRDU From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2311 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1439 times:

It looks like Mitt Romney will take the W over Santorum by 14 votes statewide...


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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40070 posts, RR: 74
Reply 5, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1421 times:

Quoting thegreatRDU (Reply 4):
It looks like Mitt Romney will take the W over Santorum by 14 votes statewide...

They're still counting votes. Romney is ahead now by 8 votes.



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User currently online2707200X From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 8804 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1420 times:

The Republican Chairman of the Iowa GOP has called Romney with 30,015 votes vs. 30,007 votes, the winner with 8 votes above Santorum.


"And all I ask is a tall ship and a star to steer her by." John Masefield Sea-Fever
User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40070 posts, RR: 74
Reply 7, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1412 times:

Romney kicked Santorum's arse!

http://graphics.latimes.com/2012-election-gop-results-map-iowa/

        



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User currently offlinedxing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1399 times:

Quoting thegreatRDU (Reply 2):
Rick Santorum will not win because he has put all of his eggs in Iowa and has little infrastructure in New Hampshire but he has made a visit or two in SC

That's a good assesment. But now that he has come in a close second two things will happen. Money will start to flow in, and the Romney attack PAC will turn the blow torch on him. His only hope is that Perry and Bachman will give him their support and Perry will give him his money.

Paul is a one trick pony. Unlike Iowa he won't be able to pull in college kids from surrounding States that are on a school break after this point. The rest of his support is maxed out. Expect to see him fade quickly after this.

Do not count out Newt. He may have a second coming yet.


User currently offlinethegreatRDU From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2311 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1203 times:

Quoting dxing (Reply 8):

That's a good assesment. But now that he has come in a close second two things will happen. Money will start to flow in, and the Romney attack PAC will turn the blow torch on him. His only hope is that Perry and Bachman will give him their support and Perry will give him his money.

Paul is a one trick pony. Unlike Iowa he won't be able to pull in college kids from surrounding States that are on a school break after this point. The rest of his support is maxed out. Expect to see him fade quickly after this.

Do not count out Newt. He may have a second coming yet.

The thing is Mitt Romney did not even try as hard as he could for Iowa....he had only 5 full-time staffers as compared with 52 in 08.....and he still gets the W

Ron Paul has money and organization...he should do strong in NH but Florida will be his last stand where its make or break....

Everything Newt does will be good for Santorum, Newt wants Romney's blood and I don't even think deep down he wants to be president...he just wants to see Romney fail...



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User currently offlinedxing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1202 times:

Quoting thegreatRDU (Reply 10):
Ron Paul has money and organization...he should do strong in NH but Florida will be his last stand where its make or break....

But the big difference will be, as I said, the support he got from outside intervention in the form of students on break will not be there in NH or beyond. I doubt he will do well in SC either. His biggest threat is to go third party and hand the election to the President as Ross Perot did for President Clinton.


User currently offlinethegreatRDU From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2311 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1189 times:

Quoting dxing (Reply 11):
But the big difference will be, as I said, the support he got from outside intervention in the form of students on break will not be there in NH or beyond. I doubt he will do well in SC either.

Ron Paul did well among Independents and young people...exactly the same as Obama...South Carolina is predictable....but Florida is the state to watch simply because of the amount of money and resources it takes to wage a campaign and it's where the votes are



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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7978 posts, RR: 51
Reply 12, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1158 times:

Quoting dxing (Reply 11):
His biggest threat is to go third party and hand the election to the President as Ross Perot did for President Clinton.

He has stated many times he doesn't want to, so I don't think he would. He is kind of shady about it. There are many people, however (probably myself included) that are going to support Gary Johnson / Libertarian if Paul doesn't get the nomination. Would this hand the election to Obama? Maybe, but my conscience cannot vote for someone like Santorum



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User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8478 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1149 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 3):

Are the Iowa Republicans just playing a really bad joke?

No. Iowa Republicans ARE a really bad joke.  
Quoting dxing (Reply 8):
Paul is a one trick pony.

Paul is simply a thorn in every other candidates side. I think the guy is simply on an ego trip and wouldn't accept the nomination if he won all the primaries.

Quoting dxing (Reply 8):
He may have a second coming yet.

Or third. Or fourth. Or fifth.

I tink Newt will continue to run and, especially, fight to keep Romney from winning.

When you think about it, that is where Newt can bring in the contributions - "protecting" the GOP from Willard.


User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7978 posts, RR: 51
Reply 14, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1142 times:

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 13):
I think the guy is simply on an ego trip and wouldn't accept the nomination if he won all the primaries.

What makes you think that???



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User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8976 posts, RR: 39
Reply 15, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1134 times:

Quoting thegreatRDU (Reply 9):
Ron Paul has money and organization...he should do strong in NH but Florida will be his last stand where its make or break....

Florida will be interesting, but last I heard, the GOP stripped Florida of half their delegates over a scheduling spat. It still matters, but only half as much.

The way Paul is pulling in independents and ex-Obama voters, it frankly doesn't matter how the vote turns out in Florida, you need independents and ex-Obama voters and Ron Paul will *definitely* deliver it.



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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7978 posts, RR: 51
Reply 16, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1134 times:

Quoting PPVRA (Reply 15):
The way Paul is pulling in independents and ex-Obama voters, it frankly doesn't matter how the vote turns out in Florida, you need independents and ex-Obama voters and Ron Paul will *definitely* deliver it.

I love Paul, but I don't see it happening in FL.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo...can_presidential_primary-1597.html

Maybe there hasn't been too much advertising going on there, but he is polling pretty poorly there. Hopefully Iowa and NH spark things up a bit



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User currently offlinesomething From United Kingdom, joined May 2011, 1633 posts, RR: 21
Reply 17, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1129 times:

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 12):
There are many people, however (probably myself included) that are going to support Gary Johnson / Libertarian if Paul doesn't get the nomination. Would this hand the election to Obama? Maybe, but my conscience cannot vote for someone like Santorum

I wish I could put you on an RU+1 list. No homo. Which, would soon be illegal anyway.

I am not quite sure why so much attention is paid to Iowa. Iowa is no way, shape, form or measure representative of the entire USA - in fact, I would say as a predominantly white farmer state the results out of Iowa are reflective of a minority at best.

http://blog.spreadingsantorum.com/



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User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8976 posts, RR: 39
Reply 18, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1116 times:

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 16):

Sorry, I wasn't clear - the part about definitely delivering is about the general election, not the primaries.

My point being, Paul is the best GOP candidate out there to win Florida comes November given how he rakes in the independent vote.



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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7978 posts, RR: 51
Reply 19, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1110 times:

Quoting something (Reply 17):
I wish I could put you on an RU+1 list. No homo.

Lol back at ya. Learned quite a bit from you  
Quoting PPVRA (Reply 18):
Sorry, I wasn't clear - the part about definitely delivering is about the general election, not the primaries.

My point being, Paul is the best GOP candidate out there to win Florida comes November given how he rakes in the independent vote.

Oh that makes more sense. I have my doubts now though, many think Paul is a racist. I'm not too sure what he was doing in the 80s, but his voting record seems to be raceless and even protecting minorities (he is against the death penalty because it affects the poor and minorities more, he states.) Also, he is for pardoning all non-violent drug charges, something that would help many minorities (not saying they commit more drug crime, saying they get punished more.) But there are issues like him being against civil rights acts--not because he is racist, but because he sees it as the federal government pushing laws on the states. Of course this is very easy bait for people, and I'd even argue the Constitution allows laws like this (the Constitution is what he bases everything on.)

In the general election, I agree, he probably would win against Obama if everyone knows his stances and no one mud slings him. But he is already portrayed as a kook, racist, and old, and I fear that is enough to turn many off. Plus the "Paulbots" on the internet have pissed many people off...

tl;dr his views would win vs Obama IMO, but his "baggage" (true or not) may cost him



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User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8478 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 1086 times:

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 14):
What makes you think that???

The guy has spent too many years being against something, not for building the country. He is also the most aggressive isolationist in my memory.

Basically I think he knows he would be a failure as President jun terms of international affairs and protection of the country. He would also find failure after failure when it comes to the changes he wants when it comes to butchering the government of the people.

Quoting something (Reply 17):
I am not quite sure why so much attention is paid to Iowa.

Because it is the only game in town for this one day. That means it brings in the money and related media coverage.

After this last round I'm thinking Iowa gets this political favor in order to help their economy every four years. Just a stimulus for them and a pain for the rest of the country.

Quoting PPVRA (Reply 18):
Paul is the best GOP candidate out there to win Florida comes November given how he rakes in the independent vote.

Paul has a problem with a racist past. He says he didn't know what was written above his signature. That's mighty queer for an MD who has written on tens of thousands of medical charts, prescriptions and doctor's orders. Sure, he wasn't aware of what was sent out with his name on it and the checks coming in.

And I don't believe Rubio would join him in order for him to carry Florida.


User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7978 posts, RR: 51
Reply 21, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 1084 times:

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 20):
isolationist

Sigh... there is a big difference between that and non-intervention. Funny thing is most people I talk to think we should pull most troops out from around the world but have a problem with Paul's policy... it is basically the same



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User currently offlineMD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8508 posts, RR: 12
Reply 22, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1068 times:

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 20):
Paul has a problem with a racist past.

BS. He isn't and has never been a racist.

What he's guilty of is improperly policing the content of his newsletter, which is far less damning than the mainstream media's smear campaign using those 20-25 year old newsletters against him.

Quote:
In the long run, the only way racism can be overcome is through the philosophy of individualism, which I have promoted throughout my life. Our rights come to us not because we belong to some group, but our rights come to us as individuals. And it is as individuals that we should judge one another.

Racism is a particularly odious form of collectivism whereby individuals are treated not on their merits but on the basis of group identity. Nothing in my political philosophy, which is the exact opposite of the racial totalitarianism of the twentieth century, gives aid or comfort to such thinking. To the contrary, my philosophy of individualism is the most radical intellectual challenge to racism ever posed.

Government exacerbates racial thinking and undermines individualism because its very existence encourages people to organize along racial lines in order to lobby for benefits for their group. That lobbying, in turn, creates animosity and suspicion among all groups, each of which believes that it is getting less of its fair share than the others.

Instead, we should quit thinking in terms of race—yes, in 2008 it is still necessary to say that we should Stop thinking in terms of race—and recognize that freedom and prosperity benefit all Americans.”

Ron Paul, ‘The Revolution: A Manifesto', 2008


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40070 posts, RR: 74
Reply 23, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1065 times:

Quoting MD-90 (Reply 22):
What he's guilty of is improperly policing the content of his newsletter, which is far less damning than the mainstream media's smear campaign using those 20-25 year old newsletters against him.

It says a lot about the company he keeps. Hence why White supremacist groups support him. Improperly policing the content of his newsletter also shows how incompetent he would be with his own administration. Just imagine the loonies that would slide through the cracks of a Paul administration.



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User currently offlinethegreatRDU From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2311 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (2 years 11 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1056 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 23):

Who do you like again?



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25 Superfly : Cherry Poppens.
26 Ken777 : Good excuse. Which is why I brought up the importance of a Doctor's Signature. You really believe Paul is that irresponsible with his signature? Espe
27 DeltaMD90 : I never get why people say this. It's like saying the democrat party is supported by the people that milk the welfare system (this minority of people
28 thegreatRDU : Just sayin.....hey are you gonna get on Santorum for the things he said about black people on welfare and not working?
29 Superfly : People are saying this because these White supremacist groups are supporting his 2012 campaign. I take it you're trying to challenge me to see if I s
30 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : I don't know much about Rick Santorum other than the fact that he seems to be an ultra-religious and looking rather extreme in his religious beliefs.
31 Post contains images Superfly : He is just a flash in the pan and will be eliminated very soon. He was a 2-term Senator and got his arse handed to him in a 18 point blowout in 2006.
32 Revelation : Reading this thread re-enforces the view that Romney wins on the basis of being the least objectionable of all of the GOP candidates, which is faint p
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