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Galaxy S2 Or IPhone 4S?  
User currently offlineAndz From South Africa, joined Feb 2004, 8451 posts, RR: 10
Posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 4323 times:
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I am due for a phone upgrade at the end of the month and it is time to move beyond my trusty Nokia E52.

I have tried a BlackBerry and I hated it, so I might as well make the leap to hyper space.

The last Apple device I used was a Lisa so I am completely inexperienced with what they can do today but the 4S video on apple.com is quite impressive.

Samsung is a washing machine company to me so what its phones are like is a mystery.

I have read comparisons online that lean one way or the other but neither seems th be the better device.

So, based on personal experience I would like some guidance... Samsung or Apple?


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User currently offlinetugger From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 5523 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 4318 times:

Quoting Andz (Thread starter):
I am due for a phone upgrade at the end of the month and it is time to move beyond my trusty Nokia E52.

One question: Why not the Nokia Lumia series and the Windows Phone platform? It is supposed to be excellent. The 800 should be available in South Africa?

Tugg



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User currently offlineLonghornmaniac From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 3290 posts, RR: 44
Reply 2, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 4290 times:

Andz,

What you are really comparing between the phones isn't the phones themselves, but the operating system: Android vs. iOS. Both phones are made well enough, and I've heard good things about the GalaxyS II. In the US, Samsung is a very well-respected electronics company, so don't worry about buying a Samsung phone. Fundamentally, it depends on what you want out of the operating system. iOS is designed to be very simple to use, but compared to Android its functionality is more limited.

For example, if you're going to be using it for lots of internet browsing, Android is a no-brainer because it supports Flash, which, for better or worse, is still highly utilized. Furthermore, Safari sucks, and Apple for now is at a disadvantage because it doesn't support it.

Android is also the better choice if you want or need more accessibility into the operating system itself. Android is open-source, which means with enough knowledge, you can tweak just about anything the phone does.

You also get unbelievable synchronicity in the Google world. If you use Google Mail, Calendar, or any of the other Google services, the functionality couldn't be simpler.

iOS is not without its positives, though. Its user-interface is simply the best on the market, and the ease-of-use puts it over the top for many people. Personally, I've never had any problem with navigating through an Android phone, but iOS does have a bit more...intuitiveness to it.

Another plus for the iPhone is the App Store. Android's offering is perfectly satisfactory, and almost all apps worth having are developed for both, however the Apple App Store is second to none in terms of apps available.

If you're going to be using your device as an mp3 player, the iOS software is lightyears ahead of the Android offering. Even the best Android music player (Power AMP, which has considerably more functionality than the iOS player) is "glitchier" and more prone to music skipping than the iPod software built into iOS. With that said, one of the cool things about Android is I can download a player that makes the interface look almost identical to the iPhone interface. It still doesn't work as well as the real thing, though.

As I said above, it really depends on what you want out of the device. I've found that Android plays better with Windows machines, and iPhones play better with Macs (this may be an obvious statement, but still worth considering). Either with work with either, but if you already have a Mac, the iPhone may be the way to go, and vice versa for Windows and Android.

My bottom line would be I think Android is a more-powerful, more-useful operating system, so I'd go with the GalaxyS II. This is entirely based on what I like out of a phone. I had an iPhone for 4 years, and while I liked it at first, its novelty wore off, and I became acutely aware of the limitations of iOS. It took them 3 hardware updates to allow landscape mode texting, for example. I couldn't count how many times I thought "I wish my iPhone did that." With Android, because of the open-source nature of the OS, chances are if I've thought of it, someone else has already done it. And because I'm not limited to apps from the Android Market (though this is carrier specific; each carrier can impose its own limitations on whether to allow 3rd party apps), said ideas/desires are pretty easy to find. As a result, I'm almost never finding myself wishing my phone could do something it can't. And the truth is, if I wanted to really tinker around with it, I'm almost certain I could.

Hope this helps.

Cheers,
Cameron


User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21442 posts, RR: 53
Reply 3, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 4294 times:

My view (your mileage may vary):

Samsung Galaxy:
+ tinkering with more details of the device configuration is semi-supported out of the box
+ higher number of "free" apps (including ad-supported ones)
+ can be cheaper to buy outright (subsidies may skew the picture differently, though)
+/– Google/Samsung generally prioritize raw number of features and special features over overall usability, quality and consistency
+/– OLED displays prioritize maximum colour gamut over colour accuracy and battery endurance
+/– bigger displays available, but not really usable single-handedly any more
+/– removable battery (less compact, less reliable, reboot required when swapping in another battery, but self-service easy when replacing after some years)
– delayed and limited update/upgrade support (sometimes shorter than usual contract duration)
– problematic security including various malware in the official app market
– quality of available software: low to medium; few high-quality exceptions; fragmented platform and frequent inconsistencies
– quality of available hardware: medium (plastic casings, mediocre OS integration)
– limited accessory ecosystem

Apple iPhone 4S:
+ all apps are vetted and validated; practically no malware threat
+ high security (including hardware device encryption)
+ quality of available software: medium to very high (first-release platform for nearly all mobile software; high quality standards for platform consistency and usability; quality is often to be paid for, but still cheap and ad-free; very many free apps still available as well)
+ quality of available hardware: high (glass+steel casings, highly polished OS integration)
+ very long and direct update/upgrade support (currently for 3+ years; immediate availability for all users; iOS 6 and 7 will certainly be available for the 4S, possibly beyond)
+ very large accessory ecosystem (some of it pricey)
+ FaceTime, iMessage and Siri can be really useful, as is iCloud (all included in purchase price)
+ good battery endurance for a smartphone
+ the iPhone 4S is an actually fully usable phone, including (but not limited to) a very good hands-free mode approaching the quality of high-quality single-purpose handsets (this is rare among smartphones!)
+/– unchanged 3.5" display prioritizes full and easy single-handed usability over maximum possible area (resolution is high enough so pixelation is irrelevant)
+/– Apple generally prioritizes overall usability, quality and consistency over raw number of features and special features
+/– LCD IPS display prioritizes colour accuracy and battery endurance over maximum colour gamut
+/– iTunes is recommended as the official interface to the iPhone from your computer, but is no longer required since iOS 5
+/– fixed battery (more compact, more reliable, no rebooting when connecting an add-on battery pack; replacement (usually) requires servicing)
– can be more expensive to buy outright (subsidies may skew the picture differently, though)
– strict supervision of the platform by Apple also limits availability of specific solutions in some cases
– tinkering with device configuration beyond the official settings is not supported (inofficial ways exist, but will compromise security features)

Both devices are fundamentally viable options and neither is definitively "better" in each and every possible respect; I have my own priorities which have led me to the iPhone and others have chosen Androids, but your own priorities will be decisive in which one will be best for you.


User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21442 posts, RR: 53
Reply 4, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 4274 times:

Quoting Longhornmaniac (Reply 2):
For example, if you're going to be using it for lots of internet browsing, Android is a no-brainer because it supports Flash, which, for better or worse, is still highly utilized. Furthermore, Safari sucks, and Apple for now is at a disadvantage because it doesn't support it.

With Flash progressively being supplanted by HTML5 this is mostly a marginal and time-limited issue. I very rarely come across Flash content on my iPhone or iPad where i'd actually need Flash (most is just blinking and jiggling ads which I'm glad to miss). One thing to remember is that when you've got Flash installed, many web sites will switch away from the HTML5 they've already got and will insist on pushing Flash to you, while I'll see the HTML5 served to iOS.

Flash for Android has been officially end-of-lifed by Adobe as well, so it's a diminishing and time-limited advantage (if any), not least looking at the real-world performance and (often lack of) functionality under Android.

Quoting Longhornmaniac (Reply 2):
As I said above, it really depends on what you want out of the device. I've found that Android plays better with Windows machines, and iPhones play better with Macs (this may be an obvious statement, but still worth considering).

Since iOS 5 you can use the iDevices completely without a computer as well if you want. It is your own choice whether you want to use iTunes to interface with them.

Quoting Longhornmaniac (Reply 2):
As a result, I'm almost never finding myself wishing my phone could do something it can't.

I don't doubt that, but I can say the same about my iPhone. It depends on what your priorities are.

I have no problem with the rest of your statements from a different perspective.


User currently offlineLonghornmaniac From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 3290 posts, RR: 44
Reply 5, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 4268 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 4):

With Flash progressively being supplanted by HTML5 this is mostly a marginal and time-limited issue. I very rarely come across Flash content on my iPhone or iPad where i'd actually need Flash (most is just blinking and jiggling ads which I'm glad to miss). One thing to remember is that when you've got Flash installed, many web sites will switch away from the HTML5 they've already got and will insist on pushing Flash to you, while I'll see the HTML5 served to iOS.

I had a feeling I'd be hearing from you in this thread, Klaus!   

As far as that statement, while I agree Flash is dying a slow death, this is still a transition that will take several years. Jobs was right on about the issues that Flash has, and correctly predicted the move to HTML5. In the interim, however, he alienated quite a few people, me included, by not building in Flash browser support.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 4):
Since iOS 5 you can use the iDevices completely without a computer as well if you want. It is your own choice whether you want to use iTunes to interface with them.

Indeed, though I stand by my statement that an Apple device will inherently "play nicer" with other Apple devices.

Overall, you gave a pretty solid summary yourself from the "evil" point of view!   

Cheers,
Cameron


User currently offlineAndz From South Africa, joined Feb 2004, 8451 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 4264 times:
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Thanks guys I am going to read your replies in detail when I have a bit more time.

Quoting tugger (Reply 1):
Why not the Nokia Lumia series and the Windows Phone platform?

I have been a Nokia user since 1996 but my "trusty" E52 has been erratic recently and has put me off Nokia. The service guys have bent over backwards to help me but the phone (and its warranty replacement which I got in November and is now also in with exactly the same problems) has been a disappointment recently.



After Monday and Tuesday even the calendar says WTF...
User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2391 posts, RR: 21
Reply 7, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 4250 times:

Quoting Andz (Reply 6):
I have been a Nokia user since 1996 but my "trusty" E52 has been erratic recently and has put me off Nokia. The service guys have bent over backwards to help me but the phone (and its warranty replacement which I got in November and is now also in with exactly the same problems) has been a disappointment recently.

Read some more reviews of the Lumia 800 before you make a final decision. My girlfriend owns the Lumia 800 and it feels extremely solid and well built. Another plus about is that it is built in Finland and not by some underpaid labourers in Asia.
It is a very fast phone.

The only downside to Windows Phone is that the appstore is 'only' a little over 50.000 apps so far, but personally I am not really missing any apps (using an Omnia 7 myself). However, I think WP7.5 seems even more fluid than iOS. It just runs extremely well.

Other than that, you have to make up your mind. Do you like to (a) tweak a phone with customizable widgets, etc. or (b) do you want your phone to just work?

if a, then go for Android - if b, then go for iOS or WP7

[Edited 2012-01-09 12:04:09]

User currently offlineracko From Germany, joined Nov 2001, 4856 posts, RR: 20
Reply 8, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 4221 times:

All personal opinion:

- Compare the displays next to each other to form an honest opinion. In my personal opinion, Super-AMOLED+ (SGS2) is vastly superior, including color accuracy. Just make sure to have the "normal/natural" display mode enabled, as the dynamic mode will indeed give over-saturated colors (candy look). Some people like it, I don't. Pay special attention to black, as LCD displays aren't capable of displaying black whereas with an Super-AMOLED+ in low-light situations you can't tell where the display stops and the case begins. It's mighty impressive and a no-brainer, especially when you see the two displays next to each other, in my opinion.

- Price: I don't know about the situation in South Africa, but in Germany the price difference is staggering:

Samsung Galaxy S2 (24 month warranty included): 440€ (amazon)
Apple iPhone 4S (24 month warranty included): 700€ (apple.de)

I personally see absolutely no justification for a 60% premium Apple charges.

- Form follows function vs. function follows form

The iPhone 4S champions form over function and therefore looks better, but you have to be aware of the compromises you have to make because of that:

- Using glass for the front and the back doesn't give you haptic feedback when grabbing your phone without looking. Together with the symmetry your chance of holding your phone in the correct direction when grabbing it without eye contact is 1 out of 4 (front, back, correct orientation, upside down), whereas with the SGS2 you can feel instantly where's what on your phone (glass front, plastic back, small bulge at the bottom of the phone).

- Fall survivability: While modern smartphones all use scratch-resistant glass (gorilla glass), that glass unfortunately isn't crack-resistant. That's why you usually see a protective "lip" around the display of phones, which takes the energy of the impact and guides it into the casing rather than the display. The iPhone 4S does not have such a lip, neither on the front, nor on the back. If you drop your iPhone on any semi-solid ground, chances are you're gonna need new glass. A new display runs you ~100€ in an Apple store according to the rantings of a co-worker.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 3):
+/– OLED displays prioritize maximum colour gamut over colour accuracy and battery endurance

Have you actually seen a SAMOLED+ in action? The quality is amazing, including color accuracy. There's a reason why the whole marketing including high-end TVs are moving towards OLED technology. Battery life of the SGS2 is ok. You won't get better than ok from any modern smartphone.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 3):
+/– bigger displays available, but not really usable single-handedly any more

Unless you have really, really tiny hands, I just don't see the issue. I use my SGS2 with one hand every day, especially when quickly replying to a SMS or just quickly checking something. Absolutely no issue. Please don't mix up the Samsung Galaxy S2 Andz asked about with the Galaxy Note, which is significantly larger.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 3):
+/– removable battery (less compact, less reliable, reboot required when swapping in another battery, but self-service easy when replacing after some years)

Less compact? The phone is insanely thin. Less reliable? In ~16 years of mobile phone usage the one thing that has never failed are the electric contacts between the battery and the phone.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 3):
– delayed and limited update/upgrade support (sometimes shorter than usual contract duration)

The SGS2 will receive Android 4.0 in Q1 2012 and Samsung has publicly pledged to provide updates for at least 18 months.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 3):
– quality of available software: low to medium; few high-quality exceptions; fragmented platform and frequent inconsistencies

Sorry, but that's just not true. There's tons and tons of great apps available, and I never had the issue of settling for a mediocre app because there wasn't a quality one available. Might have been true 2 years ago, isn't true anymore.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 3):
– quality of available hardware: medium (plastic casings, mediocre OS integration)

What exactly is wrong with the build quality of the SGS2? It feels very nice in your hand, nothing jiggles.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 3):
+ very long and direct update/upgrade support (currently for 3+ years; immediate availability for all users; iOS 6 and 7 will certainly be available for the 4S, possibly beyond)

It should be noted that while Apple does update the version number of the OS, older phones don't always get all the features of an OS update. Apple likes to reserve some for the new phones, Siri being the most prominent example.
And there's also the question of whether just because a phone could be updated it should be updated, as a 2-year old phone simply lacks the necessary hardware power, see for example the horrible performance of iOS4 on the iPhone 3G.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 3):
+ the iPhone 4S is an actually fully usable phone, including (but not limited to) a very good hands-free mode approaching the quality of high-quality single-purpose handsets (this is rare among smartphones!)

So is the SGS2.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 3):
+ good battery endurance for a smartphone

What's the status of the iPhone's battery problems? Last I heard was that it was fixed for some with an update, while others where still getting terrible battery life.


User currently offlineracko From Germany, joined Nov 2001, 4856 posts, RR: 20
Reply 9, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 4214 times:

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 7):
Another plus about is that it is built in Finland and not by some underpaid labourers in Asia.

The Samsung Galaxy S2 is made in South Korea (phone) and Japan (battery), which both have vastly better working conditions than the infamous "suicide factories" (Workers keep jumping out of the windows while working here? Solution: install nets below the windows. Sounds like satire, actually happened) of Foxconn.in China, where the iPhone 4S is made.

Giving Windows Phone a closer look is indeed worth it though, well-thought out OS, looks nice and it'll probably establish itself, as RIM and HP have more or less surrendered the phone market. There's enough space for 3 different smartphone OS.


User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2391 posts, RR: 21
Reply 10, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 4210 times:

Quoting racko (Reply 9):
The Samsung Galaxy S2 is made in South Korea (phone) and Japan (battery), which both have vastly better working conditions than the infamous "suicide factories" (Workers keep jumping out of the windows while working here? Solution: install nets below the windows. Sounds like satire, actually happened) of Foxconn.in China, where the iPhone 4S is made.

True - the comment was mostly aimed against Apple  
Quoting racko (Reply 8):

Quoting Klaus (Reply 3):
+/– OLED displays prioritize maximum colour gamut over colour accuracy and battery endurance

Have you actually seen a SAMOLED+ in action? The quality is amazing, including color accuracy. There's a reason why the whole marketing including high-end TVs are moving towards OLED technology. Battery life of the SGS2 is ok. You won't get better than ok from any modern smartphone

I can only agree with Racko here. My Omnia 7 has a Super Amoled screen. The battery easily lasts for 48 hours with a low to medium usage.. at heavy usage, I have never experienced running out of battery in less than a full days length.
This could partly be because of WP7 which is programmed very well it seems, but with Super Amoled displays, no power is used to display black colour.

[Edited 2012-01-09 12:51:08]

User currently onlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15735 posts, RR: 27
Reply 11, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 4191 times:

Quoting Andz (Thread starter):
So, based on personal experience I would like some guidance... Samsung or Apple?

I have a Samsung Nexus S and I highly recommend it. Android is the best software you could ask for and the hardware is solid.

Quoting Longhornmaniac (Reply 2):
You also get unbelievable synchronicity in the Google world. If you use Google Mail, Calendar, or any of the other Google services, the functionality couldn't be simpler.

I'm sure I've mentioned this before, but last summer I transitioned from a Droid to the Nexus S. I turned on the new phone, entered my GMail login, and all of my emails and contacts instantly transferred. And then all of the apps from my old phone cued up to download onto my new phone. The entire thing was seamless because it was backed up on GMail.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 3):
– delayed and limited update/upgrade support (sometimes shorter than usual contract duration)
– problematic security including various malware in the official app market

I've never had issues with that. The only problem with updates and upgrades is that some of the latest and greatest software won't be compatible with some of the lower range phones. With a Galaxy S2 this shouldn't be an issue though.



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26444 posts, RR: 75
Reply 12, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 4173 times:

How about a Galaxy Nexus?


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User currently offlineBirdwatching From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 3821 posts, RR: 51
Reply 13, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4166 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 12):
How about a Galaxy Nexus?

Exactly. I'm probably getting this next week to replace my first-generation Galaxy. It looks like one awesome phone.
http://www.google.de/nexus/

Soren   



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User currently offlinesrqmuc From Germany, joined Jun 2010, 58 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4147 times:

Great that someone mentioned the Galaxy Nexus as I am also searching for a new phone to replace my first gen iPhone which needs to be replaced really badly! So far I am stuck between the iPhone 4s and the Google Nexus and hoping for a rich discussion in this thread about the iPhone and the Nexus :P

User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26444 posts, RR: 75
Reply 15, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4148 times:

Quoting srqmuc (Reply 14):
So far I am stuck between the iPhone 4s and the Google Nexus and hoping for a rich discussion in this thread about the iPhone and the Nexus

Here's Klaus' part:

APPLE RULES.

 

Love you Klaus-y



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User currently offlinecanoecarrier From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2839 posts, RR: 12
Reply 16, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4138 times:

Fair disclosure here, I'm an android user with a Droid and in the market for another android based phone. However, the Mrs. was an early adopter of all things i-related and I get to use them all the time.

Quoting Andz (Thread starter):
Samsung is a washing machine company to me so what its phones are like is a mystery.

To be fair, I used to work in the same building that Samsung has office space in Bellevue, WA. I only saw cell phone testing, no washing machines. GE makes washing machines too, but also jet engines.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 4):
Since iOS 5 you can use the iDevices completely without a computer as well if you want. It is your own choice whether you want to use iTunes to interface with them.

One of the best changes associated with iOS 5!

Quoting Longhornmaniac (Reply 2):
You also get unbelievable synchronicity in the Google world. If you use Google Mail, Calendar, or any of the other Google services, the functionality couldn't be simpler.

True, however Apple has a much smoother interface with the iTunes store than Google Market does.

Quoting Longhornmaniac (Reply 2):
Another plus for the iPhone is the App Store. Android's offering is perfectly satisfactory, and almost all apps worth having are developed for both, however the Apple App Store is second to none in terms of apps available.
Quoting racko (Reply 8):

Sorry, but that's just not true. There's tons and tons of great apps available, and I never had the issue of settling for a mediocre app because there wasn't a quality one available. Might have been true 2 years ago, isn't true anymore.

I agree with racko here. For the needs of a vast majority of users the Apps available in the iTunes App Market are also
available through the android market. To date I can count on one hand the number of apps I've wanted as a casual app user that was available on the iTunes Market and not available in the android market.

More recently I have a Kindle Fire, that runs off an Android operating system. The Mrs. will often buy the same app and visa versa for her iPad so we can play with our kid on it. I've never had a problem finding one that she uses on her iPad.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 11):
I have a Samsung Nexus S and I highly recommend it. Android is the best software you could ask for and the hardware is solid.

This will probably be my next phone purchase. I did like the Samsung Nexus in the store and it was voted one of the best if not the best Android phone in the US. For what I would use it for it does everything the iPhone would do. Skype, camera, Outlook, scheduling, apps, etc. All I would want.



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User currently offlineZentraedi From Japan, joined Jun 2007, 660 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4129 times:

I'd also consider the LG Optimus LTE if I were you.

I've been debating between an iPhone 4S, Galaxy S II LTE, or Optimus LTE.

After spending half an hour with the both of those Andriod phones, the Galaxy S II LTE has some nicer interface touches, but the display on the Optimus is much nicer.


User currently offlineBlueElephant From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 1813 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4120 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 12):
How about a Galaxy Nexus?
Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 13):
Exactly. I'm probably getting this next week to replace my first-generation Galaxy. It looks like one awesome phone.
http://www.google.de/nexus/

I purchased this phone back in December when it was released in the U.S. I've been a user for just under a month. That being said, (slight bias here) I think it's the best phone in the world at the moment. A number of my friends who have the iPhone 4S feel that as the novelty of Siri wears off, its just another iPhone, and despite all of their changes to the OS its still not as good as Android 4.0 (ICS).

Let me first lay out the bad points - The battery life sucks and the phone is pretty big. I am usually at a desk for most of the day and so i keep my phone near a plug point almost the time. I've got about 12 hours of use on the battery. I think iPhone is about the same. The phone being big is true, but it's very light and does fit in my pocket.

The good parts - It's really fast, lighter than an iPhone (considerably- even though I've got a 4G antenna which made it quite heavier), and I LOVe the interface. I like android becasue of the widgets that put everything in front of you. I can look at my calendar and email at the same time without opening any application. This allows me to multitask way more efficiently. With Apple, you have to open one application at a time, whereas with widgets you can look at things more easily. I also have an app for Google Reader, which puts all of my feeds in one place, I can view my calendar, my email, and all the days news within two swipes of my finger.

The Galaxy S2 is probably great as well, and as far as I know it's getting ICS as well. So you should be ok.

I'd go Android in any case.


User currently offlineRara From Germany, joined Jan 2007, 2079 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4122 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 3):

   The spin-meister extraordinaire!! Note in admiration how Klaus appears to list pro's and con's of both devices, while carefully qualifying every single advantage of the Samsung and every disadvantage of the iPhone. Tweaks for the Samsung? "Semi-supported" - not just supported. Many apps are "'free'" (the quotation marks say it all). Can be cheaper (wink wink). Meanwhile, every disadvantage of the iPhone (can there really be such a thing?) is carefully put into perpective. Can be more expensive (only at full moon, mind). Locked-down system will limit possibilities in some cases!   

Also note that he includes the seemingly neutral +/- section - which really means disadvantage (in the case of the Samsung) or advantage (in the case of the iPhone).

Chapeau, monsieur!  
Quoting Longhornmaniac (Reply 2):

Good and balanced overview. I tend to agree.


My two cents: both are extremely impressive devices that are unlikely to disappoint. We are now at a point where Android has matured and the phones have become very similar from a technical point of view. More than ever, the choice of OS now depends of the philosophy behind it: do you want an open and customizable platform that is potentially more powerful, but takes effort and the occasional frustration to make full use of? Get Android. Do you want a near-perfect user experience, so polished it will almost never give you bad surprises, but will keep you in a walled garden where everything is overseen by Apple? Then iOS is for you.



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User currently offlineL410Turbolet From Czech Republic, joined May 2004, 5695 posts, RR: 18
Reply 20, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4116 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 3):
+ the iPhone 4S is an actually fully usable phone

If you hold it properly you can even make a phone call from the iPhone... amazing feature for a mobile phone isn't it?  

[Edited 2012-01-09 14:40:02]

User currently offlinecanoecarrier From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2839 posts, RR: 12
Reply 21, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 4106 times:

Quoting Rara (Reply 19):
My two cents: both are extremely impressive devices that are unlikely to disappoint. We are now at a point where Android has matured and the phones have become very similar from a technical point of view. More than ever, the choice of OS now depends of the philosophy behind it

Well, isn't that what most of these comparisons boil down too? I can respect Klaus's opinion as long as I take it with a grain of salt that he's an Apple person. There are people who use Mac products exclusively every day and there are those that have never used a Mac product. I fall somewhere in the middle and can see why people love them, but:

Quoting racko (Reply 8):
- Price: I don't know about the situation in South Africa, but in Germany the price difference is staggering:

Samsung Galaxy S2 (24 month warranty included): 440€ (amazon)
Apple iPhone 4S (24 month warranty included): 700€ (apple.de)

To be fair, the Galaxy and iPhone are much closer in price if you're a Verizon user here in the use. However, one could make the same price comparison between the Kindle Fire and the iPad. My wife literally could do everything she currently does on her iPad on my Fire, but the price difference isn't worth it for some people as it wasn't for me. But, people are willing to pay for the Apple brand (and it is a good product).

If you don't care about personalization and only want ease of use, go iPhone. If you like more control over what you do with your phone and don't want a "standard configuration", get one of the Android OS phones above.



The beatings will continue until morale improves
User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2391 posts, RR: 21
Reply 22, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 4106 times:

Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 18):
The good parts - It's really fast, lighter than an iPhone (considerably- even though I've got a 4G antenna which made it quite heavier), and I LOVe the interface. I like android becasue of the widgets that put everything in front of you. I can look at my calendar and email at the same time without opening any application. This allows me to multitask way more efficiently.

It works the same way in WP7, except it is called tiles instead of widgets and they are integrated into the OS, so no need for third party widgets.


User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8227 posts, RR: 8
Reply 23, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 4095 times:

Quoting racko (Reply 8):
I personally see absolutely no justification for a 60% premium Apple charges.

Not everyone has to pay that "premium".

Go for a iPhone plan and you pay far less. Free if you go for a 3. $99 for the 4.

Quoting racko (Reply 8):
The iPhone 4S champions form over function and therefore looks better, but you have to be aware of the compromises you have to make because of that:

Apple focuses on both form & function. They blew apart the smart phone industry with the core design and the current competition is following their lead on the user interfaces.

Quoting racko (Reply 8):
your chance of holding your phone in the correct direction when grabbing it without eye contact is 1 out of 4

I have 67 year old eyes and peripheral neuropathy in the hands and I haven't found it to be a problem. Nor have I on the previous 2 generation iPhones.

Overall I believe that the choice will generally be based on the software available and how it satisfies the consumer. The iOS used in the iPhone is also used on the iPad, another important factor over the next few years.

And, of course, there is also the concerns about the Samsung patent infringements.


User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2391 posts, RR: 21
Reply 24, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 4084 times:

Breaking news from CES in Las Vegas:

http://www.engadget.com/2012/01/09/nokia-900-is-real/

Nokia Lumia 900.. looks promising.


25 racko : They usually do. I'll happily acknowledge that there isn't a better laptop casing than those of the Macbook Pros/Airs. They don't with the iPhone 4(S
26 BlueElephant : The Mail, Calendar and News apps are all developed by Google, so they integrate well with the OS. Are a bit different. I chose android because I like
27 racko : A possibility I really like is the automation Android allows, combined with location-aware profiles. You're at work? Phone goes to vibrate automatica
28 BlueElephant : Motorola has already done this on a number of their Android phones, In addition to that, I think it also shuts off 3G/4G networks when it finds your
29 CXfirst : A couple things to add. Do you intend to get an iPad type device, do you own a Mac? The iPhone works very well with the iPad and Mac, so if I had one
30 Post contains images Andz : It isn't available here at this point in time. That was a tongue in cheek comment, I know about the range and quality of Samsung devices, and your co
31 Post contains images AirPacific747 : That's how it usually goes when asking a question on a.net... many different opinions
32 globalflyer : I just switched yesterday from an iPhone 4 to the Samsung Galaxy S II. So far I really like it although I am having a devil of a time getting my non-G
33 racko : (Just making sure) You need to use the generic e-mail client, not the gmail one. Or you can get one of various third-party e-mail apps from the marke
34 BlueElephant : For what it's worth, I also have a Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 - And I'm EXTREMELY happy with it. my two android devices play well with each other well t
35 Post contains images darksnowynight : I can't speak about iPhones, as I've always been android, and brick before that. I will say though, that my HTC G2 is probably about the best phone I
36 Post contains links racko : I've been initially struggling with the on-screen keyboard, until I tried Swiftkey X. The typo correction and word prediction works so well that it is
37 Post contains links Andz : I thought this was kinda funny... iPhone’s Siri swears at 12-year-old boy http://ph.news.yahoo.com/blogs/fit-t...i-swears-12-old-boy-102303890.html
38 Post contains links AirPacific747 : You should take a look at the 'Smoked by Windows Phone' contest at this years CES in Las Vegas. Apparantly you are able to win 100 dollars if your pho
39 OA260 : Dealing with these devices daily I would go for iPhone 4S . If I didnt have that then I would seriously consider the S2 as its a great contender.
40 Post contains images swissy : It depends on what you are looking for... User friendly out of the box, easy breezy good quality phone... then sure consider the I phone 4s. Sure not
41 corinthians : Excellent discussion. I have an iPod Touch 4 (essentially an iPhone without the cellular radio) and a Motorola Photon 4G (my carrier's version of the
42 VonRichtofen : I can't believe I'm saying this but after having a taste of iOS5 using iCloud and iMessages on my first generation iPad I'm going present my endorseme
43 Andz : As I expected this has been a great debate topic and I am glad it has remained civil and informative! I have taken the day off tomorrow and am going t
44 trav110 : I'm sure you have all the information you need to make an informed decision, but I'd like to share my experience with the slightly older Galaxy S. One
45 Klaus : The reputable c't magazine has recently done a comparative test of the major top-of-the-line smartphones (issue 26/2011, p.84ff), among other things
46 JJJ : Nobody mention that iPhones can't do a thing so basic as sending a file through bluetooth?
47 Klaus : Because they don't. Your prices are purely ficticious. Fresh from the source: Official german Apple price for iPhone 4S (16GB): 629€ Official germa
48 Klaus : That may be because hardly anybody cares about that any more. I've never had a situation where that would actually have been more practical than send
49 Post contains links and images AirPacific747 : iOS and Android got smoked by WP7: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQZww_C6Zgg
50 Andz : I went to our local cellular megastore yesterday and spent some time with the Galaxy S2, a Samsung Windows phone and an iPhone. They are all so differ
51 AirPacific747 : My girlfriend bought it from the German eBay website. You should be able to do that as well.
52 andz : Here's a question... can I connect either the S2 or 4S to a PC via Bluetooth then send and receive texts a la Nokia PC Suite?
53 garpd : Personally, I think the fact that Apple are sueing Samsung on the Galaxy phone tells me it's just as good if not better than the iPhone. I use android
54 Rara : Wait, what? I can't simply put a song on an iPhone and listen to it?
55 garpd : If you didn't buy it via iTunes, no.
56 notaxonrotax : Balls…….. You don´t have to BUY the song from I-tunes! You just have to put whatever song you already own into I-tunes……which takes "2 click
57 swissy : Agree, I am no tech guy... but I moved all the songs I had on my BB over to the Iphone via Itunes... no problem Cheerios,
58 garpd : Then everyone I know must be doing it wrong. One has an iPhone 3g, three of them have iPhone 4s and on has a 4s. Neither of them have been able upload
59 notaxonrotax : Most definitely. I mean, many friends around the world have I-phones and I-pod´s…….I personally owned 6 throughout my life, never a problem; eve
60 Braniff747SP : Having used both, and being an owner of an iPhone 4S and also having acces to the older Galaxy, I' Neither have I. 99.8% of my 10 gigs worth of music
61 garpd : Cheers for the offer. For now, I'm gonna go laugh in their faces as they've sworn blind they know what they're doing.
62 Post contains images Klaus : Come on, be nice! Normally you can simply drag any MP3 or AAC files into iTunes and they will also sync to iPods and iOS devices. What won't work wil
63 notaxonrotax : You are more patient than I am! I regret I offered it………. Let´s just enjoy our I-phones full of music and let strugglers……well, struggle.
64 seb146 : I have a Samsung Galaxy running Android on Virgin Mobile (probably my whole problem) and it seems to freeze a lot when trying to load Facebook or my e
65 Post contains images Klaus : Maybe so...
66 Post contains images aloges : Sometimes, the quality of the advice found online isn't beyond doubt... Perhaps your mates shouldn't try uploading files from MegaUpload.com or simil
67 Post contains links br076 : All very good arguments and such... but how about build quality .. CRASHTEST IPHONE4S vs GALAXY S2
68 Post contains images aloges : That's not exactly scientific. Anyway, if I had a phone with large amounts of glass in its case I would probably put some sort of "bumper" or whateve
69 Post contains images Klaus : These kinds of YouTube clips are of very limited use when comparing devices, since they are clearly intended to produce a specific result and for som
70 Post contains images mt99 : My iphone 3GS "silent" switch.. broke.. i cant silence it anymore Not sure if will be abel to hold of till the iphone 5 (sometime this year?) or brea
71 Klaus : The 4/4S has that one in steel as well. But you could glue it back on so far, or have the switch replaced (mine never broke in the 3GS). Depends on w
72 mt99 : When i say id "broke" i dont mean it fell off... Bu the contact behind the switch (inside the phone) is broken,. I flip the switch down but nothing h
73 AirPacific747 : About time, I'd say.. especially considering there are already LTE phones out there today.[Edited 2012-01-23 14:40:42]
74 Post contains images Klaus : Ah, okay. Might be the actual button then, indeed. The button assembly can be replaced separately from the motherboard, however, as far as I'm aware,
75 Post contains images AirPacific747 : I'll wait for the reviews of the Lumia 900 to determine whether or not you're right
76 Post contains links and images aloges : Apparently, you'll soon be able to use voice-to-text with the S2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4STej_rWlo Now, where have I seen that before..?
77 andz : hello... thread starter asked a question...
78 Klaus : Not that I'm aware of. Texting is tightly controlled on the iPhone, not least to prevent the kind of malware abuse that's become common on Android (s
79 andz : That's a real pity if true, I find it very convenient to be able to text from my PC.
80 ha763 : Yes, Android eats power faster, but to call the phones huge monsters because of the battery is just false. They are bigger because the screens are bi
81 Klaus : Then where is the iPhone-sized Android LTE device with a decent battery life if the screen size has no connection? It looks a lot like the bigger scr
82 Post contains links ha763 : I made no such claim on battery life and size. I readily admitted that Android uses more batter power than iOS. Adding LTE uses even more battery. Yo
83 Post contains links and images autothrust : Nonsense, you seem to spin things to your needs. Maybe you have forgotten to mention on Android Apps show BEFORE installation what exactly they will
84 autothrust : With the SG2 not a problem, you don't even have to install any software in a Wlan. Just start Kies Air and there you go.
85 virginblue4 : So explain why many Android users had problems with their phones are downloading an app with malware etc? I don't understand. My iPhone 4S has never
86 Post contains images aloges : People in glass houses...
87 autothrust : Because they are care-less and don't look what permissions the app will need? I know several people with Android and none of them had problems with m
88 autothrust : Have worked several times with Itunes even in the company i work. You can't even imagine what problems we had on the system Itunes were installed. Ho
89 virginblue4 : And with Apple you don't need to bother as you know the apps are all safe. It's not care-less it's just basic that the app should come without any so
90 aloges : You're right, I can't... because I have never once had a real problem with it - not even when I moved all my content from one OS to another.
91 Post contains images Rara : Yes, it's your safe and sanitized walled garden, where everything is overseen by Uncle Apple, who will make sure you won't ever see malware, or ladie
92 aloges : You mean like there is no Adobe Photoshop for Mac because it would compete with Apple's Aperture?
93 stealthz : Apple appear to have adopted a very different "no compete" strategy for iOS devices than for Mac. Having said that whilst PS is avail for Mac it is N
94 Post contains images aloges : That is true and I'm pretty ambivalent about that part of iOS. On the one hand, it does protect people from malware and lots of customers don't want
95 Klaus : Sure – you claimed there was no connection. "Exactly"? There are only very generic declarations which in many cases even IT specialists can only gu
96 Klaus : So which actual, real apps for Android which have no counterparts under iOS express an actually greater degree of greater freedom vs. iOS justifying
97 Post contains images Rara : Well, it has been pointed out to you that my statement referred to iOS, not Apple's desktop computers, which are not censored (yet). I'm not a basher
98 Klaus : And I'm in my upper fourties, a seasoned IT developer and I know very well that the level of validation Apple routinely does would be highly impracti
99 Post contains links autothrust : Wrong, it doesn't double the usable battery life.Iphone Internet Browsing endurance: 06:17 SG2 : 7:00 http://www.chip.de/artikel/Apple-iPh...-64_GByt
100 stealthz : Klaus... now you are pushing things. I have something like 100-150 conversations with cell phone users a day, guess which ones have the worst drop ou
101 Asturias : Overall, I'd recommend an Android phone. Hardware-wise the Android phones are better and more flexible, but it is on software that Android is the abso
102 Post contains links and images autothrust : Good one I just don't like the paternalism of Apple. Rubbish, most test have shown the poor connection quality of the Iphone. Also having Iphone and
103 Post contains images Rara : Weird, so how comes I never had a problem with malware or viruses? If I want an app, I search for it, I briefly look at the description and the user
104 aloges : I rest my case... good grief, you'd think I had insulted his family!
105 racko : Tasker. The iPhone display can not display black! It's as easy as that. It can't. There's no such thing as "black levels". There's black and there's
106 Post contains images Rara : "You" as in "one". I'd use it in English if I didn't sound like the Queen then.
107 Gingersnap : I've been using the iPhone for a number of years now. I have the 3G, 3GS and currently use a 4. Whilst I haven't had any major problems with it, a few
108 OA260 : There were indeed lots of issues with this , the 4S seems to be less prone to this judging by consumer feedback and the amount of reported issues to
109 garnetpalmetto : Likewise. Not once have I come across a piece of malware. To describe the Android Market as some shady bazaar with malware lurking around every corne
110 Post contains links elbandgeek : If I can just interrupt the Apple vs Google war for a second. Earlier in the thread, someone [very smartly] suggested taking the 3rd option of Windows
111 ha763 : I only talked about battery size and screen size. Other than saying Android uses more power than iOS and LTE uses even more, I never said anything ab
112 ABQ747 : I've never experienced a dropped call on my Verizon iPhone 4.
113 Post contains links and images planejamie : Having been an Android user and an iPhone user (and now sadly Windows Phone), I'd say get the 4S... giving up my 3G was one of the most stupid things
114 AirPacific747 : Which Windows Phone do you have? I just ordered the Lumia 800 myself. Regarding the apps; yes you are right but are you missing any major apps? I am
115 Klaus : That looks a lot like the silly "half brightness" metric some magazines use for lack of expertise or proper tools, which would mean 251cd/m^2 for the
116 Rara : There is some truth in that. After three years of use, my brother's 3GS is still as good as new, while my Milestone is quickly on the way to becoming
117 Klaus : By now they do; There have been very different times. Apple reported a raw margin of 44% this past quarter, not 50%. And "desirability" is not a free
118 Post contains links and images AirPacific747 : So what will your excuse be, when Apple eventually starts using OLED displays? And the fact that they some day highly likely will start using it, is
119 Post contains links Klaus : OLEDs have objective advantages (higher contrrast range / larger colour gamut) and objective disadvantages (much higher power consumption / relativel
120 autothrust : Funny how you dismiss facts from a well known magazine but spin your things without the slightest source. You don't believe that yourself, the bigges
121 Post contains images AirPacific747 : Still a better battery life than the iPhone on 3G then. And if you need LTE, you have the option to switch it on. The battery life is probably not ev
122 Post contains images Rara : If you want to know when features like LTE, OLED, near-field communication, 3D-screens etc. become mature, there is an easy metric: the moment Apple
123 Post contains images AirPacific747 : Yes of course! Everything is so clear to me now! I've seen the light!
124 Post contains images autothrust : Good one! That was really a pity. Not to forget MMS which were first mature on the Iphone. I'm enlighted too!
125 ha763 : Or 3G
126 andz : It was launched this week if the promo material all over the place is to be believed. Last Sunday I went to the Vodacom shop fully intending to get t
127 Klaus : Apple has always (since the introduction of USB with the Dock Connector) supported the regular USB-A connector which fits into all computer ports and
128 Klaus : It would still not be able to quick-charge the iPhone, though, since it won't supply enough power via USB.
129 andz : Thanks Klaus, I am still adjusting from being a 14 year Nokia user. Of course charging from the USB on my laptop is the easiest but sometimes at home
130 Post contains images Klaus : Unless it's a Mac (which supports an Apple-proprietary USB power management extension), it will only charge at the standard 500mA, though. Using the
131 Post contains links Klaus : Or the other way around: Apple adopts them when they feel they can provide an implementation which actually works so well in practice that it's actua
132 autothrust : What a load of rubbish. Copy and Paste is elementar and it is patethic to excuse it took apple so long until the 3G to implement it and it still work
133 Klaus : Just did: Tap-and-hold to select, then move the two handles to shrink or expand the selection precisely to what you want in real time, with a virtual
134 virginblue4 : Easy, I don't understand your problem?
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