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User currently offlineconnies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 4066 posts, RR: 13
Posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 982 times:

Any hockey fans out there ? What's your take on the NHL at the half-way point ?

For me:
- obviously, the Jets are a big story, probably doing a little better than most thought they would do, still a playoff possibility but they don't score much;
- Buffalo a big disappointment so far, several players really underperforming;
- Pittsburgh hanging in despite no Crosby and limited Staal;
- the Rangers emerging as a powerhouse -- will they be able to keep it up down the stretch ?
- the Leafs, although they have sagged a little recently, also in the playoff hunt, that's almost a 1st in living memory !
- ditto for Florida, perhaps spending all that money has paid off (although not so much in Buffalo);
- what is up with Ovechkin ?
- Calgary & Edmonton => looks like a trainwreck, Montreal not far off it

If I had to put $20 down on it, I think I'd still pick Vancouver and Boston again in the final. The Canucks look like they want to finish some business, the Bruins just look like a really solid, tough team, strong from goal out. I'd probably include the Rangers and Chicago as part of the final four.

Love to get a discussion going ...


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User currently offlineflykev From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2006, 1379 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 974 times:
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The Stars have had a pretty OK season so far - We started really strong however slipped and whilst we are still a play-off contender; time will tell.
The Ducks are a team that has fared much worse than expected: The firing of Carlyle, the sitting almost dead last in the NHL, certainly a surprise there.
St Louis have certainly managed to find the accelerator at last and they seem to be doing very well for themselves, especially after their rockier beginnings - obviously they are having to duke that top spot out with both Chicago and Detroit, who once again are icing both great teams and are incredibly fun to watch.
In the East I'm enjoying seeing Florida finally achieve something and its going to be interesting to see them in the play-offs.
What I will add to this season so far is my utter shock at how many coaches have been fired; who will be next?

Kev.



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User currently offlineFighterPilot From Canada, joined Jun 2005, 1373 posts, RR: 23
Reply 2, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 927 times:

For the first time ever I've actually followed this entire season and not just watched the playoffs. I've become a bit of a Jets fan and I am pretty impressed with where they're standing in their first season as Jets. I'd hope to see them in the playoffs as well as Toronto, but I'm guessing it's going to be one or the other.

Cal   



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User currently offlineairontario From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 548 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 925 times:

Being a Habs fan, I have no hope for this season. Half the players can't seem to be bothered to try, save for a few exceptions. (Cole, Darche, Price) The GM is an idiot, Cunneyworth, while thrown under the bus by the media isn't ready to be an NHL head coach especially in a market like Montreal.

It's going to be a painful spring.


User currently offlineWestJet747 From Canada, joined Aug 2011, 1830 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 910 times:

Quoting airontario (Reply 3):
Being a Habs fan, I have no hope for this season. Half the players can't seem to be bothered to try, save for a few exceptions. (Cole, Darche, Price) The GM is an idiot, Cunneyworth, while thrown under the bus by the media isn't ready to be an NHL head coach especially in a market like Montreal.

It's going to be a painful spring.

As a fellow Habs fan I feel your angst. It doesn't help that Montreal pays millions of dollars to players who spend all season up in the press box (*couch* Markov *couch*). Gomez definitely isn't pulling his weight either. It's beyond me why third liners are outperforming everyone else.

I sympathize with Cunneyworth. He was thrown into a bit of a shitstorm, and that is on top of all the sovereignists who find it blasphemous that an Anglophone is coaching a Montreal team. It certainly doesn't help either having a GM who is about as qualified as a house league coach.

It's only January though, plenty of time for a late-season playoff run.

Quoting flykev (Reply 1):
who will be next?

Patrick Roy, after he replaces interim Randy Cunneyworth in Montreal, becomes enraged at a bad offside call in his second game as coach, and then sends out 3 players to assault the linesman whilst giving everyone in the Bell Centre the double-bird....but that's just a theory...

Quoting connies4ever (Thread starter):
probably doing a little better than most thought they would do

Doind A LOT better than EVERYONE thought they would. Nothing beats a story about a team that returns to Canada and performs way better than expected.



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User currently offlineconnies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 4066 posts, RR: 13
Reply 5, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 889 times:

Quoting airontario (Reply 3):
The GM is an idiot,

Agreed. He has to be the next one to walk the plank, but after Gauthier, whom ?

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 4):
I sympathize with Cunneyworth. He was thrown into a bit of a shitstorm

Also agreed, Cunneyworth is in an impossible situation. As long as they don't try to cherry-pick Claude Noel.



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User currently offlinesrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (2 years 6 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 872 times:

Quoting FighterPilot (Reply 2):
For the first time ever I've actually followed this entire season and not just watched the playoffs. I've become a bit of a Jets fan and I am pretty impressed with where they're standing in their first season as Jets. I'd hope to see them in the playoffs as well as Toronto, but I'm guessing it's going to be one or the other.

I wouldn't get your hopes up just yet, as this is still pretty much the same Atlanta Thrashers team that collapsed the last part of the season and missed the playoffs yet again. Don't let the relocation and name change fool you, as I've seen it before with this team back when they were still here in Atlanta. I will say that their performance earlier in the season had me reveling in some sort of twisted delight, as I am a bitter former Thrashers fan. I have to say that some of us here in Atlanta got a bit of a chuckle out of the demand by some Winnipeg fans to urinal troughs in the men's room at the MTS Centre like the ones they had at the old Winnipeg Arena (I guess this was never an issue during those years the Manitoba Moose played in that building?).

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manito...al-trough-jets-arena-winnipeg.html

I've not really followed the NHL as closely this season as I had in the past as I really don;t have a team to root for and jumping on the Nashville or Carolina bandwagon isn't going to happen.

Quoting airontario (Reply 3):
Being a Habs fan, I have no hope for this season. Half the players can't seem to be bothered to try, save for a few exceptions. (Cole, Darche, Price) The GM is an idiot, Cunneyworth, while thrown under the bus by the media isn't ready to be an NHL head coach especially in a market like Montreal.

Cunneyworth is beyond ready to be an NHL head coach, and it was a bit of a surprise when opted to take an Associate Coach position here in Atlanta back in 2008 as part of John Anderson's staff instead of a head coaching position in the league (his name was mentioned for several openings that off-season). Unfortunately, he's been put into an untenable situation in Montreal. Many teams that fire a coach during the season will often promote their AHL head coach to the position unless their contract makes that impossible (I know that when Bob Hartley was fired in Atlanta, the Thrashers wanted to bring John Anderson up then, but the Chicago Wolves wouldn't release him from his contract.), so what the Habs did was nothing out of the ordinary.

Speaking of Bob Hartley, why not him for Habs head coach? He's currently coaching over in Switzerland (ZSC Lions) and is in the first year of a two year contract, but I think he could be persuaded to come back the NHL. He is bilingual, which we know is a must for the Habs and the supporters in Quebec.


User currently offlineairontario From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 548 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 843 times:

Quoting srbmod (Reply 6):
Speaking of Bob Hartley, why not him for Habs head coach? He's currently coaching over in Switzerland (ZSC Lions) and is in the first year of a two year contract, but I think he could be persuaded to come back the NHL. He is bilingual, which we know is a must for the Habs and the supporters in Quebec.

Honestly I'd rather hire Arno Del Curto, current coach of Davos. He's not your prototypical NHL coach, but his record of success in Switzerland can't be beat. Now I doubt that will happen. I've come to terms with the fact that the Habs will hire Patrick Roy once the season is over.


User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2804 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 834 times:

Quoting airontario (Reply 3):
Being a Habs fan, I have no hope for this season. Half the players can't seem to be bothered to try, save for a few exceptions. (Cole, Darche, Price) The GM is an idiot, Cunneyworth, while thrown under the bus by the media isn't ready to be an NHL head coach especially in a market like Montreal.

Cole is the good surprise of the season in Montreal. He is one of the very few stepping up to the plate. I like Desharnais too, but in general, they are all way to inconsistent to reach the playoffs this season.

I think it is high times they got rid of some players like Gomez (obviously), Gionta and Markov (will he even come back?) to free up some money from their huge salaries.

Gauthier is really crap as a GM. The Moslons should take their responsibilities and fire him.

While we are at it, what do you think about his latest trade move (Cammy/Bourque)?

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 4):
and that is on top of all the sovereignists who find it blasphemous that an Anglophone is coaching a Montreal team.

I'm not a Quebecer, but I understand people who want a French speaker to coach Montreal. The same way that I'd expect a foreigner to speak French if he was training my home team in France.



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User currently offlineairontario From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 548 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 828 times:

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 8):
While we are at it, what do you think about his latest trade move (Cammy/Bourque)?

Well I'd rather have Cammy still over Bourque. The media seemed to indicate Cammy didn't want to be here anymore, so I understand dealing him. I don't really buy that he didn't want to be in MTL anymore, i think his words were more frustration than anything. I don't blame him for saying what he said.

As for Bourque, he does bring something we're missing. More physicality in front of the net. While he's not as talented as Cammy, it's nice to clear up 5mil in salary.

The thing that gets me about this whole situation is that Gauthier still has a job. Everyone including him knows he's going to be let go after the season, so why would you let a guy who knows he's fired run your team? It makes no sense to me. Fire him, get your new GM and let him steer the ship the way he wants it to go.


User currently offlineWestJet747 From Canada, joined Aug 2011, 1830 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 821 times:

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 8):
I'm not a Quebecer, but I understand people who want a French speaker to coach Montreal. The same way that I'd expect a foreigner to speak French if he was training my home team in France.

All I'll say to that is that hockey doesn't have an official language, so the most qualified man should be hired, regardless of where this team calls home. The Habs have only two Quebecois players, both of which are fluent in English...and this number is less than some American teams! This is about being able to lead your team to a championship, not conversing with the media in their native tongue.

Quoting airontario (Reply 9):
The thing that gets me about this whole situation is that Gauthier still has a job. Everyone including him knows he's going to be let go after the season, so why would you let a guy who knows he's fired run your team? It makes no sense to me. Fire him, get your new GM and let him steer the ship the way he wants it to go.

        



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User currently offlinegarnetpalmetto From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5361 posts, RR: 53
Reply 11, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 815 times:

Quoting srbmod (Reply 6):
I've not really followed the NHL as closely this season as I had in the past as I really don;t have a team to root for and jumping on the Nashville or Carolina bandwagon isn't going to happen.

Come to the dark side, SRB. There's a ticket with your name on it and a pint of local microbrew of your choice.

For me I think the most interesting story going on right now is the impending showdown between the NHLPA and NHL. Now that the NHLPA has put the kibosh on the proposed realignment that was to take effect next year (thank God to that) I could see either some simple negotations come CBA time (Players will give on realignment if owners give on allowing player participation in the Olympics) OR some Cuban Missile Crisis-style brinksmanship between Fehr and Bettman. I pray for the former but given Fehr's reputation, I half expect the latter.

As for the 'Canes, their season is pretty much over - they might make one of their infamous late season surges but honestly I'd just as soon get a lottery pick and hope for Yakupov or Grigorenko. Thus far I'm liking Muller over Maurice. Lots of talk in town as to who gets traded at the deadline (Ruutu and Gleason are probably gone - Ruutu may reasign in the offseason though. Beyond that, Spacek and Allen are potentials to get traded) and what we'll get back for it. There's definitely a feeling of transition in the fanbase with some thinking it may be time for Rutherford to step aside and let Ronnie Francis run the show.

The other big ticket issue - concussions. It seems like so many top-flight players have been hurt this year and I've seen how it can completely change someone's life. I think something has to get done from a player safety standpoint.



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User currently offlineelbandgeek From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 753 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 812 times:

So among my two teams, the Hawks are doing pretty well. We've had a couple slumps but nothing too critical that we haven't recovered. We've had a few injuries but I've been really impressed by the way our call-ups from Rockford have stepped up. I'm still convinced that the majority of people in my fanbase have no idea what to do with two good goalies. At the beginning of the season I heard so many people complaining when Emery got a start but as soon as Crawford hit that little snag in November everyone decided to throw him under the bus and cheer on Emery. Now that's Crawford's back to playing well, people complain when Emery starts again, despite the fact that his record is almost spotless. It makes me wish there was a literal bandwagon so I could actually throw people off of it.

As for my other team, the Pens, it's not looking pretty right now. I'm amazed by the way they had been able to keep playing well even with all of the injuries earlier in the season but now it's just getting so out of hand. I can't remember when the entire core of the roster all played at once and it's obviously the whole situation is starting to take its toll on the team's morale. Staal busting up his knee again was pretty much the last straw. The good news is Crosby skated again today, although still no timetable for return it's a step in the right direction, and Letang might be back in as early as next week so I'm cautiously optimistic despite every indication that God just hates the entire ciy of Pittsburgh (see-Tebow)


User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2804 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 812 times:

Quoting airontario (Reply 9):
i think his words were more frustration than anything. I don't blame him for saying what he said.

No, me neither.

Quoting airontario (Reply 9):
get your new GM and let him steer the ship the way he wants it to go.

But who to replace him? Is there a name circulating?

Quoting airontario (Reply 9):
it's nice to clear up 5mil in salary.

It would have been better to clear up Gomez's salary... 
Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 10):
All I'll say to that is that hockey doesn't have an official language

I don't have legitimacy to discus this language problem as I'm not a Quebecer and it's anyway not the subject of the thread, so I'll leave it there. I understand your point, but I also understand why some people are angry about that situation.

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 10):
The Habs have only two Quebecois players, both of which are fluent in English...and this number is less than some American teams!

Maybe that's why they're not performing well   



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User currently offlinesrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 785 times:

Quoting airontario (Reply 7):
I've come to terms with the fact that the Habs will hire Patrick Roy once the season is over.

This could be ugly, and I mean ugly. Yeah I know he's been coaching in the Q, but looking at some of the incidents he has been involved with in the Q, that sort of stuff won't play in the NHL. In most sports, players that were superstars tend to not make good coaches.

Quoting garnetpalmetto (Reply 11):
Come to the dark side, SRB. There's a ticket with your name on it and a pint of local microbrew of your choice.

My hate for the Hurricanes is slightly less than my hate for the Florida Gators..... If I were to support a team in the Southeast, I'd be more likely to support Tampa Bay or Washington. My buddies in Calgary are trying to get me to jump onto their bandwagon as well. Right now, I'm a free agent and will likely to remain so for a few seasons. I've not even watched an entire NHL game all season, and the one I watched the bulk of was the Coyotes' home opener against the Jets (I was happy seeing the Jets go down.).

Quoting garnetpalmetto (Reply 11):
For me I think the most interesting story going on right now is the impending showdown between the NHLPA and NHL. Now that the NHLPA has put the kibosh on the proposed realignment that was to take effect next year (thank God to that) I could see either some simple negotations come CBA time (Players will give on realignment if owners give on allowing player participation in the Olympics) OR some Cuban Missile Crisis-style brinksmanship between Fehr and Bettman. I pray for the former but given Fehr's reputation, I half expect the latter.

I wonder at this point if the teams in the Eastern Conference are wishing they could have a do-over with the relocation vote or (to paraphrase a tweet from the former Thrashers official blogger) the Jets owners could exchange the Jets for another team using their receipt.....

Considering Fehr's history with the MLBPA, I honestly would not be surprised if we see 2004-05 all over again. Then again, folks thought that the NFL and NBA Lockouts were going to kill their seasons and both leagues were able to hammer out deals to salvage their seasons. The current CBA expires around the time training camps open for the 12-13 season, so I would not be surprised if the CBA gets extended to cover next season and would expire at the end of that season. Negotiations for the new CBA are supposed to start after the All Star break, and considering how the NHLPA shot down the proposed realignment, it doesn't bode well for talks.


User currently offlineWestJet747 From Canada, joined Aug 2011, 1830 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 781 times:

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 13):
Maybe that's why they're not performing well   

Touché!  



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User currently offlineTheCol From Canada, joined Jan 2007, 2038 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 776 times:

Quoting FighterPilot (Reply 2):
I've become a bit of a Jets fan

Me too. I would really like to see them make the post-season.

I could very well be Vancouver and Boston again in the final round, but Lou has to pull up his socks if Vancouver is going to have a chance in the post-season. Cory Schneider has really proven he's a first rate contender, the recent win in Boston is proof enough, and I think it's high time for Gillis and Vigneault to admit that they made a mistake braking the bank for Lou and put him out to pasture. Whatever they do, trading Schneider before the deadline will totally ruin them.

I'd like to see Toronto have a good run in the post-season, so Burke can see his hard work pay off again. I have mad respect for the entire Burke family. Their honesty, hard work, and integrity is a true testament the to spirit of hockey.



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