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Megaupload.com Shutdown, Operators Indicted  
User currently offlineALTF4 From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 1214 posts, RR: 4
Posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 2886 times:

Arrest warrants issued, 18 domain names seized, and the site shutdown for now.

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/201...edia&utm_campaign=twitterclickthru

Interesting development - especially with SOPA being so high on the 'heated discussion' list at the moment across the world. Many people arrested in New Zealand and Australia, and two more in Germany and one in Slovakia have been indicted as well.

Government going too far? Or is this an organized crime ring as they suggest? Megaupload is responsible for 1.5% of all illegal content distribution, according to some sources. That's a significant chunk.


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User currently offlinecrazyfoo88 From Canada, joined Feb 2005, 81 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 2877 times:

I use Megaupload to send large files for clients, and I am pretty pissed that this happened. This will be an interesting one for the courts.


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User currently offlinerfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 32
Reply 2, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 2803 times:

This has nothing to do with the debate over SOPA.

The ownership/ management of Megaupload knows full well that a significant portion of the content uploaded is illegal.

And they make money off those uploads.

That is criminal activity, even if they offer a valid service to some of their customers.

If you want to be upset - the names of the responsible people are in the linked article.

[Edited 2012-01-19 14:07:39]

User currently offlinesrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 2770 times:

Much like with a weed, there will be others popping up to replace this site. This is why SOPA and PIPA if passed and signed into law will fail. Whenever the Federal gov't has shutdown sites, they either reappear at a new domain name within hours or days (This happened last year with some sites that stream live TV on the internet.) or more sites pop up to fill the void.

User currently offlineAcheron From Spain, joined Sep 2005, 1672 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 2739 times:

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 2):
This has nothing to do with the debate over SOPA.

It actually does. If they were perfectly capable of doing all of this without SOPA and PIPA, why the hell do they even need them?.


User currently offlinesrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 2671 times:

Now they've gone and done it:

Anonymous Reacts to Megaupload Takedown With “Largest Attack Ever”

Folks are spamming the FBI's page on Facebook as well:

http://www.facebook.com/FBI


User currently offlineStabilator From United States of America, joined Nov 2010, 717 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 2643 times:

Rumor has it Alicia Keys' spouse is among those arrested. Interesting stuff.

Anyone ever watch Anonymous videos on YouTube? They're quite entertaining!



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User currently offlinerfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 32
Reply 7, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 2616 times:

Quoting Acheron (Reply 4):
It actually does. If they were perfectly capable of doing all of this without SOPA and PIPA, why the hell do they even need them?.

SOPA/PIPA are focused on something very different from this company/ group of linked sites.

These were the actual servers holding the illegal content, and a group of other sites trying to disguise who is actually hosting the material.

SOPA/PIPA are designed to try and find a way to control the ability to find illegal content quickly with normal search engines and other links.

Google and the other main search engines could easily write parameters into their data mining tools which would exclude sites like these which host illegal content. Google and their competitors don't want to do that even though they have the technology, presumably because it might cut their ad revenue.


User currently offlinerfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 32
Reply 8, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 2613 times:

Quoting Stabilator (Reply 6):
Rumor has it Alicia Keys' spouse is among those arrested.

His name is not on the list of people arrested/ indicted, though his position with the company certainly will bring him under close inspection.


User currently offlineStabilator From United States of America, joined Nov 2010, 717 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 2607 times:

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 8):

Odd that he is involved in the demise of his wife's industry.



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User currently offlineSR117 From Mexico, joined Jun 2000, 799 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 2547 times:

Quoting Stabilator (Reply 9):

Odd that he is involved in the demise of his wife's industry.

The music industry is the only one responsible for its troubles. Before there was rapidshare there was borrowing the tape or CD from your friend.

I buy the exact same amount of music as I did 10-15 years ago, the only thing the internet has changed is that I can thankfully listen to a much wider variety of music than I ever thought possible, and make my purchases according to what I want to listen, not what is forcefully fed to me on the radio.

The music industry has to adapt to its new environment, they're not the first nor the last business that has to adapt to new realities. They brought down napster and what did that change?


User currently offlinealberchico From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 2925 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 2524 times:

Many books and videos that I downloaded were hosted on this site. Hope that other sites pop up to fill in this void.


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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7931 posts, RR: 52
Reply 12, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 2479 times:

Quoting Stabilator (Reply 9):
the demise of his wife's industry.


Piracy is wrong, but it is not going away, and it will not destroy the music industry. If the industry makes $X million less, they aren't going to fire Kesha or the people that make her music (then they wouldn't make any money.) That $X million mostly comes from the RIAA's and MPAA's pockets. So I am a lot less sympathetic to the industry that puts ridiculous DRM on music, has different DVD region codes, forces people to watch stupid anti-piracy ads on obviously non-pirated DVDs, sues single moms for millions for 20 or so songs, and is trying to pass this awful SOPA / PIPA legislation.



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25754 posts, RR: 50
Reply 13, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 2466 times:

Excellent news!

People need to realize they simply do not have the rights to redistribute things which they do not hold legal ownership over.

One of America's most valuable assets is intellectual property, and it should be of paramount importance to go after the scrooge of people and companies that violate basic copyright laws and illegally host and redistribute materials which they simply do not have rights for.



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User currently offlinetu204 From Russia, joined Mar 2006, 1249 posts, RR: 18
Reply 14, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 2442 times:

Quoting ALTF4 (Thread starter):
Many people arrested in New Zealand and Australia, and two more in Germany and one in Slovakia have been indicted as well.

Who arrested said individuals in said countries? And under what jurisdiction?



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User currently offlinenighthawk From UK - Scotland, joined Sep 2001, 5166 posts, RR: 33
Reply 15, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 2412 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 13):
People need to realize they simply do not have the rights to redistribute things which they do not hold legal ownership over.

When copying a piece of work is so easy that it can be done with just 2 key strokes, you need to start thinking just how much that piece of work is really worth.

DRM and constantly suing anyone who re-distributes the material just isn't working. It's time the music industry woke up and realised that the current business model is just not viable any more. A new model is required.



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User currently offlineCXB77L From Australia, joined Feb 2009, 2641 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (2 years 9 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2373 times:
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Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 2):
This has nothing to do with the debate over SOPA.

The ownership/ management of Megaupload knows full well that a significant portion of the content uploaded is illegal.

And they make money off those uploads.

That is criminal activity, even if they offer a valid service to some of their customers.

If you want to be upset - the names of the responsible people are in the linked article.

  

This is excellent news. I hope the people indicted over this gets the proverbial book thrown at them, if convicted.



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User currently offlineStarAC17 From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 3385 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (2 years 9 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2367 times:

Quoting nighthawk (Reply 15):
Quoting LAXintl (Reply 13):
People need to realize they simply do not have the rights to redistribute things which they do not hold legal ownership over.

When copying a piece of work is so easy that it can be done with just 2 key strokes, you need to start thinking just how much that piece of work is really worth.

DRM and constantly suing anyone who re-distributes the material just isn't working. It's time the music industry woke up and realised that the current business model is just not viable any more. A new model is required.

While I understand it isn't right to pirate things. This is like the war on drugs and piracy should not be criminal it will just be a waste of money to enforce criminally because the hackers will be one step ahead always especially how fast things run on the Internet. I know this sucks for some but it is reality and we all need to adapt to it, consider it business evolution.

Also if the government pisses off enough Internet users there are enough hackers along with Anonymous out there that could get into countless government servers and do whatever they please in them. Now if you do that then you should go to jail but sending torrents around while not right shouldn't be something that should warrant jail.

This potentially can spark what some have said will be what 21st century terrorism will be.



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User currently offlinePellegrine From France, joined Mar 2007, 2468 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (2 years 9 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2337 times:

Pretty sad that Australia and New Zealand are such puppets of the US. Do whatever the big bad US FBI tells them to.

I will say this and clear up a few things:

Quoting Stabilator (Reply 6):
Rumor has it Alicia Keys' spouse is among those arrested. Interesting stuff.
Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 8):
His name is not on the list of people arrested/ indicted, though his position with the company certainly will bring him under close inspection.

Kasseem Dean aka Swizz Beatz has been in the music business far longer than Alicia Keys and is wealthier than her off of it (on the production side). So I don't think he would like to see it destroyed.

In a private company a "fake" CEO might not have as much operational control as you would think. If I am Chairman and have sway over the board I could put whatever CEO/figurehead I want. And many times companies operating illegally will put on a "front".

Swizz isn't cheap either. This is a producer who regularly commands $1 million to produce a hit song (before it's even a hit you have to pay the producer). So Megaupload probably just pitched him 6+ digits to be a "front man".

I really don't think Swizz is involved in this (the illegalities) for many reasons I can't even get into.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 13):
Excellent news!

People need to realize they simply do not have the rights to redistribute things which they do not hold legal ownership over.

One of America's most valuable assets is intellectual property, and it should be of paramount importance to go after the scrooge of people and companies that violate basic copyright laws and illegally host and redistribute materials which they simply do not have rights for.

This is an old mindset but it is never surprising to here it for me. I could waste breath. But it doesn't matter. The damage was done 10+ years ago whichever way you believe.

It is laughable that these old dinosaurs of lazy government go after these things and gloat over their win. There are an incalculable number of opportunists and programmers working on the next (popular) solution to distribute free content online.

Napster has been done, did that stop anybody? Kazaa? Umm... Did pirating slow down after the demise of any of these sites/apps??? Nope.


In fact the only reason they're going after this Megaupload was because they smelled cash (tens of millions) and found a paper trail.

What about the other illegal sites? If the authorities are so motivated by altruism in support of rights holders (which I am not against btw), where are the indictments against other sites and persons???

[Edited 2012-01-20 03:48:46]


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User currently offlineMD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8508 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (2 years 9 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2335 times:

I use rapidshare.de to host files for download, how is it and other sites like it any different than megaupload.com?

User currently offlineCXB77L From Australia, joined Feb 2009, 2641 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (2 years 9 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2313 times:
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Quoting Pellegrine (Reply 18):
If the authorities are so motivated by altruism in support of rights holders (which I am not against btw), where are the indictments against other sites and persons???

One word: Evidence.

I don't think the government targeted Megaupload because there is lots of money to be made, but rather that they have now found sufficient evidence to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that there has been a criminal breach of copyright.

Yes, there are thousands of other sites out there, and I would point and laugh the day they get shut down one by one. As far as I am concerned, piracy is the scourge of the internet community and should be eradicated. However, to prosecute these websites and their owners, the government needs to find evidence that there has been a criminal breach of copyright, as the burden of proof is on them.



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User currently offlineStarAC17 From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 3385 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (2 years 9 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2313 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 13):
One of America's most valuable assets is intellectual property, and it should be of paramount importance to go after the scrooge of people and companies that violate basic copyright laws and illegally host and redistribute materials which they simply do not have rights for.

20th century intellectual property maybe but there are many in America that want don't want to move forward and the old white men on congress passing legislation that I could get around in very little time aren't helping things progress into the 21st century.

Example being with the Internet and even energy which is immensely important. There has been very little effort by the US (also many others, the blame goes to many) to not invest and research alternate energy even though we are likely to hit peak oil in 2014 IIRC. Even though they might not be viable now there is nothing lost in trying to figure it out before China does and right now I'm betting on them to get it. This may seem like an off topic rant but the point is the same, the government of the US (lobbied by lazy corperate interests) apparently is not being able to embrace the Internet as the main source of information and entertainment for basically everyone under 40. This just puts the United States which still has the potential to get shit done if they really want to fall behind where everyone else is going.

People in Africa might worry about not having enough to eat and worry about the cleanliness of their water but you better believe they have access to Google, Facebook, and twitter through their mobile phones. This is the way society is going whether people like it or not!!



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User currently offlineflood From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 1381 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (2 years 9 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2309 times:

I wonder who's next as there are a number of similar, popular file hosting services operating such as Rapidshare and Filesonic. I thought maybe they'd be operating under one umbrella but the mentioned sites are still up.

It's unfortunate the shutdown affected a number of legitimate users, yet these sites are absolutely swamped with pirated content. As a stock photographer, I've come across several of my photos being freely distributed in various compiled image libraries there. That said, good riddance.

Quoting nighthawk (Reply 15):
When copying a piece of work is so easy that it can be done with just 2 key strokes, you need to start thinking just how much that piece of work is really worth.

There's no logic in that argument.

Quoting MD-90 (Reply 19):

I use rapidshare.de to host files for download, how is it and other sites like it any different than megaupload.com?

It's not. Should you have any files on there which aren't backed up, it may be a good time to do so.


User currently offlinePellegrine From France, joined Mar 2007, 2468 posts, RR: 8
Reply 23, posted (2 years 9 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2295 times:

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 20):
One word: Evidence.

I don't think the government targeted Megaupload because there is lots of money to be made, but rather that they have now found sufficient evidence to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that there has been a criminal breach of copyright.

Yes, there are thousands of other sites out there, and I would point and laugh the day they get shut down one by one. As far as I am concerned, piracy is the scourge of the internet community and should be eradicated. However, to prosecute these websites and their owners, the government needs to find evidence that there has been a criminal breach of copyright, as the burden of proof is on them.

This is such a waste of time and government resources it is laughable.

Not because governments are not supposed to uphold the law. They are. But as you say yourself there is no way for them to uphold the law. The sites are too numerous and evidence to scant and slow coming.

So let RIAA/MPAA/major rights holders et. al. bring a lawsuit in a court first. Let them protect their rights. Just as I will protect mine. Let's not (collectively) waste time and resources on this nonsense.

IMO. The 21st century unlike the 20th will be less about what is right and wrong in the virtual community, and more about what is practical and relevant to the rule of law and governance of man and community given resource limits. You can quote me on that.



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User currently offlineALTF4 From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 1214 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (2 years 9 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2221 times:

Quoting tu204 (Reply 14):
Who arrested said individuals in said countries? And under what jurisdiction?

The authorities within the countries where they were arrested. The U.S. has extradition agreements with many countries, and many countries will arrest upon request so the U.S. can extradite.



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25 Revelation : Google et al are afraid that the specter of censorship will make its users decide to seek alternate uncensored search engines. These sites all came o
26 Post contains links Starbuk7 : This is an interesting video that my daughter showed me yesterday of exactly who is funding the bill, and the corruption behind it. http://www.youtube
27 LAXintl : I’m amazed by the laissez-faire attitude many regarding piracy and desire to see anything goes attitude over the internet. Piracy unfortunately has
28 rfields5421 : Maybe, maybe not. megaupload.com itself wasn't the major problem. The problem was the interlocking set of websites the company created which required
29 DeltaMD90 : After seeing the RIAA sue single moms for millions over a few songs, I have little sympathy for the RIAA How much of a song goes to the little people
30 rfields5421 : As I said on the other thread - SOPA/PIPA are simply bad pieces of legislation - trying to micro-manage a technical issue from a law, not written with
31 Aesma : I never read an independent study that said that. Most numbers come from the lobbies of the music and film industries.
32 srbmod : Plenty of illegally copied content on any site like these, and likely targets for the next takedown. You can't stuff the genie back into the bottle.
33 Post contains images photopilot : In today's age, don't you mean "getting a Kindle thrown at them". But seriously, 30 years ago when I was in school, we'd make a slide-show of our pho
34 Acheron : Too bad most artist actually make most of their profits in concerts and tickets sales, not CD's. Nine Inch Nails seems to be doing perfectly fine des
35 StarAc17 : They might be based in America and been thought up by Americans but for all respective purposes they are global websites and have global content. The
36 LAXintl : And single mom's get arrested for shop lifting every day also. Just because you might be a single mom, or other perceived special person does not giv
37 DeltaMD90 : You may think that crime is worth millions of dollars. I and other Americans don't. I also don't care if it's a single mom or a married dad, they sho
38 dc9northwest : But it's all about corporate interest here. The billion-dollar corporation want their money from the 30,000$ annual salary guy. IMO the artists aren'
39 DeltaMD90 : I know it's mainly corporate interests, but even they have reasonable needs. I think freedom and spreading of all information/knowledge is good, yet
40 Post contains links WildcatYXU : And you see, here's the problem. If the single mom shoplifts, the shop owner will really suffer a loss. Now, with the music/movie /game downloads it'
41 DeltaMD90 : My biggest gripe is shoplifting would probably be way less of a fine than pirating. I mean millions of dollars!? Luckily the judge knocked the amount
42 WildcatYXU : MD 90 just broke into my house, he stole my mouse trap, my nutcracker and my bible. I suffered a loss of $ 241553.25 due his despicable crime. I don'
43 DeltaMD90 : Well you're arguing if piracy is "a loss." I am more on your side, I don't think corporations lose much since most pirates I talk to wouldn't buy it
44 WildcatYXU : Oh, I agree with that. However, the real question is: Is it worth the taxpayers money to do after a crime that probably doesn't really have a victim
45 DeltaMD90 : Well that is up to the decision of the courts and legislature. And a completely different topic. I foresee the US going the way of the Swiss and Cana
46 StarAC17 : Shoplifter's certainly don't unless they are chronic thief's one offence will likely lead to a fine and thats it. Even several offences wouldn't lead
47 Post contains images CXB77L : I agree that an attempt to stop piracy is, as you put it, 'a futile attempt to plug a dam', but that doesn't mean we shouldn't try, nor does it mean
48 Post contains images KiwiRob : In NZ the accussed were arrested by the NZ Police. Kim Dotcom was doing well, at least well enough to be able to lease on of the largest private home
49 Post contains links melpax : Apparently he was unable to buy property in NZ as he failed a 'character test'.. http://www.theage.com.au/technology/...der-kim-dotcom-20120123-1qcxw
50 StarAC17 : See then this is affecting freedom of speech and expression and if you legally download the song it should be able to be used however you please, wit
51 jamincan : Is violating intellectual property actually a crime? Or is it a tort? If the RIAA is seeking damages from various parties for their violations, that
52 oldtimer : Agree with everything on here srbmod, but would add most of the problems have come from corporate greed, I know MS has to make a profit to enable it
53 CXB77L : It can be both. There is a criminal breach of copyright, and there is a civil breach of copyright. What defines a criminal breach depends on the juri
54 dc9northwest : Completely agree. It can't be free, but it's much more expensive than it's worth. This is equal to corporate greed. Same as above... 70$ per season a
55 WildcatYXU : While I'm sure it doesn't pan out exactly dollar for a dollar, it definitely works out over a longer period of the time. What on earth makes you thin
56 StarAC17 : As they are publicly traded companies yes what they make is everyone's business, they charge what people are willing to pay. Comedy Central is in the
57 CXB77L : Then don't watch it at all. This is something I don't get: if you think it's so bad that it's not worth paying money for, why do you want to watch it
58 dc9northwest : Great! I can't watch something I want because some intellectuals at a TV station decide not to broadcast. If they don't give a crap about me and abou
59 CXB77L : Companies have no obligation, legal, moral or otherwise, to broadcast what you want to see when you want to see it and at a price that you want. Whil
60 WildcatYXU : Yes, some artists finally woke up and to their big surprise found out that it's 2012, not 1962. The lead word here is "some". Moreover, this is a ver
61 ALTF4 : And that is exactly what CXB77L said - it is bad business. That doesn't make it wrong, though, does it? If I wanted to sell cupcakes to you and charg
62 WildcatYXU : Well, for my money I definitely deserve what I want and when I want it (withing a reason, of course), wouldn't you think so? And if somebody says tha
63 ALTF4 : But when you're not paying for the items, you aren't giving them your money, so your reasoning is quite flawed there. As for somebody else getting yo
64 dc9northwest : DVDs... another big rip-off with all their zoning... If I want to watch a DVD (on a DVD-player at least) of the same show in the US, one in Romania,
65 LipeGIG : Last warning here. We will not allow discussions on off topic issues. If it continues on the wrong decision, we will close this thread. Regards and th
66 Post contains images PanHAM : Just read that Kim was denied bail. Understandable, with his ressources he could easily flee NZ and try to make it to North Korea. With his name, they
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