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Perry Drops Out, Rep SC Primary, And Beyond  
User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7931 posts, RR: 52
Posted (2 years 9 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2030 times:

In an effort to not spam the forums with a million topics, I'm trying to consolidate all the recent election news into one thread, one that can hopefully deviate a bit from the original post and still be relevant.

Rick Perry dropped out of the race today and endorsed Newt. No surprise, and this will probably put him over Romney (he was close before.) If not, I do not see Santorum continuing much longer. He is behind Romney and Newt, and recently has dipped below Paul, putting him in 4th (out of 4.) I foresee him dropping out after SC and endorsing Newt which would be a force to be reckoned with.

Romney is getting into some trouble over his low tax rate (due somewhat to capital gains I believe.) Nothing illegal, but doesn't look good. Now there is talk about him putting money in Cayman accounts. Hmm.

Paul is still abused IMO. The AP ran a story about him purchasing all these 1st class tickets when in fact the article was entirely misleading--he pays the same as all other Congressmen/women and uses his FF miles to upgrade. Didn't hear that story spread around. He got booed by SC for saying that our country should do to others as we would want them to do to them. Even if you hate him, there are probably some areas which you agree with him in that should really be brought up. But I won't start this into a Paul thread (unless yall want to   )

So we are down to 4, a moderate, 2 conservative, and a constitutionalist. I foresee Newt winning this one, Romney 2nd, poor Paul 3rd, and Santorum last (I think it'll be his last shot.) For the first time, I see Newt as having a shot at winning this nomination.

Please discuss the Republican Presidential Primary! (very broad so I hope it won't get locked from it going off topic  )


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User currently offline2707200X From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 8617 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (2 years 9 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2012 times:

Mitt Romney is starting to look competitive in SC, he does not seem to be the inevitable candidate anymore. Gingrich is now a serious challenge to Mitt as some of the polls indicate that Newt is ahead and the finding that Santorum may have won Iowa is not helping Mitt but is is still Romney's game to win or loose.


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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7931 posts, RR: 52
Reply 2, posted (2 years 9 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2007 times:

Another add: Herman Cain made his big, unconventional endorsement today...

The People.      



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User currently offlinethegreatRDU From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2310 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (2 years 9 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2002 times:

I can't wait until the SC Primary....it's still too close to call and there is still more damming stuff out there for some of the candidates....


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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7931 posts, RR: 52
Reply 4, posted (2 years 9 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 1995 times:

Quoting thegreatRDU (Reply 3):
I can't wait until the SC Primary....it's still too close to call and there is still more damming stuff out there for some of the candidates....

Well, recent polls suggest Newt and Romney are going to be competing for 1st and 2nd, and Paul and Santorum are competing for 3rd and 4th. I think Newt will win since he is riding the surge upwards, and I think Santorum will get in last since he's dipping downwards a bit. Sadly, I see this as a race between Romney and Newt. I think Santorum will drop out and Paul will continue on. Paul is committed towards his message, and if he gets a large chunk of the people to see his views, I think that's a win in my book. That's all I ask for, he's done a great job raising awareness



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39906 posts, RR: 75
Reply 5, posted (2 years 9 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 1992 times:

Didn't Rick Perry drop out 2 weeks ago only to restart his campaign again a day later?
Is this an attention getting stunt by Rick Perry?
Newt Gingrich winning South Carolina primary wont be much of a surprise.



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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7931 posts, RR: 52
Reply 6, posted (2 years 9 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 1985 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 5):
Didn't Rick Perry drop out 2 weeks ago only to restart his campaign again a day later?
Is this an attention getting stunt by Rick Perry?

He said he was going to "reassess his campaign" or something. Everyone thought that meant dropping out, but he never said he was. And he didn't. Meanwhile, Bachmann said she was going to SC and dropped out the next day. Lol



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User currently offlineltbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13138 posts, RR: 15
Reply 7, posted (2 years 9 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1968 times:

Perry's screw-ups pretty much ruined him. By the way, it appears that Romney DID NOT 'win' the Iowa caucuses, didn't by about 43 votes to Sanatorium. Newt Gingrich has a ex-wife making noise today in an interview for ABC network news and the first question to him in today's 'debate' on CNN was about his past adultery. More comes out about the taxes Romney doesn't pay, continues to not put out his tax records to the public and is ending up looking more arrogant. Ron Paul, well, he still gets the libertarian wingdings.
Oh, what a sorry bunch they are. All they needed some someone without any of their 'baggage' and they could have a competitive chance vs. Obama.


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39906 posts, RR: 75
Reply 8, posted (2 years 9 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1963 times:

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 6):
Meanwhile, Bachmann said she was going to SC and dropped out the next day.

Heck, maybe I should go to South Carolina too! 
Quoting ltbewr (Reply 7):
Newt Gingrich has a ex-wife making noise today in an interview for ABC

These reporters should give it a rest already. Ex-wives and ex-girlfriends often do not have positive things to say about their past boyfriends or husbands. That is his personal business. It's so obvious the press wants to sabotage any politician that criticizes and wants to campaign against Obama.
Unless Newt killed, raped or tortured someone, I really don't care about his personal life. It's not like he hung out with terrorist that's bomb the Pentagon or anything....



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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7931 posts, RR: 52
Reply 9, posted (2 years 9 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1939 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 8):
That is his personal business.

Actually, I completely agree. The only time this should really be mentioned is when he defends the sanctity of marriage! (How's he gonna get past that one?)



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User currently offlinejcs17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 39
Reply 10, posted (2 years 9 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1938 times:

Gingrich is an utterly detestable candidate and a person. Newt has one thing in mind in during his candidacy and his personal life: Newt. It's ironic that the only person who rivals Newt's sense of self-importance and self-grandeur is Bill Clinton -- someone who Newt continually persecuted (and rightly and hypocritically so).

You want some side pussy (as the late, great Patrice O'Neal termed it), don't get married. It's as simple as that.

Hezbollah Newt wants to blow up anyone in the GOP who gets in his path. Romney had the "audacity" to run critical ads against Newt in Iowa. Earth to Newt, earth to Newt?! National politics is full contact. He then attacks Bain as some sort of venture capitalist firm in the line of MF Global and Goldman Sachs -- entirely incorrect. He then cites a few companies that liquidated after Bain provided a lifeline. Newt knows exactly what Bain did and why it exists, and it's not to lay off entire companies and swallow their assets.

Mitt Romney (who was a small businessman and is now well-off) is now a bad person for stashing his assets in the Caymans, exactly like the moneymakers who are supporting his candidacy (and Obama's candidacy) does. By the way, that money is taxed when it comes onshore. It's not like the guy laundering money like a Colombian drug lord. It's a perfectly legal method to get around tax laws in the US.

Newt Gingrich is a lousy human being and the worst type of person we need in the GOP. Someone who forgot Reagan's 11th amendment and who can't let a chance at the Presidency go. Someone who is willing to use the attacks of the left to vilify his opponent. Given Gingrich's statements he would've done well to go to Occupy Wall Street and keep a family of rats.

Not that it matters in New York or my congressional district, but I will happily stay home if Hezbollah Newt is nominated at the GOP candidate.

[Edited 2012-01-19 21:11:33]


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User currently onlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5618 posts, RR: 51
Reply 11, posted (2 years 9 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1925 times:

I'd rather sleep with Barbara Bush than ever agree with JCS17 on anything he says...

Quoting jcs17 (Reply 11):
Hezbollah Newt wants to blow up anyone in the GOP who gets in his path. Romney had the "audacity" to run critical ads against Newt in Iowa. Earth to Newt, earth to Newt?! National politics is full contact.

But he nailed it right there.


Politics is a full contact sport, we've had officials making fun of the President's wife and his kids. And no one's had a problem with that. And if Obama had a 1st wife who he treated like crap, cheated on openly humiliating her and running out of his kids leaving them to fend for themselves...as Gingrich did (1st wife), Fox News/Limbaugh & Hannity would be speaking about it every 5 minutes.

None of these 'his personal life doesn't matter' peeps would be saying that about Obama were that true, they'd be wailing on it 247 - just like they do hear repeating 'teleprompter, Ayers & Rev. Wright'..they still can't let it go. Imagibe iof they had something 'real' to gripe about.

If you commit it.. you own it. You don't get a pass.

No matter how bellicose and belligerent Gingrich is towards the press before a 'selected supportive audience'.. the stink of the past is not gonna smell any less. I say to the press, put a mic infront of wife #1, the one he harmed the most.

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 10):
Quoting Superfly (Reply 8):
That is his personal business.

Actually, I completely agree. The only time this should really be mentioned is when he defends the sanctity of marriage! (How's he gonna get past that one?)

As much as you may, it is the GOP who loves to play the 'who can marry who game' when employing political tools of division, Gingrich will not be able to run from his past now. Whenever married women (and scorned divorcees) look at Leroy Gingrich and Callista, all they're gonna be able to think about is 'she was in his wife's bed for 6 years before he divorced her..' .. what moral compress has he to direct anyone on anything?

BN747

[Edited 2012-01-19 21:57:59]


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User currently offlineStarAC17 From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 3385 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (2 years 9 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1873 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 8):
These reporters should give it a rest already. Ex-wives and ex-girlfriends often do not have positive things to say about their past boyfriends or husbands. That is his personal business. It's so obvious the press wants to sabotage any politician that criticizes and wants to campaign against Obama.

I would say that would be fine but everything is fair game. With Newt though it is especially fair game because this guy had the audacity to go after Clinton for screwing around while doing it himself and that says more about his character than simply having an affair.

Quoting BN747 (Reply 11):
Politics is a full contact sport, we've had officials making fun of the President's wife and his kids. And no one's had a problem with that. And if Obama had a 1st wife who he treated like crap, cheated on openly humiliating her and running out of his kids leaving them to fend for themselves...as Gingrich did (1st wife), Fox News/Limbaugh & Hannity would be speaking about it every 5 minutes.

If Obama had a footage of grabbing a woman's bum while he was senator we would all be discussing a democratic primary race going up against president John McCain or a GOP primary against Hillary.

Obama would have never been elected if he had an affair and never have got the nomination to begin with. He is the Jackie Robinson of politics.

Quoting BN747 (Reply 11):
None of these 'his personal life doesn't matter' peeps would be saying that about Obama were that true, they'd be wailing on it 247 - just like they do hear repeating 'teleprompter, Ayers & Rev. Wright'..they still can't let it go. Imagibe iof they had something 'real' to gripe about.

They all wish they could find dirt on him that would stick and this is not about media protection. More people watch Fox than MSNBC and CNN is by no means brown-nosing Obama. Often times with Obama they come up with an allegation it gets checked and turns out to be complete crap.



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39906 posts, RR: 75
Reply 13, posted (2 years 9 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1846 times:

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 12):
He is the Jackie Robinson of politics.

  
I wouldn't say that after seeing the way he throws a ball.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-Tart58c7E



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User currently offlineStarAC17 From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 3385 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (2 years 9 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 1835 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 13):
  
I wouldn't say that after seeing the way he throws a ball.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-Tart58c7E

Fair point but what about his jump shot   .



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User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6630 posts, RR: 24
Reply 15, posted (2 years 9 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 1823 times:

Quoting jcs17 (Reply 10):
Gingrich is an utterly detestable candidate and a person. Newt has one thing in mind in during his candidacy and his personal life: Newt.

I would say that is true of most candidates for President, though I would agree that Newt is one of the worst.

Quoting jcs17 (Reply 10):
Mitt Romney (who was a small businessman and is now well-off)

Since when was Mitt ever a "small businessman"??

Quoting jcs17 (Reply 10):
Newt knows exactly what Bain did and why it exists, and it's not to lay off entire companies and swallow their assets.

In some cases, that's exactly what Bain is brought in to do. They're not interested in long-term success. The goal is to make a quick buck for investors by whatever means necessary.


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39906 posts, RR: 75
Reply 16, posted (2 years 9 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 1820 times:

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 14):
Fair point but what about his jump shot

Haven't seen it.

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 12):
With Newt though it is especially fair game because this guy had the audacity to go after Clinton for screwing around while doing it himself and that says more about his character than simply having an affair.

That is true and Gingrich should answer why he went after Clinton for the same reason.
Newt Gingrich's daughter's has come to the defense of their father and that is more important than what the bitter ex-wives think. Newt Gingrich once again slammed another news reporter for opening up the debate with this issue.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wwf7UFYQnM


It would have made more sense if the question came up later in the debate and asked how he justified going after Clinton for the same reason. Mitt Romney was spot on for simply saying that we need to move on to more important issues.
It seems as though the press wants to turn this in to a male beauty pageant. Who looks best on camera, who seems to uphold a wholesome image and who looks best in a bikini. Of course Obama would win that contest.



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User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7533 posts, RR: 24
Reply 17, posted (2 years 9 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1815 times:

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Thread starter):
In an effort to not spam the forums with a million topics, I'm trying to consolidate all the recent election news into one thread, one that can hopefully deviate a bit from the original post and still be relevant.

Here's a friendly suggestion to better accomplish such:

Use a more generic title for the thread with NO Event-Specific references. Example: NH (previous thread), SC (this thread; athough, to your credit, you did add And Beyond at the end of the title).

Simply title it The GOP Primary Thread or Presidential Primary Thread (if you don't want to restrict the focus to one specific political party) and be done with it.

It's worth noting that Event-Specific Threads usually get locked over time. So it's not as cumbersome as one would think.



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User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12717 posts, RR: 25
Reply 18, posted (2 years 9 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1798 times:

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 7):
Newt Gingrich has a ex-wife making noise today in an interview for ABC network news and the first question to him in today's 'debate' on CNN was about his past adultery.
Quoting Superfly (Reply 8):
These reporters should give it a rest already. Ex-wives and ex-girlfriends often do not have positive things to say about their past boyfriends or husbands. That is his personal business. It's so obvious the press wants to sabotage any politician that criticizes and wants to campaign against Obama.
Unless Newt killed, raped or tortured someone, I really don't care about his personal life. It's not like he hung out with terrorist that's bomb the Pentagon or anything....

I don't know the details (but it seems I will be spoon-fed them bit by bit), but if he did ask his wife for an open marraige, that's a plus in his favor. Again not knowing the details, if he asked and she said no and the divorce resulted, that to me shows he was trying to deal with the situation. He found he could not be happy sleeping with his wife, and tried to deal with it.

Quoting jcs17 (Reply 10):
You want some side pussy (as the late, great Patrice O'Neal termed it), don't get married. It's as simple as that.

Or find a woman who is OK with an open marraige. The problem I see with "adultry" is the cheating part. If both people agree, it's not cheating. It's more laudable if you can be happy in a monogomous relationship, but for some people, that's just not in the cards.

Quoting jcs17 (Reply 10):
Mitt Romney (who was a small businessman and is now well-off) is now a bad person for stashing his assets in the Caymans, exactly like the moneymakers who are supporting his candidacy (and Obama's candidacy) does. By the way, that money is taxed when it comes onshore. It's not like the guy laundering money like a Colombian drug lord. It's a perfectly legal method to get around tax laws in the US.

When I think of small businessman, I think of the local butcher/baker/tailor/etc.

Willard's problem really is the nature of his business. He was a financial engineer. He didn't make anything tangible. He made his millions by speculating. That doesn't demonstrate the skil set that one needs to lead a government, despite what he and his campaign say. After the GFC, the electorate detests financial engineers and speculators.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 16):
It seems as though the press wants to turn this in to a male beauty pageant. Who looks best on camera, who seems to uphold a wholesome image and who looks best in a bikini. Of course Obama would win that contest.

Looks like Doc will be getting his new toaster after all!  



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39906 posts, RR: 75
Reply 19, posted (2 years 9 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 1769 times:

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 17):
Simply title it The GOP Primary Thread or Presidential Primary Thread (if you don't want to restrict the focus to one specific political party) and be done with it.

The problem is that it will end up with 200 post many of them off topic and filled with personal insults to members with a different opinion that the mods will eventually have to clean and thus locking the thread anyway.

Quoting Revelation (Reply 18):
if he did ask his wife for an open marraige, that's a plus in his favor. Again not knowing the details, if he asked and she said no and the divorce resulted, that to me shows he was trying to deal with the situation. He found he could not be happy sleeping with his wife, and tried to deal with it.

I was thinking the same. I haven't paid too much attention to his ex-wifes comments considering how it's being dragged out in the press. It sounds as though he was trying to honestly deal with the situation as an adult and not cheat on her but have an open relationship. At least his children are forgiving of his mistakes and still love their father.

Quoting Revelation (Reply 18):
Looks like Doc will be getting his new toaster after all!

LOL!         
No Doc hasn't got me to his side. Just complimenting the President on his appearance. No doubt that Obama is a sharp looking dude and I've always said he (and the rest of the country) would have been better off going in to acting instead of politics. Lot's of single women voted for him for his looks alone. He's a surrogate husband for a lot of these single women that can't find a man.



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User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12717 posts, RR: 25
Reply 20, posted (2 years 9 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 1752 times:

Quoting Gingrich from last night's debate:

Quote:

I think the destructive, vicious negative nature of much of the news media makes it harder to govern this country.

What hypocrisy! Isn't this the same guy who just used his PAC and the (paid!) media to smear Romney with regard to Bain Capital?

So the media is good when your PAC can buy big blocks of time, but is crap otherwise?

Not to mention this is the guy who used his power as Speaker to go after Clinton for a BJ yet is appalled when anyone criticizes him for a 6 year affair that has obviously caused his ex-wife great pain.

The GOP primary is not playing out well for the GOP.

Mitt Romney is the prototypical yuppie 1%er and pisses off the hard-core conservatives.

Newt Gingrich is entertaining, but he's an absolute hypocrite and also a loose cannon, and when push comes to shove, is not really all that conservative.

It seems the "anyone but Mitt" camp is coalescing around Gingrich which will drag out the primary.

The longer it goes on, the more injured the GOP will become.

And it seems both are in it for the long haul.

Romney has already decided he's the candidate and will be damned if anyone takes it away from him.

Gingrich is pissed at Romney on a personal level and can see his political flaws, and being a loose cannon, he won't drop out. Besides, it's a win-win for Newt. He's a player again, and not an obscure professor. Either he gets the White House, or his speaker fees go up to a Palin level and he cashes in on book sales.



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User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8969 posts, RR: 39
Reply 21, posted (2 years 9 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1750 times:

Quoting Revelation (Reply 18):
I don't know the details (but it seems I will be spoon-fed them bit by bit), but if he did ask his wife for an open marraige, that's a plus in his favor. Again not knowing the details, if he asked and she said no and the divorce resulted, that to me shows he was trying to deal with the situation. He found he could not be happy sleeping with his wife, and tried to deal with it.

The problem for him is the adultery of six years or however long it was, though granted a lot of people will also disagree that an open marriage is something acceptable. I personally don't care if he wanted an open marriage, but he should have been open about it since day one.



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User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12717 posts, RR: 25
Reply 22, posted (2 years 9 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1745 times:

Quoting PPVRA (Reply 21):
The problem for him is the adultery of six years or however long it was, though granted a lot of people will also disagree that an open marriage is something acceptable. I personally don't care if he wanted an open marriage, but he should have been open about it since day one.

It is possible that he thought he could be faithful to his (second..) wife when he married her, and found that he could not. It could also be possible he wanted a stable home life and a girlfriend or two on the side.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newt_gingrich#Marriages_and_children points out he was having an affair with the soon-to-be second wife while he was still married to the first, so it seems a stretch for her to be outraged at his behavior.



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User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8969 posts, RR: 39
Reply 23, posted (2 years 9 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1734 times:

Quoting Revelation (Reply 22):
It is possible that he thought he could be faithful to his (second..) wife when he married her, and found that he could not. It could also be possible he wanted a stable home life and a girlfriend or two on the side.

He still should have told his wife if she was ok with him opening the marriage before he started dating his staffer. Then pursued divorce if the answer was no.

Quoting Revelation (Reply 22):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newt_gingrich#Marriages_and_children points out he was having an affair with the soon-to-be second wife while he was still married to the first, so it seems a stretch for her to be outraged at his behavior.

A stretch to be surprised, yes. But if the expectation was strictly monogamy, then Gingrich betrayed her trust and she has every right to be upset.



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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7931 posts, RR: 52
Reply 24, posted (2 years 9 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 1713 times:

Looks like Newt is riding the wave of popularity in spite of the ex-wife stories

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo...can_presidential_primary-1590.html

The polls shown happened in the last couple days. Looks like Newt is picking up support from Santorum and most of Perry's supporters. Very interesting because last week Romney had Iowa and NH under his belt, look undefeatable in SC, and virtually unchallenged in the nation



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25 BN747 : Well, of course not..everyone else on the planet has and they all know he's got a mean 3-pointer. For his age, that makes him more athletic than half
26 MD11Engineer : Wasn´t Huntsman critizised for his ability to speak fluent Mandarin (He used to be ambassador in China) and Romney for being able to speak French as
27 Post contains links Revelation : So the worst case for the GOP is unfolding - a long, bloody and costly primary season. The Wiki link above describes a situation where all the wives
28 BN747 : True, and correct my 'done nothing wrong at all'...let's say wife#1 is the patron saint, wife #2 (recent interview wife) was the homewrecker towards
29 Post contains links Superfly : This is just too much drama. This is fodder for those in the Oprah book club and the women on The View to cackle over. As Mitt Romney said; let's get
30 BN747 : Can't defend him, so might as well re-direct.. This fodder would be to those who dwell where 'character' is meaningless. And then even those shows pl
31 Superfly : Just like the current President. So I guess they're equal.
32 Revelation : Not sure what you are saying here. I agree. As I said above, I give him some credit for trying to rectify his marital issues, but am more concerned a
33 Mir : Legal yes. Moral? That's for the electorate to decide. And on that one I'm not so convinced. Don't know about Romney, but Huntsman was criticized for
34 Revelation : Rightly or wrongly, the electorate does judge candidates on their personal lives, just as they do on how they conduct their financial affairs. I thin
35 Post contains images BN747 : In a world of pure singularities and where 2 + 1 = 7 and Tea Party Land perhaps. Exactly, only in America can there exist a collective mindset that t
36 Revelation : Got it - thanks!
37 Revelation : Just heard on my radio, a South Carolinan saying: Lady, it's called "The Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter-Day Saints", for fcuk's sake![Edited 2012-01
38 DeltaMD90 : Being reported that Newt won SC. Gonna be a long primary... Interestingly enough, for a long time (I think since Reagan) the person that has won SC ha
39 Post contains links BN747 : Gingrich wins SC, is anyone really stunned? All Romney had to do was say something about minorities/food stamps and tie Obama to the picture..SC alway
40 Post contains images stasisLAX : South Carolina has truly destroyed its 'social conservative' credentials by giving Newt Get-rich a win in today's Republican presidential primary. Le
41 StarAc17 : Very true and in this world today those of us whom only know one language (I can read basic French) are greatly disadvantaged. Something Chris Rock s
42 Superfly : True. Gingrich may win only a few more states but Romney ultimately will win the nomination.
43 flymia : I think Mitt will win Florida and if he has a decisive victory in FL it might be enough momentum to pull him through. To all the people saying Newt wi
44 BN747 : As much as you may dislike history..simply google SC + Bob Jones University + GOP primaries, it's an unbroken historical direct racist tie in to EVER
45 Post contains links BN747 : "Palestinians are invented People" - Gingrich "Spanish is a language of the ghetto' - Gingrich Add Bill Moyers, Georgian Jimmy Carter to that list an
46 StarAC17 : Also look up John McCain and illegitimate black baby from 2000 which costed him SC.
47 Revelation : I've read a few references that say by using phrases such as "food stamp President" that Newt was "speaking in code" in order to attack African Ameri
48 BN747 : To be precise, 59 % of recipients are white and 28% are black. But the 'food stamp/public assistance' stigmatizing of blacks has racist roots dating
49 Mir : Wouldn't have helped him in my mind - if you're all about defending the sanctity of marriage (i.e. the life-long commitment you make to someone), you
50 Charles79 : I'm not surprised that Mr. Gingrich won but I wasn't expecting the margin of victory to be that large. I wonder what the outcome would have looked li
51 BN747 : Ok, how do you see this as not...and.. ...that as borderline? How do filter this evaluation? BN747
52 Revelation : Yes, but not just blacks. In my area, Latinos (especially from PR, DR and other places in the Caribbean basin) have been subject to the same stigma s
53 Mir : Correct. Food stamps are not really racial - they're more a symbol of poverty. But when you feel the need to tell the NAACP why paychecks are superio
54 BN747 : You're both missing the long standing connotation & stigmaticism of term towards blacks.. For example, on a flight ..you're in a window seat, a y
55 ltbewr : So Gingrich won in SC. Big Fat Hairy Deal. He won't win in a much more moderate state like Florida. I also find it appalling that the economic selfish
56 BN747 : Oh jeez, my hangover's gone... ..now that I read this pain free (and a few more zzzz's later...) Overtly racist? No... stealthly? Yes. As for the NAA
57 thegreatRDU : South Carolina is South Carolina but I can never vote for a man like Newt Gingrich. It makes you wonder how desensitized the people of South Carolina
58 Charles79 : I think this is a valid point, which is why I refuse to generalize all Christians as one group because I know many Christians and they certainly woul
59 LMP737 : If Newt does get the nomination I hope the GOP puts out a memo to all it's people to stop talking about the sanctity of marriage and family values.
60 flymia : I semi agree, but everyone makes mistakes and no one is perfect. However this is the President of the United States, not the family counsler. People
61 Post contains images Superfly : Amen to that! The Republicans need to realize that the 'family values' dogma is a losing issue. They lose sooooo many votes their preachyness and is
62 CASINTEREST : I won't be that shocked. There are more evangelicals in Florida then there are in SC. Just due to the nature of the size of Florida. However Florida
63 Revelation : Just so I don't miss things in the future, maybe you should give me the code words for sexism, homophobia, ageism, antisemitism, Islamophobia, etc. O
64 Post contains images Superfly : Yet Democrats still manage to win in those 'fly-over' states. Florida has more everything than South Carolina. Aren't the Republicans in South Florid
65 LMP737 : True everyone makes mistakes. However most people don't lecture the rest of the country about something for which he is doing at that very moment. Ev
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