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Joe Paterno Died  
User currently offlinestlgph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9366 posts, RR: 26
Posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2697 times:

Just received the text alert.

[Edited 2012-01-21 18:32:20]


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User currently offlinedl021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11447 posts, RR: 75
Reply 1, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2695 times:
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Wow....RIP...if it hasn't happened yet, it's not reported as such on ESPN, it's coming shortly. He's in bad shape and has asked to see his family according to spox.

He got the short end of the deAl at the end with penn state. He wa a great coach and was loved by his players.

[Edited 2012-01-21 18:14:22]


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User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13596 posts, RR: 61
Reply 2, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2679 times:
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Quoting stlgph (Thread starter):
Just received the text alert.

From....?



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User currently offlinestarbuk7 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 599 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2680 times:

I just read that. He has been the face of Penn State Football for as long as I can remember. I hope they keep his legacy a good one and not the scandal.

RIP Joe Pa!!


User currently offlinestlgph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9366 posts, RR: 26
Reply 4, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2659 times:

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 2):

the news organization i work for.




if you google search, it's now hitting all the websites.

EDIT-

looks like the Guardian link i tried was a fail, so ...

http://www.google.com/#hl=en&sugexp=...=90c1eb6c7005c121&biw=1024&bih=622

[Edited 2012-01-21 18:20:11]


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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21625 posts, RR: 55
Reply 5, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2627 times:

Quoting dl021 (Reply 1):

Typing on an iPhone, so quoting function not working well, but:

He didn't get the short end of the stick at all. He deserved to lose his job over what happened.

That said, it is a shame that things had to end that way, and I have no real dislike for the man. I hope that the successes of his career will get their recognition along with the recent black marks. RIP.

-Mir



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User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13596 posts, RR: 61
Reply 6, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2606 times:
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CBS Sports jumped the gun. From @JayPaterno: "I appreciate the support & prayers. Joe is continuing to fight."


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User currently offlinestasisLAX From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3283 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2605 times:

Strange. Nothing yet in the Philadelphia newspaper websites. Just a report that JoePa is seriously ill.

source: http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/..._Paterno_in_serious_condition.html



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User currently offlineltbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13113 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2605 times:

Per a check at Huffingtonpost.com, the reports of his death are premature. The family reps have refuted the reports of CBS Sports, that he is not dead (yet) and ask for privacy. He is dealing with apparent complications from his lung cancer and earlier today was reported to in 'grave' or 'serious' condition. At his age, with his ongoing health problems and all the emotional tumult he has faced in the last 2 months or so, it is not improbable that he is very close to the end of his life.

User currently offlinestlgph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9366 posts, RR: 26
Reply 9, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2600 times:

Now it gets better, family says he's still alive. Makes me laugh as several of my friends who work in the news business are at the airport literally trying to decide whether or not to get on a plane and head to State College.

This should be good.



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User currently offlinestasisLAX From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3283 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2592 times:

KTLA (a local TV station in Pennsylvania) is reporting that initial reports that former Penn State football coach Joe Paterno had reportedly passed away Saturday night are now being retracted - after a Paterno family spokesman shot down the rumors.


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User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13596 posts, RR: 61
Reply 11, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2581 times:
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Quoting stlgph (Reply 4):

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 2):


the news organization i work for.

Better start putting the word "news" in quotation marks going forward...  



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User currently offlinestlgph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9366 posts, RR: 26
Reply 12, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2573 times:

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 11):

Mine hasn't run with it yet  



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User currently offlinedragon-wings From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3986 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2500 times:

I wonder if him getting fired and everything else that happened accelerated his cancer and put him in the position he is in now.


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User currently offlineCRJ900LR From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 344 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2393 times:

Oh im not saying he didnt know how to coach, he had some decent teams, its the things he did behind the scenes that are questionable, if he would have come clean and told the right people then fine, but he didn't and thats what gets me. Why hide something like that?

User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21625 posts, RR: 55
Reply 15, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2390 times:

Quoting CRJ900LR (Reply 17):
its the things he did behind the scenes that are questionable, if he would have come clean and told the right people then fine, but he didn't and thats what gets me. Why hide something like that?

I don't know, and that's certainly a dark chapter in the story of his tenure at the school. But he was there for a long time, and I would hope that he'll be remembered more for the good things he did than for the bad. And there were a lot of good things - he screwed up with the Sandusky case, no doubt, but people do make mistakes, and those shouldn't wipe away the rest of their body of work.

-Mir



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User currently offlinedragon-wings From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3986 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2350 times:

Quoting CRJ900LR (Reply 17):
its the things he did behind the scenes that are questionable, if he would have come clean and told the right people then fine, but he didn't and thats what gets me. Why hide something like that?

Maybe this will answer some questions. Here is a interview Joe Paterno gave to the Washington Post earlier this month about the scandal.

http://www.cbsatlanta.com/story/1652...aks-publically-on-sandusky-scandal

[Edited 2012-01-21 22:28:34]


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User currently offlineStabilator From United States of America, joined Nov 2010, 710 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2294 times:

Not sure how I feel about this news. On one hand he was one of the greatest coaches in college football history, and contributed immensely to the sport. On the other hand, he tarnished the pride of an entire University, it's allumni, students and staff. It doesn't matter that Sandusky did it. JoePa was the identity of not only the football team, but PSU itself.

How can someone know his assistant molests young children, and yet brush it under the rug and continue as normal. Mentioning it to campus security is not enough if they do not take action. To me, that shows great arrogance on his part.

My heart goes out to the victims and they Penn State community.



So we beat on against the current, borne back ceaselessly into the past.
User currently offlinedragon-wings From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3986 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2286 times:

Quoting Stabilator (Reply 23):
Mentioning it to campus security

Actually he went and told the athletic director. I think he didn't follow up because he said he didn't know exactly how to handle it and was afraid to do something that might jeopardize what the university procedure was.



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User currently offlineStabilator From United States of America, joined Nov 2010, 710 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2290 times:

Quoting dragon-wings (Reply 24):

Interesting the University procedure would be anything other the going to the authorities. Can you expand on what the PSU procedures were?



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User currently offlineltbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13113 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2217 times:

Yes, it will be sad to see his death, but no one lives forever. Very possibly Paterno would not have lived or been able to participate in recruiting for new players for next year. I do think a series of circumstances occurred, much like sometimes with air crashes, that led to this terrible situation for all including the abrupt dismissal of Joe Paterno.

The nature of sexual assault of children is one where the victim is put into circumstances that can be exploited by the attacker. Often, as with Sandusky for example, they are authority or respected persons who can and will intimidate their victims from reporting them or find those who are ignorant of what is happening is wrong. Then when a person is a victim they have such shame that they cannot tell a parent or authorities, perhaps never or only do so years later and in turn. Apparently at Penn State (and elsewhere where Sandusky did his terrible acts) there was no or inadequate rules or enforcement of them as to how adults and minors are to be protected from sexual assault. Many schools, churches, youth groups have strict polices where adults cannot be alone with children, another adult must be in the same room or close by to reduce the risks of sexual assault. Children and their parents must also be educated as to actions of potential sexual assaults.

Another part of this issue is how institutions - whether they they be colleges, schools, religious, youth groups or businesses will hide any scandal or illegal acts and not do the right actions. They will not report them to police or prosecution authorities or the police or prosecution, perhaps due to politics or fear of offending powerful persons or the difficult of prosecuting such alleged crimes, do not do their job. Indeed Paterno had the power could have told Sandusky - who was a guest, and not an employee in 2003 - that he was banned from all campus facilities until and unless a proper investigation occurred. All parties, the laws must do their job and protect victims first and not worry about how it wil play in the media, affect the fund raising from alumni. Now Penn State is facing a major cut in such fund raising due to their terrible choices in doing their jobs.

Paterno himself was too old and had become too powerful in his position until he embarassed the school and the board had to ditch him to save their sorry butts. I suspect too they had long wanted to ditch him and now had the 'gotcha' where they could. He was of an age that he did not or could not understand the idea of sexual abuse of children. He was on a god-like pedestal where he could do no wrong although he could have followed up more as to the allegations and the lack of actions by the schools' police and the board. He also covered up for players who had committed crimes for years, keeping them on the team with some very obvious exceptions. All schools should put major responsibility on all coaches and AD's as to if something wrong happens and in fear of losing their jobs if they fail. They should also be paid a lot less and not put onto an untouchable pedestal. There should also be a cap on how long by age, perhaps at age 75, for one to be in such a job.

Despite the much good Joe Pateno did for the school, including returning much of his income to facilities, attracting money from alumni, putting out good football and affecting positively 1000's of men (and women). Now his legacy will be more about how he handled a sexual assault.


User currently offlineBraniff747SP From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 2983 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 2202 times:

It's official and confirmed- CNN reports that he died today; the family confirms.


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User currently offlinedl021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11447 posts, RR: 75
Reply 22, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2093 times:
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It's reported now...official.

He was destroyed by this scandal, and I disagree with Mir...I believe the guy turned it over to the university to handle. Was he trying to damage any children? No..the damage to them was done. The person responsible was removed from that position and the leadership at the university who dropped the ball let him down as well. Could he have done more? Sure..he could have screamed to the high heavens but that's bot where he was from. He wanted to keep the damage down to all concerned. Did he do nothing? No. He followed their procedure and reported what he was told. He didn't see it, the person who did didn't call the police....and then later decided to blame others. Was he hung out to dry by the trustees? Yes. Was it a tragedy that mars one of the greatest coaches in college history? Yes.

Either way....thousands of young men benefitted from his leadership, coaching and mentoring. I hope he does rest in peace.



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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21625 posts, RR: 55
Reply 23, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2070 times:

Quoting dl021 (Reply 22):
Could he have done more? Sure..he could have screamed to the high heavens but that's bot where he was from.

May not have been where he was from, but it's what he should have done. He had an incredible bully pulpit as a result of his status, probably had a direct line to the governor's office, etc. If he had raised hell about it, you can bet that something would have been done.

I don't think he's a fundamentally bad person, but he did let the victims down, and more importantly let the fundamental principles of justice in this country (when you commit a crime, you get punished for it) down, and he (properly) lost his job for it. That's, as far as I'm concerned, the end of it - he's not a child molester, he's a decent man who happened to make a very bad decision. And while that decision will be remembered, his other accomplishments should be remembered as well.

-Mir



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User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5613 posts, RR: 51
Reply 24, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2057 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 5):
He didn't get the short end of the stick at all. He deserved to lose his job over what happened.

yep

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 20):

Paterno himself was too old and had become too powerful in his position until he embarassed the school and the board had to ditch him to save their sorry butts. I suspect too they had long wanted to ditch him and now had the 'gotcha' where they could. He was of an age that he did not or could not understand the idea of sexual abuse of children.

That last line... nailed it!

He came from a time where that kind abuse was dealt with by a random "Don't do it again.." from the cops to abusive parents being ordered to counseling .. and that's it. Very little prosecution back then -

..but more importantly, Joe was gonna be asked how well he knew his friend Sandusky? And to provide an honest and detailed answer to that -- well, let's say .. look at your own best friend (if you have one).. I guarantee you know things about his wife doesn't. I'll leave it at that.

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 20):
He was on a god-like pedestal where he could do no wrong although he could have followed up more as to the allegations and the lack of actions by the schools' police and the board.

Exactly, he could have put this thing to bed in a flash...if he viewed it as most do today.

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 20):
He also covered up for players who had committed crimes for years, keeping them on the team with some very obvious exceptions

Absolutely, and that's the choice of 'how much muscle do I put into this?' .. proving he DID NOT always 'follow procedure' .. he (as do many coaches) bend, break the rules for favorites or certain situations, it's no secret at all. This abuse thing was something that 'because of how Joe had grown up and been exposed to it... it simply didn't rise to the rivaled urgency of an endangered preferred player'. ..PLUS his friend was at the center of it - and Joe took an 'I don't wanna know about it attitude. Then it came home to roost.

Sorry Joe, but you could have handled this much much better.

BN747

[Edited 2012-01-22 10:39:21]


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25 Cadet985 : Let me ask all of you posting negatively about Joe Paterno something. What did he do to deserve to be fired? Nothing that Sandusky did happened while
26 Mir : A lot of people get fired for things they do that are not illegal, but still not appropriate. -Mir
27 Stabilator : Just because he sought it out to the extent of the law doesn't mean he couldn't have done more. His morals should have made him ensure Sandusky was r
28 Post contains links D L X : I guarantee you there is nothing that Paterno could have reasonably done in 2002 that the people on this thread would agree was "enough" in 2012. You
29 BN747 : From your article... Sandusky retired in 1999 and had not worked with Paterno, who said the two were not close, in three years. He said their relatio
30 seb146 : He had first hand knowledge of a crime but didn't report it to the police. Only stopping at the next person in his chain of command. Wrong. The first
31 Post contains links BMI727 : ...instead he sat around wondering if it was possible to rape a man. Anyway, Dan Bernstein hit the nail on the head about Paterno: http://chicago.cbs
32 BN747 : Exactly, and thrtr's no doubt in my mind that over all those years Joe 'intervened' with cops to save a few players who went off the rails. ..he coul
33 Post contains links ltbewr : One other issue is how do you mourn this man after his recent death considering his controversial part as to this serious scandal. This article discus
34 Post contains links D L X : Translation: "I've made up my mind, and I will not accept anything that Joe Paterno said as true." If that translation is accurate, then we do not ha
35 BN747 : Better translation, you're extremely gullible to real life situations masked by public relations interference, That's your best case forward? You're
36 seb146 : I tried to read the testimony. Dusgusting. What I read on pages 7, 8, and 9 tell me that Paterno knew about two instances and told one person. That o
37 D L X : YES. Sports writers do almost zero investigation, especially outside the world of sports. Sports writers broadcast rumor and innuendo as if it were v
38 BN747 : It's a whole other culture and you'll never ever.. get it. You totally get it. Joe's answers for that link you provided were 'prepped for that interv
39 D L X : No sir, I do not understand what you are saying. I'm trying to, but you're not very clear. It seems to me that you have made up your mind, and any st
40 BN747 : And you appear to believe that anything the media says or what he says was the absolute truth. As I am entitled to forcefully state your egregiously
41 seb146 : Page 7. The incident with Victim 2 was seen on Friday, Paterno was notified on Saturday and Paterno told Curly on Sunday. Curly, in turn waited A WEE
42 steeler83 : After reading your post, I think I'd have to agree with that. He even said he wished he'd done more with this scandle than what was done. In any case
43 Post contains images EA CO AS : Gotta love a D L X vs. BN747 discussion - it's the epitome of "irresistible force meets immovable object." (And gentlemen, I mean that as a compliment
44 BN747 : Nicest thing you've ever said to me (I think)... soooo a 'thanks' is in order I guess. And I can guess my role in this cage match. BN747
45 D L X : You are not reading the report correctly. "Victim 2" is the John Doe name given to one of the victims. Victims 1, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, and 8 are not even m
46 BN747 : Oh please, I'm sure he had everything from anonymous phone calls, notes all kinds of hints, golf course chatter and other odd clues. It's just someth
47 seb146 : Right. So, there was just one *ONE* victim Paterno was told about in this affidavit. And, no, I did not see any dates for any of the victims. I was l
48 D L X : Seb, you do realize that in 1998, the mother of one of the victims had the police sting Sandusky? They called him on the phone, and got him to admit
49 seb146 : He has power and money that the woman in 1998 did not. Sandusky has power to keep all those other victims quiet. I never thought he was a god or god-
50 Post contains links mbmbos : Here's a satirical article I think is apropos: http://www.theonion.com/articles/joe...pital-doctors-promise-to-te,27125/
51 Post contains links BMI727 : Here's another one, which sadly, is also often rather accurate as well. http://twitter.com/#!/UndeadPaterno
52 BN747 : If that's true ..and you're the lawyer, why don't you tell us why THAT didn't work..and while you're contemplating it, feel free to go back and revis
53 AirframeAS : I am one of those people who believe that, among a million of other folks. I think he died of heartbreak (yes, you CAN die from that....) and the sca
54 Cadet985 : Under Pennsylvania's whistle blower laws, he can't be. Marc
55 AirframeAS : That law is pathetic, and should be done away with in these circumstances. He should be fired as well. He, too, had a duty to go to law enforcement i
56 FlyPNS1 : Because JoePa was the reason the taped confession didn't work. The police didn't want to smear his good name, so they didn't do their job with the co
57 D L X : What the flying freak?! How does that make any sense at all? Especially considering that JoePa was not involved in any way in this matter until 4 yea
58 FlyPNS1 : It makes sense because people revered JoePa and the football program. No one wanted to be the one that brought it all crumbling down. And you really
59 D L X : Utter bull. Plain and simple. It is the most ridiculous idea that the State Police would not investigate a child rape spree to protect JoePa. At this
60 USPIT10L : It doesn't really matter at this point--just about the entire staff was not retained when the new coach took over. Only three coaches kept their jobs
61 BN747 : Okay, this... ...and this... Both can not be true. Like matter and anti-matter, both cannot occupy the same space at the same time..one has to go, So
62 Post contains images D L X : I think you can figure out how both sentences fit together. One says that the State Police would not hide a rape spree to protect Joe Pa. The other s
63 BN747 : As you like say BS - YOUR words there say ...the cops got a prosecutors dream confession - on tape. And weren't able to convict Sandusky... (I had no
64 D L X : My words are clear and I stand by them. First, I never said there was a trial. I said that the state did not convict him. As for the evidence, it is
65 BN747 : To say he was not convicted...suggest a trial took place. Being an attorney, I'd expect you to phrase the occurrence accurately. BN747
66 AirframeAS : He was placed on Admin leave by Penn State. He did not elect to do this on his own will.
67 USPIT10L : IIRC, he did not want to coach against Nebraska either way. After that, he was placed on leave.
68 canoecarrier : I can't believe I'm jumping into this hornets nest. Oh well here it goes. DLX I appreciate your take on this so far, and I'm sorry that you seem to be
69 D L X : I'm not alone though. I've had a few people private message me saying they agree, but they're afraid they will be labeled a pedophile sympathizer.
70 canoecarrier : Publicly, I don't think you are. JoPa was a good man.
71 BN747 : WTH did you get that'sa what BN wants? Explain yourself...??? BN747
72 BMI727 : How great can a man who enables the rape of children possibly be? Do you really think that this "great man" who inspires hundreds of idiots to gather
73 Mir : Hold a press conference, say what happened, apologize on behalf of the program, and say that you hope that those accountable will be brought to justi
74 BN747 : Since you won't answer my 1st question, then consider this... and using your false analogy towards me. What is the difference between what has occurr
75 starbuk7 : I wholly agree with D L X and canoecarrier. JoePa did what he was supposed to do in that situation. What Sandusky did was very wrong and he should be
76 D L X : No, we're just not emotionally driven illogical people. Obviously, the board of trustees and the 2011 grand jury. No. You would never do that. You wo
77 jamincan : There are a lot of naive people on here with regard to Paterno. I think he definitely knew far more than he lets on. As for Paterno, I don't necessari
78 BN747 : Try incredibly naive! They are letting their emotions and sympathies to drown out common sense. There's too much 'trying to apply perspectives of one
79 BMI727 : You're defending a guy who enabled a rapist and sympathizing with a pedophile. How anyone can not have wanted to see Paterno be thrown under a bus fo
80 canoecarrier : It is not the place of the citizenry to take the law in their own hands. Paterno was described by the Pennsylvania AD as a "cooperating witness" the
81 BN747 : Thank goodness Good Samaritans don't follow your lead. Erase their works and take a good hard look at the social landscape...it'd be horrific. The re
82 canoecarrier : The night that the McQuery saw what he did in the showers at PSU, Paterno was at home. Do you expect him to go down and shoot the guy? Absolutely no
83 BMI727 : Paterno was a PSU official, and for all intents and purposes, the most important PSU official. You cannot make a case that a guy whose lawn is crowde
84 D L X : And that sentence right there is the emotion laden drivel that I'm talking about. And this sentence does not describe the actual facts. By 2002, Sand
85 canoecarrier : So important he couldn't save his own job? Your comment is opinion not fact. You say that people Paterno's age were used to "an era where priest were
86 BMI727 : ...and yet Sandusky was still around raping kids. Why did he get fired in the first place if everything Paterno did was in accordance with procedure?
87 D L X : This is correct. But people here want to condemn Paterno for not spreading hearsay. This is also true, as reported by the grand jury presentment, whi
88 Post contains images BMI727 : Sandusky was fired in 1999. But somehow he managed to get caught diddling a little boy in their showers in 2002. How many people get to continue to u
89 SA7700 : This thread will be locked as it has become an off-topic flamefest, used by certain members to insult one another. Any posts added after the thread lo
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