flanker From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1506 posts, RR: 1 Posted (4 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1622 times:
I BELIEVE IN YOU ELI....
What do you guys think? Pats are going to have a tough time with the way the Giants are playing, but then again who knows.. knowing Eli, he will throw a pick to end the game. On the same hand I am just as scared of Brady being a noob under pressure.
I'm tied in my pool for 1st.. its going to come down to the Superbowl.
[Edited 2012-01-22 22:17:41]
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Mir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 17876 posts, RR: 59 Reply 1, posted (4 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1616 times:
Ironic that the Colts pretty much strongarmed the NFL into giving them a Super Bowl in their building so that they could have Manning playing in a Super Bowl in their own building. They'll get their wish...just with a different Manning.
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vikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 6516 posts, RR: 29 Reply 2, posted (4 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1603 times:
Well, as a Pats fan, I'm kind of happy to get a rematch against the Giants....but at the same time, Eli Manning makes me nervous. He and the Giants are riding a hot streak right now.
Very close games today! Almost had a heart attack toward the end of the Pats-Ravens game....
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vikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 6516 posts, RR: 29 Reply 4, posted (4 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1598 times:
Quoting flanker (Reply 3): The faces of the Ravens players were priceless...
Yep. Though to be honest, I actually wanted to guy to make the field goal. I feel incredibly bad for him - I'd rather that he made it and the game went to overtime. I never like seeing kickers miss clutch field goals - especially relatively easy ones.
But oh well, at least the Pats won.
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Revelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 8076 posts, RR: 13 Reply 6, posted (4 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1532 times:
As a Pats fan, I'm glad we got past the Ravens.
The Pats did much better than I thought they would along the line. They gave Brady a lot of time to throw, they in general did a good job in the run blocking department and the defensive line stopped the run pretty good.
Brady is getting heaps of criticism about his play (especially his "I sucked" line) but I think he played a good game. Yes, there were the two INTs, one due to a flukey bounce and an exceptional play by the Ravens, but he made dozens of great throws all night. He got the ball out quick which is essential against a great defense.
The problem areas are really at wide receiver and at defensive backfield.
You really can't feel great going to the SB with wideouts like Julian freaking Edelman, Matthew freaking Slater, Chad freaking Ochocinco and Deon freaking Branch. Welker is great, but he's a slot receiver. There's no deep threat. It's not for lack of trying. The Pats have drafted wideouts fairly high, but no luck there.
You could see the Ravens didn't bother respecting the Pats deep game and it didn't cost them a thing. In fact the INT in the end zone was because they had no fear of Slater making a play.
As we say in Boston, Randy Moss isn't walking through that freaking door.
The Pats DBs let up big plays to the Raven's relatively average wideouts. They will really struggle with Manningham, Nix and Cruz.
I see the opening line favors the Pats by 3. I would have thought it would be the opposite of that.
Seriously, he held onto it tonight like it was his protective stuffed animal.
Eli attempted 58 passes in the game - how many more would you like? Yes, when he got hit or sacked, he held onto the ball, that's what he is supposed to do. Or are you talking about how he held onto the ball and moved around, avoiding defenders, until he had someone open to throw to? I think he did a masterful job - you might even call it elite.
EasternSon From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 649 posts, RR: 1 Reply 8, posted (4 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1462 times:
Quoting moose135 (Reply 7): he held onto the ball and moved around, avoiding defenders, until he had someone open to throw to
Even Troy Aikman complemented his presence and awareness in the pocket, and he never says anything good about the Giants.
With regard to the match-up between the Patriots and Giants, I do believe that NY has the upper hand, albeit by a slight margin.
I think the New England secondary is going to have a really, really tough time covering three good deep threats in Manningham, Nix and Cruz. If Eli is given time to find a receiver, he's going to complete a lot of passes. The NY running game is still horrible right now - I find it hard to watch Brandon Jacobs falling over the first time anyone touches him.
Brady is one hell of a quarterback, and I'm not counting the Patriots out by any means. Their offensive attack can be brutal when they're firing on all cylinders. But, if they look like they did against Baltimore, it's going to be hard to put up points. The Giant defense needs to keep heavy pressure on Brady to keep him off balance.
It's going to be a nail-biter, I think.
"The only people for me are the mad ones...." Jack Kerouac
I've always been a believer in momentum - that a team peaking toward the end of the season does better in the playoffs than a team which started strong and 'maintained' their record.
The terrible, lousey, cheating, no account, sloppy Giants have that now.
They are going to give the Patriots a hard time.
But Sunday's game against the Ravens helped the Patriots more than the previous game against the Broncos. They had ot work for it, and know they can't just walk on the field and win before the coin toss.
We could have that rare competitive, fight to the last play Super Bowl!!!
PHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 6974 posts, RR: 31 Reply 10, posted (4 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1443 times:
Quoting Mir (Reply 1): Ironic that the Colts pretty much strongarmed the NFL into giving them a Super Bowl in their building so that they could have Manning playing in a Super Bowl in their own building. They'll get their wish...just with a different Manning.
I guess the Giants didn't want to wait another 2 years for Super Bowl XLVIII to be played on their home turf.
Looks like Super Bowl XLVI is essentially a rematch of Super Bowl XLII.
Should be a good game.
Go Patriots! (Sorry, Mir).
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n229nw From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 1746 posts, RR: 43 Reply 11, posted (4 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1371 times:
Oh yeah! Time to right what went wrong last time these teams met in a superbowl.
That said, though I really want the Pats to win, you've got to have serious respect for the way in which the Giants have been pulling themselves together and playing. The seem to come up trumps when the pressure is on and it really matters.
Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 2): Very close games today! Almost had a heart attack toward the end of the Pats-Ravens game....
Yeah, I felt really bad for Cundiff, the Ravens' kicker. I also felt really bad for Kyle Williams whose two[!] decisive fumbles in the Giants/Niners game really ended up coming home to roost. But I like both game results in any case...
Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 2): Well, as a Pats fan, I'm kind of happy to get a rematch against the Giants....but at the same time, Eli Manning makes me nervous. He and the Giants are riding a hot streak right now.
And the Pats defense is not confidence-inducing...
Quoting Revelation (Reply 6): Julian freaking Edelman, Matthew freaking Slater, Chad freaking Ochocinco and Deon freaking Branch
Who knew they all had the same middle name? Did they look for that specifically in the draft?
ltbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 11686 posts, RR: 8 Reply 15, posted (4 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1239 times:
From the NY City area and living only 3 miles from Met Life Stadium, obviously I am supporting the GIANTS!!!
Both teams have serious flaws and strengths. The question is which team's flaws and strengths will have the advantage to win. Both have good coaching although I respect Couglin more than Beli-cheat. Both have great QB's and TE's/WR's. Both have issues at RB. Patriots have a better O-line, much better than the Giants. Giant's D is overall better, especially as to passing defense but Belichick is a Defensive master, excellent at making adjustments (as they did with the Ravens). I hope for an entertaining game, close to the end, probably not big on scoring and most likely some less heralded player making the difference for the winner.
4holer From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 2708 posts, RR: 12 Reply 16, posted (4 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1229 times:
Since I live west of the Delaware River, I am completely disinterested in this Super Bowl. I'm so bored by this matchup, that this football nut will probably watch Storage Wars or something. And I'm actually serious.
vikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 6516 posts, RR: 29 Reply 18, posted (4 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1221 times:
Quoting Revelation (Reply 6):
You really can't feel great going to the SB with wideouts like Julian freaking Edelman, Matthew freaking Slater, Chad freaking Ochocinco and Deon freaking Branch. Welker is great, but he's a slot receiver. There's no deep threat. It's not for lack of trying. The Pats have drafted wideouts fairly high, but no luck there.
Ochocinco wasn't playing against the Ravens, though I doubt it would have mattered much. Branch CAN be a deep threat (Brady had a long pass to him against the Broncos, though really it was a perfect throw by Brady rather than anything Branch did). But honestly, I'm pretty happy with the Pats' short-throw game - our yards-after-catch are second to none. I actually hate it when I see Brady let one fly deep. But I hear ya.
Quoting Revelation (Reply 6): You could see the Ravens didn't bother respecting the Pats deep game and it didn't cost them a thing. In fact the INT in the end zone was because they had no fear of Slater making a play.
Eh. that interception was simply a bad idea on Brady's part. Slater had little chance.
Quoting Revelation (Reply 6): The Pats DBs let up big plays to the Raven's relatively average wideouts. They will really struggle with Manningham, Nix and Cruz.
Well, the Pats did have the 2nd-worst pass defense in the league this year. They did step it up in the last few games, but a good offense can give them issues, as the Ravens did.
starbuk7 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 466 posts, RR: 4 Reply 19, posted (4 months 19 hours ago) and read 1196 times:
It would be really nice if both teams could lose!!
But, if I have to root for someone I guess it would be the Pats. I really do not want Brady to get a fourth ring and match Bradshaw who is the only Quarterback with 4 rings, but on the other hand I really do now want Eli to get another ring, mostly because of his arrogant father Archie, who says Eli is not going to play for San Diego and that Indianapolis should not draft Andrew Luck because it would be bad for Payton.
Both of his son's have rings and he does not, he needs to get out of their lives.
Quoting ltbewr (Reply 15): Both have great QB's and TE's/WR's
The Pats are of the 'dink and doink' variety, whereas the Giants are the kind that can stretch the field and expose a weak backfield and produce the big play.
Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 18): Branch CAN be a deep threat (Brady had a long pass to him against the Broncos, though really it was a perfect throw by Brady rather than anything Branch did).
Right, but Branch by himself doesn't draw double coverage and doesn't have the speed to stretch the field. He's out there because he's reliable, not because he's particularly fast, strong or tall. He'll burn the opposition if they make mistakes, but he himself isn't going to force the other team to make mistakes at this stage of his career.
People who don't follow the Pats closely don't realize how many draft picks the Pats burned before they got lucky with Hernandez and Gronkowski at TE. Belichick saw how effective Mark Bavaro was during the Giants of the 80s times, and he saw the tail end of Ben Coates's career in NE, and has tried drafting (Ben Watson, Daniel Graham both drafted in the 1st round, et al) and free agents (Christian Fouria et al) and has not been able to get what he wanted till now. The fact they drafted both in the same year shows they were still trying hard to get a fit.
They've also spent many draft picks on WRs (Bethel Johnson,Tiquan Price, et al) and have not drafted anyone decent since Branch, and now he's past his prime.
That's not a knock on their drafting, which is a function of what you need, where you draft, who is in the draft, and pure luck. It is just to point out they know they have had issues in the past at TE (now solved for a while) and WR (still not solved). The fact they gambled on Randy Moss with all his character issues shows that they were willing to go pretty far to get some WR talent. It's still a testament that they were able to coach him up and get a few good seasons out of him before he reverted to form.
My opinion about the game still is as above: The Giants present match-up problems that will be difficult for NE to deal with, especially with NYG's WRs and NEP's DBs. I have no idea why the Pats are three point favorites, other than pure name recognition. In my heart I am pulling for the Pats but my head keeps saying the Giants have the better all-around team and are playing well at this time of the year and should be favored.
vikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 6516 posts, RR: 29 Reply 21, posted (4 months 15 hours ago) and read 1172 times:
Quoting Revelation (Reply 20): The Giants present match-up problems that will be difficult for NE to deal with, especially with NYG's WRs and NEP's DBs.
Absolutely, and that's what scares me the most.
Quoting Revelation (Reply 20): I have no idea why the Pats are three point favorites, other than pure name recognition.
It's probably down to that they're pretty even (in my opinion), but Brady has a knack for pulling off clutch wins.
With that said, the last Pats-Giants Super Bowl didn't exactly end that way....
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Alias1024 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2502 posts, RR: 2 Reply 23, posted (4 months 14 hours ago) and read 1168 times:
I honestly don't care all that much, and probably won't watch the game. I'd have watched the Niners and Ravens, but this matchup does nothing for me. I'm sick and tired of the Patriots and their annoying fans, and I don't think the Giants are really all that good a team. I wish I wouldn't have to hear about it for next two weeks.
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LGWflyer From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2011, 2262 posts, RR: 1 Reply 24, posted (4 months 12 hours ago) and read 1158 times:
Quoting Revelation (Reply 20): If my wife were Gisele Bündchen, I'd be doing so gladly!
Haha!
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25 vikkyvik: Yeah. Even Brady said that he sucked after the Ravens game. I wouldn't phrase it quite that strongly, but he certainly wasn't quite up to par.
26 PHLBOS: Oh, I'm sorry; I guess civility is only for the *ahem* political *ahem* threads.
27 zippyjet: Congratulations to the Patriots and Giants. I wish we (Ravens) could have beat New England. At least this go around we were competitive to the bitter
28 flanker: SUPERBOWL FRIDAY WOOHOOO!!!!!!! Let the trashtalking begin!!!!
29 skysurfer: What a weekend! I've booked a long weekend (first in many many many months) and Sunday is gonna be awesome! Sunday morning is Manchester Utd vs Chelse
30 rfields5421: This thing isn't over yet? All the hype and coverage - are they really going to play a game? We've already seen most of the commercials.
31 DocLightning: Meh. It's not like any important teams are playing anyway.
32 flanker: Tied for first in my pool....GREAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT........ This game will decide the season...
33 747400sp: YES!!!!!!!!!!!! THE GIANT WIN! THAT WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT NY! I guess a BIG APPLE beat a bowl of bake beans! First Pass Game Post
35 Asturias: True, and yet I'm ambivalent - on one hand it's always neat when Brady and co strike out, but on the other hand I'm not fan of Eli and co. Congrats o
36 CRJ900LR: The Giants win!!!!!.......Eli ManningMVP!!!!!!!![Edited 2012-02-05 20:32:21]
37 DeltaMD90: I guess I have nothing really against the Patriots, it was just when they first started to do well, years ago, that EVERYONE became a Patriots/Tom Bra
38 flanker: I BELIEVE IN YOU ELIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII!!!!!
41 LGWflyer: Congrats to the Giants, and hope for the Jets to win next year! Anyway good try Pats...
42 geezer: I cheated ! I waited til it's all over ! The New York Giants, winners of of the Super Bowl ! As a Giant's fan, I really got a kick out of all the clos
43 Mir: Spent the whole day at the FBO in IND, so couldn't post until now, but: My thoughts exactly. To paraphrase Jon Stewart, this isn't about the fact that
44 DocLightning: If by "Jets" you mean "Niners," then I agree.
45 vikkyvik: Ah well, although I'm a Pats fan, my hatred for Eli Manning was actually reduced considerably today. He and his team won....and they deserved to win.
46 jcs17: Hell yeah! I planned a vacation day on Monday so I could celebrate appropriately tonight, and I certainly plan on taking a long lunch on Tuesday to ma
47 vikkyvik: Ha, so someone (probably someone at work on Friday) decided to write "Boston Sucks" on my rear windshield. Unfortunately for them, they actually wrote
48 flanker: The only way Aron Rodgers can get to the superbowl is by being a commentator....AHHAAHHAHAHHAHHHAHAHA
49 vikkyvik: You know he won the Super Bowl last year, right?
50 n229nw: Even though I am sad that the Pats lost, respect once again to the Giants. After a crappy start, what a game! Especially the nail-biting last quarter.
51 Asturias: Yeah and lost one game during the regular season. Then lost against the current Super Bowl champions in the playoffs. Gloating is something you can't
53 vikkyvik: OK. So you have no point, then. See Asturias' post right above yours.
54 zippyjet: Congratulations to the Giants. Which Superbowl winner had the worst regular season record? For that matter has their ever been a team with a .500 or l
55 flanker: Actually I do have a point. Obviously it flew right over your head since sarcasm is something foreign to you in both of my posts. I guess i should ha
56 flanker: He set a record alright!!!! First team to go 15-1 and not win a playoff game.. HAHAHHHHAHAHA!!!
57 vikkyvik: No, trust me, I get the sarcasm. I just don't get saying that about someone who won the Super Bowl last year.
58 Asturias: One of those 15 games included shaming the NYGs, defeating them soundly - demonstrating that their win in the playoffs was was: a fluke. It's pretty
59 moose135: You mean where the Packers won 38-35 on a field goal as time ran out? I don't think that qualifies as "defeating them soundly". If anything, the Gian
60 Asturias: Yeah I mean that game, when I watched it NYG were never a concern - despite what the close final score might seem to indicate. GB leading at half tim
61 flanker: Nope sorry they got spanked hard core. Giants ran away with it and as we see the only thing that mattes at the end is how you pull together and win i
62 flanker: Most def was! Packers got outplayed both times, except for a field goal.. plain and simple.
63 Asturias: Well I watched the game and that's not what happened. It doesn't matter to me how you make yourself feel better, pat yourself on the back as you like
64 Mir: Especially considering one of the Packers' touchdowns was a gift from the refs. Especially considering both the Packers' touchdowns in that game were
65 flanker: lol I am shaking from fear. The pack got outplayed by a team that played really well when they really had to, which says more about them than a 15-1
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