flanker From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1506 posts, RR: 1 Posted (4 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1622 times:
I BELIEVE IN YOU ELI....
What do you guys think? Pats are going to have a tough time with the way the Giants are playing, but then again who knows.. knowing Eli, he will throw a pick to end the game. On the same hand I am just as scared of Brady being a noob under pressure.
I'm tied in my pool for 1st.. its going to come down to the Superbowl.
[Edited 2012-01-22 22:17:41]
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Mir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 17876 posts, RR: 59 Reply 1, posted (4 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1616 times:
Ironic that the Colts pretty much strongarmed the NFL into giving them a Super Bowl in their building so that they could have Manning playing in a Super Bowl in their own building. They'll get their wish...just with a different Manning.
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vikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 6516 posts, RR: 29 Reply 2, posted (4 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1603 times:
Well, as a Pats fan, I'm kind of happy to get a rematch against the Giants....but at the same time, Eli Manning makes me nervous. He and the Giants are riding a hot streak right now.
Very close games today! Almost had a heart attack toward the end of the Pats-Ravens game....
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vikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 6516 posts, RR: 29 Reply 4, posted (4 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1598 times:
Quoting flanker (Reply 3): The faces of the Ravens players were priceless...
Yep. Though to be honest, I actually wanted to guy to make the field goal. I feel incredibly bad for him - I'd rather that he made it and the game went to overtime. I never like seeing kickers miss clutch field goals - especially relatively easy ones.
But oh well, at least the Pats won.
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Revelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 8076 posts, RR: 13 Reply 6, posted (4 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1532 times:
As a Pats fan, I'm glad we got past the Ravens.
The Pats did much better than I thought they would along the line. They gave Brady a lot of time to throw, they in general did a good job in the run blocking department and the defensive line stopped the run pretty good.
Brady is getting heaps of criticism about his play (especially his "I sucked" line) but I think he played a good game. Yes, there were the two INTs, one due to a flukey bounce and an exceptional play by the Ravens, but he made dozens of great throws all night. He got the ball out quick which is essential against a great defense.
The problem areas are really at wide receiver and at defensive backfield.
You really can't feel great going to the SB with wideouts like Julian freaking Edelman, Matthew freaking Slater, Chad freaking Ochocinco and Deon freaking Branch. Welker is great, but he's a slot receiver. There's no deep threat. It's not for lack of trying. The Pats have drafted wideouts fairly high, but no luck there.
You could see the Ravens didn't bother respecting the Pats deep game and it didn't cost them a thing. In fact the INT in the end zone was because they had no fear of Slater making a play.
As we say in Boston, Randy Moss isn't walking through that freaking door.
The Pats DBs let up big plays to the Raven's relatively average wideouts. They will really struggle with Manningham, Nix and Cruz.
I see the opening line favors the Pats by 3. I would have thought it would be the opposite of that.
Seriously, he held onto it tonight like it was his protective stuffed animal.
Eli attempted 58 passes in the game - how many more would you like? Yes, when he got hit or sacked, he held onto the ball, that's what he is supposed to do. Or are you talking about how he held onto the ball and moved around, avoiding defenders, until he had someone open to throw to? I think he did a masterful job - you might even call it elite.
EasternSon From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 649 posts, RR: 1 Reply 8, posted (4 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1462 times:
Quoting moose135 (Reply 7): he held onto the ball and moved around, avoiding defenders, until he had someone open to throw to
Even Troy Aikman complemented his presence and awareness in the pocket, and he never says anything good about the Giants.
With regard to the match-up between the Patriots and Giants, I do believe that NY has the upper hand, albeit by a slight margin.
I think the New England secondary is going to have a really, really tough time covering three good deep threats in Manningham, Nix and Cruz. If Eli is given time to find a receiver, he's going to complete a lot of passes. The NY running game is still horrible right now - I find it hard to watch Brandon Jacobs falling over the first time anyone touches him.
Brady is one hell of a quarterback, and I'm not counting the Patriots out by any means. Their offensive attack can be brutal when they're firing on all cylinders. But, if they look like they did against Baltimore, it's going to be hard to put up points. The Giant defense needs to keep heavy pressure on Brady to keep him off balance.
It's going to be a nail-biter, I think.
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I've always been a believer in momentum - that a team peaking toward the end of the season does better in the playoffs than a team which started strong and 'maintained' their record.
The terrible, lousey, cheating, no account, sloppy Giants have that now.
They are going to give the Patriots a hard time.
But Sunday's game against the Ravens helped the Patriots more than the previous game against the Broncos. They had ot work for it, and know they can't just walk on the field and win before the coin toss.
We could have that rare competitive, fight to the last play Super Bowl!!!
PHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 6974 posts, RR: 31 Reply 10, posted (4 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1443 times:
Quoting Mir (Reply 1): Ironic that the Colts pretty much strongarmed the NFL into giving them a Super Bowl in their building so that they could have Manning playing in a Super Bowl in their own building. They'll get their wish...just with a different Manning.
I guess the Giants didn't want to wait another 2 years for Super Bowl XLVIII to be played on their home turf.
Looks like Super Bowl XLVI is essentially a rematch of Super Bowl XLII.
Should be a good game.
Go Patriots! (Sorry, Mir).
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n229nw From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 1746 posts, RR: 43 Reply 11, posted (4 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1371 times:
Oh yeah! Time to right what went wrong last time these teams met in a superbowl.
That said, though I really want the Pats to win, you've got to have serious respect for the way in which the Giants have been pulling themselves together and playing. The seem to come up trumps when the pressure is on and it really matters.
Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 2): Very close games today! Almost had a heart attack toward the end of the Pats-Ravens game....
Yeah, I felt really bad for Cundiff, the Ravens' kicker. I also felt really bad for Kyle Williams whose two[!] decisive fumbles in the Giants/Niners game really ended up coming home to roost. But I like both game results in any case...
Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 2): Well, as a Pats fan, I'm kind of happy to get a rematch against the Giants....but at the same time, Eli Manning makes me nervous. He and the Giants are riding a hot streak right now.
And the Pats defense is not confidence-inducing...
Quoting Revelation (Reply 6): Julian freaking Edelman, Matthew freaking Slater, Chad freaking Ochocinco and Deon freaking Branch
Who knew they all had the same middle name? Did they look for that specifically in the draft?
ltbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 11686 posts, RR: 8 Reply 15, posted (4 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1239 times:
From the NY City area and living only 3 miles from Met Life Stadium, obviously I am supporting the GIANTS!!!
Both teams have serious flaws and strengths. The question is which team's flaws and strengths will have the advantage to win. Both have good coaching although I respect Couglin more than Beli-cheat. Both have great QB's and TE's/WR's. Both have issues at RB. Patriots have a better O-line, much better than the Giants. Giant's D is overall better, especially as to passing defense but Belichick is a Defensive master, excellent at making adjustments (as they did with the Ravens). I hope for an entertaining game, close to the end, probably not big on scoring and most likely some less heralded player making the difference for the winner.
4holer From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 2708 posts, RR: 12 Reply 16, posted (4 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1229 times:
Since I live west of the Delaware River, I am completely disinterested in this Super Bowl. I'm so bored by this matchup, that this football nut will probably watch Storage Wars or something. And I'm actually serious.
vikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 6516 posts, RR: 29 Reply 18, posted (4 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1221 times:
Quoting Revelation (Reply 6):
You really can't feel great going to the SB with wideouts like Julian freaking Edelman, Matthew freaking Slater, Chad freaking Ochocinco and Deon freaking Branch. Welker is great, but he's a slot receiver. There's no deep threat. It's not for lack of trying. The Pats have drafted wideouts fairly high, but no luck there.
Ochocinco wasn't playing against the Ravens, though I doubt it would have mattered much. Branch CAN be a deep threat (Brady had a long pass to him against the Broncos, though really it was a perfect throw by Brady rather than anything Branch did). But honestly, I'm pretty happy with the Pats' short-throw game - our yards-after-catch are second to none. I actually hate it when I see Brady let one fly deep. But I hear ya.
Quoting Revelation (Reply 6): You could see the Ravens didn't bother respecting the Pats deep game and it didn't cost them a thing. In fact the INT in the end zone was because they had no fear of Slater making a play.
Eh. that interception was simply a bad idea on Brady's part. Slater had little chance.
Quoting Revelation (Reply 6): The Pats DBs let up big plays to the Raven's relatively average wideouts. They will really struggle with Manningham, Nix and Cruz.
Well, the Pats did have the 2nd-worst pass defense in the league this year. They did step it up in the last few games, but a good offense can give them issues, as the Ravens did.
starbuk7 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 466 posts, RR: 4 Reply 19, posted (4 months 19 hours ago) and read 1196 times:
It would be really nice if both teams could lose!!
But, if I have to root for someone I guess it would be the Pats. I really do not want Brady to get a fourth ring and match Bradshaw who is the only Quarterback with 4 rings, but on the other hand I really do now want Eli to get another ring, mostly because of his arrogant father Archie, who says Eli is not going to play for San Diego and that Indianapolis should not draft Andrew Luck because it would be bad for Payton.
Both of his son's have rings and he does not, he needs to get out of their lives.
Quoting ltbewr (Reply 15): Both have great QB's and TE's/WR's
The Pats are of the 'dink and doink' variety, whereas the Giants are the kind that can stretch the field and expose a weak backfield and produce the big play.
Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 18): Branch CAN be a deep threat (Brady had a long pass to him against the Broncos, though really it was a perfect throw by Brady rather than anything Branch did).
Right, but Branch by himself doesn't draw double coverage and doesn't have the speed to stretch the field. He's out there because he's reliable, not because he's particularly fast, strong or tall. He'll burn the opposition if they make mistakes, but he himself isn't going to force the other team to make mistakes at this stage of his career.
People who don't follow the Pats closely don't realize how many draft picks the Pats burned before they got lucky with Hernandez and Gronkowski at TE. Belichick saw how effective Mark Bavaro was during the Giants of the 80s times, and he saw the tail end of Ben Coates's career in NE, and has tried drafting (Ben Watson, Daniel Graham both drafted in the 1st round, et al) and free agents (Christian Fouria et al) and has not been able to get what he wanted till now. The fact they drafted both in the same year shows they were still trying hard to get a fit.
They've also spent many draft picks on WRs (Bethel Johnson,Tiquan Price, et al) and have not drafted anyone decent since Branch, and now he's past his prime.
That's not a knock on their drafting, which is a function of what you need, where you draft, who is in the draft, and pure luck. It is just to point out they know they have had issues in the past at TE (now solved for a while) and WR (still not solved). The fact they gambled on Randy Moss with all his character issues shows that they were willing to go pretty far to get some WR talent. It's still a testament that they were able to coach him up and get a few good seasons out of him before he reverted to form.
My opinion about the game still is as above: The Giants present match-up problems that will be difficult for NE to deal with, especially with NYG's WRs and NEP's DBs. I have no idea why the Pats are three point favorites, other than pure name recognition. In my heart I am pulling for the Pats but my head keeps saying the Giants have the better all-around team and are playing well at this time of the year and should be favored.
vikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 6516 posts, RR: 29 Reply 21, posted (4 months 15 hours ago) and read 1172 times:
Quoting Revelation (Reply 20): The Giants present match-up problems that will be difficult for NE to deal with, especially with NYG's WRs and NEP's DBs.
Absolutely, and that's what scares me the most.
Quoting Revelation (Reply 20): I have no idea why the Pats are three point favorites, other than pure name recognition.
It's probably down to that they're pretty even (in my opinion), but Brady has a knack for pulling off clutch wins.
With that said, the last Pats-Giants Super Bowl didn't exactly end that way....
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Alias1024 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2502 posts, RR: 2 Reply 23, posted (4 months 14 hours ago) and read 1168 times:
I honestly don't care all that much, and probably won't watch the game. I'd have watched the Niners and Ravens, but this matchup does nothing for me. I'm sick and tired of the Patriots and their annoying fans, and I don't think the Giants are really all that good a team. I wish I wouldn't have to hear about it for next two weeks.
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PHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 6974 posts, RR: 31 Reply 26, posted (4 months 12 hours ago) and read 1181 times:
Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 18): I can find no other explanation for you apologizing to a Yankees fan, so I shall assume you simply lost your mind for a minute there.
Oh, I'm sorry; I guess civility is only for the *ahem* political *ahem* threads.
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zippyjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3808 posts, RR: 13 Reply 27, posted (4 months 5 hours ago) and read 1181 times:
Congratulations to the Patriots and Giants. I wish we (Ravens) could have beat New England. At least this go around we were competitive to the bitter end. For the Pats, this is basically them completing their journey. (blowing the Superbowl after their undefeated season). If Lady Brady was not injured chances are they would have done it the following season. I hope for a dramatic high scoring but nail biter till the end.
Memo to NFL: It's time to have full time younger athletic referees. The old coots who have trouble keeping up with the players and working part time is so 1950's. Amazing how the lawyers and bean counters have infiltrated football but the referees are still a throwback to the early days of Johnny U and Y.A. Tittle!
skysurfer From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 1131 posts, RR: 17 Reply 29, posted (3 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 1038 times:
What a weekend! I've booked a long weekend (first in many many many months) and Sunday is gonna be awesome! Sunday morning is Manchester Utd vs Chelsea, so it's off to the pub for a cheap brekkie and a pint or two to watch the game, then home to watch the Pats come through!
Oh, and did I forget to mention the GF is off to the Bahama's on Saturday, leaving the tv remote behind! Haha
Who said Canadian winters were long!
Cheers
Stu
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DeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 2697 posts, RR: 25 Reply 34, posted (3 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 816 times:
True, and yet I'm ambivalent - on one hand it's always neat when Brady and co strike out, but on the other hand I'm not fan of Eli and co.
Congrats on winning Giants and Giants fans. It was a well deserved victory, all in all, but the game was a grinder and scored pretty low on the entertainment scale.
DeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 2697 posts, RR: 25 Reply 37, posted (3 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 808 times:
I guess I have nothing really against the Patriots, it was just when they first started to do well, years ago, that EVERYONE became a Patriots/Tom Brady fan. You can't just wait until a team starts winning and jump on that band wagon, choose a team you love and stick with them! I love the Buffalo Bills despite how not well they play most of the time (and I was too young to see them at the Super Bowl and remember.)
So the obnoxious Patriots fans (not saying all, but a lot that I've seen) and Tom Brady just ruined it for me. I don't really care about Eli Manning that much, so Giants it was!
It was a good game, both teams played pretty well (until the end, the Patriots were really blowing it)
KaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 11740 posts, RR: 49 Reply 39, posted (3 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 778 times:
DeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 2697 posts, RR: 25 Reply 40, posted (3 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 777 times:
geezer From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 715 posts, RR: 1 Reply 42, posted (3 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 753 times:
I cheated ! I waited til it's all over ! The New York Giants, winners of of the Super Bowl !
As a Giant's fan, I really got a kick out of all the close-ups of Brady on the bench when the Giants had the ball; pretty much says it all.........the Patriots have an anti-social coach, and a cry-baby quarterback; I can't wait to see pictures of Peyton and Eli together, showing off their rings !
My thoughts exactly. To paraphrase Jon Stewart, this isn't about the fact that New York is better than Boston, it's about the people - it's about the people of New York being better than the people of Boston.
Quoting LGWflyer (Reply 41): hope for the Jets to win next year!
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DocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 14050 posts, RR: 55 Reply 44, posted (3 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 729 times:
Quoting LGWflyer (Reply 41): Congrats to the Giants, and hope for the Jets to win next year!
jcs17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8037 posts, RR: 50 Reply 46, posted (3 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 723 times:
Hell yeah! I planned a vacation day on Monday so I could celebrate appropriately tonight, and I certainly plan on taking a long lunch on Tuesday to make it down to the Canyon of Heroes. My first ticker-tape parade, I cannot wait. It was an absolutely amazing win. The Patriots neutralized Victor Cruz, but they forgot about Mario Manningham who has been somewhat of an afterthought this entire season. Eli Manning joins the ranks of Troy Aikman and Joe Montana, and makes his brother somewhat of an afterthought -- something inconcievable going into the 2011 season.
vikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 6516 posts, RR: 29 Reply 49, posted (3 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 623 times:
Quoting flanker (Reply 48): The only way Aron Rodgers can get to the superbowl is by being a commentator....AHHAAHHAHAHHAHHHAHAHA
You know he won the Super Bowl last year, right?
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Asturias From Spain, joined Apr 2006, 1767 posts, RR: 19 Reply 51, posted (3 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 445 times:
Quoting flanker (Reply 48): The only way Aron Rodgers can get to the superbowl is by being a commentator....AHHAAHHAHAHHAHHHAHAHA
Quoting flanker (Reply 48): You know he won the Super Bowl last year, right?
Yeah and lost one game during the regular season. Then lost against the current Super Bowl champions in the playoffs.
Gloating is something you can't afford, flanker, when gloating at the "cost" of the Packers or Rodgers this season. There's no balance on the gloating account regarding the Packers, no matter what your team is. They may well be the ones stomping NYG or the Patriots to the ground next season. In fact they're on the short list to do so.
zippyjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3808 posts, RR: 13 Reply 54, posted (3 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 429 times:
Congratulations to the Giants. Which Superbowl winner had the worst regular season record? For that matter has their ever been a team with a .500 or less winning record in their regular season who lost their Superbowl contest?
flanker From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1506 posts, RR: 1 Reply 56, posted (3 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 412 times:
Quoting Asturias (Reply 51): Gloating is something you can't afford, flanker, when gloating at the "cost" of the Packers or Rodgers this season. There's no balance on the gloating account regarding the Packers, no matter what your team is. They may well be the ones stomping NYG or the Patriots to the ground next season. In fact they're on the short list to do so.
He set a record alright!!!! First team to go 15-1 and not win a playoff game.. HAHAHHHHAHAHA!!!
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Asturias From Spain, joined Apr 2006, 1767 posts, RR: 19 Reply 58, posted (3 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 384 times:
Quoting flanker (Reply 56): He set a record alright!!!! First team to go 15-1 and not win a playoff game.. HAHAHHHHAHAHA!!!
One of those 15 games included shaming the NYGs, defeating them soundly - demonstrating that their win in the playoffs was was: a fluke. It's pretty obvious which is the better team, one wins some and one loses some - but in aggregate, the Packers is a better team than the NYG and would always win more often than they lose.
moose135 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1834 posts, RR: 14 Reply 59, posted (3 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 377 times:
Quoting Asturias (Reply 58): One of those 15 games included shaming the NYGs, defeating them soundly - demonstrating that their win in the playoffs was was: a fluke.
You mean where the Packers won 38-35 on a field goal as time ran out? I don't think that qualifies as "defeating them soundly". If anything, the Giants' 37-20 win in the playoff game was more of a "sound defeat".
Asturias From Spain, joined Apr 2006, 1767 posts, RR: 19 Reply 60, posted (3 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 373 times:
Quoting moose135 (Reply 59): You mean where the Packers won 38-35 on a field goal as time ran out? I don't think that qualifies as "defeating them soundly". If anything, the Giants' 37-20 win in the playoff game was more of a "sound defeat".
Yeah I mean that game, when I watched it NYG were never a concern - despite what the close final score might seem to indicate. GB leading at half time by one score, leading in 3rd quarter and then finally sealing the deal in 4th. NYG never got it together in that game.
They didn't play bad football, they played as well as they could, but still lost. In the playoffs the NYG played a less convincing game than when they met the Packers in regular season, but GB played atrociously in that game.
When I see NYG playing their average game against GB playing their average game, GB always wins.
flanker From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1506 posts, RR: 1 Reply 61, posted (3 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 357 times:
Quoting Asturias (Reply 58): It's pretty obvious which is the better team, one wins some and one loses some - but in aggregate, the Packers is a better team than the NYG and would always win more often than they lose.
Nope sorry they got spanked hard core. Giants ran away with it and as we see the only thing that mattes at the end is how you pull together and win in the playoffs. Something your dear packers could not do.
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Asturias From Spain, joined Apr 2006, 1767 posts, RR: 19 Reply 63, posted (3 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 343 times:
Quoting flanker (Reply 61): Nope sorry they got spanked hard core. Giants ran away with it and as we see the only thing that mattes at the end is how you pull together and win in the playoffs. Something your dear packers could not do.
Well I watched the game and that's not what happened. It doesn't matter to me how you make yourself feel better, pat yourself on the back as you like, but the rather humiliating fact remains - the Packers lost because they played an unusually bad game, not because whatever NYG was doing on the field that day.
In fact playing like that they'd have lost against KC - which incidentally they did. Which means winning or losing against teams like NYG is completely in the hands of the Packers themselves, which just highlights how damn good they are. NYG playing their best game against the Packers playing their best game always ends with a NYG loss and a Green Bay win.
The fact that you're making such a fuss about this certainly indicates that you know this. You fear the Packers. As you should.
Mir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 17876 posts, RR: 59 Reply 64, posted (3 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 335 times:
Quoting moose135 (Reply 59): You mean where the Packers won 38-35 on a field goal as time ran out? I don't think that qualifies as "defeating them soundly".
Especially considering one of the Packers' touchdowns was a gift from the refs.
Quoting moose135 (Reply 59): If anything, the Giants' 37-20 win in the playoff game was more of a "sound defeat".
Especially considering both the Packers' touchdowns in that game were gifts from the refs. The Packers were lucky to put 20 on the board - should have been more like 6.
-Mir
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flanker From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1506 posts, RR: 1 Reply 65, posted (3 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 331 times:
Quoting Asturias (Reply 63): The fact that you're making such a fuss about this certainly indicates that you know this. You fear the Packers. As you should.
lol I am shaking from fear.
Quoting Asturias (Reply 63): Well I watched the game and that's not what happened. It doesn't matter to me how you make yourself feel better, pat yourself on the back as you like, but the rather humiliating fact remains - the Packers lost because they played an unusually bad game, not because whatever NYG was doing on the field that day.
The pack got outplayed by a team that played really well when they really had to, which says more about them than a 15-1 season.
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