747400sp From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3183 posts, RR: 3 Posted (3 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1075 times:
Do you think there is any new forms of transportation, that has not been discovered yet? If so, what ideal can you could come up with? From a container cargo point of view, I would like to sea trains, eight hull like vehicle, that can carry 20000 TEU each, which are hook together and pulled by a ship made of all engine, would be a good ideal.
mham001 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2557 posts, RR: 3 Reply 1, posted (3 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1074 times:
Quoting 747400sp (Thread starter): I would like to sea trains, eight hull like vehicle, that can carry 20000 TEU each, which are hook together and pulled by a ship made of all engine, would be a good ideal.
aloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 7588 posts, RR: 51 Reply 2, posted (3 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1042 times:
We've conquered land, sea, sky and a tiny patch of space. So hopefully, the more of that will be explored by that. How? I have no idea, but perhaps ion propulsion will help us:
Quote: The propulsion of choice for science fiction writers has become the propulsion of choice for scientists and engineers at NASA. The ion propulsion system's efficient use of fuel and electrical power enable modern spacecraft to travel farther, faster, and cheaper than any other propulsion technology currently available. Ion thrusters are currently used for stationkeeping on communication satellites and for main propulsion on deep space probes. Ion thrusters expel ions to create thrust and can provide higher spacecraft top speeds than any other rocket currently available.
zippyjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3808 posts, RR: 13 Reply 6, posted (3 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 825 times:
Though due to weight, fuel and real estate it will probably never happen but something like the Auto Train but instead the Auto Plane! Imagine your car and you flying from point to point. Would be something for the snowbirds to head south to Florida. It would be reaaly cool to have my car go with me and in two hours me and my car are touching down in MIA! I am not a fan of long drives especially with working in our industry for close to ten years. And with my Chihuahua bladder that adds the leak factor to my travel.
aloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 7588 posts, RR: 51 Reply 7, posted (3 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 814 times:
Quoting zippyjet (Reply 6): Though due to weight, fuel and real estate it will probably never happen but something like the Auto Train but instead the Auto Plane! Imagine your car and you flying from point to point.
KiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 3628 posts, RR: 2 Reply 8, posted (3 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 804 times:
Quoting 747400sp (Thread starter): From a container cargo point of view, I would like to sea trains, eight hull like vehicle, that can carry 20000 TEU each, which are hook together and pulled by a ship made of all engine, would be a good ideal.
Maersk are already operating 15200 TEU container ships, the E Class.
and have ordered the Triple E class which will be able to carry 18000 TEU.
We're probably a couple hundred years away from that...at least. Last I remember reading, scientists are just now getting to a point where they can teleport individual atoms a few feet.
It would definitely be cool, but it would kill commercial aviation.
SmithAir747 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1529 posts, RR: 38 Reply 11, posted (3 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 747 times:
Quoting Cadet985 (Reply 10): It would definitely be cool, but it would kill commercial aviation.
With the state the industry of commercial aviation is in, with the mad race to the bottom in quality of inflight service (especially in Economy), the nickeling and diming, the hassle, the congestion, and the time wasted in travel, and the industry's financial Titanic sinking fast, maybe it WOULD be the kindest thing to do!
Assuming that teleportation becomes possible: Imagine, instead of travelling miles out of the city to the airport, a business man or researcher (like me) could just go downtown to the central teleport terminal (preferably in an intermodal facility, connecting with public transport and commuter trains, like a Union Station) or one of several local teleport facilities.
This could be in ANY city, from Fort Wayne, IN, or Fargo, ND, or even Yellowknife, NWT, up to the size of Shanghai. The infrastructure could be much simpler (and cheaper) than the airports. Service could be direct, with no hubs or spokes as in traditional airline travel.
Check in, input your destination, and get into the appropriate individual portal (or even a multiperson portal), and ZAP! The next thing, you are in London or Shanghai or even Dunedin, New Zealand. "Routes" could be easily San Francisco to Fort Wayne, or Fort Wayne to London, nonstop.
The fares would be (eventually) much lower, and the fare structure simpler (no classes or buckets of fares). A simple "frequent teleporter" system (a simpler analogue of the frequent flyer mileage system) could reward frequent users with discounts or even free individual "trips".
Initially, this would be offered only to business travellers, and eventually evolve to replace the existing air travel system. How about eventually, office-to-office (or even campus-to-campus, for researchers or academics)?
The possibilities are endless, once we figure this out.
SmithAir747
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QFKangaroo747 From Australia, joined Nov 2004, 116 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (3 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 706 times:
Quoting SmithAir747 (Reply 11): Assuming that teleportation becomes possible: Imagine, instead of travelling miles out of the city to the airport, a business man or researcher (like me) could just go downtown to the central teleport terminal (preferably in an intermodal facility, connecting with public transport and commuter trains, like a Union Station) or one of several local teleport facilities.
I take your point and commend your enthusiasm and vision, but it struck me as a little ironic (in a comedic kind of way) that you would use this incredibly sophisticated modern technology to instantly transport yourself to anywhere in the world, only to rely on century-old modes of transportation to travel across town at either end of the teleportation
SmithAir747 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1529 posts, RR: 38 Reply 13, posted (3 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 682 times:
Quoting QFKangaroo747 (Reply 12): Quoting SmithAir747 (Reply 11):
Assuming that teleportation becomes possible: Imagine, instead of travelling miles out of the city to the airport, a business man or researcher (like me) could just go downtown to the central teleport terminal (preferably in an intermodal facility, connecting with public transport and commuter trains, like a Union Station) or one of several local teleport facilities.
I take your point and commend your enthusiasm and vision, but it struck me as a little ironic (in a comedic kind of way) that you would use this incredibly sophisticated modern technology to instantly transport yourself to anywhere in the world, only to rely on century-old modes of transportation to travel across town at either end of the teleportation
Actually, I have thought some more about this. Why not take it to its logical conclusion, ie, have on-site teleportation facilities in the university campus, or the workplace, or even at home?
Take for example my research work in the craniofacial research labs at UCSF, or my colleagues and professors. Say I put in a teleportation portal in the same building or on campus near my lab. Whenever we wanted to go to a major scientific conference (I often travel to these, domestically or internationally, to present my research), we could just teleport to the conference on the appointed day, and either stay there the whole time or even hop back and forth between campus and conference. We could even bring in visiting researchers or professors from other universities (if they are so equipped) the same way! The same thing could apply with any corporate office or other industry.
What's to stop people from installing their own portals at home (other than the price of the infrastructure and installation)? However, if everyone had one at home, and decided to go to Disneyland, Disneyland would get VERY crowded very fast, overwhelming the Mouse!
Then we would not need these centuries-old methods of transport...other than walking. Or would people get too lazy to walk outdoors?
I forgot to mention, this would not only be for human passengers; this would be applicable to shipping cargo or packages or even passengers' luggage (for the person to pick up on the other end after himself being teleported). Continuing my research example above, I could send specimens to other labs this way, and order laboratory supplies to be teleported to my lab.
SmithAir747
[Edited 2012-01-29 16:54:23]
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DeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 2696 posts, RR: 25 Reply 14, posted (3 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 680 times:
Quoting Cadet985 (Reply 10): Last I remember reading, scientists are just now getting to a point where they can teleport individual atoms a few feet.
QFKangaroo747 From Australia, joined Nov 2004, 116 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (3 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 660 times:
Quoting SmithAir747 (Reply 13): Actually, I have thought some more about this. Why not take it to its logical conclusion, ie, have on-site teleportation facilities in the university campus, or the workplace, or even at home?
Although it would open a whole new set of questions and dilemmas, it does seem that the logical conclusion when discussing teleportation as a future mode of transport is for the portals to be placed in the most convenient of locations, i.e. offices and other workplaces, and eventually in personal residences.
Quoting SmithAir747 (Reply 13): However, if everyone had one at home, and decided to go to Disneyland, Disneyland would get VERY crowded very fast, overwhelming the Mouse!
What a disaster! I think in that case Mickey would teleport himself to some remote island paradise just to get away from the chaos!
Seriously, though, teleportation would raise all kinds of dilemmas that we can only begin to imagine, spanning the spectrum from the logistical to the moral / ethical. You mention problems of laziness and overcrowding of popular destinations. These are major concerns and only the beginning. Another problem that occurred to me is the issue of security, especially if teleporting, as you suggest, non-human subjects such as cargo and luggage. What's to stop someone teleporting an explosive device from their portal at home to the portal of someone they don't much like?
Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 14): Quoting Cadet985 (Reply 10):
Last I remember reading, scientists are just now getting to a point where they can teleport individual atoms a few feet.
Wait what? That's news to me!
The last thing in the world I would ever be mistaken for is a quantum physisist and I know absolutely nothing of atomic theory, but do I remember reading something to this extent in the last year or so, so I believe there may be some truth in it.
Quoting 747400sp (Thread starter): I would like to sea trains, eight hull like vehicle, that can carry 20000 TEU each, which are hook together and pulled by a ship made of all engine, would be a good ideal.
Imagine being the port pilot in charge of guiding one of those monsters into port! Surely the 'train' would need uncoupling and each vessel taken into port for loading and unloading separately? But imagine the time this would take and how inefficient it would be.
DeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 2696 posts, RR: 25 Reply 17, posted (3 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 642 times:
Using google, look atom teleport atom. There are many articles going back to at least 2004.
Marc
Whoa freaky stuff. It brings up a creepy question. Since it really isn't taking atoms and teleporting them, rather, making a 2nd atom resemble the first, if someone teleports they essentially "die" and a "new you" is reborn. This new you remembers everything and it seems like they teleported, but what does the old you go through? Living living living instantly dead. Creepy!
SmithAir747 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1529 posts, RR: 38 Reply 18, posted (3 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 636 times:
Quoting QFKangaroo747 (Reply 16): Seriously, though, teleportation would raise all kinds of dilemmas that we can only begin to imagine, spanning the spectrum from the logistical to the moral / ethical. You mention problems of laziness and overcrowding of popular destinations. These are major concerns and only the beginning. Another problem that occurred to me is the issue of security, especially if teleporting, as you suggest, non-human subjects such as cargo and luggage. What's to stop someone teleporting an explosive device from their portal at home to the portal of someone they don't much like?
This is quite a fun discussion!
Regarding someone trying to smuggle something (contraband, weapons, explosives, drugs, biological agent weapons, etc.), perhaps some scanning technology needs to be built in to the teleportation portal in order to detect and prevent teleportation of said items. There needs to be a human operator, of course, who can be a gatekeeper for that purpose (and also to make sure someone who should not be teleporting anywhere is stopped).
Star Trek deals with this problem by having built-in detection that, during the teleportation, detects and eliminates anything that is not wanted or desirable (active weapons, biological agents, etc.) before the person gets to the destination.
SmithAir747
I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made... (Psalm 139:14)
go3team From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3244 posts, RR: 28 Reply 19, posted (3 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 620 times:
Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 17): Whoa freaky stuff. It brings up a creepy question. Since it really isn't taking atoms and teleporting them, rather, making a 2nd atom resemble the first, if someone teleports they essentially "die" and a "new you" is reborn. This new you remembers everything and it seems like they teleported, but what does the old you go through? Living living living instantly dead. Creepy!
If you get a chance, watch the movie "The Prestige". Definitely similar.
jet-lagged From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 797 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (3 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 612 times:
Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 17): Whoa freaky stuff. It brings up a creepy question. Since it really isn't taking atoms and teleporting them, rather, making a 2nd atom resemble the first, if someone teleports they essentially "die" and a "new you" is reborn. This new you remembers everything and it seems like they teleported, but what does the old you go through? Living living living instantly dead. Creepy!
Yeah, I won't volunteer for that.
Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 8): Maersk are already operating 15200 TEU container ships, the E Class.
and have ordered the Triple E class which will be able to carry 18000 TEU.
What monsters! Thanks for the interesting post and pictures.
747400sp From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3183 posts, RR: 3 Reply 21, posted (3 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 599 times:
Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 8): Maersk are already operating 15200 TEU container ships, the E Class.
and have ordered the Triple E class which will be able to carry 18000 TEU.[/quotes], so a sea train
I meant that each vessel would carry 20000 TEU. So with a 8 hull sea train, 160000 TEU can be transported.
[quote=QFKangaroo747,reply=16]Imagine being the port pilot in charge of guiding one of those monsters into port! Surely the 'train' would need uncoupling and each vessel taken into port for loading and unloading separately? But imagine the time this would take and how inefficient it would be.
Well if you put to mind, that if the sea train is operated like a land train, then all the crew would be in the motor vessel pulling the sea train. If it just a small crew, that is just slightly larger than a container ship, then you can move a ton of containers on a small crew. Now for those who worry about power, I believe an at least 1090000 shp engine in the motor vessel, will do the job. But there is still a ton of bugs in the ideal.
2707200X From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 5800 posts, RR: 1 Reply 22, posted (3 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 575 times:
I would say personal rapid transit, it is already in use at LHR and Morgantown WV. With the smaller pods you can go to the station you need to get to without stopping at other stations on your way to your destination. They are fully automated reducing costs associated with hiring a driver. For the less distant places you need to go, you can get there faster as you are on a beam or rail and you don't have to deal with car congestion and long red lights at the intersection making it easier on the user and easier on the the drivers below. Other advantages include reduced pollution, not having to worry about parking or getting your ride vandalized or stolen or having to look for your car in a vast parking lot, and unlike a public bus you don't have to wait for a long time.
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PanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 6510 posts, RR: 25 Reply 23, posted (3 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 549 times:
Trying to invent the wheel? Has been done already. What can be done is often enough hampered by stupid laws.
For instance shipping containers by "short sea" Very common practise in Europe, container vessels that not only carry boxes trans-shipped from overseas but also "local" from Southern Europe to the North Range ports, relieving roads and rails..
A company is starting that on the US East Coast, they claim that even though they have to use US build ships and hire US crews they can offer competetive box rates . Competetive over rail and road haulage on the I95 corridor.
And it is not really new, has been done in the first part of the last century. not with containers but with rail cars.
zkojq From New Zealand, joined Sep 2011, 261 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (3 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 541 times:
I think a future transportation mode may be ultra-long travelators/Moving walkways. Imagine if they were much faster (but not so much so that they are unsafe to board) and located underground, like subways. Each travelator would be several kilometers long and between them would be escalator stations that lead up to street level.
Quoting QFKangaroo747 (Reply 16): lthough it would open a whole new set of questions and dilemmas, it does seem that the logical conclusion when discussing teleportation as a future mode of transport is for the portals to be placed in the most convenient of locations, i.e. offices and other workplaces, and eventually in personal residences.
I don't like the idea of having portals inside people's homes or offices. What if they were to be hacked? Thieves could enter one's home and be gone very quickly, their whereabouts untraceable.
Airbus A340: 4 Engines 4 Long Haul...... (and they don't have 10 seats across in economy)
25 747400sp: In California, there are cargo ships that sails between Los Angeles an San Diego to relieve the truck traffic on the freeways in Southern California.
26 PanHAM: Interesting, do they just move boxes coming into LA/Long Beach from Asia or also local traffoic as well? IMHO the distanmce would be too short for lo
27 AviRaider: How do you transport conscientiousness and thoughts? The answer is you can't. All that transporting does is create a facsimile of your original self.
28 Dreadnought: That technology is amazing, but one of the comments on that page hit the nail right on the head: "this is going to turn us into those fat asses fr
29 Superfly: Alright guy, now I HAVE to post this video! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uOwVg2B79E
30 QFKangaroo747: It's true that your sea train concept probably wouldn't require a crew much bigger than a regular container ship. But this doesn't solve the problem
31 moose135: Where is my flying car? I was promised flying cars!
32 Superfly: Here ya go! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzv4q5EEy1k
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