DeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 2697 posts, RR: 25 Posted (3 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2098 times:
Interesting, apparently GA is holding a trial having to do with the President's birth certificate and whether he should be on the GA ballot. The President did not show up and is in danger of not being on GA's ballot in November (he probably won't win GA anyway but still, a low blow.) I thought we heard the last of the birthers...
tugger From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 3557 posts, RR: 4 Reply 1, posted (3 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2082 times:
Quoting DeltaMD90 (Thread starter): Interesting, apparently GA is holding a trial having to do with the President's birth certificate and whether he should be on the GA ballot. The President did not show up and is in danger of not being on GA's ballot in November (he probably won't win GA anyway but still, a low blow.) I thought we heard the last of the birthers...
As Ron White says: Can't fix stupid.
Tugg
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jetblueguy22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1518 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (3 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2067 times:
And yet again the republicans find people to shoot them in the foot. They gotta knock it off if they want a chance in November.
Blue
StarAC17 From Australia, joined Aug 2003, 2614 posts, RR: 4 Reply 3, posted (3 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2042 times:
Quoting DeltaMD90 (Thread starter): Interesting, apparently GA is holding a trial having to do with the President's birth certificate and whether he should be on the GA ballot. The President did not show up and is in danger of not being on GA's ballot in November (he probably won't win GA anyway but still, a low blow.) I thought we heard the last of the birthers...
Give it up birthers its getting old, and I'm betting the Supreme court will overrule anything that materializes from this. Federal law still trumps state law las I checked.
some quotes from the article.
Quote: One contended an 1875 Supreme Court opinion says only a “natural born citizen” -- someone born in the U.S. and whose parents were U.S. citizens -- can be president. (Obama’s father, who was from Kenya, was not a U.S. citizen.) The other alleged Obama’s birth, social security and passport records are forgeries.
First of all he was born in Hawaii period, how was a newspaper article showing his birth planted!! If you were born in the US in 1961 no matter the citizenship of your parents you are a natural born US citizen. Also his mother was a US citizen so no matter where he was born he would have been given US citizenship at birth as you only need one US parent. John McCain was not born in the US but there as been no issues on his attempts to run for president as his parents were US citizens.
Also where is the freaking proof that any of these documents are forged, with his passport particurlarily. Does he get a dimplomatic passport when he was in the senate like in other countries? (that document is 100% legit) Even if he had a regular US passport I'm sure a foreign country that Obama tried to enter at some point would have picked up on it and notified the US about it and denied him entry, unless of course every nation he visitied was in on the scam as well
Quote: The claims raised Thursday have been brought in courts across the country in dozens of cases, all of them dismissed.
I wonder why because it can't be proved because the documents are real I reckon. These lawyers really have no business practicing law IMO and are a discrace to the profession
rfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 4871 posts, RR: 21 Reply 4, posted (3 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2019 times:
So I guess Romney can't be on the Georgia ballot either.
Under that definition of Natural Born Citizen - Romney's father would be a Mexican citizen even though he served as Govenor of Michigan and ran for President. Since he was born in Mexico and never applied for citizenship, that wouldn't count. Right?
These folks are giving us red-neck southerners a bad name.
mham001 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2557 posts, RR: 3 Reply 5, posted (3 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1975 times:
Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 3): Also his mother was a US citizen so no matter where he was born he would have been given US citizenship at birth as you only need one US parent. John McCain was not born in the US but there as been no issues on his attempts to run for president as his parents were US citizens.
Actually, there were issues with him. Some contended he was born off base in Panama, but apparently in a US hospital.
This has come up a number of times over the history of the country, sometimes overlooked, never really answered.
Mir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 17876 posts, RR: 59 Reply 6, posted (3 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1960 times:
Thanks to the electoral college, this sort of crap doesn't matter. The GOP candidate was going to win the state anyway, any votes over the number required to get 50% are superfluous. And in this case, that number might be a couple thousand.
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Ken777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 6127 posts, RR: 4 Reply 7, posted (3 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1961 times:
Basically it appears that Georgia is seeming to argue that family trees don't fork in that state.
Maybe we should just let them go their won way, then refuse to acknowledge their Electoral College Delegates because the State violates Federal Laws.
Also, I've been contemplating the natural birth requirement. Does it really mean a vaginal birth, disqualifying c-section kids?
Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 3): First of all he was born in Hawaii period, how was a newspaper article showing his birth planted!!
I'm sure that there are a lot of people who believe all conspiracy theories who will believe that "un-named foreigners" plant fake birth announcements around the country every day (and related birth recordings) so they can take over the country some day.
Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 3): John McCain was not born in the US but there as been no issues on his attempts to run for president as his parents were US citizens.
Old John is white with a "normal American name" so he won't be challenged. Now Old John was running around on Wife #1, just like Mr. Piggy ran around on WIfe #1 and Wife #2, but the GOP (or TP) seems to admire that quality in their candidates. Might be why Willard is in danger.
DeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 2697 posts, RR: 25 Reply 8, posted (3 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1907 times:
I'm no birther but a humorous argument against the president was that Hawaii was taken illegally and shouldn't be a state/is not a real state, so him being born in Hawaii makes him not a US citizen. Stupid, but at the same time, it's kind of an interesting thought...
Hopefully birthers in other states don't do the same thing GA is doing...
DocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 14050 posts, RR: 55 Reply 10, posted (3 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1827 times:
Interesting, apparently GA is holding a trial having to do with the President's birth certificate and whether he should be on the GA ballot. The President did not show up and is in danger of not being on GA's ballot in November (he probably won't win GA anyway but still, a low blow.) I thought we heard the last of the birthers...
The "balance of the evidence" has to be in favor of the plantiff. The plaintiff has no evidence, so there is no reason for the defendant to show up.
D L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 10022 posts, RR: 54 Reply 11, posted (3 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1821 times:
Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 8): a humorous argument against the president was that Hawaii was taken illegally
Hah!
Hawaii was about the only state that WAS taken legally! It's King basically said "we want to be Americans," and America said "come join the party. Bring some mai tais."
Massachusetts - stolen. Virginia - stolen. North Carolina - stolen twice. Nobody asked the residents of 48 of the states that were already there if they wanted to be part of the US. No, it was like the Borg - you will be assimilated, resistance is futile.
BN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5007 posts, RR: 55 Reply 12, posted (3 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1813 times:
Well I hope the Birthers win in this state.. it would just add to their insanity.
..and then Obama, being the kind of guy he is, would go to the state anyway just to show he represents all the people.
Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 4): Under that definition of Natural Born Citizen - Romney's father would be a Mexican citizen even though he served as Govenor of Michigan and ran for President. Since he was born in Mexico and never applied for citizenship, that wouldn't count. Right?
These folks are giving us red-neck southerners a bad name.
That's line is funny as hell...
.. but thanks for the info on Willard, I never knew this. Better tell the Gingrich camp, they'll torpedo him with that one for once and for all.
DocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 14050 posts, RR: 55 Reply 13, posted (3 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1811 times:
.. but thanks for the info on Willard, I never knew this. Better tell the Gingrich camp, they'll torpedo him with that one for once and for all.
They already know; but it would be pretty self-destructive to use it against Romney, since Romney isn't that anti-immigrant, and nor is Gingrich. Gingrich has some almost reasonable views on immigration.
This article sums things up nicely. Gingrich actually wants amnesty for long-term illegals. Romney wants to alter policy to make life so miserable for illegals that they go home.
DeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 2697 posts, RR: 25 Reply 14, posted (3 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1802 times:
Quoting DocLightning (Reply 13): Romney wants to alter policy to make life so miserable for illegals that they go home.
Actually he recently said illegals would self-deport themselves!
Basically create conditions so they can't make a living here... for some reason I don't think that would happen...
Pyrex From Portugal, joined Aug 2005, 3212 posts, RR: 30 Reply 15, posted (3 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1785 times:
Quoting D L X (Reply 11): It's King basically said "we want to be Americans," and America said "come join the party. Bring some mai tais."
Oh, I am sorry, I missed the part of the constitution where it says an unelected monarch / other type of dictator can make binding decisions on behalf of subjects it rules by force.
Quoting D L X (Reply 11): Nobody asked the residents of 48 of the states that were already there if they wanted to be part of the US
Not only that but it is illegal to even think of seceding from the parasites in Washington DC. Kind of ironic considering the amount of countries the U.S. has bombed the crap out of to assert some minority's right to self-determination when it was politically convenient (e.g., Serbia / Kosovo).
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CASINTEREST From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2309 posts, RR: 1 Reply 16, posted (3 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1722 times:
Quoting Pyrex (Reply 15): Oh, I am sorry, I missed the part of the constitution where it says an unelected monarch / other type of dictator can make binding decisions on behalf of subjects it rules by force.
Umm....The King of Hawaii was not under the constitution prior to becoming a state, but don't let facts stand in your way.
Quoting Pyrex (Reply 15): Not only that but it is illegal to even think of seceding from the parasites in Washington DC
Another statement not bounded in fact.
Quoting DeltaMD90 (Thread starter): Interesting, apparently GA is holding a trial having to do with the President's birth certificate and whether he should be on the GA ballot. The President did not show up and is in danger of not being on GA's ballot in November (he probably won't win GA anyway but still, a low blow.) I thought we heard the last of the birthers...
The politcal backlash of such a move, even in Georigia is not one the GOP will entertain. There is going to be a seriers of retractions and dismissals handed down rather soon, I would imagine. That or a bunch of federal funding will be reappropriated to other states.
Pyrex From Portugal, joined Aug 2005, 3212 posts, RR: 30 Reply 17, posted (3 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1716 times:
Quoting CASINTEREST (Reply 16):
Umm....The King of Hawaii was not under the constitution prior to becoming a state, but don't let facts stand in your way.
Oh, so you are saying that if tomorrow the Sauds decided Saudi Arabia should become a state of the U.S., the fact that they have no democratic legitimacy whatsoever over the country would not play into the consideration of whether to accept them in the Union or not?
PHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 6974 posts, RR: 31 Reply 18, posted (3 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1716 times:
Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 8): Interesting, apparently GA is holding a trial having to do with the President's birth certificate and whether he should be on the GA ballot.
Was his (Obama's) name on the GA ballot in 2008? If this was really an issue; it should have brought up then.
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Pyrex From Portugal, joined Aug 2005, 3212 posts, RR: 30 Reply 19, posted (3 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 1690 times:
BTW - I know about what the constitution says and all, but this whole point about "natural born citizen" is just ridiculous. In my personal experience, most U.S. residents that were born overseas have a far greater respect and sense of appreciation for the U.S. than many "natural-born" U.S. citizens, as for one they still generally understand the concept of American Dream (they still see it as "having the right to fight and work for anything I want" and have not deturped it to mean "having a right to everything I want").
Obama hates the U.S. way too much to NOT having been born there.
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rfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 4871 posts, RR: 21 Reply 20, posted (3 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 1675 times:
Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 9): If he was born before it officially became a state there may be an argument
So that would have applied to Barry Goldwater, who was born in the Arizona Territory in 1909. The state of Arizona did not exist until Feb 1912 when it became the 48th state.
Quoting D L X (Reply 11): there if they wanted to be part of the US.
Texas asked to be able to join the United States.
Now why the union accepted them ?? Of course it was a different time and they could not imagine what the state would product.
mt99 From United States of America, joined exactly 13 years ago today! , 5640 posts, RR: 8 Reply 21, posted (3 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 1639 times:
Quoting D L X (Reply 11):
Hawaii was about the only state that WAS taken legally! It's King basically said "we want to be Americans," and America said "come join the party. Bring some mai tais."
King? Wasn't it a Queen Lili'uokalani?
This was an OK read r read. I read 2/3 of it for a book club then i gave up because iit rather opinionated and one-sided
"Starting with the toppling of the Hawaiian monarchy in 1893, the United States has not hesitated to overthrow governments that stood in the way of its political and economic goals. "
CASINTEREST From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2309 posts, RR: 1 Reply 22, posted (3 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 1626 times:
Quoting Pyrex (Reply 17): Oh, so you are saying that if tomorrow the Sauds decided Saudi Arabia should become a state of the U.S., the fact that they have no democratic legitimacy whatsoever over the country would not play into the consideration of whether to accept them in the Union or not?
ytou aren not consistant with your original argument or the sprit if the discussion surrounding Hawaii. But if Saudi Arabia decided they wanted to become a part of the US and adopt the US Constitution, and the US wanted Saudi Arabia , it could happen. Part of becoming part of the US is adopring the constitutiion.
Quoting Pyrex (Reply 17): Kohlhaas v. State of Alaska
Do you even read about these things? This was states issue , with absolutely ZERO implications on the Federal level which you are complaining about, but since you don't let facts stand in your way, keep going.
This was about the civil war and money and bonds written under a renegade governemnt that tried to escape the bounds of the constitution in what revisionsits call a states rights battle, and what everyone else recalls was an battle of slavery and the growing implications of aboliton.
Mir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 17876 posts, RR: 59 Reply 23, posted (3 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 1609 times:
Quoting Pyrex (Reply 17): Oh, so you are saying that if tomorrow the Sauds decided Saudi Arabia should become a state of the U.S., the fact that they have no democratic legitimacy whatsoever over the country would not play into the consideration of whether to accept them in the Union or not?
Since we recognize them as the legitimate government of the people, that is correct.
-Mir
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D L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 10022 posts, RR: 54 Reply 24, posted (3 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 1586 times:
Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 20): Quoting D L X (Reply 11):
there if they wanted to be part of the US.
Texas asked to be able to join the United States.
That's why I said 48.
Quoting mt99 (Reply 21): King? Wasn't it a Queen Lili'uokalani?
Same diff, for the purposes of this discussion.
Quoting Pyrex (Reply 15): Oh, I am sorry, I missed the part of the constitution where it says an unelected monarch / other type of dictator can make binding decisions on behalf of subjects it rules by force.
I'm sure you also missed the part of the constitution that said that it was okay to take land away from the Natives. But who's counting.
(In other words, that's the whole freaking point!)
25 CPH-R: It wasn't a trial, it was a hearing before an administrative law judge. The only thing Judge Malihi is able to do, is deliver a non-binding finding of
26 MD11Engineer: Em, Wouldn´t this be forging of documents and a felony in it´s own right? I know that here judges would seriously frown upon somebody using forms s
27 CPH-R: Apparently it's relatively kosher when it comes to cases within GA jurisdiction. IIRC Obama was considered properly served, since the subpoena was se
28 Mir: Does anyone else find it very disturbing that there are blank subpoena forms with a judge's signature attached to them? Those are basically blank che
30 Pyrex: Sucks to be them. Should have invented gunpowder first.
31 poLOT: Then it sucks for the Hawaiians/Saudi Arabians/Etc under the Kings/Queen rule. After all, why are they more important than the native Americans?
32 einsteinboricua: Even then, the argument is invalid since it was a US territory and subject to US law. Ergo, he would have been born a US citizen. Didn't Hawaii have
33 CPH-R: A user on another forum pointed something out, which I can only agree, namely that if the judges had to sign every single subpoena, they'd be flooded
34 Mir: Understandable, but I still don't like it. That would require the recipient to know the legal ins and outs of subpoenas - when they are binding and w
35 CPH-R: I entirely agree, and my impression of it that there was an unspoken agreement amongst the GA legal community to go easy on using them. But then Orly
36 bjorn14: Except McCain needed a Senate Resolution [has no legal force] to say he was qualified to run for the Presidency. Interestingly it was co-sponsored by
37 starbuk7: Here is some very interesting information that was presented at the hearing: http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/...t_challenge_obama_walks_on_by.html
38 mt99: So the amateurs forged the WRONG birth certificate?
39 Aesma: I'm sure Obama is wishing right now that this will go through, a good way to mobilize millions of people on him, for free.
40 CPH-R: HAHA! Wait, you were serious? No, none of the people providing 'testimony' as the trial should be referred to as 'document experts' in any way, shape
41 sprout5199: With all this going on, lets say GA takes him off the ballot, it goes all the way to the supreme court. guess what is going to happen since the Chief
43 bjorn14: Lolo Soetoro could not have adopted him unless Barry became an Indonesian. They do not allow dual citizenship. Why would the State of Hawaii change t
44 CPH-R: Which only reinforce the notion that Lolo Soetoro never adopted Obama. Could you point out the difference in the layout between the two images I've p
45 DeltaMD90: Doesn't anyone think that the US government, with their noses in everything, would over look the President and hire a Kenyan Muslim or whatever? I thi
46 starbuk7: The Certificate of Hawaiian Birth program was established in 1911, by the Hawaiian territorial Government, as to register a person born in Hawaii who
47 CPH-R: Certificate of Hawaiian Birth was part of a special program dealing with native Hawaiian heritage, so nothing to do with Barack Obama. http://hawaii.g
48 mt99: AHH but they DO allow it. . if the child is under 18... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indonesian_nationality_law ". The Indonesian nationality law doe
49 bjorn14: Sorry it should have been past tense under Suharto they did not allow it. Everyone had to have allegiance to Indonesia and vis a vis him.
51 bjorn14: Explain this.... Then committing fraud at an early age......
52 mt99: Right its all setup. This conspiracy started in over 50 years ago.. Aliens?
53 CPH-R: Law No. 62 of 1958, Law on the Citizenship of the Republic of Indonesia, Article 2 which states: Not the age requirements, Barack Obama was either 5
54 CPH-R: And surprise surprise, Barack Obama will be on the ballot (as he already is): http://www.ajc.com/news/georgia-poli...dge-obama-eligible-to-1330300.htm
55 DeltaMD90: nothing will stop these guys from huffing and puffing, even if they had a time machine and tracked the president every second of his life
56 CPH-R: I have to say, I nearly found myself rolling ont he floor laughing when I saw this sentence: Kudos to Orly Taitz & friends to snatching defeat fro
57 Maverick623: I would expect nothing less from a group of delusional psychopaths. All these "birthers" are motivated by two things: racism and megalomania, and I b
58 DocLightning: Couldn't this be considered some sort of insurrection or something?
59 Maverick623: No, because they are at least going through the court system. If you notice, I carefully and purposely put the words "continues to aggressively pursu
60 CPH-R: Some of them are pushing mightily close at stepping beyond that though. Once Judge Malihis ruling was announced, there was a barrage of threats on so
61 Pellegrine: I'm American but sometimes I'm very sick of Americans. That Obama is a non-white person has to do with this in its entirety. If Obama was not 'Obama'
62 DocLightning: I agree. People say it's about racism and they're wrong. Nobody ever brought up a Birther complaint against Herman Cain. This is about prejudice and
63 srbmod: At this point, the discussion has veered off of the initial topic, and since a judge has ruled that President Obama is eligible to be on the ballot, t
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