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WaPo Class Warfare Via Ron Paul's FF Miles  
User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10899 posts, RR: 37
Posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1527 times:

They are upset that Dr. Ron Paul gets upgraded to first class because of his frequent flyer miles and the Washington Post spreads b.s. that these are 'hidden' benefits because he does not actually pay for them nor do the taxpayers.

WASHINGTON — Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul has been spending large amounts on airfare as a congressman, flying first class on dozens of taxpayer-funded flights to his home state. The practice conflicts with the image that Paul portrays as the only presidential candidate serious about cutting federal spending.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politi...s/2012/01/16/gIQA1cxY2P_story.html

Upgrades to first-class with cheaper fares are possible, at times limited to available seats days before the flight. But those upgrades are not guaranteed and some require ticket changes at the airport, according to the airline’s frequent flyer rules.

Don't the media know that after reaching the proper frequent flyer status by flying a certain number of miles/yearly the status holder gets entitled to UDU (unlimited domestic upgrades) as well as complimentary regional and system wide upgrades?

 Wow!

They will never miss a chance of slandering Dr Ron Paul.


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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19738 posts, RR: 59
Reply 1, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1526 times:

And not only that, but if he is flying between DC and his home state on business, which he would essentially always be doing, then it is absolutely appropriate for his employer to pick up the tab. Do they think he should pay out of his own pocket?

User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10899 posts, RR: 37
Reply 2, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1518 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 1):
if he is flying between DC and his home state on business, which he would essentially always be doing, then it is absolutely appropriate for his employer to pick up the tab

I guess the same is done for all members of the House and Senate.



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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21643 posts, RR: 55
Reply 3, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1492 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 1):
And not only that, but if he is flying between DC and his home state on business, which he would essentially always be doing, then it is absolutely appropriate for his employer to pick up the tab. Do they think he should pay out of his own pocket?

Is it the purchasing of tickets using taxpayer funds that they have a problem with, or the purchasing of first-class tickets using taxpayers funds? They're not the same - I've got no problem with a congressman using taxpayer funds for business trips, but if he's one of those minimal-spending types, it does raise an eyebrow when he's purchasing first class seats. Upgrades are something else entirely - if he's spending the miles that he's accrued on upgrades, I've got no problem with that, since the taxpayers aren't paying any more for the ticket.

-Mir



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19738 posts, RR: 59
Reply 4, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1487 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 2):

I guess the same is done for all members of the House and Senate.

Yes. In fact, they are all given a certain number of round-trips, IIRC. A representative or senator has an office in D.C. and an office at home. They usually have to maintain two residences, too.

I get really annoyed when people start ragging on elected officials for billing perfectly reasonable business-related expenses to the taxpayers, or for being compensated for their jobs. That's why we pay taxes. And frankly, I don't think it's unreasonable that someone who has to fly long distances often for work should have their work cover F seats. Flying Y from time to time is unpleasant, but reasonable. Flying Y for a long distance on a regular basis is just brutal. You can't even open a laptop in most Y cabins these days, which is a big issue when you are as busy as a representative or senator can be.


User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7915 posts, RR: 52
Reply 5, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1393 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 3):
Is it the purchasing of tickets using taxpayer funds that they have a problem with, or the purchasing of first-class tickets using taxpayers funds?

They put out a very misleading article saying he purchased first class tickets on the tax payers money. Of course it was fully exposed as misleading and the media did nothing to report on that. He uses his CO FF miles to upgrade IIRC

just watch this http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=7oSRPQ2Dtm4

also, love the piece FOX put out about veterans supporting GOP candidates and had one for Newt, Mitt, and Santorum, but not Paul, the guy that got more money from the military than all the GOP candidates combined and more than President Obama has received from the military. Paul's top 3 contributors are citizens from the Navy, Army, and Air Force (maybe not in that order but they are the top 3.) But no, MSM wants us to think Paul is anti-military because he doesn't buy into the destructive militarization our country is obsessed with. /rant

Edit: PS, even if Paul did buy first class tickets on the taxpayers dime, he is one of five or so Congressmen that puts money back into the US treasury every year. You may not agree with what he says, but it's hard to argue that this guy isn't 99.9% consistent at least

Can provide sources for anything I said if anyone wants btw

[Edited 2012-01-28 18:10:02]

[Edited 2012-01-28 18:10:37]


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User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8902 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1381 times:

Let's not distort some facts here.

Dr. Paul buys the YCA fares - they are treated as full Y fares, but are discounted significantly off the rack price. These are government negotiated fares done annually by the GAO.

Because Dr. Paul flies more than 25,000 miles a year (since this is a benefit even Silvers have to my knowledge), an elite on a full Y fare (as a YCA constitutes) are eligible for immediate upgrade to the First Class cabin should upgrade inventory be available.

Had Dr. Paul not been elite, he would not have gotten the First Class seat.

As for using the YCA fare, it does offer the flexibility to change and no AP requirements. Yes, they are more than deep-discounted fares, but these might not be out there for the flight times he needs, and as a Congressman there is that need for flexibility (yes I know the article says he didn't change them much, but there is still that potential).


User currently offlineseb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11660 posts, RR: 15
Reply 7, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1381 times:

So, he wants government out of private business, but he is willing to be reimbursed by government for his travel? Something does not make sense. He wants government small, so why does CO stop offering government fares? Why does he get frequent flyer miles to use any way he chooses when we are the ones helping to pay for his seat on those flights?


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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7915 posts, RR: 52
Reply 8, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1378 times:

Quoting seb146 (Reply 7):

I think you're barking up the wrong tree. I have a strong RP bias but I really try and stay objective. Even he believes government has SOME role and has to pay for some things. He lives in TX as a Congressman, and it is his JOB to go to DC. The employer (the government) pays for travel of its colleges (congressmen and women.) As for why he gets FF miles for these flights, I don't know, ask CO why they give FF miles to government employees

Edit: here is the article I was talking about it my last post: http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/...-r-tex-gives-100000-back-taxpayers

He gives back unused money to the US treasury!

[Edited 2012-01-28 18:27:13]


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User currently offlineseb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11660 posts, RR: 15
Reply 9, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1345 times:

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 8):
The employer (the government) pays for travel of its colleges (congressmen and women.)

And, as a tax payer, I am paying for not only my two senators and one congresswoman, but also the other 532 members of Congress. Why? How is that fair?

I also think it is interesting how, when a right-winger is questioned on his expenses, it is class warfare, but when anyone else is questioned, they are lazy and not motivated enough to be rich.



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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7915 posts, RR: 52
Reply 10, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1340 times:

Quoting seb146 (Reply 9):
And, as a tax payer, I am paying for not only my two senators and one congresswoman

Well, how else are Congressmen and women supposed to get paid? Do you think President Obama should pay out of pocket for his trips to China? I really don't get what your argument...

Quoting seb146 (Reply 9):
I also think it is interesting how, when a right-winger is questioned on his expenses, it is class warfare, but when anyone else is questioned, they are lazy and not motivated enough to be rich.

WTF are you talking about, I didn't say anything about that!!!!  Wow!

Nor do I believe any of that. What are you getting at Seb?



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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7915 posts, RR: 52
Reply 11, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 1331 times:

I'll try and take it point by point because I'm not sure I'm getting your argument.

Quoting seb146 (Reply 7):
So, he wants government out of private business,

Yes

Quoting seb146 (Reply 7):
but he is willing to be reimbursed by government for his travel?

It is his job, pretty much all employees for any company get their travel paid for. His house to DC is his "company travel" in a sense, since he lives in TX as a Congressman and DC is where Congress is at

Quoting seb146 (Reply 7):
Something does not make sense.

?????

Quoting seb146 (Reply 7):
He wants government small, so why does CO stop offering government fares?

The government doesn't mandate what CO does. CO could charge a million dollars to government travel. But most airlines have deals with government and businesses due to the differences in that kind of travel. But that is the AIRLINE's choice, the government isn't dictating anything

Quoting seb146 (Reply 7):
Why does he get frequent flyer miles to use any way he chooses when we are the ones helping to pay for his seat on those flights?

Ask CO that. He has them, what is he supposed to do, donate his miles to the taxpayers??

Even Ron Paul believes the government has SOME role, including flying its congressmembers in...



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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15747 posts, RR: 27
Reply 12, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 1322 times:

Quoting seb146 (Reply 7):
So, he wants government out of private business, but he is willing to be reimbursed by government for his travel?

Why would anyone not expect their employer to reimburse them? And when he says he wants the government out of private businesses, I think that contracting is not what he thinks is bad. Would it be better if he took a USAF plane everywhere?

Quoting seb146 (Reply 7):
Why does he get frequent flyer miles to use any way he chooses when we are the ones helping to pay for his seat on those flights?

Most companies allow their employees to keep frequent flier miles. Sometimes companies with travel agreements are given a certain number of elite memberships to give out to their employees. Since the government would have paid the same price for the travel whether miles are given or not, it doesn't really pose a problem for me.

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 8):
I don't know, ask CO why they give FF miles to government employees

Guess where they go to book vacations?



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User currently offlineseb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11660 posts, RR: 15
Reply 13, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 1322 times:

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 10):
WTF are you talking about, I didn't say anything about that!

You don't, which I respect. Other right-wing supporters do.

I guess the thing I don't understand about libretarianism (poor spelling) is: where do we draw the line? Government needs to get out of personal lives, is my understanding of libretarians. Why do people from California need to pay for legislators from Florida or (in this case) Texas? Some ideals of Ron Paul I support like we need to stop being policemen to the world. Others, I just don't get; like: where do we draw the line at "separtation of government and person."

And, no, I don't think Congress people, ANY Congress people, should be able to rack up personal frequent flier miles when families are going hungry. For example (I have no evidence this happened, just an example): Ron Paul uses frequent flier miles he gained on flights from DC to his home to take his family on a free trip to Australia. That is like $3000 that could be used to feed a family. All on the tax payers dime.



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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15747 posts, RR: 27
Reply 14, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 1313 times:

Quoting seb146 (Reply 13):
For example (I have no evidence this happened, just an example): Ron Paul uses frequent flier miles he gained on flights from DC to his home to take his family on a free trip to Australia.

Except I don't think you can count FF miles as having any cash value. Otherwise they may have to be declared as income for taxes or assets in bankruptcy for instance. I'm not aware of any precedent to the contrary.

I know the government once toyed with taxing non-rev travel benefits but determined they have no value.

Quoting seb146 (Reply 13):
Why do people from California need to pay for legislators from Florida or (in this case) Texas?

The idea behind that is that while they represent the people who elected them, they are also charged with determining what is best for the nation overall and setting federal policy.



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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7915 posts, RR: 52
Reply 15, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 1313 times:

Quoting seb146 (Reply 13):
I guess the thing I don't understand about libretarianism (poor spelling) is: where do we draw the line?

Well, his line is actually pretty well defined. I cannot name them all, but he thinks the federal government should be involved in things directly outlined in the Constitution. Everything else should be up to the states or individuals. Now many disagree with his ideology, and I do not agree with 100% of what he says, but it's hard to argue that he is very consistent in his ideology. I mean the man gives back money, he always has an answer to questions that fit his ideology (and you can even search back 20 years--he says the same things.) Really, I don't mind if you or anyone disagree with Paul. I just try and show people facts. If you think his small government is unrealistic and does not take care of the poor and that government *should* have a larger role, that is your right and I applaud your decision. But if you dislike him because you read the inaccurate AP article, that isn't fair to him. Anyway, back on topic...

Quoting seb146 (Reply 13):
And, no, I don't think Congress people, ANY Congress people, should be able to rack up personal frequent flier miles when families are going hungry.

Well I agree actually, but that is up to the airlines. The government does not mandate to the airlines that they need to give Congressmembers FF miles, the airlines themselves do.

Quoting seb146 (Reply 13):
Ron Paul uses frequent flier miles he gained on flights from DC to his home to take his family on a free trip to Australia. That is like $3000 that could be used to feed a family. All on the tax payers dime.

Well... I don't know about that, because he would have flown the official business flights no matter what, and the tax payers still pay for that travel. Him taking a hypothetical flight really wouldn't cost the taxpayers anything. I don't think Paul would do that honestly.

I think you should really read up on Paul a bit. Even if you disagree with him, he is a very interesting guy, and looking at all the facts I think you'd agree he has a very consistent ideology (many left-leaning people and people that disagree with Paul agree.) For example, he is anti-abortion, BUT, unlike other GOP candidates, he believes it is up to the states to pass laws against it and wouldn't support a federal law against it. He argues violent crimes like murder are set by the states, and it is up to the states to pass these laws. You may disagree that abortion is a violent crime and that states should ban it, but it really does prove his ideology is sound--instead of just passing an executive order or support a federal law, he wants the bills to go through the states, just like he thinks every other bill should go through.

tl;dr It is your American right to disagree with Ron Paul! I only ask that you disagree with him after knowing the truth on him!  



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User currently offlineflymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7177 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1303 times:

Quoting seb146 (Reply 13):

What are you talking about? How is getting frequent flier miles on flights used for business a waste of $3,000 of tax payer money? That makes absolutely no sense at all. Just as ANY jon should pay for travel to and from work if required the U.S. gov does. Members of Congreve need to fly between their home state offices and D.C. frequently to even have a chance at doing their job correctly. Members of congress make a good salary but with the expense of paying for their own second residence in D.C. paying for very frequent and sometimes last minute travel would be too much even for someone making 175k a year.



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User currently offlineltbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13116 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 1275 times:

There are 2 areas of issues as to Rep. Ron Paul or any government employee getting an upgrade to Business or First Class using there own FF accounts. Basically they are the ethical/improper influence and public perception.

The ethical/improper influence is perhaps the most important. Rep. Paul or any other Congressmember or Senator, former ones, candidates, certain appointed or formally appointed officials or employees are or may be involved with laws and regulations of the airline industry. Although there could be special rules for regular government employees or especially FAA or NTSB employees as to using their personal FF accounts for government or even personal use, you don't want the highly regulated airlines buying influence. While using the FF programs, one has to wonder if they are 'tweaked' for certain persons vs. non-government employees. If there are 3 First seats available but 6 qualified for them, would someone like Rep. Paul, even if of a lower FF tier or mileage within a tier, given an advantage over the others. Even if stuck in coach, could they be given a higher value seat (aisle, bulkhead, exit row, close to exit/entrance doors) over others who paid a higher fare or bump around such pax. Are numerous fees, like bag fees, not charged? If any of these situations occur, than you have a real ethical problem and should not occur.

Then there is the perception of a representative getting 'elite' treatment, that they can't sit with the 'little people' and are instead with the 1%'ers in First and their more likely conservative, pro business political biases.

I would be instructive as to if any other countries have rules against any or certain government employees being banned from using personal FF account benefits for upgrades or other benefits in their personal or government travel.


User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7915 posts, RR: 52
Reply 18, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 1235 times:

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 17):

What you raise is more of a perception issue that anything. Again, I really doubt Paul is trying to do anything elitist. This is the same guy who if elected would "reduce his own presidential salary from $400,000 to $39,336 – the median salary of an American worker," *1 "refuses to participate in 'immoral' [Congressional] pension system [and] Says fewer perks for congress will limit terms of politicians, save taxpayers money," *2 and before even becoming a politician, as a doctor he "refused to accept Medicare or Medicaid payments and would not let his children accept federal student loans." *3 (By refusing these payments he didn't turn patients away like some rumors on the internet go. There is a famous ad about him delivering a interracial couple's baby that no one else would deliver... for FREE. Which is why I figured him writing racist news letters was completely out of character and not him.) And all this is on top of returning unused funds back to the US treasury I mentioned in my last posts. The guy is so consistent it's almost a little weird honestly, so if this 1st class flying this is inconsistent on his part, it is probably the only inconsistent thing I can find on the guy lol

Sources to prove I'm not making stuff up:
1: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/1...ul-proposes-interes_n_1140723.html
2: http://paul.house.gov/index.php?opti...content&task=view&id=999&Itemid=28
3: http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...ampaign-paul-idUSTRE8020L920120103

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 17):
I would be instructive as to if any other countries have rules against any or certain government employees being banned from using personal FF account benefits for upgrades or other benefits in their personal or government travel.

Well this is both the airline's fault and the government's fault. The people making these laws are the same ones enjoying the benefits so I doubt it will change from that end. And if the airlines changed the policy, I could actually see some legitimate discrimination issues. They'd probably have to change the rules for business travelers which would lose a lot of businesses, so they wouldn't want to do that. It would have to be up to Congress to opt out and again, good luck having that passed



Ironically I have never flown a Delta MD-90 :)
User currently offlineLMP737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 1222 times:

Ron Paul is not getting the nomination so why even bother?

User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7915 posts, RR: 52
Reply 20, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 1213 times:

Quoting LMP737 (Reply 19):
Ron Paul is not getting the nomination so why even bother?

He is trying to promote many of his ideas. I won't list them all out because most people know what they all are. Paul has a loyal 10-15% (in some places almost 25%) and many of them won't vote for any other GOP candidate. The eventual GOP nominee would be very stupid to not take at least some of his ideas seriously and even incorporate a few of them into their platform. Things like balanced budgets are no-brainers, yet Paul seems to be the only one willing to fix it without expanding the government even more.

If the eventual GOP candidate incorporates enough of Paul's ideas, I might vote for that candidate. Otherwise it's third party or write-in all the way for this guy



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User currently offlineLMP737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 1209 times:

The whole frequent flier think is realtively minor. There are other things they can mention about Ron Paul that would be of bigger concern to people.

User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7915 posts, RR: 52
Reply 22, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 1204 times:

Quoting LMP737 (Reply 21):
The whole frequent flier think is realtively minor. There are other things they can mention about Ron Paul that would be of bigger concern to people.

Exactly. Just like many attacks on candidates. I don't care if everyone in the world hated Ron Paul and disagreed with his policies as long as they knew the truth and what they were disagreeing with. Him wanting too small of a government is a legitimate agreement, saying he's a hypocrite because he flies first class on the taxpayer's dime is inaccurate, and claims that he is anti-military are misleading for example



Ironically I have never flown a Delta MD-90 :)
User currently offlineLMP737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 1186 times:

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 22):
saying he's a hypocrite


Here's something he's a hypocrite on, hurricane relief. Ron Paul voted against Katrina relief saying "Is bailing out people that chose to live on the coastline a proper function of the federal government?" Why do people in Arizona have to be robbed in order to support the people on the coast?" He then voted against Hurricane Ike relief which affected his home district. Now here's where it gets interesting. While voted against that spending bill he first made sure there was $96 million for his district in another bill. Guess he wanted the best of both worlds.

Either way it comes off a bit unseemly to vote against Katrina relief and then make sure your own home district gets money for essentially the same thing.

http://www.chron.com/news/houston-te...er-aid-for-Ike-victims-1533178.php

http://www.chron.com/news/houston-te...bers-want-millions-for-1734261.php


User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7915 posts, RR: 52
Reply 24, posted (2 years 7 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 1167 times:

Quoting LMP737 (Reply 23):

you'll have to explain it a bit more. I'm not saying Paul is right here, I'm just skeptical of everything the media says. He votes against federal aid for disaster areas, consistent with his beliefs (and this is actually an area where I disagree with him.) But if I read correctly, he was against the bill but if it indeed passed, he wanted some of that money to go to his district. Am I right on that? Doesn't seem bad to me. He is against it but isn't just gonna ignore projects in his district in the event that it does pass.

Or did I read incorrectly?



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25 PPVRA : His position is the following: he is against that kind of spending, completely. But the people in his district are taxed just like everyone one else,
26 Post contains images DeltaMD90 : Ok that's what I thought, I'm wondering why he believes what he does unless he takes the media at face value. Basically, he is against X (spending) b
27 DocLightning : The government (paid for by the people who elected him) is his employer. It is perfectly reasonable that he not be expected to front business expense
28 Revelation : My reading of the article (which was written by Associated Press and carried in dozens of media outlets other than WP) says they are upset that he is
29 LMP737 : When have I made false arguments about him? Can you show me an example? When I discused Ron Paul with you it was regarding currency compettion. Did I
30 LMP737 : Here are the facts. 1)Ron Paul voted against Hurricane Katrina releif. 2)Ron Paul voted agaisnt Hurrican Ike releif. 3)Ron Paul said regarding Katrin
31 PPVRA : Pretty sure we've discussed this very topic before, not just currency competition. Yeah no, don't try to play victim here. Most Paul supporters can n
32 DeltaMD90 : Nah, he was against the spending before the earmark, during the earmark, and after the earmark. He was against it the whole time. But if his district
33 Ken777 : And for other top tier FF millionaires. When I was top tier with AA (from 100+ K miles actually flown) my cheapest coach ticket would normally see me
34 PPVRA : And you still CONTINUE to put forward the same false arguments. Unbelievable.
35 LMP737 : And you CONTINUE not to show me where I have done so. And by voting against Hurricane Katrina relief what was he doing? He was telling another congre
36 PPVRA : How about the very post I quoted, reply#30?
37 LMP737 : If you are going to call me a liar then I suggest you come up with something to support it. P.S. Thank you for proving my previous point.
38 DocLightning : I agree. I absolutely think that it is a government's job to provide disaster relief. In large-scale disasters, even those with private insurance are
39 Post contains images DeltaMD90 : Yes, but he voted against both bills from what I read. As in he voted against the bill that paid his district, but made sure if it did pass, at least
40 PPVRA : He would get rid of FEMA, but keep the SAR assets. A lot of what FEMA does has little to do with SAR (e.g. flood insurance program). Probably consoli
41 DocLightning : I have to agree. There are a LOT of problems with Paul's ideology. But hypocrisy and inconsistency are not part of those problems. Nor is racism. Opp
42 DeltaMD90 : Honestly I'd like him to get elected and "clean house" a bit. Everyone says he doesn't have the power to do anything yada ya, but really no president
43 Post contains images DocLightning : He could issue marijuana tax stamps, I think, by executive order. That would effectively legalize MJ. And it would gain him the votes of hippies and
44 jetblueguy22 : I don't see the problem. He gets upgraded with miles he has earned through his job, people I work with do it all the time. People need to stop this cl
45 DeltaMD90 : He is very against executive orders. He's criticized the recent use (by the current president and by GWB) of executive orders and also criticized the
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