stasisLAX From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3061 posts, RR: 1 Posted (3 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1383 times:
According to NBC News, Romney has won the Florida Republican Primary by a huge margin. Seems like Newt and Rick have been steam-rolled over by Romney's well-funded SuperPac and its expensive saturation television ad campaign in 10 major television markets. It seems to me that Mitt has now decided to pivot to attacking President Obama's record and will let Gingrich and Santorum and Paul fight over the scraps. I think the Republican primary race is now over.
einsteinboricua From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2010, 1639 posts, RR: 1 Reply 2, posted (3 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1307 times:
Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter): Romney has won the Florida Republican Primary by a huge margin.
I was not expecting that. I mean, polls never showed overwhelming support for Romney. Who is Romney anyway? Is he a rookie that came from out of the blue? Do we have to check his citizenship papers?
"You haven't seen a tree until you've seen its shadow from the sky."
DeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 2697 posts, RR: 25 Reply 3, posted (3 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 1294 times:
Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 2): I was not expecting that. I mean, polls never showed overwhelming support for Romney.
They have been showing large margins for him in the last few days.
Actually I think each candidate has released/is planning to release their birth certificates. Good thing they are, the secret service or whoever never looks into the candidates to make sure they're US born
If anything, this state confirms we can't really predict anything. Before Iowa, everyone said Romney is gonna win 100%. After Iowa, it was Santorum or Romney!!! Then after NH it was Romney for sure. Oh uh, SC... Newt's got this! He is leading throughout the nation, and is poised to win FL! Few days later Romney comes back, then wins FL. Now I'm hearing the "Romney is GOING to win, no doubt about it."
We shall see. I think he'll win, but one never knows...
redflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4078 posts, RR: 32 Reply 6, posted (3 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 1272 times:
Quoting Klaus (Reply 1): Not being completely crazy, not being utterly stupid and not being a total scumbag may have helped a little bit
Two out of three ain't bad. Given that he changes his political stripes with the direction of political winds, I would in fact say he is a scumbag. But then I think that way about politicians in general.
Quoting flymia (Reply 5): Anyway glad Mitt won, he is our only shot of getting Obama out of office.
I feel a bowel movement coming on when I think that our choice in the next election will be between Mr. Obama and Mr. Romney. How I do fear for the future of our nation.
Superfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 36437 posts, RR: 86 Reply 7, posted (3 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 1263 times:
Quoting redflyer (Reply 6): I feel a bowel movement coming on when I think that our choice in the next election will be between Mr. Obama and Mr. Romney. How I do fear for the future of our nation.
DeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 2697 posts, RR: 25 Reply 8, posted (3 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 1261 times:
Geez, reading it again I don't know how I DIDN'T see sarcasm lol.
I'll note that Paul (and I think Santorum) didn't even campaign in FL since it was winner take all. Paul is focusing on caucuses, probably won't win, but it'll give him a bigger voice at the convention hopefully...
If anything, this state confirms we can't really predict anything. Before Iowa, everyone said Romney is gonna win 100%. After Iowa, it was Santorum or Romney!!! Then after NH it was Romney for sure. Oh uh, SC... Newt's got this! He is leading throughout the nation, and is poised to win FL! Few days later Romney comes back, then wins FL. Now I'm hearing the "Romney is GOING to win, no doubt about it."
We shall see. I think he'll win, but one never knows...
If nothing else this race has made most of the pundits, including many of the ones I find informative or entertaining, look pretty silly. Being a Dem I don't have a dog in this hunt though and can't draw too many conclusions about it that don't suffer from my personal bias. I can only be glad I don't own a television in Florida because the ad buys sound like they were gigantic.
BN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5007 posts, RR: 55 Reply 10, posted (3 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 1211 times:
Awwww man...I wanted see Gingrich 'rip Obama to shreds' in the Presidential Debates (yeah, like that was gonna ever happen), now it looks like it'll be Willard - who is gonna be OWS's new poster boy as the weather starts to turn towards favorable demonstration season.
apodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 3386 posts, RR: 7 Reply 11, posted (3 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1203 times:
I am against Obama, and I am hoping that the republican primary process goes all the way to the convention. I feel that every voter in every state deserves a voice, and that a split of delegates strengthens the party in the long run because it forces the party to listen to all ideas, not just the establishment.
DeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 2697 posts, RR: 25 Reply 12, posted (3 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1202 times:
Quoting apodino (Reply 11): I feel that every voter in every state deserves a voice,
That is why I hope Americans Elect (or a program like it) gains traction. They have some good ideas, and I started a thread on it (shameless link to my own thread coming up): Have You Heard Of Americans Elect? (by DeltaMD90 Jan 31 2012 in Non Aviation)
Klaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 20144 posts, RR: 57 Reply 13, posted (3 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1142 times:
Quoting redflyer (Reply 6): Two out of three ain't bad. Given that he changes his political stripes with the direction of political winds, I would in fact say he is a scumbag. But then I think that way about politicians in general.
No: Three out of three. Iwas deliberately qualifying mystatement above: "…not a total scumbag…"
That he's a scumbag is agreed, just in this case not the scum of the scum.
I think it's pretty clear where the "total scumbag" award would go among that field…
Charles79 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1236 posts, RR: 5 Reply 14, posted (3 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1113 times:
I was just browsing the CNN graph on the results by different categories such as age, college education, income level, etc, and Mr. Romney captured the majority of the voters in nearly every category. Interestingly, though, the one group that Mr. Gingrich did capture was the voters who "Strongly Support" the TEA Party Movement with 45% vs. a 33% for Romney….
Looking ahead I can't help but wonder how much longer until Mr. Santorum calls it quits. Assuming that the Santorum supporters would rather support Mr. Gingrich, if we add the Santorum votes to Gingrich then it becomes a far tighter race at the front with Rep. Paul a distant third. Such a scenario would probably result in a more focused race between the moderate side of the GOP and the more extreme/conservative side…making the race that much more interesting for those of us looking from the outside.
Revelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 8076 posts, RR: 13 Reply 15, posted (3 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1111 times:
Exit polls showed Willard scored very high on the electability issue.
FL GOP voters are not voting for a candidate they are enthusiastic about - turnout was down from the last primary.
FL GOP voters are voting for whom they perceive to be the least worst choice.
Willard's rating among independent voters was dragged down by his negative TV ads, but only GOPers vote in the FL primary.
I guess we'll find out how electable a 1%er is in this economic climate.
I too think Willard's money and campaign organization will see him through to a victory.
The real issue is how much damage Gingrich does to him in the primaries.
Another issue if things continue to go Willard's way is his choice of VP candidates.
Wil he do something to get the red-meat Republicans on board, or will he pick another milk toast candidate like himself?
Dreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 6457 posts, RR: 36 Reply 16, posted (3 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1093 times:
Quoting Charles79 (Reply 14): I was just browsing the CNN graph on the results by different categories such as age, college education, income level, etc, and Mr. Romney captured the majority of the voters in nearly every category. Interestingly, though, the one group that Mr. Gingrich did capture was the voters who "Strongly Support" the TEA Party Movement with 45% vs. a 33% for Romney…
Hardly a surprise. Gingrich is more fiscally conservative than Romney, and that's where the Tea Party will go.
Quoting BN747 (Reply 10): Awwww man...I wanted see Gingrich 'rip Obama to shreds' in the Presidential Debates (yeah, like that was gonna ever happen)
I heard a report the other day about how Romney (and most candidates, including Obama) will spend days in mock debates, practicing against debate coaches who throw every imaginable question at them. They memorize stock responses to known questions. On the other hand Gingrich never does this - his idea of debate preparation is getting up, coffee, toast, and go to the debate. He answers off the top of his head. That requires intelligence. If he did not have a tendency to voice crazy shit every once and a while that should be reflected on first, he would be a shoe-in. His Moon colony thing was a perfect case in point - sure it's a good idea to get NASA back on mission to push the technological limits and get us moving forward again (after 40 years stuck in low earth orbit), bit we don't need a trillion dollar program at this time.
You are probably right about "like that was gonna ever happen". There is no requirement for the President to accept debates. If he were running against Gingrich, Obama's campaign would make sure that there is only one debate, maybe none at all if they think they can get away with it. Gingrich's IQ is probably 50 points higher than Obama's. Romney and Obama would be a bit more even, but I have never seen any evidence that Obama's as smart as his supporters like to say. Sure, he has a nice speaking style, much is made of the president's rhetorical gifts. This is the sort of thing that can be credited only by people who think that a command of English syntax is a mark of great intellectual distinction. It isn't.
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dl021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11372 posts, RR: 88 Reply 17, posted (3 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1089 times:
I'd say that the available campaign cash for the other candidates will be drying up rapidly outside of Ron Paul, or anyone else who wants to make a statement to draw the eventual campaign platform to their desired direction....Ron Paul will carry on with his campaign, although I'd like to see him at the convention this time....I'd say that plenty of people saw what happens when you split the base of the party and make enough people not want to go to the polls....Democrats and Republicans should have both learned this lesson over the last few elections. I am certain that the Republicans all agree that four more years of President Obama is not something any of them want. I can argue with certainty that a Romney administration will take a pro-business stance on most issues, and be more concerned with individual liberty than with promising "fairness" and entitlements with other peoples money.
Romney seems to be the very definition of a scumbag (insert proper emoticon to reduce confusion here)...married to the same woman for all this time with nary a whiff of scandal/infidelity, run successful businesses (I know...how dare he?), rescued the Salt Lake Olympics, been a Republican governor in a state where it's difficult for Republicans to get elected, donated 16% of his annual income last year to charities (oh, but wait...a lot of them were religious...that doesn't count, does it?).....yeah...he's a real scumbag.
The biggest real complaint the Republicans have with this guy is that he may not be conservative enough for the base to get really excited, and he appeals to a broader range of people in the middle.........
Quoting BN747 (Reply 10): OWS's new poster boy as the weather starts to turn towards favorable demonstration season.
Fair weather fans....typical kid stuff....they'll be their own persons as long as someone is paying their bills, and the weathers nice....if they really meant what they say they'd be toughing it out in the winter and really causing havoc....
Quoting Revelation (Reply 15): I guess we'll find out how electable a 1%er is in this economic climate.
Yeah...the whole class warfare thing is going to really be brought to a head in this election...
Newark727 From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 576 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (3 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1082 times:
Quoting dl021 (Reply 17): Romney seems to be the very definition of a scumbag (insert proper emoticon to reduce confusion here)...married to the same woman for all this time with nary a whiff of scandal/infidelity, run successful businesses (I know...how dare he?), rescued the Salt Lake Olympics, been a Republican governor in a state where it's difficult for Republicans to get elected, donated 16% of his annual income last year to charities (oh, but wait...a lot of them were religious...that doesn't count, does it?).....yeah...he's a real scumbag.
I don't have an issue with Romney's business acumen/personal wealth myself. I just don't personally feel that his typical model of restructuring companies is well suited to the job of president. But like I said before, it's not really my choice, what with my being a Democrat.
mt99 From United States of America, joined exactly 13 years ago today! , 5640 posts, RR: 8 Reply 19, posted (3 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1079 times:
Quoting dl021 (Reply 17): Republican governor in a state where it's difficult for Republicans to get elected,
In which state he instituted mandatory health care..
Quoting dl021 (Reply 17):
Yeah...the whole class warfare thing is going to really be brought to a head in this election.
Yes,. it was brought up FIRST by the GOP.
"Jan. 30 (Bloomberg) -- Newt Gingrich, accusing Republican presidential primary opponent Mitt Romney of being a “fundamentally dishonest†tool of Wall Street, pledged to stop big banking firms such as Goldman Sachs Group Inc. from “rigging the game"
Dreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 6457 posts, RR: 36 Reply 20, posted (3 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1069 times:
Quoting Newark727 (Reply 18):
I don't have an issue with Romney's business acumen/personal wealth myself. I just don't personally feel that his typical model of restructuring companies is well suited to the job of president. But like I said before, it's not really my choice, what with my being a Democrat.
Actually it's quite fitting. We have a government that is like GM 4 years ago - Too much costs, not enough revenue. Too many employees who are overpaid (especially benefits). huge bureacracy with up to 100 duplicate commissions, departments etc who might have jurisdiction on one issue (school lunches for example).
I think we need someone who can recognize the problem and start slashing and burning. In his SOTU speech, Obama is going the other way - he proposed new programs, new bureaucracies. It's as if GM announced 4 years ago that that in response to depressed sales and mounting losses, they were establishing a new managerial department in a brand new building.
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Newark727 From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 576 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (3 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1066 times:
If the government was a for-profit business, I'd be more inclined to agree. But while efficient, lean government is a laudable goal, it's not the only goal government should have and at the moment I don't really mind it taking a back seat.
mt99 From United States of America, joined exactly 13 years ago today! , 5640 posts, RR: 8 Reply 22, posted (3 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1052 times:
Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 20):
I think we need someone who can recognize the problem and start slashing and burning.
Dreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 6457 posts, RR: 36 Reply 23, posted (3 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1046 times:
Quoting Newark727 (Reply 21): If the government was a for-profit business, I'd be more inclined to agree. But while efficient, lean government is a laudable goal, it's not the only goal government should have and at the moment I don't really mind it taking a back seat.
We have gotten too used to thinking that way - that if we downsize the government we would be increasing unemployment.
But government workers do not produce any value. Government is like the G&A in a company like GM. G&A are the accountants, the janitors, the HR administrators. Sure, we need some (as few as possible), but they are not the ones who create value - which in the case of GM would be the engineers, the factory workers, the designers.
in the US economy, the private sector are the engineers, factory workers. The government is HR, Administration, accounting and legal departments. We need some of them, but it is utterly useless and counterproductive for them to be overstaffed.
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Dreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 6457 posts, RR: 36 Reply 24, posted (3 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1040 times:
Quoting mt99 (Reply 22): Isnt that Obama did with GM?
"GM Claims Number One Sales Crown -- Again"
Check their stock prices. GM is trading at little more than half the value from just a year ago, but yes things should be improving. I want to see where their revenue growth comes from, and we won't know that for another couple of months when financials are published. I know that GM has lost about 25% of their non-truck car market share in the US in the past few years, so I am really curious where it's coming from. It would be funny if they are publicly crediting it to Green cars like the Volt and in reality it's from the big, smelly truck division...
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25 BN747: Yeah, like it worked so well in the last round of debates...virtually no one knew he was present. Ummmm... yeah, risk your health to prove your dedic
26 Dreadnought: He can have bad days too. But he has had a lot more good debates than bad ones. Where he has stumbled is when he started to "go negative" and attack
27 PPVRA: I disagree Gingrich has substance. He has displayed remarkably little substance, but I'll give him credit where its due: his expertise in dodging ques
28 BN747: LOL....yeah right! A critical moment like that was the time to be off your game... look where it has gotten him just as he was gaining traction. This
29 Revelation: I suppose the following didn't register with you just two weeks ago. Not a surprise since it did not register with many: Ref: http://www.bloomberg.co
30 Dreadnought: Well, yeah - the Republicans don't believe a word of it, and the the last thing the Democrats want is an efficient government, so sure there would be
31 apodino: According to recent surveys, if Santorum were to get out of the race, his supporters would be more likely to support Romney than Gingrich, where Ging
32 DocLightning: No no no. If it's good, Obama didn't do it (GM, OBL, economic recovery, favorable jobs report, etc.). If it's bad, then Obama did it, even if it happ
33 mt99: Gingrich also wants amnesty for illegals!
34 mt99: In other news.. Romney: The poor are doing great! No need to pay any attention to them. http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics...not-concerned-about-the
35 DeltaMD90: I was actually thinking about this earlier. Let's go back to the Tea Party rallies, the very first ones. I don't care what people say, those initial
36 Revelation: To quote Rick Perry: "They're vultures. They're sitting out there on the tree limb waiting for the company to get sick and then they swoop in. They e
37 DeltaMD90: I saw this. I think it's very deceptive titling. I think Mitt could've worded it better, but he acknowledges that they have a safety net, and that th
38 canoecarrier: The Paul campaign is really trying to win some delegates here in the Washington Caucus. This election isn't about electing someone into office its ab
39 BN747: Swoosh, that's Carl Icahn for ya'...and Willard at Bain Capital. Oh he knew what I was getting at... he's just trying to play dumb. BN747
40 StarAC17: He also wants to send US marshalls over activist judges which I assume are the ones whom don't agree with him. Also why are activist judges only libe
41 Dreadnought: I would never try to beat you at your own game. Have you bothered to find out A) How many companies were saved with Bain investment, and B) How many
43 BN747: Well you certainly haven't. Growing companies that export jobs abroad doesn't help the nation. So go ahead. list the companies that Bain hasn't rippe
44 Dreadnought: No, but 1) I have plenty of personal experience with private equity firms such as Bain and their management, and 2) Bain was top-rated among firms whi
45 Dreadnought: Well yeah, because of out tax structure. Apple has over $50 billion in cash stuck overseas because if they bring it back to the US, they get whacked
46 BN747: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036697/#46227253 Willard in Las Vegas last October at Home Foreclosure Seminar " Don't try and stop the foreclosure proce
47 einsteinboricua: Question: if the November vote favors Romney, what will become of the US if the only reason he won was because he could? Where are this man's ideas? A
48 gemuser: You seem to be forgetting that the tax paid in the other country is credited before US tax is paid. So any money Apple Australia repatrates comes wit
49 Revelation: We're not very big on ideas here in the US. Compare and contrast Willard and Newt. Newt has lots of ideas, but many of them are scary, especially to
50 StarAC17: The one thing that everyone forgets is there is no way an American can compete with a Chinese worker in anyway even though an American if IIRC can pr
51 Revelation: Are you really playing the "sympathy for Apple" card? Given that they manufacture almost nothing in the US? Do you really think that lack of cash is
52 Dreadnought: That's basic macroeconomics. The more you try to hold back the dam, the further you dig yourself into the hole. The simple, undeniable fact is that t
53 mt99: No,you cant. A single "success" might be a 10 person company ending up as an 8 person company with more profits. Or a 10 person company growing to 15
54 redflyer: We have our differences, Rev, but that is one of the best posts I've read.
55 Klaus: Reality is far simpler: – Apple's manufacturing is only a tiny fraction of their total expenses – there would be very little to gain for the USA
56 Revelation: You're smart enough to know that measuring by a fraction of expenses works pretty well given that Apple currently pays peanuts for labor. The gain, o
57 Superfly: Heck we mine as well elect Donald Trump. The choices for 2012 really, really sucks! The choice between Obama and Romney is like choosing AIDS vs. can
58 Dreadnought: But that's the point - it only benefits the investors (who don't particularly care if the money is repatriated or not, as long as it is consolidated
59 Revelation: That would only bring it into corporate coffers. Whether or not it'd create US jobs is quite debatable. Interesting question. Do you really equate th
60 Mir: Not everyone can be a millionaire. Even if everyone wanted to, society couldn't support it - there needs to be some income disparity, otherwise you'v
61 PPVRA: “I’m a little Ron Paulish… to take a political slant. I think both parties have basically done the same thing and they would complain relative t
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