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F1: Off Season 2011-2012 Part 2  
User currently offlineBlueElephant From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 1813 posts, RR: 6
Posted (2 years 6 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4538 times:

I could have sworm that there was a Part 1 thread, but I cannot seem to find it.

The new season is just a month and a half away!

This year we should have a new race in the U.S. (I want to go but don't know yet if i'll make it!)

Both Caterham (Lotus) and McLaren have released images of their 2012 challengers so far, All other teams aside from Mercedes, Marussia and HRT should be unveiled before the first test on Tuesday.

Caterham's new car -nothing amazing
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/97174

McLaren's new challenger - Seems rather the same as previous years (although it's a complete rework apparently)
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/97248

Commenting on the McLaren - I'm thinking here that we're not seeing the complete story here. It looks rather ordinary. I assume there will be another couple noses, and some hidden engineering marvels that increase its speed.

Should be an interesting couple weeks!

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User currently offlinezckls04 From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 1265 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (2 years 6 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4516 times:

Quoting BlueElephant (Thread starter):
Commenting on the McLaren - I'm thinking here that we're not seeing the complete story here. It looks rather ordinary. I assume there will be another couple noses, and some hidden engineering marvels that increase its speed.

According to McLaren themselves they are expecting questions to be asked by the other teams over the cars legality. They claim they have been too conservative in the past and are pushing the boundaries a lot more this time.

Seems an odd thing to say though- they'd have to be pretty sure it was legit to be inviting scrutiny from other teams. Maybe trying to avoid the problem that most of the teams seem to have from time to time where Charlie OK's something after a casual enquiry, and then changes his mind mid-season after presumably being overruled by the Feds.

In any case, they need a fast start for once. If they get one it could be pretty interesting seeing if we get some intra-team fireworks.



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User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8440 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (2 years 6 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4484 times:

Quoting zckls04 (Reply 1):
Seems an odd thing to say though- they'd have to be pretty sure it was legit to be inviting scrutiny from other teams. Maybe trying to avoid the problem that most of the teams seem to have from time to time where Charlie OK's something after a casual enquiry, and then changes his mind mid-season after presumably being overruled by the Feds.

That's probably what they're expecting to happen.

Quoting BlueElephant (Thread starter):
Commenting on the McLaren - I'm thinking here that we're not seeing the complete story here. It looks rather ordinary. I assume there will be another couple noses, and some hidden engineering marvels that increase its speed.

What's been launched is probably different to whats going to be in testing next week.


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10893 posts, RR: 37
Reply 3, posted (2 years 6 months 19 hours ago) and read 4417 times:

McLaren was the first team to present their new car for the 2012 season - the MP4-27.
The launch of the new McLaren is the official start of the F1 2012 season.

http://www.mclaren.com/formula1

MP4-27 technical specification
Chassis

Monocoque: McLaren-moulded carbonfibre composite incorporating front and side impact structures
Front suspension: Inboard torsion bar/damper system operated by pushrod and bell crank with a double wishbone arrangement
Rear suspension: Inboard torsion bar/damper system operated by pullrod and bell crank with a double wishbone arrangement
Electronics: McLaren Electronic Systems. Including chassis control, engine control, data acquisition, dashboard, alternator, sensors, data analysis and telemetry.
Bodywork: Carbon-fibre composite. Separate engine cover, sidepods and floor. Structural nose with integral front wing.
Driver-operated drag reduction system
Tyres: Pirelli P Zero
Radio: Kenwood
Race wheels: Enkei
Brake callipers: Akebono
Master cylinders: Akebono
Batteries: GS Yuasa Corporation
Steering: McLaren power-assisted
Instruments: McLaren Electronic Systems
Paint solutions: AkzoNobel Car Refinishes using Sikkens products

Engine

Type: Mercedes-Benz FO 108Z
Capacity: 2.4 litres
Cylinders: 8
Maximum rpm: 18,000
Bank angle: 90°
Piston bore maximum: 98mm
Number of valves: 32
Fuel: ExxonMobil High Performance Unleaded (5.75% bio fuel)
Spark plugs: NGK racing spark plugs specially designed for Formula 1
Lubricants: Mobil 1 - combining greater performance, protection and cooling with increased economy and lower emissions
Weight: 95kg (minimum FIA regulation weight)

KERS Hybrid

Type: Mercedes-Benz
e-Motor: Engine-mounted electrical motor/generator
ESS: Integrated energy storage cells and power electronics
Power: 60 kW

Transmission

Gearbox: McLaren-moulded carbon-fibre composite.
Integral rear impact structure
Gears: Seven forward and one reverse
Gear selection: McLaren seamless shift, hand-operated
Clutch: Carbon/carbon, hand-operated
Lubricants: Mobil

See the pictures of the new MP4-27 at the launch ceremony

https://picasaweb.google.com/111156109945808632785/McLarenLaunch2012?authkey=Gv1sRgCITEw4qVk727VQ&noredirect=1

Vodafone McLaren Mercedes reveals MP4-27

Official Vodafone McLaren Mercedes web site technical launch gallery

http://www.mclaren.com/page/mp4-27-technical-launch--gallery

I hope Lewis will give up his showbiz aspirations and friends and he will fully concentrate on his future in Formula 1. This year could be his last chance as there are many talented young drivers waiting for his seat.

As for Jenson, I am sure he will do very well again in 2012 up to his best as usual. He has got the right environment and talent to succeed.

Good luck McLaren Mercedes. Give us a great 2012 season!

  



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User currently offlineDano1977 From British Indian Ocean Territory, joined Jun 2008, 485 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 6 months 18 hours ago) and read 4412 times:

Ferrari have launched their 2012 challenger...

http://badgergp.com/2012/02/new-ferrari-f1-f12-car-launch/


Nice nose!  Wow!



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User currently offlineDano1977 From British Indian Ocean Territory, joined Jun 2008, 485 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 6 months 18 hours ago) and read 4411 times:

Force India launched their 2012 challenger this morning too.

http://badgergp.com/2012/02/force-india-f1-car-launch/

And your starter question for 10...

Name 1 thing that this car and the Ferrari F1 car have in common?



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10893 posts, RR: 37
Reply 6, posted (2 years 6 months 17 hours ago) and read 4408 times:

Quoting Dano1977 (Reply 4):
Ferrari have launched their 2012 challenger...

http://badgergp.com/2012/02/new-ferrari-f1-f12-car-launch/


Thank you for posting this. I like the car.

There is a really nice article about the new F-2012 launch in today's La Gazzetta dello Sport with the two Ferrari drivers comments and impressions, also Stefano Domenicali and the big boss, Luca di Montezemolo.

"The new Ferrari is born. Her name is F-2012".

http://www.gazzetta.it/Formula1/02-0...tazione-via-web--81221039689.shtml

You can use Google Translate to get the article in your own language.

Article says "photos to be posted later" so check the link later for pictures.

Looking at the new F-2012 seems that the new McLaren's nose may not be legit?

   

As for the new Vijay Mallya 05 let's see how it will do during testings.



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User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8440 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (2 years 6 months 17 hours ago) and read 4398 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 6):
Looking at the new F-2012 seems that the new McLaren's nose may not be legit?

The front of the McLaren chassis is lower and they don't need the step down nose.


User currently offlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12407 posts, RR: 46
Reply 8, posted (2 years 6 months 16 hours ago) and read 4384 times:
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Quoting Dano1977 (Reply 4):
Ferrari have launched their 2012 challenger...
Quoting Dano1977 (Reply 5):
Force India launched their 2012 challenger this morning too.

Damn, those are ugly, especially the Ferrari.   



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User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2810 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (2 years 6 months 13 hours ago) and read 4363 times:

When they wrote the new rules, I hope the FIA did not have that kind of design in mind. Those noses are ugly. The look like a boxer's nose, completely bended because of punches...

[Edited 2012-02-03 07:40:17]


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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10893 posts, RR: 37
Reply 10, posted (2 years 6 months 11 hours ago) and read 4352 times:

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 9):
Those noses are ugly.

Don't worry. They will be changed again next year.

 

I am waiting to see the 2012 version of the Red Bulls, the Saubers and the SchumiCar.

I wish so much that Schumi could win himself an 8th F1 WDC title but considering the car I think he has almost no chances for it to happen.

A Red Bull for Schumi!!!!!

     



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10893 posts, RR: 37
Reply 11, posted (2 years 6 months 7 hours ago) and read 4333 times:

I just saw this on BBC News

Sauber's technical director James Key has left the Swiss team to take up a new role in the UK.
Key, who has been with Sauber for two years, did not reveal what the new role was or whether it was in Formula 1.
...
Sauber said that Key's responsibilities would be shared by the heads of the four engineering departments.
The team's new car will be launched on Monday 6 February, ahead of the start of pre-season testing on 7 February in Jerez, Spain.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/16877694

 



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User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8440 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 4230 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 11):

Looks like they'll be off to a slow start since they've lost their Key.


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10893 posts, RR: 37
Reply 13, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 4227 times:

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 12):
Looks like they'll be off to a slow start since they've lost their Key.

I had a good laugh!

 



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User currently offlinesudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 4226 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 6):
Looking at the new F-2012 seems that the new McLaren's nose may not be legit?

It's very legit as stated already by Bill142. There will more designs that differs from Ferrari and Force India, but this does not mean that they are not legit. Just different approaches by the teams.

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 12):
Looks like they'll be off to a slow start since they've lost their Key.

Maybe they can get a spare Key that actually works now.



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User currently offlinesudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 4207 times:

The new Sauber has been launched......

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/97335



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10893 posts, RR: 37
Reply 16, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 4194 times:

Quoting sudden (Reply 15):
The new Sauber has been launched......

Thank you for the link. I had the launch date wrong as I thought it was tomorrow!   
I am not really enthused by the way they mixed the colours on the car but this has no real importance.
Sergio is no longer a F1 newbie this year. We will see how well him and Kamui will do this season.
I hope the tech team can manage well without the Key.

There will be Schumi, Kamui, Kimi, but still no Kubi.  

The 2012 season will be highly competitive with 6 World Champions on the grid.

     



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User currently offlinestealthz From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5678 posts, RR: 45
Reply 17, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 4194 times:
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Quoting sudden (Reply 15):
The new Sauber has been launched......

I think part of the engine deal with Ferrari included a clause that forced Sauber to design a car that would make the F2012 look good.

.. and they complied!!!



If your camera sends text messages, that could explain why your photos are rubbish!
User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10893 posts, RR: 37
Reply 18, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 4187 times:

From the Sauber F1 website:

Unveiling & Roll-out

Hinwil/Jerez de la Frontera, 6th February 2012 – Today, Monday, the Sauber F1 Team launches its new car for the 2012 FIA Formula One World Championship. Drivers Kamui Kobayashi (25) and Sergio Pérez (22) unveil the Sauber C31-Ferrari at the Jerez de la Frontera circuit in Spain, where on Tuesday official Formula One pre-season testing will get underway. For filming purposes the C31 will cover its initial laps today.

http://www.sauberf1team.com/en/news....auber_F1_Team_launchesC31_in_Jerez

I just wish they could find more sponsors. They need to lobby Japanese companies more.

  

Red Bull will unveil the RB8 this afternoon.

[Edited 2012-02-06 05:31:01]


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User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7150 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 4182 times:

This years crop of F1 cars are about the ugliest to date.

Sauber



Lotus



Force India



Caterham



Ferrari




Red Bull

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-KBaXikQUu-4/Ty_R6OUY1YI/AAAAAAAATWE/H1IS1XsnFX4/s1600/Red-Bull-RB8-2012-F1-Car.jpg

McLaren, I wonder if McLaren will be the only team with a pretty car?



User currently offlineBlueElephant From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 1813 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 4164 times:

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 19):
McLaren, I wonder if McLaren will be the only team with a pretty car?

I'm also wondering if Pretty Car = Slower Car :-/


User currently offlinesudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 4154 times:

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 19):
This years crop of F1 cars are about the ugliest to date.

Before we know it we have gotten used to the new look.  



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User currently offlineAcheron From Spain, joined Sep 2005, 1600 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 4132 times:

The C31 looks like the bastard child of the Caterham CT01 and the FW33.

User currently offlineDiamondFlyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 1517 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 4113 times:

Any idea on why Caterham and Lotus went with the different style nose bump than the rest of the cars released so far (sans the McLaren)?

Personally, I can't wait to see the W03.

-DiamondFlyer


User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17057 posts, RR: 10
Reply 24, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 4088 times:

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 19):
This years crop of F1 cars are about the ugliest to date.

That nose section looks awful!



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User currently offlineDano1977 From British Indian Ocean Territory, joined Jun 2008, 485 posts, RR: 0
Reply 25, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 4109 times:

I wondering what those airducts on the nose hump are for on the Red Bull?

Some kind of device that sends air flow to the bottom of the car to add down force?



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User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2810 posts, RR: 2
Reply 26, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4092 times:

Quoting Dano1977 (Reply 25):
ome kind of device that sends air flow to the bottom of the car to add down force?

Not sure what it is.

Am I optimistic by saying that it might be another brainwave from Newey that will put the RBR on top for another year?



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User currently offlineCXB77L From Australia, joined Feb 2009, 2597 posts, RR: 5
Reply 27, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 4122 times:
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Here's the new Williams Renault FW34:



Unfortunately, it has that ugly stepped noes like all other cars released so far, bar the McLaren. I wonder if McLaren are onto something here that every other team missed ....



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User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7150 posts, RR: 3
Reply 28, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 4110 times:

Quoting Dano1977 (Reply 25):
I wondering what those airducts on the nose hump are for on the Red Bull?

Looks like Williams have the same arrangement.


User currently offlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12407 posts, RR: 46
Reply 29, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 4054 times:
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Quoting Dano1977 (Reply 25):
Some kind of device that sends air flow to the bottom of the car to add down force?

Adrian Newey says it's ony for driver cooling.   



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User currently offlineAcheron From Spain, joined Sep 2005, 1600 posts, RR: 2
Reply 30, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 4042 times:

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 27):
I wonder if McLaren are onto something here that every other team missed ....

There is equally a chance of them being the ones who missed the boat. Particularly if Newey went for a stepped nose.


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10893 posts, RR: 37
Reply 31, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 4011 times:

Kimi is back and he wants everybody to know about it!

Kimi Raikkonen sets fastest pre-season testing time on F1 return
By Andrew Benson Chief F1 writer

Kimi Raikkonen set the fastest time on the first day of pre-season testing, his first day of running with other drivers since his return to Formula 1.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/16932283

Looks like 2012 will be an exciting season with the 6 World Champions at the wheel.

        



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User currently offlinesudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 32, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3999 times:

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 26):
Am I optimistic by saying that it might be another brainwave from Newey that will put the RBR on top for another year?

Would not surpise me one bit.

Quoting scbriml (Reply 29):
Adrian Newey says it's ony for driver cooling.

hahahaha.....now that's funny.



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User currently offlinesudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 33, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3895 times:

Gary Anderson clarifies a few things that might put some discussions here to rest....
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/16864721  



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10893 posts, RR: 37
Reply 34, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3869 times:

Looks like the 2012 Bahrain F1 Grand Prix will be cancelled.

Formula 1 has been urged to call off the Bahrain Grand Prix by a group of leading British peers in the wake of continuing unrest in the Gulf state.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/16962812

I haven't heard Bernie say anything so it's a wait and see situation.

 



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User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8440 posts, RR: 8
Reply 35, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3865 times:

Quoting sudden (Reply 33):

Now I understand what the rule change was that made all those dropped noses.


User currently offlinesudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 36, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3801 times:

I think it's cool that Gary Anderson joins as he will be able to feed us with valuable info from the technical point of view.
A strong trio they have now BBC.



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User currently offlinesudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 37, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3574 times:

Finally Trulli has been replaced! Petrov got his drive.........

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/97552

If there is one driver I wont miss in F1, it's Trulli. His contribution to his team has been slim to none since....I don't know when.



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User currently offlineAcheron From Spain, joined Sep 2005, 1600 posts, RR: 2
Reply 38, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3568 times:

Quoting sudden (Reply 37):
If there is one driver I wont miss in F1, it's Trulli. His contribution to his team has been slim to none since....I don't know when.

I'm sure I'll miss the Trulli Train, though :-P


User currently offlineBlueElephant From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 1813 posts, RR: 6
Reply 39, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3564 times:

Quoting Acheron (Reply 38):
I'm sure I'll miss the Trulli Train, though :-P

Me too,

but for what it's worth i think we have a very interesting line up this year. The likes of Hulkenburg being back and Ricciardo and Vergne who are supposed to be magical. Kimi is back ni the car and I feel Lotus will surprise.

If and Hamilton is back on his A game and McLaren deliver, I think we could be in for a really interesting season.


User currently offlinezak From Greenland, joined Sep 2003, 1993 posts, RR: 8
Reply 40, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3515 times:

2012 Merc revealed:

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-conten...s_w03_silverstone_2012-606x404.jpg



10=2
User currently offlinestealthz From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5678 posts, RR: 45
Reply 41, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3481 times:
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Quoting zak (Reply 40):
2012 Merc revealed:


I thought Sauber had the deal to make the Ferrari look good.. seems I was wrong, Mercedes have been severely slapped with the ugly stick!!

I wonder if all these step nosed teams have been suckered by Red Bull, McLaren never had a high chassis and were pretty competitive so didn't need the "step".
Red Bull had a high chassis and because they were so fast everyone (except 1) followed them.. now they all have this ridiculous duck-bill ... but Newey might be one step ahead again with his mysterious "driver cooling" vent.

Time will tell,



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User currently offlinezak From Greenland, joined Sep 2003, 1993 posts, RR: 8
Reply 42, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3456 times:

Quoting stealthz (Reply 41):
Red Bull had a high chassis and because they were so fast everyone (except 1) followed them.. now they all have this ridiculous duck-bill ... but Newey might be one step ahead again with his mysterious "driver cooling" vent.

The logic behind the high nose is this:
The higher the nose the more mass-flow of air can be under the Nose. That air is the air that can be used to work the downforce. Increasing this workable mass-flow of air was also the reason for the whole exhaust in the diffusor scheme of last year that is now banned by regulations. In that aspect, it appears that this years Merc has by far the most extreme Nose, after all it has the highest and slimmest nose at the same time, it should be interesting to see if they get this potential mass flow advantage into downforce.

The interesting part on the whole new noses is that it appears that only RB and Merc have developed a "blown" front wing, as evident by the RB "cooling vents" in the "step" and the big oval opening in the Merc "nose".



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10893 posts, RR: 37
Reply 43, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3323 times:

As a former Bahrain race regular I received the email with the discounted tickets offer. For as much as I would like to go back to the Kingdom it seems highly likely that the race will be scrubbed, maybe for good.

    

Not sure how many will want to go due to political events. Maybe most living away from the Gulf regioon will be in no rush to rush buying tickets for the race.

What will Bernie do this year? Bahrain F1 Yes or No?

    



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User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7150 posts, RR: 3
Reply 44, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 3314 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 43):
it seems highly likely that the race will be scrubbed, maybe for good.

Which is good because the event was crap, held on a horrible boring circuit in a country which really couldn't give a crap about F1.


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10893 posts, RR: 37
Reply 45, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 3289 times:

This is Kamui's new bilingual Japanese/English web site with some really nice graphics.

http://www.kamui-kobayashi.com/

           



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User currently offlinesudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 46, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3219 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 45):
This is Kamui's new bilingual Japanese/English web site with some really nice graphics.

Well, If you are a midfield driver I guess you need to have a site that shines the more.

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 44):
Which is good because the event was crap, held on a horrible boring circuit in a country which really couldn't give a crap about F1.

That probably covers it.



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10893 posts, RR: 37
Reply 47, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3216 times:

Quoting sudden (Reply 37):
If there is one driver I wont miss in F1, it's Trulli.

Sadly there are no more Italian drivers in Formula 1.

Drivers coming from countries with such great automobile history and great constructors like Ferrari, Lamborghini, Pagani and Maserati are being replaced with drivers from countries with no automobile history such as Russia.... and others.

Not sure which historical Russian car factory could compete with brands such as Bugatti, Fiat, Alfa Romeo, not talking about great names like Ferrari and genius designer Pininfarina.

We had...
Patrese
Capelli
Martini
Morbidelli
Larini
Alboreto
Zanardi
Fisichella
Trulli
Liuzzi

We now have an uncertain paid driver named Vitaly Petrov.

Maybe it won't be long until we see a Tata on the grid.

New money wins.

 

[Edited 2012-02-22 04:26:21]


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User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7150 posts, RR: 3
Reply 48, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3205 times:

When was the last time we actually had an Italian behind the wheel of a Formula 1 car that was any good, could win races and challenge for the F1 Drivers Championship? The answer is a very long time ago, 1953 to be exact, Alberto Ascari in a Ferrari. I'm purposely not including Mario Andretti in 1978, as he raced under an American racing license and was only born in Italy, which is now part of Croatia, so he's Croatian American rather than Italian American.

To sum it up not having an Italian driver isn't a big deal, if you said there were no longer any British drivers in the Championship then I'd be concerned, after all Britain is the home of Formula 1!

[Edited 2012-02-22 05:43:54]

User currently offlinesudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 49, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3201 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 47):
Drivers coming from countries with such great automobile history and great constructors like Ferrari, Lamborghini, Pagani and Maserati are being replaced with drivers from countries with no automobile history such as Russia.... and others.

Just because Italy has a great history in car manufacturing, doesn't automatically mean that they have good race drivers.
Look how good Badoer nursed his chance when he was able to race, or Fisi.
And you seem to also forget that Ferrari only takes on drivers that are able to drive and push development. Not midfield drivers like Kamui, to name one.



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User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7150 posts, RR: 3
Reply 50, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3195 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 47):
Maybe it won't be long until we see a Tata on the grid.

It wouldn't surprise me if one of the Tata group companies had a crack at LeMan's, after all Jaguar is owned by Tata, they have a fine history in sportscar racing, more to the point Tata is a far larger company than many of the companies who own F1 teams.


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10893 posts, RR: 37
Reply 51, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3170 times:

Quoting sudden (Reply 49):
Ferrari only takes on drivers that are able to drive and push development. Not midfield drivers like Kamui, to name one.

It is quite clear that you have a grudge against the humble sushi boy driving talent and his capability to make it to the F1 circuit.

You would be overjoyed if Peter Sauber had fired him and replaced him but it did not happen - He is still the team's leading driver like it or not.

There was no question of Ferrari getting rid of Felipe Massa anyway.


Circuit de Catalunya: Testing Day One

Driver Car Time Laps
1. Sebastian Vettel Red Bull RB8 1:23.265 79
2. Nico Hulkenberg Force India VJM05 1:23.440 97
3. Lewis Hamilton McLaren MP4-27 1:23.590 114
4. Daniel Ricciardo Toro Rosso STR07 1:23.618 76
5. Fernando Alonso Ferrari F2012 1:24.100 75
6. Michael Schumacher Mercedes W03 1:24.150 51
7. Sergio Perez Sauber C31 1:24.219 66
8. Bruno Senna Williams FW34 1:25.711 97
9. Heikki Kovalainen Caterham CT01 1:26.035 31
10. Romain Grosjean Lotus E20 1:26.809 7
11. Charles Pic Marussia MVR02 1:28.026 121

Testing Day Two

Driver Car Time Laps
1. Nico Hulkenberg Force India VJM05 1:22.608 112
2. Sergio Perez Sauber C31 1:22.648 85
3. Sebastian Vettel Red Bull RB8 1:22.891 104
5. Fernando Alonso Ferrari F2012 1:23.180 87
5. Daniel Ricciardo Toro Rosso STR07 1:23.639 50
6. Lewis Hamilton McLaren MP4-27 1:23.806 120
7. Nico Rosberg Mercedes W03 1:24.555 82
8. Valtteri Bottas Williams FW34 1:25.738 117
9. Vitaly Petrov Caterham CT01 1:26.605 69
10. Charles Pic Marussia MVR02 1:27.343 108


  

[Edited 2012-02-22 10:13:51]


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User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7150 posts, RR: 3
Reply 52, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3181 times:

Quoting sudden (Reply 49):
And you seem to also forget that Ferrari only takes on drivers that are able to drive and push development. Not midfield drivers like Kamui, to name one.

I don't think Ferrari have had a lightweight like Kamui in one of their cars for decades.


User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2810 posts, RR: 2
Reply 53, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3169 times:

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 48):
To sum it up not having an Italian driver isn't a big deal
Quoting sudden (Reply 49):
Just because Italy has a great history in car manufacturing, doesn't automatically mean that they have good race drivers.

I agree with that. Though I am sad to see that no Italian driver will take part of the next championship, it's not going to prevent me from slepping either. I agree that Italian F1 drivers never left an impressive memory of their talent over the past few decades. The last driver who comes to mind is Riccardo Patrese, who finished vice-champion in 1992.



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10893 posts, RR: 37
Reply 54, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3161 times:

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 53):
I agree with that. Though I am sad to see that no Italian driver will take part of the next championship

Never mind. It will be another Red Bull year with a Seb 3rd time world title.

He would still have to go a long way to beat Schumi with 7 titles.

 



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User currently offlinezckls04 From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 1265 posts, RR: 3
Reply 55, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3149 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 47):
We now have an uncertain paid driver named Vitaly Petrov.

Maybe it won't be long until we see a Tata on the grid.

New money wins.

Pay drivers are, and always have been, an integral part of Formula One at the back of the field. It always amazes me how many people forget the bad old days of 1985-1995. Remember Jean Denis-Deletraz? Probably not. Taki Inoue? Olivier Berette? Every single Larrousse driver? They were all way, way worse (and more numerous).

The fact is that Petrov had a chance at a midfield team run (you can argue whether or not that was smart, but who would you have taken instead? Renault were not a very attractive prospect after their race-fixing antics, and they already thought they had Kubica as their lead; why not take a chance on Petrov?), and he is now at the back of the field in a Caterham. I'd put him up against any of the 80s and 90s pay drivers though.



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User currently offlinesudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 56, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3088 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 51):
It is quite clear that you have a grudge against the humble sushi boy driving talent and his capability to make it to the F1 circuit.


He's simply overrated. He made it to the track, but he will never make it to any of the top teams. I use him a reference cause that might make you understand.

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 51):
You would be overjoyed if Peter Sauber had fired him and replaced him but it did not happen - He is still the team's leading driver like it or not.


Since when did he become the lead driver? Please show me the article stating this.

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 51):
There was no question of Ferrari getting rid of Felipe Massa anyway.


Massa and Kamui has nothing in common. Let alone, if Massa would be fired Ferrari would for sure not be looking for a replacement in Kamui's pit garage.
That said, I feel that Massa's glory days are gone and that Ferrari should replace him.



When in doubt, flat out!
User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8440 posts, RR: 8
Reply 57, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3063 times:

Quoting sudden (Reply 56):
Massa and Kamui has nothing in common.

Not true. They've both driven for Sauber at some point during their career.


User currently offlinesudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 58, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3061 times:

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 57):
Not true. They've both driven for Sauber at some point during their career.

I stand corrected. At least Massa got somewhere (read Ferrari).



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User currently offlineDano1977 From British Indian Ocean Territory, joined Jun 2008, 485 posts, RR: 0
Reply 59, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3060 times:

Quoting zckls04 (Reply 55):
Pay drivers are, and always have been, an integral part of Formula One at the back of the field. It always amazes me how many people forget the bad old days of 1985-1995. Remember Jean Denis-Deletraz? Probably not. Taki Inoue? Olivier Berette? Every single Larrousse driver? They were all way, way worse (and more numerous).

Probably the worst pay driver of all was Pedro Diniz

He had mummy and daddies millions to shoe horn him into an F1 car (Forti, Ligier,Arrows and Sauber)

99 races 0 wins 0 podiums and 10 championship points.



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User currently offlinesudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 60, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3058 times:

Quoting Dano1977 (Reply 59):

If I recall correct he paid 50 million for his ticket in to F1.



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10893 posts, RR: 37
Reply 61, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3058 times:

Quoting sudden (Reply 56):
He's simply overrated.

You are really a Kamui hater.

Looking at the 2011 WDC standings, he is not in the tops, but he is not in the bottom either. He is a good middle, taking into account that he was driving a more than average car, and he finished 5th here in Monaco.

12th out of 28 is not bad, really, for a driver who got in without any sponsor, only chosen by team owner Peter Sauber. In case you don't know, Sergio Perez (as good and nice as he is) is a paid driver, sponsored by TELMEX, paid by Mexican Carlos Slim Helu, the world's top richest man in Forbes 500.

FIA Formula 1 drivers' world championship
Last updated: Thursday, 12 January 2012 11:39 UK

Position Driver Country Team Points
1 Sebastian Vettel Ger Red Bull-Renault 392
2 Jenson Button GB McLaren-Mercedes 270
3 Mark Webber Aus Red Bull-Renault 258
4 Fernando Alonso Spa Ferrari 257
5 Lewis Hamilton GB McLaren-Mercedes 227
6 Felipe Massa Brz Ferrari 118
7 Nico Rosberg Ger Mercedes GP 89
8 Michael Schumacher Ger Mercedes GP 76
9 Adrian Sutil Ger Force India-Mercedes 42
10 Vitaly Petrov Rus Renault 37
11 Nick Heidfeld Ger Renault 34

12 Kamui Kobayashi Jpn Sauber 30

13 Paul Di Resta GB Force India-Mercedes 27
14 Jaime Alguersuari Spa Toro Rosso-Ferrari 26
15 Sebastien Buemi Swi Toro Rosso-Ferrari 15
16 Sergio Perez Mex Sauber 14
17 Rubens Barrichello Brz Williams-Cosworth 4
18 Bruno Senna Brz Renault 2
19 Pastor Maldonado Ven Williams-Cosworth 1
20 Pedro de la Rosa Spa Sauber 0
21 Jarno Trulli Ita Lotus-Renault 0
22 Heikki Kovalainen Fin Lotus-Renault 0
23 Vitantonio Liuzzi Ita HRT-Cosworth 0
24 Jerome d'Ambrosio Bel Virgin-Cosworth 0
25 Timo Glock Ger Virgin-Cosworth 0
26 Daniel Ricciardo Aus HRT-Cosworth 0
27 Narain Karthikeyan Ind HRT-Cosworth 0
28 Karun Chandhok Ind Lotus-Renault 0

  


About Bahrain...

Ecclestone backs Bahrain GP to go ahead despite violent clashes

F1 boss Bernie Ecclestone believes the Bahrain Grand Prix should go ahead on 22 April as planned despite a return to violence in the Gulf state.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/17038966

  



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User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8440 posts, RR: 8
Reply 62, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3051 times:

Quoting Dano1977 (Reply 59):
Probably the worst pay driver of all was Pedro Diniz

There were worse. Pedro Diniz at least had super licence. There was a stage where you could plonk down your cash and get a gig. Particularly during the 70's when teams went through drivers who brought in enough funds for a few races. But the FIA tightened things up, including the introduction of the super licence and limits on the number of driver changes during a season to ensure that pay drivers weren't going to cause harm to others and to stop teams running a new driver every weekend.


User currently offlinesudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 63, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3053 times:

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 62):
There were worse.

How about Ide who got his Super License withdrawn completely. That count as worse in my books.  



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User currently offlineBlueElephant From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 1813 posts, RR: 6
Reply 64, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2993 times:

The Tabloids are reporting Lewis Hamilton is back in a relationship with his squeeze Nicole. Which could be both positive and negative.

He also mentioned yesterday he felt very positive about the new McLaren. Sebastian Vettel has also noted the McLaren looks quick.

As a McLaren fan, I'm really nervous as their car still doesn't look at all like the others and Richard Anderson commented it's likely to be slow. Melbourne Qualifying can't come soon enough.


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10893 posts, RR: 37
Reply 65, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2974 times:

Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 64):
The Tabloids are reporting Lewis Hamilton is back in a relationship with his squeeze Nicole. Which could be both positive and negative.

The two are inseparable. They are really the other one's best match.
Let's hope it will be for the better.

Sweet: F1 Fan makes Red Bull RB8 out of cardboard

Red Bull Racing fan ‘Chibi’ has created his own cute little Red Bull RB8 out of cardboard, big enough for him to sit in.

http://www.gogogohawaii.com/

The page is in Japanese. There are many pictures of the child's Red Bull.
Click on the pictures for larger versions.

The text on the link says it's the mother who built the car for the little boy.
Whoever from the mother or the son built the RB8 did a fantastic job.

This is total genius.

Go Chibi!!!!

     



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10893 posts, RR: 37
Reply 66, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2891 times:

Thursday, February 23, 2012
Circuit de Catalunya: Testing Day Three

Times

Driver Car Time Laps
1. Pastor Maldonado Williams FW34 1:22.391 106
2. Michael Schumacher Mercedes W03 1:23.384 127
3. Kamui Kobayashi Sauber C31 1:23.582 99
4. Jenson Button McLaren MP4-27 1:23.918 114
5. Jean-Eric Vergne Toro Rosso STR07 1:24.433 78
6. Mark Webber Red Bull RB8 1:24.771 97
7. Felipe Massa Ferrari F2012 1:24.771 84
8. Paul di Resta Force India VJM05 1:25.646 83
9. Timo Glock Marussia MVR02 1:26.173 108
10. Vitaly Petrov Caterham CT01 1:26.448 70

  


Jenson Button quickest on final day of Barcelona test

After two hours' running at Barcelona's Circuit de Catalunya, the 2009 world champion was 0.721 seconds quicker than Kamui Kobayashi's Sauber.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/17154983

 spin 

[Edited 2012-02-24 04:09:32]


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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10893 posts, RR: 37
Reply 67, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2808 times:

Friday, February 24, 2012
Circuit de Catalunya: Testing Day Four

Times

Driver Car Time Laps
1. Kamui Kobayashi Sauber C31 1:22.312 145
2. Pastor Maldonado Williams FW34 1:22.561 134
3. Paul di Resta Force India VJM05 1:23.119 101
4. Jenson Button McLaren MP4-27 1:23.200 115
5. Felipe Massa Ferrari F2012 1:23.563 103
6. Mark Webber Red Bull RB8 1:23.774 85
7. Jean-Eric Vergne Toro Rosso STR07 1:23.792 92
8. Nico Rosberg Mercedes W03 1:23.843 139
9. Heikki Kovalainen Caterham CT01 1:26.968 70

     

Kamui Kobayashi sets pace on final day of Barcelona test

Sauber's Kamui Kobayashi set the pace on the final day of the second pre-season test in Spain.

Kobayashi was 0.249 seconds ahead of Williams's Pastor Maldonado with the best time of the week, beating Maldonado's Thursday lap by 0.079secs.

Sauber's Kamui Kobayashi set the pace on the final day of the second pre-season test in Spain.

Kobayashi was 0.249 seconds ahead of Williams's Pastor Maldonado with the best time of the week, beating Maldonado's Thursday lap by 0.079secs.


     



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User currently offlinestealthz From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5678 posts, RR: 45
Reply 68, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2804 times:
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I know the first real indication of a teams speed will be approx 18:00 March 17th or even more meanigful, a bit before 19:00 Sun 18/03.

But .9 sec to Button and nearly 1.5sec to Webber.. were McLaren & Red Bull, fearful of an unexpected mini Ice Age in Melbourne and the possibillity of unprecedented blizzards at Sepang, testing the new Pirelli Winter tyres or evaluating cornering grip with snow chains fitted??



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User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10657 posts, RR: 9
Reply 69, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2805 times:

The bent noses are a joke. I cant remember uglier F1-car fronts since the times of the hideous Tyrrells or Ligiers back in the 70s.
I wonder why rules dont limit those ridiculous hyper-complicated front wings instead of making cars ugly with no need.

So far the 2012 tests let me fear for another Red Bull season. That would be utterly boring. Which means, I can forget this year and spend my sundays otherwise. I had hoped red Bull for once would build a flop to bring in some pepper this year. Instead its going to be the same old soup, err... lemonade.


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10893 posts, RR: 37
Reply 70, posted (2 years 5 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2657 times:

This F1 replica team from Germany have built their own full size replicas of 2010 cars, the Red Bull RB6 and the Mercedes W01.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ea7UqJF2nM0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=2kguzQXLXBE#!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=tT_wIKJo1bc#!

The team did a great job building the replicas. I really like the Red Bull. Although the engine sounds more like a lawnmower.   Though if you see it on the street people will easily believe it's the real thing!

  



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User currently offlinerfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 32
Reply 71, posted (2 years 5 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2652 times:

I prefer to remember the 'good old days'

I'm watching Grand Prix on TCM right now.


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10893 posts, RR: 37
Reply 72, posted (2 years 5 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2555 times:

Sky Sports F1 2012 :: Are you ready?

Extended version of the 'F1 like never before' promotional trailer for Sky's 'dedicated' Formula 1 HD Channel launching on March 9th 2012

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZxJFBCyIJQ&feature=related

     



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User currently offlinemad99 From Spain, joined Mar 2012, 529 posts, RR: 0
Reply 73, posted (2 years 5 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2506 times:

Frank Williams steps down.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/97786


User currently offlineaf1624 From France, joined Jul 2006, 654 posts, RR: 0
Reply 74, posted (2 years 5 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2504 times:

And Kimi Raikkonen will be appearing in Top Gear as the star in a reasonably priced car on next week's episode.

Will he beat Barichello's time ?

http://www.autosport.com/news/grapevine.php/id/97794



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User currently offlineCXB77L From Australia, joined Feb 2009, 2597 posts, RR: 5
Reply 75, posted (2 years 5 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2498 times:
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Quoting mad99 (Reply 73):
Frank Williams steps down

Well, kind of. He's stepping down from his position on the board. He'll still be Team Principal and majority stakeholder in the Williams team.

But it's great to see his daughter Claire take up a position on the Williams board. At least the Williams family will still be involved in the team even after Sir Frank steps aside altogether.



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User currently offlinemad99 From Spain, joined Mar 2012, 529 posts, RR: 0
Reply 76, posted (2 years 5 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2482 times:

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 75):

Agreed.
Williams need to do something to turn things around.


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10893 posts, RR: 37
Reply 77, posted (2 years 5 months 19 hours ago) and read 2389 times:

Bernie Ecclestone, big money, Italian castles and la dolce vita

...
Bernie Ecclestone has somehow squeezed a lifetime of extraordinary success from meagre opportunities. He was blessed neither with particularly good looks nor a commanding stature.

The son of a Lowestoft trawlerman, his origins were humble: he had started his working life selling secondhand cars.

Yet by 2011, at the age of 81, he had effectively controlled Formula 1 for more than 40 years, amassing vast personal wealth in the process. Few could forget it, thanks to the lavish expenditure of Tamara and Petra, his exotically named daughters.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/ar...e-daughter-Petras-12m-wedding.html

Bernie is a shrewd businessman. He has made a fortune off Formula 1. Those who did nothing to earn it are now spending a big chunk of it at whim.

The man is getting old. Some day in a not too distant future he will have to give it all up. The money and the women too.

 Wow!



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User currently offlinemad99 From Spain, joined Mar 2012, 529 posts, RR: 0
Reply 78, posted (2 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2297 times:

Kimi goes fasted at the the end of testing. Nice the see the Toleman team doing well!

Can't wait for the first race of 2012!


User currently offlinesudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 79, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2181 times:

Ferrari has hired Salo as their test driver. The translation is a bit funny, but you still get it. I guess we are just as surprised as Salo himself.
http://www.thescuderia.net/forums/sh...a-Salo-new-test-driver-for-Ferrari



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User currently offlinestealthz From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5678 posts, RR: 45
Reply 80, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2162 times:
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Quoting sudden (Reply 79):
I guess we are just as surprised as Salo himself.

We would be if there was anything at all to indicate he had been hired as their F1 Test driver.

Although looking at their pre-season form there maybe something to be gained by thinking "Outside the square".. but hiring a 45 y/o one time talented but not overly successful driver may be a step too far!



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10893 posts, RR: 37
Reply 81, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2065 times:

This Japanese F1 intro is absolute genius.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=CwWekNOyPc8#!

Here's to Kimi's return to F1 and an exciting 2012 season!

           



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User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17057 posts, RR: 10
Reply 82, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2034 times:

I cannot believe that there is less than a week until the first race weekend of 2012. I am sure that this year will be fantastic. Unfortunately I will miss the first two races as I will be in Italy next weekend (school trip), and the weekend after that I am in the US.


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User currently offlineBlueElephant From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 1813 posts, RR: 6
Reply 83, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2013 times:

Hamilton takes Twitter questions.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/17311228

Only 1 week left.


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10893 posts, RR: 37
Reply 84, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1987 times:

Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 83):
Only 1 week left.

I can hardly wait.

Kimi is back albeit with a lesser car.
Me thinks the battle this year will be between Seb and Jenson. I don't expect any miracles coming from Hammy but you never know. Let's hope he will wake up. This season might be his last chance. Alonso is a fab' driver but not sure if the Ferrari will follow.

I will be happy to see my favourite boyz on the F1 racing tracks. Schumi, Kamui and Pedro   
and all the others too.

Go F1 2012!

Bring in the Melbourne Grand Prix!

           



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User currently offlinesudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 85, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 1911 times:

Can't wait for this season to get under way. One reason being Raikkonens return. I think he will be able to spice things up in the midfield. To be seen if the car is as good as Lotus indicates and that they will even be able challenge the frontrunners.
Kimi seem to be as prepared as he can get.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/97921

Also keen to see if Ferrari is horsing around with their lack of speed, or if it's serious business.
One week to go!  



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10893 posts, RR: 37
Reply 86, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1900 times:

Quoting sudden (Reply 85):
One week to go!

The free practices will run middle of the night for us here in Europe with qualifyings early Saturday morning.
Race will be on Sunday 7.00 AM CET.

I am really looking forward to the coming new F1 season!
Melbourne Grand Prix Ahoy!

I am not going to miss out. Bring in the action!

        



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User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17057 posts, RR: 10
Reply 87, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1896 times:

Quoting sudden (Reply 85):
One reason being Raikkonens return

  

Though I would much rather see him in a Ferrari. But hopefully he will manage to be competitive even though he is not driving for one of the top teams.

Anyway it is great to have the "iceman" back  



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10893 posts, RR: 37
Reply 88, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1840 times:

Quoting sudden (Reply 85):
One reason being Raikkonens return. I think he will be able to spice things up in the midfield.

This is for you.

Kimi Raikkonen on Top Gear 2012 Series 18, Episode 7
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35f4rd5qWA0&feature=youtu.be

  



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User currently offlinesudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 89, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1707 times:

Lotus joined partner ship with Microsoft Dynamics
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/98015

Doesn't seem to be a bad deal for Lotus.



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User currently offlineAF1624 From France, joined Jul 2006, 654 posts, RR: 0
Reply 90, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1698 times:

So sad to see this disappointing performance by Kimi on Top Gear. Granted the track was wet, but still... I was expecting a lot more than that. The interview was boring as well. I was hoping he'd show motivation and a fun personality, but Clarkson was struggling with that interview. It was painful.

Still, looking forward to the first race !



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User currently offlinesudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 91, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1696 times:

Quoting AF1624 (Reply 90):
The interview was boring as well. I was hoping he'd show motivation and a fun personality, but Clarkson was struggling with that interview. It was painful.

Painful? Raikkonen is simply short on words and I think Clarkson knows that by now.



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User currently offlineBlueElephant From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 1813 posts, RR: 6
Reply 92, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1690 times:

F1 2012: Australia! (by BlueElephant Mar 14 2012 in Non Aviation)
New thread for first race.


User currently offlinemad99 From Spain, joined Mar 2012, 529 posts, RR: 0
Reply 93, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1687 times:

Anyone up for predictions?

I reckon the first race will be more of the same.
1) Vettel
2) Hamilton
3) Alonso

I would love to see Kimi on the podium.


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10893 posts, RR: 37
Reply 94, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1670 times:

Quoting mad99 (Reply 93):
1) Vettel

Vettel named his car Abbey.

Go figure...

 



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