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Tonight's GOP Winner: Rom--SANTORUM?!  
User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7832 posts, RR: 52
Posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2600 times:

I'm lost for words... As of me typing:

MO (not the real deal tonight, just a "beauty contest):
Votes in: 99%
Santorum: 55.2%
Romney: 25.3%
Paul: 12.2%
Gingrich: didn't make the ballot. I'd say that's how Santorum did well except the other 2 states are similar!!

MN:
Votes in: 65.7%
Santorum: 44.8%
Paul: 27.2%
Romney: 17.1%
Gingrich: 10.6%

CO (still kinda early, but looking like Santorum will win):
Votes in: 25%
Santorum: 43.3%
Romney: 28.1%
Gingrich: 15.3%
Paul: 13.1%

Looks like Romney and Newt tearing each other to shreds hasn't helped either of them. After every Romney victory, pundits are always saying how "Mitt has the convention in the bag for sure" yada ya, maybe now after the 5th or so time they're wrong, they'll stay silent (doubt it.)

Big loss (IMO) for Romney. Dislike Santorum greatly, but good job on tonight's win. Newt... I think you hit your high water mark in SC, you ain't doing so well now, why does the media keep propping you up as the anti-Romney? Good job Paul in MN--strong showing, the other two states, eh, your usual 10-15% support. I'm still with ya buddy.

Who knows where this race will go now. I have an idea--it's gonna be bloody, costly, unprecedented, and all at the GOP's expense. At this point, I wouldn't blame them if they quit now and started campaigning for 2016! Yikes.


Ironically I have never flown a Delta MD-90 :)
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User currently offlineAirstud From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2638 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2594 times:

As a Minnemasota resident, I am even more stunned. I really hope Romney is the nominee, in no small part because that kind of rhymes, but also because as I see it he is the most electable out of the current GOP miasma.


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User currently offlineNewark727 From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 1335 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 2579 times:

Yeah, I didn't see this one coming either. It was weird, I didn't see any Santorum hype like the stuff that appeared before Iowa.

User currently offlinezippyjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 5478 posts, RR: 13
Reply 3, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 2579 times:

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Thread starter):

Who knows where this race will go now. I have an idea--it's gonna be bloody, costly, unprecedented, and all at the GOP's expense. At this point, I wouldn't blame them if they quit now and started campaigning for 2016! Yikes.



Your words to God's ears! I hope they kill each other. They need to have a volatile convention like the Democrat's disaster in Chicago 1968. However I hope there's none of the rioting on the outside. The GOP is out of touch with most of us working stiffs in the USA. They are the party of the rich 1% elite and the fanatical religious right. Haven't 8 years of Reagan, 4 years of daddy Bush and especially the cluster f**k that were the W years proof that this party and their leaders are toxic to the spirit of our great nation? My Dem's are far from perfect but thank God do not approach the fascism of the GOP.



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User currently offlineflymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7124 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 2568 times:

A bit annoying. Santorum is the last one put of the four I want. Looks like there is a good chance CO goes to Santorum also which is the only big loss Mitt would have tonight. Biggest thing this means I think is a bit harder for Newt but his strategy is to just do decent in Ohio and win in the south. I don't want a long primary but we might get one. Hopefully Romney pulls out on top because he is the only chance the GOP has to get rid of President Obama.


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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7832 posts, RR: 52
Reply 5, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 2562 times:

Quoting Airstud (Reply 1):
I really hope Romney is the nominee, in no small part because that kind of rhymes, but also because as I see it he is the most electable out of the current GOP miasma.
Quoting flymia (Reply 4):
Hopefully Romney pulls out on top because he is the only chance the GOP has to get rid of President Obama.

Honestly, it's looking like an uphill battle for Romney now at only, what, *6* states! You have Gingrich who I think would rather (deep down) have Obama win than Romney... at least that's the way he's acting. So he's clobbering Mitt, and now we have Santorum surging again, so now Romney is going to have to fight through this frothy mess. Plus you have Paul's loyal 10-20% that might have enough power to keep Romney for winning... prepare for a second term for Obama.

This may fall on deaf ears, but for those think Obama is the worst thing ever, try and be a bit more objective... he's probably not as bad as you think. I didn't vote for him in '08 and am probably voting third party in '12, but life is a lot easier for me when I realized that the president is NOT the pinnacle of everything bad/wrong. It is a very polarized America... try not to get sucked into one side or another.



Ironically I have never flown a Delta MD-90 :)
User currently offlineNewark727 From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 1335 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 2555 times:

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Thread starter):

MO (not the real deal tonight, just a "beauty contest):

Before the thread descends into partisan sniping can someone explain why they do this, I'm not sure I understand.


User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7832 posts, RR: 52
Reply 7, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 2547 times:

Quoting Newark727 (Reply 6):
Before the thread descends into partisan sniping can someone explain why they do this, I'm not sure I understand.

I don't know why MO did this (and I believe they are the only state to do this) but they have a vote that doesn't mean anything... they will have a caucus on March 17. So the vote is just there to be there I guess. Like I said, don't know why they did this. They could have done nothing today because they start from scratch on March 17 and do a caucus independent of today's results. Hypothetically, most of the delegates may end up going to Paul or Romney if they do well in the MO caucus



Ironically I have never flown a Delta MD-90 :)
User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19415 posts, RR: 58
Reply 8, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 2540 times:

The thing is that even in the Reagan era, the GOP was pretty good. OK, some things were done wrong during Reagan, but we had a space program, we were building new infrastructure, people smiled, and our economy was doing well. There were a bunch of problems in the day (war on drugs, gay rights, management of AIDS, environment) but in general, there was business and progress.

Then the GOP got taken over by a bunch of preachers. The trouble with preachers is that they are absolutely convinced that they are right all the time. And they use rhetoric to get what they want. So they get people all riled up about absolute BS on the one end to get people to vote for them (Obama is a Socialist? Come on. Look up "Socialist" in the dictionary!) and on the other hand, accept huge amounts of money from wealthy sponsors.

There needs to be a real conservative party in this country. I'd even vote for it. But not this GOP bullstool. That's not conservative. It's not fascist. It's not communist. It's just nonsensical.


User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19415 posts, RR: 58
Reply 9, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2528 times:

And I'm SO terribly sorry, but...



  All in good fun.


User currently offlinedoug_Or From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3402 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2514 times:

Colorado GOP chairman says Santorum has won that state.


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User currently offlinearmitageshanks From UK - England, joined Dec 2003, 3611 posts, RR: 15
Reply 11, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2494 times:

I'm working in Colorado for the winter and it surprises the hell out of me that a republican won here, let alone Santorum. Goes to show you that its never over for a candidate.

User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19415 posts, RR: 58
Reply 12, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2494 times:

Quoting armitageshanks (Reply 11):
I'm working in Colorado for the winter and it surprises the hell out of me that a republican won here, let alone Santorum. Goes to show you that its never over for a candidate.

The places where one is liable to work for the winter are very different than the rural counties that seem to really hate gays more than anything else.


User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7832 posts, RR: 52
Reply 13, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2481 times:

Quoting armitageshanks (Reply 11):
it surprises the hell out of me that a republican won here

......it's the Republican caucus so a Republican should win... (unless I misunderstood your post.)

Technically Obama has won with state's caucus, and has won every previous primary/caucus. Yes, Democrats can still go up against Obama, but they have less of a chance of beating Obama now than Santorum would in November  



Ironically I have never flown a Delta MD-90 :)
User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39703 posts, RR: 75
Reply 14, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2460 times:

Rick Santorum?!?!?!?! WHY?


Keep in mind, Minnesota is very unpredictable. They elected Jessie 'The Body' Ventura, Al Franken and Walter Mondale. Anything can happen in Minnesota.

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Thread starter):
just a "beauty contest

What?!!?!?!?!
Does that include a swimsuit contest?
This is getting twisted!   

Quoting armitageshanks (Reply 11):
I'm working in Colorado for the winter and it surprises the hell out of me that a republican won here,

?????
It's a Republican caucus.

Are you working in the ski resort towns? That is where all those shifty-eyed, big city liberals go for skiing, snowboarding and hot-tubbing!   



Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlineAirstud From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2638 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2405 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 8):
There needs to be a real conservative party in this country.

I've thought about founding something like the Secular Conservative Party. I'm all in favor of lower taxes, free markets, law and order, and states' rights. The Republican party will cry states' rights when, say, a federal court throws out a voter-approved gay marriage ban; saying the Federales are stomping on that state's "freedom." Uhhhhhh-huh...that jibes perfectly with the Republican call for a federal Constitutional amendment banning it, right? Grrrr...silliness.

Then again, I've also thought about founding Airstud University (see earlier post) so maybe my ideas don't totally have wings...



Pancakes are delicious.
User currently offlineCentre From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 488 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2392 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 8):
Then the GOP got taken over by a bunch of preachers.

And who got those preachers in the bed with Republicans?

Reagan  
Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 5):
prepare for a second term for Obama.

And what's wrong with that?



I have cut 4 times, and it's still short.
User currently offlineRara From Germany, joined Jan 2007, 2057 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2344 times:

So how does the convention decide? Does the presidential candidate have to have an absolute majority? If so, could Gingrich and Santorum unite against Romney?

If you won a primary, but then dropped out of the race, do you get to decide who your "votes" will go to?



Samson was a biblical tough guy, but his dad Samsonite was even more of a hard case.
User currently offlineStarAC17 From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 3354 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2300 times:

Quoting Airstud (Reply 15):
The Republican party will cry states' rights when, say, a federal court throws out a voter-approved gay marriage ban; saying the Federales are stomping on that state's "freedom." Uhhhhhh-huh...that jibes perfectly with the Republican call for a federal Constitutional amendment banning it, right? Grrrr...silliness.

Funny the GOP probably would be the first to tell said state to get stuffed if they electorate voted to legalize pot. It would probably pass in Cali as well.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 8):
The thing is that even in the Reagan era, the GOP was pretty good. OK, some things were done wrong during Reagan, but we had a space program, we were building new infrastructure, people smiled, and our economy was doing well. There were a bunch of problems in the day (war on drugs, gay rights, management of AIDS, environment) but in general, there was business and progress.

But you see St. Reagan would be seen as a commie by the eyes of today's GOP, ironically he oversaw (he didn't cause) the collapse of the Soviet Union. Do I dare say even Bush looks liberal to some of these tea-baggers.

In all seriousness this wing of the GOP has always existed but now it controls the party but in the 80's and 90's they were the fringe wing of the party. This is why they think that Obama is so liberal (he has governed like a centrist) and socialist because they are so far to the right that in their heads it looks that way. If you want to see a leftist president then elect Bernie Sanders or Dennis Kucinich



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User currently offlineTOMMY767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 11
Reply 19, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2270 times:

I'm just curious -- what is it about Santorum do people find good. He's TERRIBLE and has no chance of beating Obama.

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 5):

This may fall on deaf ears, but for those think Obama is the worst thing ever, try and be a bit more objective... he's probably not as bad as you think.

He's pretty horrible actually. After he took away those 5th amendment rights silently on JAN 01 (to which the media didn't report on because they wanted to protect their savior). Any republican has my vote over him.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 9):
And I'm SO terribly sorry, but...

Ugh so smug. I want to punch him in the face  



"Folks that's the news and I'm outta here!" -- Dennis Miller
User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6579 posts, RR: 24
Reply 20, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2227 times:

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 19):
After he took away those 5th amendment rights silently on JAN 01 (to which the media didn't report on because they wanted to protect their savior). Any republican has my vote over him.

You realize virtually all the Republicans will do the same and more.

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 19):
I'm just curious -- what is it about Santorum do people find good.

He plays the role that those on the far right want him to play. He's an extreme social conservative and he pretends that he wants less government. Of course, when he was in Congress he seemed to have no problem guzzling down Federal pork like there was no tomorrow. But that is the hypocrisy of most conservatives these days.


User currently offlineTOMMY767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 11
Reply 21, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2194 times:

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 20):

You realize virtually all the Republicans will do the same and more.

Only Romney said he would have done the same. Santorum, Gingrich, and Paul disagreed with Obama's stance.



"Folks that's the news and I'm outta here!" -- Dennis Miller
User currently offlineCASINTEREST From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4485 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2174 times:

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 21):
Only Romney said he would have done the same. Santorum, Gingrich, and Paul disagreed with Obama's stance.

Just don't vote.
The Bill was passed by the senate and House. All the parties agreed on in.



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User currently offlineDeltaMD90 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 7832 posts, RR: 52
Reply 23, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2166 times:

Quoting Airstud (Reply 15):
I've thought about founding something like the Secular Conservative Party. I'm all in favor of lower taxes, free markets, law and order, and states' rights.

It's called the Libertarian Party, and they are the largest third party I believe. Gary Johnson (loved by many) is trying to get the LP's nomination. I'd check him out: http://www.garyjohnson2012.com/

You know those Republicans that could care less about social issues, and the Democrats that think the Republicans are religious fanatics but agree with much of the Republican's fiscal policy? Well these people are more or less Libertarians, and they make up a surprisingly large chunk of the population. Unfortunately, the 2 party system that has a hold on us pretty much forces everyone into one party or another. That's why I hope the Libertarian party does well, but of course, it won't because so many Republicans think that Satan will rise if Obama gets reelected. Oh well, at least consider the LP...

Quoting Centre (Reply 16):
Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 5):
prepare for a second term for Obama.

And what's wrong with that?

  Isn't that obvious? I mean if you're left leaning, nothing. If you're right leaning, then it's having a candidate you don't like being elected again. Go back to 2004, did you want GWB reelected? That's how the right feels about Obama in 2012.

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 21):
Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 20):

You realize virtually all the Republicans will do the same and more.

Only Romney said he would have done the same. Santorum, Gingrich, and Paul disagreed with Obama's stance.

I'd like to see a source on that. I mean, I'm sure they had differences, but I'd see Santorum, Newt, and Mitt doing something very similar. I mean these guys are the ones that seem so gung ho about taking out Iran, and unlike Obama who at least campaigned to shut down Gitmo, end the wars, and repeal the Patriot Act, these 3 openly support them.

Only Paul and Gary Johnson would end these (or try to get Congress to.) Many say that would make America less safe... I agree that it would IF we continue our foreign policy the way it is. Our foreign policy, it creates terrorism which in turn requires us to have the Patriot Act and body scanners at all, but remove the causes of terrorism and you can in turn remove the reactionary measures to terrorism...



Ironically I have never flown a Delta MD-90 :)
User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19415 posts, RR: 58
Reply 24, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2146 times:

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 19):
He's pretty horrible actually. After he took away those 5th amendment rights silently on JAN 01 (to which the media didn't report on because they wanted to protect their savior). Any republican has my vote over him.

Um... if the media didn't report on it, then why did we all hear about it?

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 23):
t's called the Libertarian Party, and they are the largest third party I believe.

Libertarians are not really Conservative. It's something entirely different. Libertarianism, at least the version espoused by the Libertarian party, borders on all-out anarchy with roads and police. To put it in perspective, the Libertarian party would like to abolish the FAA and leave it to the free market.

I can see the ads now: "Come fly United! We've only had three mid-air collisions this year!"  

As I've heard it described: "Libertarians are really just rich people who want roads and cops to help them protect their riches."


25 DeltaMD90 : I suppose you have a point. Still 100x better than what we have now IMO. Both parties have kinda merged into a big-government conglomerate, it's a me
26 NoUFO : Sorry, but what did Obama do in January 01? At that time G.W. Bush was President elect and Bill Clinton still in office.
27 Post contains images aloges : not IN January 2001, but ON January 1st - American date format
28 DeltaMD90 : 1 Jan 2012 -- NDAA
29 727LOVER : VERY intelligent post, thank you. I did not like the W years, but hey, I survived......if Oblablah wins, you will too ! OBLABLAH 2012, baby !
30 NoUFO : Gagh, he wrote *on" January 01. Sorry and thanks, I am tired and it shows.
31 PHLBOS : What DATE on Jan. 2001 did this happen? Prior to Jan. 20, 2001; President Clinton was still in office
32 DeltaMD90 : It wasn't in 2001. The poster meant the 1st of January (of this year) and is talking about the NDAA. Jan 1st 2012 = Obama in office
33 DocLightning : It's very easy for them to say so, except Gingrich also said that he would ignore the courts on issues he didn't like, including decisions relating t
34 Post contains images StarAC17 : Had he vetoed it it would have gone back to congress and probably obtained veto proof majorities (if it didn't have those already) making the veto mo
35 Post contains images Mir : Yuck. Santorum surges just make a real mess of things. What's more telling is the low turnout. That doesn't bode well for the general election. The o
36 Post contains images DocLightning : Well, duh. He has principles. Thus, he will never get elected.
37 DocLightning : The trouble is that nowhere does the Constitution actually say that the President (or Congress) has to do what the Judiciary say. It is by tradition
38 ouboy79 : So anyway. Yes it was a good "show" for Santorum...but in the grand scheme it was about as meaningful as a Republican winning Oklahoma in November. Mi
39 DocLightning : You're correct. But you have to admit that this is starting to run more like a reality TV show than a major national party primary. As AKiss said on
40 TOMMY767 : Obama has never been able to wrangle up congress for any cause. The polarization of big government continues. He could have vetoed it, he should have
41 Post contains links Mir : Well, The Donald (TM) has weighed in on Santorum: http://youtu.be/1HUSKGz9CHc Of course, he picks one of the least objectionable things about Santorum
42 DocLightning : It's easy to say what you would have done when you're campaigning. It's another thing to do it when you're the President.
43 Post contains links DeltaMD90 : The more and more I hear Santorum speak, the more liberal I become. Look at this latest article: http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/n...pad-you-dont-n
44 zippyjet : I've heard rumors that Santorum has/had Mob ties. Isn't it the GOP way of operating? Sometimes I feel the GOP covertly models itsrelf after the Talib
45 Superfly : So DON'T piss him off! Donald Trump shares my thoughts exactly! That is what I thought when he first declared his candidacy. There really is no reaso
46 NoUFO : Reading The Dark Side by Jane Mayer has the potential to trigger the thought that the G.W. Bush administration tried to do exactly that as far as dea
47 Mir : He missed out on the fact that it's $900 per month. I'll agree with him that if you can afford to buy yourself a new iPad every month, you should pro
48 DeltaMD90 : Well not to defend the candidate I like the least, but I thought that when he was booted out, PA as a whole booted out a LOT of Republicans... it was
49 Dreadnought : Rick! Rick! He’s our man! If he can’t do it…….oh, crap.
50 DocLightning : No, the more DEMOCRAT you become, because the Democrats may have some stupid ideas, but not nearly this stupid. You cannot call the GOP "Right-Wing"
51 Centre : The fall of Rome. It always happen from within. Luckily, there is History that we can read, understand and relate to. Now adays, there is never too l
52 Dreadnought : Agreed, which is why the GOP does not adopt ANY of the positions you describe. It's hard to debate with someone who is so detached from reality as to
53 mt99 : Is that worse than "Obama the Muslim", Obama the Socialist", "Obama the Communist" . "Obama the Kenyan", "Obama the Indonesian." Do you remember the
54 Dreadnought : Congrats, you just placed yourself on the same level as the Birthers by your own admission. Have a nice day.
55 Post contains images mt99 : Not sure how you end up at that conclusion.but - as the kids say "Whatevs,",.. Funny how you only single out Birtheres (which include Donald Trump -
56 CASINTEREST : Wow, Not sure what I missed, but to throw out that kind of statement, you either aren't reading his post, or you are trying to prove Doc's point is c
57 zckls04 : I love that description, but I'm not so sure about it being a recent phenomenon. I wasn't old enough to follow politics greatly 20 years ago, but thi
58 DocLightning : Really? Have you not read their national platform lately? Have you not see their behavior lately? Sometimes I wonder if you live in a parallel univer
59 Post contains links Dreadnought : http://whitehouse12.com/republican-party-platform/ I read it, and while I don't agree with the whole thing, I don't see the stuff you are wound up abo
60 FlyPNS1 : Except the advanced air-bag system also applies to small adults, so if you've got a petite little girlfriend/wife/mistress during your mid-life crisi
61 CASINTEREST : So you believe people are not honest, and therefore Governement must regulate them . You are making a great argument for business regulations and gov
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