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User currently offlinemham001 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3688 posts, RR: 3
Posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2275 times:

Tesla unveiled its crossover yesterday, the Model X. It has some very impressive numbers as well as some interesting design features. Built on an extended Model S frame, they say it will be offered with 2 battery options with the range of the larger pack at ~280 miles. Seats 7, has 2 trunks, the front is cavernous as there is no motor in the usual spot. 0-60 in 4.4 seconds, the base motor will be 300hp with a second 150hp as an option. No torque figures have been released, although that should be easily computed. All wheel drive can be had with that second motor. Recharge time of 4 hours. Elon Musk says the turning radius is the same as a Mini Cooper. Price will range from ~$57k-90k.



More space than a minivan. Quicker than a Porsche 911 Carerra. The functionality of a minivan and the performance of a sports car. What could go wrong?

Well, some might say the practicality of the one feature most people will grasp, the swing-up doors.


How that will play out in snow country remains to be seen.

Another issue is price. Tesla opined that they would bring a car for the masses. $60+K does not exactly fit that category.

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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21730 posts, RR: 55
Reply 1, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2269 times:

Quoting mham001 (Thread starter):
What could go wrong?

Perhaps this:

Quoting mham001 (Thread starter):
with the range of the larger pack at ~280 miles.

And how long is it going to take to recharge that? If it's anything over fifteen minutes, I don't really see the point.

-Mir



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User currently offlinemham001 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3688 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2267 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 1):
And how long is it going to take to recharge that? If it's anything over fifteen minutes, I don't really see the point.

4 hours to fully recharge. I suppose that fails it, because everybody drives 281 miles a day.


User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21730 posts, RR: 55
Reply 3, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2262 times:

Quoting mham001 (Reply 2):
because everybody drives 281 miles a day.

If I were going to spend that much money on a car of that type (i.e. one that can hold a lot of stuff), I'd want to use it on a road trip or two.

-Mir



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User currently offlineALTF4 From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 1214 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2242 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 3):
If I were going to spend that much money on a car of that type (i.e. one that can hold a lot of stuff), I'd want to use it on a road trip or two.

On the other hand, if I had the money to spend on a car of that type, I'd just rent another car when I have to drive more than 300 miles in a day.

Granted, I don't have money to spend on a car like that, so I'm not going to.



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User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2434 posts, RR: 24
Reply 5, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2229 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 3):
If I were going to spend that much money on a car of that type (i.e. one that can hold a lot of stuff), I'd want to use it on a road trip or two.

At least in Denmark, it makes good sense to buy an electric vehicle since it is almost tax free, and there is free parking in the city. Normal tax on a car is 180% of its original value and then you also have to pay for the car itself of course. . So go figure  

[Edited 2012-02-10 13:16:36]

User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21730 posts, RR: 55
Reply 6, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2222 times:

Quoting ALTF4 (Reply 4):
On the other hand, if I had the money to spend on a car of that type, I'd just rent another car when I have to drive more than 300 miles in a day.

But then you couldn't show it off to your buddies.

Electric cars are going to be great someday. But they need to get past the time-to-charge barrier first - until they do that, I can't see them being anything other than novelty pieces.

-Mir



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User currently offlineALTF4 From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 1214 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2215 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 6):
But then you couldn't show it off to your buddies.

Are you implying I'm such a hill-billy that I don't have friends within a 300 mile radius of me?  
Quoting Mir (Reply 6):
Electric cars are going to be great someday. But they need to get past the time-to-charge barrier first - until they do that, I can't see them being anything other than novelty pieces.

Spot on.



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User currently offlineswissy From Switzerland, joined Jan 2005, 1734 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2208 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 6):
Electric cars are going to be great someday. But they need to get past the time-to-charge barrier first - until they do that, I can't see them being anything other than novelty pieces.

Agree, do like the looks and I do hope that car will be reality. For us it could work just fine since we have 2 cars and 99% of the time only one is being used  

Cheerios,


User currently offlinecanoecarrier From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2842 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2203 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 3):
If I were going to spend that much money on a car of that type (i.e. one that can hold a lot of stuff), I'd want to use it on a road trip or two.

You're point below is valid, no doubt, but charging stations are getting more and more convenient in places like Seattle or even across WA state in general. That said, very few vehicle trips are made over that distance. The last time I took a trip with a 1 way distance over 200 miles was last July. From Seattle I could drive to Vancouver, BC or Portland with that range. It basically has a full tank of gas range, and how many people go on a trip frequently enough to burn an entire tank of gas?

Quoting Mir (Reply 6):

Electric cars are going to be great someday. But they need to get past the time-to-charge barrier first - until they do that, I can't see them being anything other than novelty pieces.

At $57-90K/vehicle I'd guess people buying this would have another car that looks just as nice. Off topic I know, but do all new electric cars have to have noise generators on them now?



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User currently offline2H4 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8956 posts, RR: 60
Reply 10, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2196 times:
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Quoting canoecarrier (Reply 9):
It basically has a full tank of gas range, and how many people go on a trip frequently enough to burn an entire tank of gas?

Agreed. I think it's another case of people wanting certain functionality because they might use it someday. 4-wheel-drive is similar...many people refuse to live without it because they might need it 2 or 3 times per year. To them, being prepared for those two or three potential trips is worth dealing with inferior fuel economy for the rest of the year, and more expensive maintenance over the lifetime of the vehicle.

In the case of electric vehicles like this one, some people will use similar logic and will opt for a less efficient vehicle that is otherwise identical. They might want to go on 2 or 3 longer trips every year, so they'll sacrifice fuel economy for the other 99% of their driving to accommodate those trips.



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User currently offlinefrancoflier From France, joined exactly 13 years ago today! , 3790 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2191 times:

It looks awfully like a Citroen DS5...




And it looks nice, but it's a bit pricey for a city car.
You could save yourself 30K and buy yourself a luxury compact.
30K buys you a lot of gas...



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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15795 posts, RR: 27
Reply 12, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2176 times:

Quoting francoflier (Reply 11):
30K buys you a lot of gas...

And there is a big, big issue for all the electric cars.

Assume you could buy a Model X for $80k. A BMW X5 diesel can be had for $60k and the savings will buy enough $4.00 per gallon fuel to go about 100,000 miles.

A Mercedes ML diesel does even better. You could get one of those for about $55k, and the savings could take you up to 130,000 miles.

Of course, maybe performance matters too. In which case that $80k could buy you a nice sports car or sports sedan and an SUV.



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User currently offlinecanoecarrier From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2842 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2147 times:

Quoting francoflier (Reply 11):
And it looks nice, but it's a bit pricey for a city car.
You could save yourself 30K and buy yourself a luxury compact.

Why would someone looking to buy a CUV with three row seating for 7 buy a luxury compact instead?



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User currently offlinecmf From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2130 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 6):
Electric cars are going to be great someday. But they need to get past the time-to-charge barrier first - until they do that, I can't see them being anything other than novelty pieces.

The most realistic solution I've seen is where they standardized batteries and made them easily switchable. They had it setup so a robot did the job and it would take one or two minutes so essentially like filling up today.

I think this is a beautiful solution but can't see OEMs be able to agree on a standard so think it is doomed.

The other option is to accept that most days we drive well below a full charge and for those days we need more distance rent a different car.


User currently offlineFly2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2089 times:

Quoting mham001 (Thread starter):
Recharge time of 4 hours.

That sounds ridiculously optimistic. That can't possibly be from a fully discharged state. No way. Many laptops take longer to charge than that.

What's your source? I searched over 10 articles on the car already and checked the official website and can't find a single mention about charge times.

Quoting mham001 (Thread starter):
What could go wrong?

I bet it weighs like a tank. Those batteries ain't light. Sure it may be fast in a straight but I bet it's a hog on the curves. Top Gear clearly showed how the roadster's heavy weight ruined the once epic handling the original platform had, which is borrowed from the Lotus Elise...

http://www.topgear.com/uk/videos/electric-shocker


User currently offlinefrancoflier From France, joined exactly 13 years ago today! , 3790 posts, RR: 11
Reply 16, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2046 times:

Quoting canoecarrier (Reply 13):
Why would someone looking to buy a CUV with three row seating for 7 buy a luxury compact instead?

Why would someone buy a luxury CUV with 3 rows seating for 7 that can't go outside of town?

I'm sure even posh soccer moms do cross country trips once in a while...

But fine, even if in that case, you could still go for a 'standard' compact-ute and still get enough change to buy you years worth of gas...



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User currently offlinemham001 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3688 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1995 times:

A little too much is being made of the mileage. Let's say I need to drive SJ-LA. 5+ hours, just over 300 miles. I do it 3-4 times a year but rarely will I do it all at one time. There is generally always a food break. 1 hour will charge approximately 62 more miles. More than enough to get to LA and pushing the limits of what I want to drive in a day anyway.

That said, those mileage numbers Tesla gives are at 55 mph. I don't know what relevance that has, I could not drive I-5 at 55. Nor do they talk about weight in the car for that mileage. Realistically, my trip to LA would need a longer break in the plan.

Quoting Fly2HMO (Reply 15):
That sounds ridiculously optimistic. That can't possibly be from a fully discharged state. No way. Many laptops take longer to charge than that.

What's your source? I searched over 10 articles on the car already and checked the official website and can't find a single mention about charge times.
http://www.teslamotors.com/models/facts and several magazine articles. Tesla website says 62 miles worth of charge time per hour.

Quoting Fly2HMO (Reply 15):
I bet it weighs like a tank. Those batteries ain't light. Sure it may be fast in a straight but I bet it's a hog on the curves. Top Gear clearly showed how the roadster's heavy weight ruined the once epic handling the original platform had, which is borrowed from the Lotus Elise...

It may not be as heavy as you think, remember there is no ICE and no transmission. I thought I saw something about 4,200 lbs.
The day I believe Top Gear's entertainment as a true representation of a car is the day I need to check in to a mental hospital. They have their agenda.


User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7592 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1982 times:

Quoting mham001 (Thread starter):
they say it will be offered with 2 battery options with the range of the larger pack at ~280 miles.

Big fail that would get me to the next town over from where I live but I'd then have to wait around for it too recharge before I come home again, until an electric vehicle can give me a 500 mile range it's going to be next to useless.

Quoting mham001 (Reply 2):
4 hours to fully recharge. I suppose that fails it, because everybody drives 281 miles a day.

Some live a long way from anywhere, so yup I can easily drive 280 miles in a day if I need to. I also take my family on car holidays and have been known to tow things from time to time, what would the range be towing a 3500kg boat, bugger all I'm sure.


User currently offlinecanoecarrier From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2842 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1966 times:

Quoting francoflier (Reply 16):
Why would someone buy a luxury CUV with 3 rows seating for 7 that can't go outside of town?

If the range they are advertising is correct at around 450 km on a full charge then I don't see why you are arguing that they are selling a vehicle that can't get outside of town. The majority of vehicle trips are within town anyway.

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 18):
Some live a long way from anywhere, so yup I can easily drive 280 miles in a day if I need to. I also take my family on car holidays and have been known to tow things from time to time, what would the range be towing a 3500kg boat, bugger all I'm sure.

Then someone with these driving habits obviously aren't who they're marketing this vehicle to. I could go buy a F-350 with a tow package, but realistically I'm only going to use it a few times a year. The market they're trying to market too is someone who would buy a Porsche Cayenne not a F-350.



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User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7592 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1949 times:

Quoting canoecarrier (Reply 19):
The market they're trying to market too is someone who would buy a Porsche Cayenne not a F-350.

So people who buy Cayennes (hopefully me in the next couple of years) don't go on long drives or tow. Our next family vehicle (according to my wife) will be one of the following an X5/Cayenne/Q7/M Class/Touareg/Discovery or RR Sport, it needs to be able to tow a 2000kg boat, be able to get from where I live to Oslo (580km) in a day, it's then got to be able to get me, the family, and maybe the boat from Oslo to the Mediterranean coast in two days, my demands aren't high, they aren't much different form many others, I can't see the Model X getting close to being able to do what I want done. The Model X is a great big city car, it's not for someone who wants a Cayenne or similar.


User currently offlinemham001 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3688 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1920 times:

Quoting francoflier (Reply 16):
Why would someone buy a luxury CUV with 3 rows seating for 7 that can't go outside of town?

The very same people who use SUV/CUV 4x4s as grocery haulers with the intent of maybe someday driving to Tahoe. Thinking about it, this is the size in which there is to be had the highest percentage of fuel savings. Exactly the size vehicle we need to wean off oil first.


User currently offlineACDC8 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 7643 posts, RR: 35
Reply 22, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 1909 times:

Quoting ALTF4 (Reply 4):
On the other hand, if I had the money to spend on a car of that type, I'd just rent another car when I have to drive more than 300 miles in a day.

If you're gonna spend that kind of money on a car, one had better not have to rent a car for a roadtrip or weekend getaway. Sorry, but its one thing to spend $15-$20K on a small, fuel effecient car to get around town on a day to day basis but to spend 3 - 5 times that on a car that can't even get you to the cottage and back without a 4 hour re-charging break is just plain useless. If I'm gonna put that kind of coin down for a vehicle, I intend to drive it everywhere and not spend even more money at Budget and wait to see what I end up with.



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User currently offlineKingairTA From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 458 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1900 times:

How much range is lost running ac or heat? Where are you going to charge it when you get where your going? If you do find a place will it be 110 or 220.

Novelty is all it is.

Now if they can come up with something similar to the Volt for a price comparable to a competitive conventionally powered car then they'll have something.


User currently offlinefrancoflier From France, joined exactly 13 years ago today! , 3790 posts, RR: 11
Reply 24, posted (2 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1898 times:

Quoting mham001 (Reply 21):
The very same people who use SUV/CUV 4x4s as grocery haulers with the intent of maybe someday driving to Tahoe.

But will they buy this thing knowing that they can't drive to Tahoe, regardless of whether they do or not?

Quoting canoecarrier (Reply 19):
If the range they are advertising is correct at around 450 km on a full charge then I don't see why you are arguing that they are selling a vehicle that can't get outside of town.

I just drove 450Km the other day on an 'errand' I had to run.
The city I drove to was 200Km away, plus the running around in the city, and boom, 450Km.
It was under 20 deg F that day so I had the heater on full blast the whole way, which is not a problem in a gas engine but would be a huge drain on a battery if I'd had to use an electric heater.

At the end of the day, I would have been stuck somewhere on the highway 50 klicks from home.

I'm not saying you can't get out of town, but you certainly can't go far away from it, and you'd better plan ahead if you do.

I'm not against electric cars, especially for driving around town, but let's face the facts: they're still far from practical when outside of it.
There might be a day when you can do a full recharge in minutes at any station across the country and drive over 300 miles on a charge with full climate control, but until then gas will reign king for better or worse.



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25 canoecarrier : I'm not debating that this vehicle is going to be everything for everyone, but if you have enough money to spend on a $100K car with room for 7 and 3
26 ACDC8 : So here's a question ... if you have a car that can go from 0-60 in 4.4 seconds, you're obviously burning a lot more fuel than you would if you would
27 BMI727 : Not even a compact one. You could buy a luxury SUV and still have tons of cash left for gas. ...because every Denny's has an outlet in the parking lo
28 KiwiRob : This vehicle would probably be a success if it had a range extending fuel cell, the pure electric vehicle is only useful as a city runabout, which thi
29 Post contains links canoecarrier : Yes you are, because you said this: Every argument I've seen so far in this thread goes completely against the real world driving habits of people. Y
30 Post contains images swissy : Like I said already.... it would work in our case because we can flip the car if one of us has to drive excessively... no problem to install a 240v o
31 KiwiRob : Why is it a hypothetical need, it's not, a lot of the people I work with jump into there cars on a friday afternoon and drive anywhere up to 400km to
32 Post contains images swissy : I would say it is the ignorance of the majority of people not willing to accept Model X would work in most cases but hey it runs on electric (agree,
33 KiwiRob : That's it problem it's expensive and can't do what the vehicles it competes against can. Very very expensive in Norway, well over 1 million NOK for t
34 Post contains images swissy : Holly cr... what if you received a GL as a "gift" lets say from Canada payed by an anonymous person named KiwiRob cheerios,
35 Post contains images cmf : Who is forcing it on anyone? Don't want it, don't buy it. That simple. But are the people who want it allowed to buy it without being told it can't d
36 prebennorholm : A while ago a test of electric cars was made here in Denmark. A few cars were put in the hands of "ordinary people" who commuted some 25km back and fo
37 BMI727 : Except that the government subsidizes these things and raises CAFE standards and gas guzzler taxes. Where's my tax credit?
38 cmf : Why should you get a tax credit for using old technology? Why should we not invest in alternatives?
39 BMI727 : Why should they get a tax credit for using new technology? If by "we" you mean car companies, they absolutely should since there is a lot of money to
40 cmf : You forgot to answer why you should get a tax credit for using old technology. As to why new technology should get it. Because it is good for the cou
41 Mir : Because it's worth encouraging investment in. -Mir
42 Post contains images BMI727 : Well, they get one for buying a car, I should get one for buying a car. If the technology is really worthwhile, private entities will have no trouble
43 KiwiRob : Luckily for you Denmark doesn't have any hills, it's flatter than Texas. With winter running increasing battery drain you'll probably have to plug it
44 canoecarrier : Where to start.... I can't disagree with this point. I'm not going to be the first to go run out and buy an electric car, but if a company comes along
45 Post contains links mham001 : Actually, they could make it to Tahoe from SF, it is a major destination option for ~5 million people. No, it is my problem too because I am subsidiz
46 flanker : There it is : $60,0000 for a 4 hour recharge at 280miles. Throw it in the garbage and start again.
47 flanker : Spot on bud!
48 cmf : Because it is not given for buying a car. It is given to incentivise the alternatives that are good on a macroeconomic level. LOL. You make the mista
49 francoflier : Tahoe is about 200 Miles from downtown SF, which means you'd have to leave it there for a charge for a few hours before attempting to go back. Exactl
50 BMI727 : The government is actively and blatantly attempting to influence my buying decisions, and I don't appreciate it. No, you're not. There is nothing sto
51 cmf : As long as you take care of all side effects from using that oil, sure. But you not doing that. Actually it is. Don't try to make this in to some pol
52 BMI727 : I swipe my card at the pump, like everybody else. That's all I care about, but that doesn't mean I won't fight government attempts to manipulate me.
53 cmf : No it isn't. But the extremest on both sides try to make it all black and white like that. For the rest of us it is about attacking problems smartly.
54 BMI727 : Good. Then car companies can attack problems smartly with their own money. If they aren't willing to put their own money into it, how sound of an inv
55 Post contains images stasisLAX : Honda called - they said that they want their Crosstour's ass-end back
56 cmf : Consent is given at elections. If you don't like the result you're free to move.
57 BMI727 : How can people not have a problem with these subsideies? Companies are basically saying "we don't feel comfortable putting our money into it, but we'
58 cmf : Because they understand a good deal when they see one. They understand that society gets much more back than what they invest. Your characterisation
59 BMI727 : If it's a good deal, I'll make it myself. Or hire a fund manager to do it. It isn't something for the government to be doing. Not at all. They don't
60 cmf : Good luck in finding a society that work the way you want. The rest of us enjoy the benefits of working together.
61 KiwiRob : I've never seen a Tesla in any Scandinavian country, it doesn't mean there isn't the odd one or two here but I don't see it as a main market, I also
62 AirPacific747 : I saw at least 10 Tesla Roadsters the last time I was in Oslo.
63 Post contains images KiwiRob : You're probably confusing them with Elises. Anyway now that it's been decided you could get from LA or San Fran to Tahoe for a days skiing, charge he
64 francoflier : I hope they're not electrically powered...
65 AirPacific747 : Nope. Many of them were parked down close to the harbour. There are also a few (2-3) close to where my parents live in Denmark.
66 KiwiRob : According to a customer of mine who ownes an SLS these doors have a couple of big disadvantages over conventional doors, you get a hell of a lot wett
67 dazbo5 : The SLS has a ballistic release mechanism that blows the hinges off if you roll it and and it ends up on it's roof. I'd rather just have conventional
68 Post contains links Aesma : Better Place : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Better_Place It depends on the plug you got. If you have something like tri-phase 440V, it's quicker. Lig
69 KiwiRob : He rolled it, I'm just repeating what he told me. He had to get out the front window.
70 canoecarrier : As recently as 10 years ago you could deduct up to $100K for the purchase of a heavy vehicle like a Hummer or Escalade, in 2007 that deduction was st
71 flanker : AHHAHAHHHAAHA ... omg what a shitbox.. Good luck when you roll it. Charging at least 60K for this POS They should have at least put blast charges lik
72 KiwiRob : see email below
73 dazbo5 : That's rather worrying then; "Safety specifications were revealed pertaining to the safety of the SLS AMG's gullwing doors. Ten to fifteen millisecon
74 flanker : See dazbo5's post :P
75 Fly2HMO : IF and only IF you have a 20 Kwh outlet available in your home. That's way more than many home HVACs need. So, in real life, my point stands, unless y
76 BMI727 : Actually the Tesla looks a lot more like an Evora than the Elise it was based on. They have explosive bolts to release the doors if the car ends up o
77 Post contains images francoflier : Interesting. I am not an avid follower of electric motor technology for cars, but I didn't know they had started using watercooled motors. Still, due
78 cmf : Homes in America. Most have only one phase split in two legs for 240V or more commonly 120V (called 110V) when one leg is connected to neutral.
79 Aesma : He was being funny, we don't have that at home either (but 220/230V is standard and already much better than 120/115/110). The idea of quick charging
80 cmf : Most homes in Europe have three phases being delivered to them. Using a three phase connector you get a steadier flow of electricity and can charge b
81 canoecarrier : I don't have a problem with the way CAFE' standards penalize those cars. Someone buying most of the cars that those additional taxes are applied too
82 BMI727 : So now it's a "they can afford it, so we'll take their money" tax? Isn't that missing the point completely? Why not just levy a luxury tax on cars ov
83 canoecarrier : I get that you don't like the perception that the government is influencing your purchases. But, in this case cars are basically small, portable powe
84 BMI727 : CAFE is not emissions standards, it's fuel economy standards. Not only should they be available to buy, people should not be punished for buying one.
85 mham001 : Well, yea. That is the whole point of going to Tahoe. Skiing, gambling.. That depends. Charging points are popping up all over here. Oh crap. True co
86 Post contains links mham001 : Tesla has announced a few sales numbers..... From the time the electric crossover was driven out on stage at Tesla Design Studios late Thursday night/
87 canoecarrier : Although technically I misspoke, CAFE standards are in fact regulation of emissions. The CAFE testing done by the EPA to measure fuel economy is done
88 mham001 : The only people who consider(ed) the Leaf a failure were those hoping for failure. In today's news..... Tesla reported fourth quarter and full year e
89 na : Get the Touareg, its the best in the group. The RR Sport is also nice, but much smaller inside, so I dont know if its right for you. On the other han
90 Aesma : I've never ever seen a Cayenne pulling anything, by the way.
91 Post contains images swissy : you mean like 95% of all the others... cheerios,
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