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Fiat/Chrysler To Relaunch Alfa Romeo In 2014 In US  
User currently offlinestasisLAX From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3280 posts, RR: 6
Posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2717 times:

Fiat is set to re-launch the Alfa Romeo brand into the U.S. market at the 2014 Detroit auto show.

2014 Alfa Romeo 4C sports car (concept)


Alfa Romeo’s re-launch in America will be led by the Alfa "4C" sports car. Based on the concept car of the same name, the 4C will be shown in Detroit with a 230 horsepower version of Fiat’s turbocharged 1.8L four-cylinder engine and a dual-clutch semi-automatic gearbox.

Alfa’s product offerings following the 4C is unknown, but the auto press rumor mill says to bet on a compact Alfa SUV and "flagship" sports sedan are the most likely to follow the 4C to market.

Source: http://www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsArticle/AllCars/261257/


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User currently offlinepoLOT From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 2129 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2714 times:

Now lets see if they actually stick to this launch...

User currently offlineFly2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2711 times:

Ill believe it when I see it.

But dang I can't wait to get my dirty hands on a 4C.   


User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15719 posts, RR: 26
Reply 3, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2689 times:

Quoting Fly2HMO (Reply 2):
But dang I can't wait to get my dirty hands on a 4C.

No kidding. It's like a Lotus Elise, but an Alfa. What could be better?

Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter):
Alfa’s product offerings following the 4C is unknown, but the auto press rumor mill says to bet on a compact Alfa SUV and "flagship" sports sedan are the most likely to follow the 4C to market.

I think that they need to limit Chrysler to the 300 and above in terms of cars (please, please make the 200 go away), the Town and Country, and maybe bring back a full size SUV. Dodge should keep selling basic cars (Dart, Charger, Challenger, and maybe a new subcompact), their SUVs, and the Caravan. Alfa should be combined with Fiat dealers to market the 500, 4C, their compact luxury SUV, and more stylish, sporty, and well equipped small cars.



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User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8793 posts, RR: 24
Reply 4, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2677 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 3):

No kidding. It's like a Lotus Elise, but an Alfa. What could be better?

Hmmm. What could be better than An Alfa 4C?...

1. God
2. Oxygen
3. Chuck Norris

Wait. 1 and 3 are the same...

There you go. Scientifically proven, The 4C comes in at number 3 of the best things ever.



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User currently offlinedl021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11446 posts, RR: 76
Reply 5, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2602 times:
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Theyd bring it in sooner but they need to get their service and repair departments prepped for the expected influx of repair business.........

I will be be of their customers when this comes out.



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User currently offlineflanker From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1630 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2601 times:

Quoting dl021 (Reply 5):
Theyd bring it in sooner but they need to get their service and repair departments prepped for the expected influx of repair business.........

I will be be of their customers when this comes out.

LOLL!!! alfa for you..



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User currently onlinezckls04 From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 1264 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2596 times:

One word for this:

drool



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User currently offlineFly2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2590 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 3):
What could be better?

Coming home and having Alessandra Ambrosio, Mila Kunis, Olivia Wilde, and Eva Green all waiting for me in my bed, naked and ready to play 

Even if it handled half as good as an Elise, it would still be a damned good car.


User currently offlinesrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2546 times:

It was already a given that Alfa would end up over here once Fiat got involved with Chrysler. Fiat had prior to their investment in Chrysler was already laying the groundwork for a return of Alfa to the US market and those plans had been delayed several times in the past. IIRC, those original plans would have had them selling Alfas at dealers that were selling Maserati vehicles, but everything was shelved for the time being when Fiat invested in Chrysler.

Now where are the Alfas to be sold at? Will they do like they did with the Fiat and make them their own dealerships? Or will they put them within the current Chrysler/Dodge/Jeep/Ram dealer network (Maybe only allowing the top dealerships to sell them, similar to how the Sprinter was only sold by dealerships that had earned the [now defunct] Five Star ranking.) or perhaps they'll stick with their prior plans to sell them alongside Maseratis.

Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter):
Alfa’s product offerings following the 4C is unknown, but the auto press rumor mill says to bet on a compact Alfa SUV and "flagship" sports sedan are the most likely to follow the 4C to market.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Alfa SUV is based on the replacement for the Jeep Compass/Patriot.


User currently offlineB777LRF From Luxembourg, joined Nov 2008, 1308 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2494 times:

It's said, at least over this side of the pond, you can't lay claim to being a true petrolhead until you've owned an Alfa.

Mine was a 155 V6, and while it had an engine to die for and drove very, very nicely indeed, the design was a bit, how shall I put it, challenged. Of course the electrics where shyte, it corroded faster than an unprotected piece of iron dunked in the Mediterrean and the interior was assembled using only a shovel, but oh - the sound of that V6 will live with me forever.

I'll be camping at the door steps at the nearest Alfa dealer when the 4C hits the showroom. The wife can keep the BMW, she can even sell it and get the X5 she's so desperate for, don't care one little bit. I'll even ebay a testicle if that's what it takes  



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User currently offlineczbbflier From Canada, joined Jul 2006, 971 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2484 times:

It looks like a very sexy car- as Alfas tend to be. But... and this is a big but.... I wouldn't consider getting one for at least a couple of years. How will they hold up in North America? Canadian winters? My uncle used to tell me... when my Aunt wasn't around.... that Italian cars are like women... when they're hot, they're very hot. But when they're cold... they're very, very cold. He told me that when I was, like, 12. So I took it literally. Figuratively? I wouldn't know. I bat for the other team.

Quoting srbmod (Reply 9):
Now where are the Alfas to be sold at? Will they do like they did with the Fiat and make them their own dealerships? Or will they put them within the current Chrysler/Dodge/Jeep/Ram dealer network (Maybe only allowing the top dealerships to sell them, similar to how the Sprinter was only sold by dealerships that had earned the [now defunct] Five Star ranking.) or perhaps they'll stick with their prior plans to sell them alongside Maseratis.

As for dealerships... if they're going to roll them out at the specialized Fiat dealerships, they better do a better job of rolling them out. Vancouver's Fiat dealership has taken about a year to get rolling. They were being schlepped out of the regular Chrysler dealership and there was no cache there at all. In fact, the dealers had no idea what they were selling.

Sold in the Maserati dealerships? Too rare. They won't get the market reach.

Sold in the regular Chrysler dealerships? Too common. They won't get the brand value they deserve (and need... since they devalue so fast).


User currently offlinePyrex From Portugal, joined Aug 2005, 3948 posts, RR: 28
Reply 12, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2458 times:

Quoting B777LRF (Reply 10):
I'll be camping at the door steps at the nearest Alfa dealer when the 4C hits the showroom.

You and a lot of people, I bet... I wonder what the waiting list will look like (maybe it is already starting to fill up?)

I still maintain the Alfa Romeo 8C is the most beautiful car ever made, but this has to be probably close to being the second.



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User currently offlinebohica From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2671 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2452 times:

Quoting dl021 (Reply 5):
Theyd bring it in sooner but they need to get their service and repair departments prepped for the expected influx of repair business.........

They already exist...at your friendly neighborhood Chrysler dealer. Also the mechanics are jumping up and down with joy. They have job security.  


User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7143 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2436 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 3):
their compact luxury SUV

They don't have one of these at the moment.

Quoting B777LRF (Reply 10):
she can even sell it and get the X5 she's so desperate for

Your wife as well, mines wanting an X5 real bad, pity it's too small to fit 3 child seats, otherwise she'd probably have one now.


User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6537 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2427 times:

At last an RWD Alfa again, without going into 8C money/rarity. It will still be too expensive for my taste, I fear.


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User currently offlinesrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2424 times:

Quoting czbbflier (Reply 11):
As for dealerships... if they're going to roll them out at the specialized Fiat dealerships, they better do a better job of rolling them out. Vancouver's Fiat dealership has taken about a year to get rolling. They were being schlepped out of the regular Chrysler dealership and there was no cache there at all. In fact, the dealers had no idea what they were selling.

The two Fiat dealerships I've seen are remodeled dealership space that for a number of months had temporary signage and looked run down as they had yet to begin renovating the buildings. If Alfa is going to have their own separate dealerships, they better have them ready to go before the first cars are delivered.

Quoting czbbflier (Reply 11):
Sold in the Maserati dealerships? Too rare. They won't get the market reach.

The original plans several years back were to do as such. Every major city has at least one Maserati dealership (The one here sells Maseratis and Ferraris.).

Quoting czbbflier (Reply 11):
Sold in the regular Chrysler dealerships? Too common. They won't get the brand value they deserve (and need... since they devalue so fast).

Like I mentioned in my earlier post, you perhaps only allow the top Chrysler dealers to sell Alfas, essentially as a reward for being an elite dealer. They did this with the Sprinter, as only Five Star Dealers got to sell them.


User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15719 posts, RR: 26
Reply 17, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2391 times:

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 14):
They don't have one of these at the moment.

Considering that they won't be re-entering the US market until 2014, they have plenty of time to develop one. And that means a good one, not a rebadged Jeep.



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User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7143 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2376 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 17):
Considering that they won't be re-entering the US market until 2014, they have plenty of time to develop one. And that means a good one, not a rebadged Jeep.

You're kidding yourself if you think it takes two years to design and engineer a new vehicle, it's more like 4, 2 years means Fiat will be using a Jeep platform.


User currently offlineB777LRF From Luxembourg, joined Nov 2008, 1308 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2356 times:

Quoting Pyrex (Reply 12):
I still maintain the Alfa Romeo 8C is the most beautiful car ever made, but this has to be probably close to being the second.


That is a very hard position to disagree with, but I'd venture the proposition an Aston Martin DB9 would run very close - talking modern cars that is. I tried beating either by moving into classics, but nearly fried my brain trying to pick one, or even a top 10.

Still, here's a classic Alfa to drool over

http://i41.tinypic.com/35kldtj.jpg

[Edited 2012-02-16 11:14:35]


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User currently offlinesrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2328 times:

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 18):
You're kidding yourself if you think it takes two years to design and engineer a new vehicle, it's more like 4, 2 years means Fiat will be using a Jeep platform.

I know that there's been rumors in the past of an Alfa SUV based off of the Grand Cherokee (Probably unlikely with the introduction of the Maseratti Kubang, which is based off of the Grand Cherokee.), and there's been talk of the delayed Alfa Romeo 169 using the LX platform used by the Charger and 300C.

With the Patriot and Compass slated to be replaced in the next few years by a vehicle built on the CUSW platform (same platform used by the upcoming Dodge Dart), it's quite likely it will spawn a Fiat or Alfa sibling. Alfa did have their Kamal SUV concept about a decade ago that never got produced. I would not be surprised if this vehicle is a crossover style vehicle (echoing the trend of other auto makers shifting away from truck-based and styled vehicles).

The Liberty/Cherokee is slated for a refreshing in the near future as well (said to be built on a stretched version of the CUSW plaform) and if the Patriot/Compass replacement isn't used on a Alfa, this may be the likely candidate.

Whatever vehicle an Alfa SUV is based on will likely be a crossover design as the Liberty/Cherokee as it currently looks would not look the part.


User currently offlinedl021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11446 posts, RR: 76
Reply 21, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2327 times:
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Quoting bohica (Reply 13):
They already exist...at your friendly neighborhood Chrysler dealer. Also the mechanics are jumping up and down with joy. They have job security.

Well, the did complain a little when they were told they'd have to change their names to Tony.     



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User currently offlinestasisLAX From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3280 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2315 times:

Quoting srbmod (Reply 20):
The Liberty/Cherokee is slated for a refreshing in the near future as well (said to be built on a stretched version of the CUSW plaform) and if the Patriot/Compass replacement isn't used on a Alfa, this may be the likely candidate.

Both the Compass and Patriot will both be replaced with ONE new vehicle based on Fiat's CUSW compact crossover platform. This new Jeep will debut as a 2014 model, and will be built for global markets - as will all future Chrysler products as Fiat commands. Jeep's CEO said that this Compass/Patriot replacement will be available with both front-wheel drive and all-wheel drive.

The Liberty will get a replacement in 2013 as well. The Liberty evolve into a "crossover" vehicle and is scheduled to be built on a larger (a lengthen and wider Patriot platform according to press reports) version of the Compass/Patriot platform, called CUSW "Plus", and will be an all-wheel-drive-only vehicle. Finally, Fiat senior management also wants a top-of-the line larger Jeep model, like the Grand Wagoneer used to be. (we should try to forget about the awful (now defunct) Jeep Commander - I had one as a rental vehicle from Thrifty for a week in SLC - it handled like an aircraft carrier, and wasn't all that comfortable)



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User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10655 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2257 times:

Alfa, as a brand, is one of the most valued in the automotive market. Way higher than their real market position. Their credo of putting style, emotion, brio before anything else (anything else are the more boring car values) is unique aside from the luxury class. And thats why I´m an Alfista since 20 years.

Alfa, temporarily suffering from having the poorest model "line-up" in their history, is going to start a model offensive 2013-15.
Starting with the Giulietta Sportwagen,
followed by the fantastic 4C,
a SUV (not two as planned until last year, and if you ask me, Alfa is not and should not be a SUV brand as bulky car by definition cannot be an elegant, sporty Alfa),
then the much-anticipated Giulia (successor of the beautiful 159 which has just stopped production),
the equally over-due new Spider (hopefully based on the fantastic Pininfarina-prototype of 2010),
and possibly a new top-model based on the coming new small Maserati saloon (I think in Alfa-guise that car will even be more elegant than the Maserati, which styling will likely focus on power before than elegance).

The only fears I am having is that so many new models overwhelm the development department (they plan to do the work of ten years in half the time, having started 3 years ago), and that most of these cars will be comparatively more expensive than Alfas used to be. But I expect that it´ll be like always, the cars will be reasonably priced in the US, and we Europeans have to pay for it.


User currently offlinefalstaff From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 6075 posts, RR: 29
Reply 24, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2238 times:
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Quoting Fly2HMO (Reply 2):
Ill believe it when I see it.

I have been seeing Alfas on the streets of metro Detroit, with manufacturer plates. They appear to be production ready models, or close to it, so I have no doubt they will be for sale before too long.

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 18):
You're kidding yourself if you think it takes two years to design and engineer a new vehicle, it's more like 4, 2 years means Fiat will be using a Jeep platform.

I have heard, on Autoline Detroit, that the SUV will likely be built in Toledo.



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User currently offlinePolot From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 2129 posts, RR: 1
Reply 25, posted (2 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2244 times:

Quoting falstaff (Reply 24):
I have been seeing Alfas on the streets of metro Detroit, with manufacturer plates. They appear to be production ready models, or close to it, so I have no doubt they will be for sale before too long.

It is probably just testing for Chrysler, considering they are starting to use Alfa/Fiat platforms/engines. I don't think Alfa plans to launch in the US with any of their current cars. Who knows though, they have been claiming that their reentry into the US market is right around the corner for the better part of a decade now which continues to be push backed even with Fiat's significant ownership in Chrysler.


User currently offline747400sp From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3507 posts, RR: 2
Reply 26, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 1797 times:

I wonder is it going to be RWD or AWD?

User currently offlinestasisLAX From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3280 posts, RR: 6
Reply 27, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 1808 times:

Quoting 747400sp (Reply 26):
I wonder is it going to be RWD or AWD?

The 4C sports car is a rear-wheel drive, mid-engined vehicle. Very light weight (under 2000 lbs) and powered by a turbocharged 4 cylinder engine.

Source: http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1...meo-4c-production-to-start-in-2013



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User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10655 posts, RR: 9
Reply 28, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 1781 times:

A sweet, little estate car has been announced. Looking better than anything in its class, at least from the rear and side (I dont like Giuliettas front view though).

http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/b...-kommt-2013-als-kombi-4369342.html

Btw, how can I add a photo? The space on my profile is much to small. Or do all of you who post photos regularly take them from their profile page (cant believe that).


User currently offlineBraniff747SP From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 2967 posts, RR: 1
Reply 29, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 1744 times:

Quoting na (Reply 28):

A sweet, little estate car has been announced. Looking better than anything in its class, at least from the rear and side (I dont like Giuliettas front view though).

http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/b...-kommt-2013-als-kombi-4369342.html

Btw, how can I add a photo? The space on my profile is much to small. Or do all of you who post photos regularly take them from their profile page (cant believe that).

I post from www.ImageShack.us . Unlimited storage space; when you upload, they even give you the forum code. Works great.



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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15719 posts, RR: 26
Reply 30, posted (2 years 5 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1674 times:

Quoting na (Reply 28):
A sweet, little estate car has been announced. Looking better than anything in its class, at least from the rear and side (I dont like Giuliettas front view though).

Looks good to me. Such a car would be more than competitive with the Mini Clubman, Audi A3, and BMW 1 Series. I think that Alfa Romeo could carve out a very nice niche in athletic, stylish, smaller luxury cars while Chrysler can build larger luxury models.



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User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10655 posts, RR: 9
Reply 31, posted (2 years 5 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1605 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 30):
Looks good to me. Such a car would be more than competitive with the Mini Clubman, Audi A3, and BMW 1 Series. I think that Alfa Romeo could carve out a very nice niche in athletic, stylish, smaller luxury cars while Chrysler can build larger luxury models.

Be sure of overlapping. Alfa wont be the cheap partner to Chrysler, more to the contrary, even if many Alfas are small by US standards. Chrysler will be for Sedans and Estate cars midsize and big, cheap to upmarket, plus Vans and SUVs, and maybe an affordable convertible. Most things sporty, chic, light, technically more advanced will be Alfa. That does not exclude an SUV

A Maserati-based big Alfa sedan is being rumoured, especially with an eye on the US-market. It would be smaller than a Chrysler 300, but would beat it in anything else but size. The basis for this car will be the new "small" Maserati 4-door, the littel brother of the big Quattroporte. From its concept such an Alfa would be some kind of a Mercedes CLS competitor, but a bit more affordable. Designwise it would be the simplified sister to the more brute Maserati. More eleganza at the expense of a few dozen horsepower and inside glitz. Its meant to be the successor of the Alfa 166, whose production stopped in 2007. The 166 cost about 35.000 Euros base price in its last year. I doubt a Maserati-based big Alfa could be offered for less than 45.000, even with an Alfa-only Diesel engine.

I do think that there is a good chance that if the Italian´s plan works, we´ll see a true renaissance.


User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8793 posts, RR: 24
Reply 32, posted (2 years 5 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1588 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 30):
Looks good to me. Such a car would be more than competitive with the Mini Clubman, Audi A3, and BMW 1 Series. I think that Alfa Romeo could carve out a very nice niche in athletic, stylish, smaller luxury cars while Chrysler can build larger luxury models.

I like station-wagons (called Estates or Breaks in Europe). They are the perfect family car for the family that needs more space in the back for vacations, shopping trips etc.

But in the US (thanks to inept government regulations) we have gotten into SUVs. The station wagon in the US is pretty much dead, in spite of being able to do everything that the SUVs can do with less fuel consumption.



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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15719 posts, RR: 26
Reply 33, posted (2 years 5 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1587 times:

Quoting na (Reply 31):
Alfa wont be the cheap partner to Chrysler,

Not cheaper, just smaller and more sporty. The Chrysler 300 needs to move upmarket. Offer three engines - a powerful V6, the Hemi V8, and a more powerful SRT8. There is no way in hell the 300 should be on rental lots the way it is now.

Then Chrysler needs to bring in something bigger to compete with the European flagship sedans. Aiming at the Cadillac XTS would mean that they've already lost. Just make sure it isn't that ugly Imperial they showed a while back that looked like a Chinese knockoff of a Phantom.

Keep selling the T&C as long as it makes money and bring back a full size SUV to compete with Escalade and Navigator.

Quoting na (Reply 31):
From its concept such an Alfa would be some kind of a Mercedes CLS competitor, but a bit more affordable.

I don't think such a car would work as a Chrysler. That styling wouldn't work well with a low, curvy roofline. They'll be much better selling it as an Alfa and making it a sportier counterpart to the 300 but with a bit less power and luxury than the Maserati.

And one more thing: Alfa has to be connected with Fiat dealers and build onto that network. Piggybacking on Chrysler might be decent but not ideal, but if they intend to link Alfa Romeo with Maserati showrooms, they're probably sunk.



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User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10655 posts, RR: 9
Reply 34, posted (2 years 5 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1574 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 33):
The Chrysler 300 needs to move upmarket. Offer three engines - a powerful V6, the Hemi V8, and a more powerful SRT8. There is no way in hell the 300 should be on rental lots the way it is now.

The 300 is an aging model. Even the facelift cant deny its from 2003. Since then all European competitors have brought in completely new models. Sizewise its slightly above the E-Class, 5-series and A6, but below the S, 7-series or A8. From its price its against E-class. The next 300 will be 50/50 Chrysler/Lancia, with more European style and less bulk, otherwise it wont sell in Europe. And its needed latest by 2014. I had a look at the new Lancia Thema, as the current 300 is being sold here since a few weeks. Its got a lovely revamped and very luxurious interior, more classy than all the Germans I tell you, but from the outside its not up it, not "fine" enough, too brash, too bold and with an air of tackiness.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 33):
I don't think such a car would work as a Chrysler.

Not as a Chrysler. The new "small" Maserati will likely come as a new big Alfa, slightly below the 300 in size, above in technology and style, at a similar price.


User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15719 posts, RR: 26
Reply 35, posted (2 years 5 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 1553 times:

Quoting na (Reply 34):
Even the facelift cant deny its from 2003.

The platform is even older than that. It was a huge improvement when it was introduced, but it was already aging.

Quoting na (Reply 34):
From its price its against E-class.

The 300C never was priced similarly with the E-Class. The cheapest E-Class at the time cost in the mid $40k range and only the SRT8 approached that price point. Even a brand new SRT8 costs less than the cheapest E-Class today. The 300 did share a platform with the previous (at the time) Mercedes E-class. (W210).

The 300 may be more expensive in Europe, but in the US it is just barely a luxury car and is commonly found on rental car lots in its ultra cheap, plastic filled versions.

Quoting na (Reply 34):
The next 300 will be 50/50 Chrysler/Lancia, with more European style and less bulk, otherwise it wont sell in Europe.

That would be a colossal mistake. The 300C should remain a large, rear wheel drive, powerful, and quintessentially American car. Any concessions to the European market would serve to lessen its appeal to its core buyers. Frankly, Chrysler should put the bastardized Lancia/Chrysler in Europe out of its misery. In fact I think that the new version is not even offered with a V8 in Europe so they are in the position of trying to sell Europeans a big American car without a big American engine at a price comparable with European models which, quite frankly, are superior.

The next Chrysler 300, which should come sooner rather than later in my opinion, should probably be a bit smaller and lighter, but not because of European tastes. The 300 should be withdrawn from the European market and Lancia given their own or a shared model to replace the Thema.

Quoting na (Reply 34):
Not as a Chrysler.

That's exactly what I'm saying: it wouldn't work.

Quoting na (Reply 34):
The new "small" Maserati will likely come as a new big Alfa, slightly below the 300 in size, above in technology and style, at a similar price.

Only if the 300 goes up in price somewhat. As it is you'd be hard pressed to spend $50k on a 300C without going to the SRT8. And any Alfa bigger than a 300 is probably doomed anyway.



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