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Porsche Announces New Smaller SUV Named "Macan"  
User currently offlinestasisLAX From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3283 posts, RR: 6
Posted (2 years 8 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2303 times:

The new Porsche Macan will be slightly lower and shorter – but wider – than the Audi Q5, which reflects the fact they’ll share key underpinnings, much as the Porsche Cayenne has been a fraternal twin of the Volkswagen Touareg. All sytling will be distinct to the new Macan (Indonesian for "tiger") along with the larger, wider wheels and tires. The interior will also be unique to Porsche, with a Boxster inspired instrument panel, seats and steering wheel, among other premium touches.

2014 Porsche Macan




However, there will a large amount of component sharing with the Audi Q5, including the widened Audi-based platform, suspension, steering system and Audi's signature "Quattro" all-wheel-drive system to cut production costs, much as Porsche does with the Cayenne SUV and the VW Touraeg. But there should be distinctive Porsche touches, including lots of optional performance goodies not offered on the "garden-variety" Q5.

There are three powertrains under development, starting with the 3 liter V6 that will be standard equipment in international markets worldwide. This engine is expected to turn out 290 horsepower and 295 lb-ft of torque. A Cajun Turbo S is also reportedly coming, and will use twin turbos to produce approximately 350 horsepower. The third engine, a diesel, may also be sold in North American markets, according to various press reports.

The new offering will be produced at Porsche’s plant in Leipzig where Porsche has begun to prepare for the production launch by investing about $685 USD million in the plant – which already produces the Cayenne. No word on pricing as of yet, but given that the Q5 is priced at about $40000 USD, the Macan should be at least $45K-50K.

Source: http://www.autoweek.com/article/20120216/CARNEWS/120219914

[Edited 2012-02-16 21:36:16]

[Edited 2012-02-16 21:37:55]


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User currently offlinefrancoflier From France, joined Oct 2001, 3790 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (2 years 8 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2152 times:

Oh, great, a Q5 with a Porsche badge.

And I thought the Cayenne and Panamera were bad...

Judging by the amount of people who have more money and pretension than sense, it'll be a hit.

So when do we get the Porsche-looking VW golf?


*Yeah, I'm a hater, and I'm gun' hate the hell out of this thing*



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User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10763 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (2 years 8 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2146 times:

Quoting francoflier (Reply 1):
Oh, great, a Q5 with a Porsche badge.

And I thought the Cayenne and Panamera were bad...

Judging by the amount of people who have more money and pretension than sense, it'll be a hit.

So when do we get the Porsche-looking VW golf?

*Yeah, I'm a hater, and I'm gun' hate the hell out of this thing*

Count me in. Those Porsche SUVs are hideous, and the Cayenne is the anti-car par excellence for me. Its success is a sign how tasteless some of the wealthy are.


User currently offlineswissy From Switzerland, joined Jan 2005, 1734 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (2 years 8 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2130 times:

Quoting na (Reply 2):
Quoting francoflier (Reply 1):
Oh, great, a Q5 with a Porsche badge.

And I thought the Cayenne and Panamera were bad...

Judging by the amount of people who have more money and pretension than sense, it'll be a hit.

So when do we get the Porsche-looking VW golf?

*Yeah, I'm a hater, and I'm gun' hate the hell out of this thing*

Count me in. Those Porsche SUVs are hideous, and the Cayenne is the anti-car par excellence for me. Its success is a sign how tasteless some of the wealthy are.

Well, Porsche is today more then the 911... and sales/profit numbers proof that   has the 911 program suffered because there are other models on the market now?

What is wrong with sharing top quality/technology? and bring a affordable new product to the market?

Guess people have still issues the Porsche wants to appeal to more people...and just in case! there is always the 911

Cheerios,


User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8866 posts, RR: 24
Reply 4, posted (2 years 8 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2106 times:

Quoting na (Reply 2):
Count me in. Those Porsche SUVs are hideous, and the Cayenne is the anti-car par excellence for me. Its success is a sign how tasteless some of the wealthy are.

Wow, some pretty hateful comments here. Sure, Porsche's SUVs have the aesthetics of the Elephant Man, but you have to admire the technology of a luxury SUV that is stable at autobahn speeds, yet works off-road quite well (unlike the BMWs). They've lightened them and you can have anything from a diesel (even in the US this year), to hybrid to the firebreathing 500hp engines. Why the hatred?



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User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10763 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (2 years 8 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2095 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 4):
Wow, some pretty hateful comments here. Sure, Porsche's SUVs have the aesthetics of the Elephant Man, but you have to admire the technology of a luxury SUV that is stable at autobahn speeds, yet works off-road quite well (unlike the BMWs).

A friend went into the desert with his Cayenne some years ago. The car was a half-wreck afterwards, one axle completely ripped off. Porsche quietly repaired it for free to avoid bad press. The Cayenne is no true offroad competitor to the Range Rover or Defender, as its no sportscar or true limousine. For the first better take a 911, for the latter the Panamera.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 4):
Why the hatred?

Ugliness at a high price is a combination I will always hate.


User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7555 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (2 years 8 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2084 times:

Quoting na (Reply 5):
A friend went into the desert with his Cayenne some years ago. The car was a half-wreck afterwards, one axle completely ripped off. Porsche quietly repaired it for free to avoid bad press. The Cayenne is no true offroad competitor to the Range Rover or Defender

Which is odd because the Touareg which it's twined with, with the off-road package is a very competent off road machine.


User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10763 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (2 years 8 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2068 times:

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 6):
Which is odd because the Touareg which it's twined with, with the off-road package is a very competent off road machine.

Somewhat odd I agree but nevertheless the pure truth. Its not a story. Its what happened to a "friend" of mine with one of the first generation Cayennes in 2003/04. Interestingly I´ll be having an offroad experience with the Touareg in India next month. Even if related to the Cayenne, imho the Touareg is the much better looking car, inside and out.


User currently offlineslider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6854 posts, RR: 34
Reply 8, posted (2 years 8 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2058 times:

Quoting francoflier (Reply 1):
And I thought the Cayenne and Panamera were bad...

Except that the Panamera is a total beast that very much deserves its badge. Now you can argue the morality of Porsche having a 4-door vehicle period, but you can't deny its monster performance.


User currently offlineswissy From Switzerland, joined Jan 2005, 1734 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (2 years 8 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2020 times:

Quoting na (Reply 7):
Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 6):
Which is odd because the Touareg which it's twined with, with the off-road package is a very competent off road machine.

Somewhat odd I agree but nevertheless the pure truth. Its not a story. Its what happened to a "friend" of mine with one of the first generation Cayennes in 2003/04. Interestingly I´ll be having an offroad experience with the Touareg in India next month. Even if related to the Cayenne, imho the Touareg is the much better looking car, inside and out.

You see here in YHM I get a better car for the money if I go with the Cayenne.... however no dealer near by... so for now its MB. Never would pay that kind of $$$ for an VW   and if I want to go in the desert I would get a UNIMOG  

cheerios,


User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15778 posts, RR: 27
Reply 10, posted (2 years 8 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 1986 times:

Quoting francoflier (Reply 1):
Oh, great, a Q5 with a Porsche badge.

People said the Boxster wasn't a true Porsche and they were wrong. People said you couldn't build a Porsche SUV and they were wrong. People said you couldn't build a Porsche sedan and they were wrong. There's a pattern here.

Quoting swissy (Reply 3):
Well, Porsche is today more then the 911...

In many ways the Boxster saved Porsche and the Cayenne took them to the next level. People talk as if they want Porsche to just be the 911, and there was a time when Porsche was just the 911 with the 944/968 and not coincidentally they were in rather poor financial shape during that period.

Quoting swissy (Reply 3):
has the 911 program suffered because there are other models on the market now?

Just the opposite. They couldn't give the Cayman a limited slip diff because it would be too fast.



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User currently offlinefrancoflier From France, joined Oct 2001, 3790 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (2 years 8 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1916 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 10):

I'm sure that people would doubt the success of a Porsche SUV or sedan. They probably underestimated the value of the Porsche badge they slapped on it. I don't think these cars are any more advanced than any other car the VW group or other could have come up with, they're just the category above. They're well designed, have big, powerful engines and are expensive.
As a matter of fact Porsche was at the forefront of the nascent luxury SUV market.
I can't but commend Porsche on the financial success they've achieved with these cars, I mean they bought VW thanks to it!

My beef with those cars is purely personal. I believe people buy those cars for all the wrong reasons.
They just want something to haul their butts to starbucks, but nothing so mundane as a Merc or BMW, so they choose the car with the Porsche badge on it, and purely based on that.

A sport SUV that doesn't go offroad is a contradiction in terms, a senseless car that appeals to those with something to prove. Especially since it's butt ugly.
That new thing is equally tasteless and appeals to the same category of people, just with slightly less money.

I do have a problem with the fact that Porsche has sold its soul to the devil and has completely denatured itself with these insipid new cars. I die a little inside everytime I see one on the road and think of the fantastic cars that could have been bought with that money...
And for god's sake, I know they'd never designed a car before, but surely they could have come up with something prettier.

Again, it's purely personal.

I still do love the 911 and even the boxster and cayman, and I hope they'll keep coming up with ever improved versions of them. But then I guess they have to if they want to keep luring those Cayenne/Macan customers into thinking "yeah, I've got a Porsche"...   



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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15778 posts, RR: 27
Reply 12, posted (2 years 8 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1904 times:

Quoting francoflier (Reply 11):
They just want something to haul their butts to starbucks, but nothing so mundane as a Merc or BMW,

I have one friend who has taken his Panamera Turbo to the track on more than one occasion. Says it's the best car he's ever driven, and his family has had some nice cars.

Quoting francoflier (Reply 11):
so they choose the car with the Porsche badge on it,

That's not true, and that's precisely why Porsche has been so successful with their new models.

Quoting francoflier (Reply 11):
even the boxster and cayman

Even? You're one of those cretinous "purists" who insist on believing the myth that the only real Porsche is a 911, aren't you?

Quoting francoflier (Reply 11):
"yeah, I've got a Porsche"

Except that when they say that, it's true. It really is a Porsche and not a rebadged Audi. If they really were revamped Audis and VWs, people would have seen through it by now but they haven't because that's not what the Cayenne and Panamera are. They are real Porsches.

For heaven's sake just look at the cars and it gets pretty obvious that Porsche is essentially making versions of the 911. You have the 911, the 911 sedan, the 911 wagon, the two seat mid-engined 911 and roadster and now a smaller 911 wagon. Porsche has put in the effort to make each new model live up to the name and that is why their newer offerings have been so successful. If they were trading on their badge they wouldn't have made it this long.



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User currently offlineswissy From Switzerland, joined Jan 2005, 1734 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (2 years 8 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1866 times:

Quoting francoflier (Reply 11):
I still do love the 911

Same here and that car is on my "bucket List" just like a Aston Martin  
Quoting francoflier (Reply 11):
But then I guess they have to if they want to keep luring those Cayenne/Macan customers into thinking "yeah, I've got a Porsche"...

Care less for badges  .. we are a family of 5... and they wont fit in a 911, boxster...  , sure could get the VW... why would I? I get more for the $$ with a Cayenne...  

cheerios,


User currently offlinePC12Fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 2453 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (2 years 8 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 1854 times:

Quoting francoflier (Reply 1):

Couldn't agree more. What's next? Ferrari making a mini van?!



Just when I think you've said the stupidest thing ever, you keep talkin'!
User currently offlineYVRLTN From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 2490 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 8 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 1808 times:

Here in YVR, Cayenne's are so common theres two a block and the majority of drivers have zero clue how to drive them and probably rarely go over 100 kmh. The latest one looks like a spoilered Hyundai.... now there will be even more clueless dimwits out there who you wonder how they even got a license trading in their GLK350's & X3's.

Sadly, I feel this is the majority of Porsche's customers but all that being said, nothing should be taken away from what Porsche have achieved and the quality of the vehicles they produce. I hope none of it is lost with the Macan. Just as you may choose to have fancy leather suites with the latest and greatest plasma HDTV's with surround sound in your living room, you are entitled to the same luxury on the road if you can afford it. I do feel the engineering for such performance is wasted in a congested city like YVR with lights every block where your 1980's diesel is just as quick and I see little point in owning one unless you have unrestricted autobahns to do what they are designed for, or at least uncongested rural roads.

I also feel there should be a government requirement to have a special high performance license before you are allowed to own one as part of the vehicle registration process, with an extensive high speed training course culminating in a further road test (this would include any performance vehicle).



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User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7555 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (2 years 8 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1801 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 12):
If they really were revamped Audis and VWs, people would have seen through it by now but they haven't because that's not what the Cayenne and Panamera are.

The Cayenne really is a revamped Touareg, using VAG engines (except the V8) Cayenne Mk1 even shared the same doors as Touareg, Porsche have never tried to hide that fact, same with the Macan, it's a re-bodied Q5, which means it's based on Audi's MLB platform, same as A4/A5/A6/A7 & A8 and will use VAG group engines.

The Panamera is pure Porsche, on a Porsche platform with mostly Porsche engines. The next generation Panamera will be interesting, it's apparently going to share the same platform as the next generation A8.


User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15778 posts, RR: 27
Reply 17, posted (2 years 8 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1798 times:

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 16):
The Cayenne really is a revamped Touareg, using VAG engines (except the V8) Cayenne Mk1 even shared the same doors as Touareg,

That's a bit of a typo, it should read "just revamped Audis and VWs." Of course they actually share parts.

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 16):
Porsche have never tried to hide that fact,

No, they haven't. And nobody's ever cared because Porsche did their work and made the effort to ensure that the Cayenne was a proper Porsche in every respect except configuration, but then proved that what makes or doesn't make a Porsche is not based on a number of doors.



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User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7555 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (2 years 8 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1790 times:

Quoting francoflier (Reply 11):
I mean they bought VW thanks to it!

You mean they tried to buy VW, it backfired and VW ended up buying them.


User currently offlinePellegrine From France, joined Mar 2007, 2468 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (2 years 8 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1784 times:

Is Kay Jewelers suddenly selling natural pink diamonds?

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 4):
Wow, some pretty hateful comments here. Sure, Porsche's SUVs have the aesthetics of the Elephant Man, but you have to admire the technology of a luxury SUV that is stable at autobahn speeds, yet works off-road quite well (unlike the BMWs). They've lightened them and you can have anything from a diesel (even in the US this year), to hybrid to the firebreathing 500hp engines. Why the hatred?

I like the Cayenne. But why does everyone have to follow the BMW little SUVs and the M-B GLKs. They're kinda bleh to me.

Also.

I mostly like foreign cars, but I own a GMC Yukon Denali with a supercharger, engine upgrades, and suspension. Gets about 610 bhp, but it also weighs 6000+ pounds. I've driven on the road and track versus Ferrari 430s in it, and bested them. I blow past everyday cars everyday in it. Brrrrlllllack. It's crazy. The crazy thing isn't even then hp, it's the torque, almost 800 lb-ft AWD.

I'm kinda whatever on this little Porsche SUV though. To me the Cayenne is small enough. I like BIG cars.



oh boy!!!
User currently offlineflymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7212 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (2 years 8 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 1744 times:

Not a bad idea, if the base model is around the same money as a 3.2 Q5 it's a better buy with the bigger engine. Obviously these cars are not mean to be taken off road but the Q5 did win Off Road magazine off road SUV of the year. I think for its price range. It has some limited capabilities like 28 degree incline angles, 20inches of water, 4x4 etc.. I expect this to be the same.

I drove a 2004 V8 Touareg for a few years what a fantastic car, fast, great handling, good off road performance, one of the best mass produced off road SUVs ever made IMO. I currently drive an absolute off road beast (maybe the best) a early 2000s G500. Fun car to drive but give me the Touareg any day for practical driving. Porsche/VW/Audi knew what they were doing with these SUVs and sales has showed this.

However for the price this car will probably be with Nav and an option or two give me the bigger Touareg TDI. In the SUV market I think it's the best value. I am interested to see what type of diesel engine they might bring in though.



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User currently offlinefrancoflier From France, joined Oct 2001, 3790 posts, RR: 11
Reply 21, posted (2 years 8 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 1676 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 12):
Even? You're one of those cretinous "purists" who insist on believing the myth that the only real Porsche is a 911, aren't you?

I'm flattered that you value my personal opinions so mush as to get emotional about it, but there is no need for insults...  

I said 'even' for the very purpose of stating that I am NOT a 911 purist and that I like all of Porsche's sports models.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 12):
That's not true, and that's precisely why Porsche has been so successful with their new models.

I'm not sure I understand what you meant, but I can't see why the badge doesn't have anything to do with the car's success? I'm pretty sure it does. Even you mentioned later in your post that those cars are meant to be SUV and sedan versions of the 911. If that's not milking the badge, I don't know what is?

I don't like the Cayenne because it's meant to be a sporty SUV. But why would anyone wanting a sports car buy an 2.5 Tons, 5.5 ft tall car? I hate the engineering expenses that have to be made to turn a car that should be a big all terrain vehicle into a sports car. I mean, why? The same engine and drivetrain in a smaller, lighter car would be so much more efficient. Which brings me to the Panamera:
I much prefer the Panamera. It's dynamically efficient, not too heavy (still 1.7T though) and is a hell of a thorn in the M5's side. what I don't like about it is that it looks like sh#t and that here again, instead of giving the car it's own identity, they tried to 911 it.

As for this new thing, well it's even worse. It's a Q5 for those who'd prefer be seen inside a Porsche. Don't anybody tell me that it will sell only on its merits this time.

...Again, personal view...

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 18):
You mean they tried to buy VW, it backfired and VW ended up buying them.

I do, thanks. Still impressive from a company that was a speck on the German auto industry landscape just a couple of decades ago.
The Apple of the car industry for sure.



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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15778 posts, RR: 27
Reply 22, posted (2 years 8 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 1646 times:

Quoting francoflier (Reply 21):
If that's not milking the badge, I don't know what is?

That's following the tradition and substance of the brand, which is not the same as trading on the badge. If they were really just trading on the badge, the Cayenne would not have lasted a decade. That sort of thing gets exposed really quickly.

Quoting francoflier (Reply 21):
I don't like the Cayenne because it's meant to be a sporty SUV.

If you're going to build an SUV, you might as well build one that's fast. And if it's going to be a Porsche, it damn well better be. What other sort of SUV would you expect or accept from Porsche? Building an SUV that isn't sporty would be trading on only the badge.

You can't go on about how bad it would be for Porsche to be skating by on just their name and then say how pointless it is for Porsche to do a real Porsche SUV.

Quoting francoflier (Reply 21):
I hate the engineering expenses that have to be made to turn a car that should be a big all terrain vehicle into a sports car.

Then how can anyone make the argument that "it's just a revamped Volkswagen" or "people just want the badge"?

Quoting francoflier (Reply 21):
I mean, why?

Why build a sedan that goes like a sports car? Why not build an SUV that goes like a sports sedan? People fall all over themselves talking about how wonderful the RS6 Avant and CTS-V Sportwagon are but raise it up a couple of inches and all of the sudden it's the height of idiocy? I don't buy it.

Quoting francoflier (Reply 21):
As for this new thing, well it's even worse. It's a Q5 for those who'd prefer be seen inside a Porsche.

No, it's a Q5 for people who'd prefer to drive a Porsche. And that's a real Porsche, not a rebadged Audi, or a rebadged Volkswagen. It will be a Porsche, just like the Cayenne, and that's why it will be a success.

Quoting francoflier (Reply 21):
Don't anybody tell me that it will sell only on its merits this time.

If it is to have any longevity it will. The Cayenne has been around for a decade now with no end in sight. If the Cayenne were the badge engineered abortion many insist on believing it is, consumers would have figured it out long, long ago and the Cayenne would be a memory now. Just ask Cadillac about that.

Quoting francoflier (Reply 21):
...Again, personal view...

It's a view that seemingly a lot of people share. And every last one of them is dead wrong.



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User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7555 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (2 years 8 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 1604 times:

Quoting francoflier (Reply 21):
But why would anyone wanting a sports car buy an 2.5 Tons, 5.5 ft tall car?

Someone like me who has three kids, I'd rather drive a sporty SUV than an MPV or a stationwagon. As soon as my oldest is out of a booster seat I'll be down to the local Porsche/VW/BMW dealerships looking at sporty SUV''s and getting rid of the MPV.


User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15778 posts, RR: 27
Reply 24, posted (2 years 8 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1518 times:

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 23):
I'd rather drive a sporty SUV than an MPV or a stationwagon.

   SUVs are going to be a fact of life. Might as well drive one with some real performance. Fast is always better than not slow.

And a Cayenne Turbo weighs in at about 4800 lbs. That is less than a Bentley Continental GT, and about the same as the Mercedes CL63, and only about 200 lbs more than a BMW 750i. The Range Rover weighs in at around 5800 lbs.

[Edited 2012-02-19 19:26:22]

[Edited 2012-02-19 19:27:35]


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25 AirPacific747 : Idk.. I think I like the Macan. If I had the money, I would probably be a potential buyer.
26 KiwiRob : Turbo would be nice but if I buy one it will be the 3.0 diesel, I can't afford 2million NOK plus which is what a nicely optioned Turbo would cost.
27 Post contains images Superfly : ^ My thoughts exactly. LOL! Just because you could do something doesnøt mean that you should. The Cadillac Escalade, Cimarron, Lincoln Blackwood and
28 KiwiRob : Shows how little you know about Porsche, the Boxster was the entry level model which took over from the 968, the Boxster was a better vehicle, and th
29 Superfly : I was refering to the Cayanne, not the Boxster.
30 BMI727 : Well, if you're going to make an SUV you might as well make one with real performance that people might actually want to drive. Sure I'd rather have
31 Post contains images Superfly : I don't have a problem with the Boxster. It's a fine car. In fact, I don't have a problem with the 914 either. That's it right there. Why is a high-en
32 BMI727 : 1. Because you can make a lot of money doing so. 2. Because they can apply everything people love about their cars to an SUV successfully.
33 KiwiRob : That's not true the 924/944/968 were all class leading designs in the day. The 968 Clubsport is one of the greatest handling RWD sports coupes ever.
34 BMI727 : That's why I said arguably. The four cylinder models are still perceived as the red-headed stepchildren or that weird uncle nobody talks about. The 9
35 Newark727 : The compact luxury SUV seems like an especially pointless segment, but I guess it's profitable, everyone and their uncle is jumping into it now. Car a
36 BMI727 : Make sure to thank the Gas Guzzler Tax for that. Got all those big thirsty sedans off the roads and replaced them with bigger, thirstier SUVs. Keep w
37 Newark727 : ...what? I'm talking specifically about the compact luxury SUVs, and I suspect their success has nothing whatsoever to do with ideological axes and/o
38 BMI727 : ...but you still get to call them light trucks. And that's bad how? People fall all over themselves getting the latest shoes or newest phone, but app
39 stasisLAX : The Mercedes ML and the Lexus RS utes were the first to get the ball rolling, but the luxury CUV market was really started by the the Lexus RS model,
40 Newark727 : You were most definitely born with the argumentative gene. Anyway, my point, inasmuch as I have a point and am not expressing an opinion/posing a ques
41 BMI727 : Along with the Jeep Wagoneer. Really early Range Rovers weren't that luxurious. More comfortable than say, the IH Scout or Bronco, but not really an
42 stasisLAX : Of course, how could I forget the old Jeep Grand Wagoneers, with the acres of faux wood paneling and pillow-like leather (or crushed velour in the 70
43 na : Because there are many tasteless well-off people out there, who are able to twist their eyes for the sake of fashion. Honestly, SUVs are tlike platea
44 zippyjet : The grille front end treatment looks cool but the rest of that thing on wheels looks like a pygmy hippo mated to an SUV. Still a little better than th
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