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President Obama Praises 787  
User currently offlinerjm777ual From UK - England, joined Nov 2011, 246 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 11291 times:

On boeing.com, president Obama toured the UA 787, and had good things to say about it, along with the employees.

http://www.boeing.com/Features/2012/02/bca_potus_vid.html


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User currently offlineVC10er From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 2864 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 10942 times:
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Of all of President Obama's comments I found the one..."and it looks cool" as my favorite. I believe Obama was referred to as "President in Geek" early in his tenure after quoting Star Trek and seeing Leonard Nimoy in a crowd and flashing him the Vulcan salute to be totally in line with Obama's "geekness" as he noted it's next gen look and to mention how cool it does indeed look.


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User currently offlinerwy04lga From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 3176 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 10624 times:

I saw this live on CNN yesterday morning. Pleasant surprise.


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User currently offlinefsnuffer From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 249 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 6481 times:

Would have been cool if he visited the Boeing 787 plant in South Carolina

User currently offline0NEWAIR0 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 939 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 6235 times:

Quoting fsnuffer (Reply 5):
Would have been cool if he visited the Boeing 787 plant in South Carolina

I doubt he would EVER step foot in that plant.



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User currently offlinebobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6444 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 5513 times:

Quoting 0NEWAIR0 (Reply 4):
I doubt he would EVER step foot in that plant.




OK I'll bite, why won't he set foot in the South Carolina plant


User currently offlineaerlingusa330 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 357 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 5384 times:

Quoting fsnuffer (Reply 3):
Would have been cool if he visited the Boeing 787 plant in South Carolina

Yes, I agree. However, he would never go there, despite the fact that it brought thousands of jobs to the Charleston area. Instead, throw a few grand more in fuel for AF1 and go out to Seattle, where there are unions.

Quoting bobnwa (Reply 5):

He'd never go there because it's a Right-to-Work state. He'd be criticized by his union supporters if he were to ever do that. Shows were the guy's motives are pretty clearly.



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User currently offlineVZLA787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 99 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 5384 times:

Quoting bobnwa (Reply 5):
OK I'll bite, why won't he set foot in the South Carolina plant

Because the NLRB (National Labor Relations Board) is trying to close Boeing's factory in South Carolina due to the use of non-union labor. Remember, organized labor is one of the main contributors of Obama's campaign.


User currently offlineRoseflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9495 posts, RR: 52
Reply 8, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 4065 times:

Quoting VZLA787 (Reply 8):
Quoting bobnwa (Reply 5):
OK I'll bite, why won't he set foot in the South Carolina plant

Because the NLRB (National Labor Relations Board) is trying to close Boeing's factory in South Carolina due to the use of non-union labor. Remember, organized labor is one of the main contributors of Obama's campaign.

That issue was taken care of when Boeing promised to build the MAX in Renton and the IAM union accepted a contract extension. Boeing still has their engineering union needing a new contract next year, but compared to the IAM, they are easy.

Quoting md80fanatic (Reply 6):
Methinks everything this man says is for political expediency only.

Well Boeing has a very high profit margin for a manufacturing company in the US, high revenue growth, and is by far the largest US exporter. When you take it out of A vs B context, Boeing is a company that Obama and Americans should be proud about. It along with agriculture and the semiconductor industry help protect the trade deficit from being even worse. Boeing one of the companies that bring hard currency into the United States instead of out of it should be something that the president supports.

The 787 has its problems, but so do every plane. I think the cheesy compliments of the airplane were there for the person more interested in politics than airplanes. He was really praising the company's ability to work with labor in the United States and earn a profit doing it.



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User currently offlineBD338 From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 701 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 4068 times:

Quoting md80fanatic (Reply 6):
Methinks everything this man says is for political expediency only.

...like every other politician in the world...


That said, he was hardly going to turn up at a Boeing plant and say, "hey, come this thing is years late, delaminating in service and can't go as far as you said" was he?

Let's hope Boeing can quickly sort out the early in service issues and get this beauty performing smoothly for many decades to come.


User currently offlinefxramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7191 posts, RR: 86
Reply 10, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 3948 times:
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Pretty cool flight path.



User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19389 posts, RR: 58
Reply 11, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 2564 times:

Quoting aerlingusa330 (Reply 7):

He'd never go there because it's a Right-to-Work state.

We're getting OT, but the other issue is that SC's political establishment is rather hostile to Obama. He'll get a rather warmer reception in liberal Seattle (and surrounds).

Quoting VZLA787 (Reply 8):
Remember, organized labor is one of the main contributors of Obama's campaign.

Yup. But Boeing donates heavily, too. It's important to note that while a major corporation like Boeing or GM may favor one candidate over another, they will donate heavily to both so as to curry favor, no matter which candidate wins. On the corporate level, B might prefer Romney, I guarantee they are donating heavily to both.


User currently offlinecmf From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 2467 times:

Quoting VZLA787 (Reply 8):
Because the NLRB (National Labor Relations Board) is trying to close Boeing's factory in South Carolina due to the use of non-union labor.

How about a fact check before posting drivel.


User currently offlinejetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7405 posts, RR: 50
Reply 13, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 2288 times:
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Quoting cmf (Reply 14):
Quoting VZLA787 (Reply 8):
Because the NLRB (National Labor Relations Board) is trying to close Boeing's factory in South Carolina due to the use of non-union labor.

How about a fact check before posting drivel.

While the post above overall is off the mark, the NLRB, in conjunction with Obama and the DOJ, they were doing everything they could to stop the SC plant from happening, once they found it was going to be a non-union workforce.



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User currently offlineTOMMY767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 1878 times:

Methinks Boeing, general electric, and united airlines are all in bed with the Obama administration....

(throws up on keyboard)



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User currently offlineSA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 3431 posts, RR: 26
Reply 15, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 1782 times:
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User currently offlinecmf From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 1745 times:

Quoting jetjack74 (Reply 13):
While the post above overall is off the mark, the NLRB, in conjunction with Obama and the DOJ, they were doing everything they could to stop the SC plant from happening, once they found it was going to be a non-union workforce.

That too is factually wrong. They never asked for SC to be shut down. They asked for a permanent second line in Washington.

To remedy the alleged unfair labor practices, the Acting General Counsel seeks an order that would require Boeing to maintain the second production line in Washington state. The complaint does not seek closure of the South Carolina facility, nor does it prohibit Boeing from assembling planes there.
Source: NLRB


User currently offlineSSTeve From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 693 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (2 years 5 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1683 times:

Quoting jetjack74 (Reply 13):
the NLRB, in conjunction with Obama and the DOJ,

The "in conjuction" part's wrong, too. As I said in another thread, Breitbart went fishing for NLRB emails with an FOIA request, and found absolutely no evidence that the NLRB was acting at the behest of the White House.

And I have no idea how the DOJ is supposed to factor in. Because they weren't involved at all, as far as I can tell.


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39693 posts, RR: 75
Reply 18, posted (2 years 5 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1660 times:

Quoting fsnuffer (Reply 3):
Would have been cool if he visited the Boeing 787 plant in South Carolina

        
He would revisit the Solyndra plant before stepping foot at CHS.

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 14):
Methinks Boeing, general electric, and united airlines are all in bed with the Obama administration....

General Electric paid ZERO taxes, outsourced jobs to China and Obama brings on their CEO Jeffrey Immelt as his jobs czar!



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User currently offlinesoon7x7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (2 years 5 months 6 days ago) and read 1556 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 18):
CEO Jeffrey Immelt as his jobs czar!


Which is illegal!...Obama could care less about most everything. Does anyone here think he even has knowledge of 787 aircraft nor does he desire too? This, the same man that now wants to reduce the US nuclear stockpile to 300 units while rogue nations around the world are beefing up their programs...Good timing!...The man is intentionally trying to gut this nation like a fresh caught fish. Why does the PRESS sit silent on this issue?...    Oh...stupid me...he owns them too. Think Einstein wrote this...it is most profound..."I know not the weapons of World War Three, but I can assure you that World War Four will be fought with sticks and stones"...


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39693 posts, RR: 75
Reply 20, posted (2 years 5 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 1532 times:

Quoting soon7x7 (Reply 19):
Which is illegal!...Obama could care less about most everything.

The Constitution be damned is his attitude.

Quoting soon7x7 (Reply 19):
This, the same man that now wants to reduce the US nuclear stockpile to 300 units while rogue nations around the world are beefing up their programs...Good timing!...The man is intentionally trying to gut this nation like a fresh caught

His excuse is that America was evil years ago and these other poor nations just want nukes to power their homes....  
Quoting soon7x7 (Reply 19):
Why does the PRESS sit silent on this issue?...

They're still in love with this man. They're still caught up with the idea of him being a historical President and will trash anyone that criticizes him.



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User currently offlineSSTeve From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 693 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (2 years 5 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1463 times:

I guess the last two posts left everyone else speechless, too.
  


User currently offlineCargoLex From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1259 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (2 years 5 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1457 times:

Quoting SSTeve (Reply 21):
I guess the last two posts left everyone else speechless, too.

Yup. I honestly don't know where they come up with those conclusions. The Weekly World News closed down in 2007.

[Edited 2012-02-21 12:04:25]

User currently offlineslider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6785 posts, RR: 34
Reply 23, posted (2 years 5 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1457 times:

Quoting SSTeve (Reply 21):
I guess the last two posts left everyone else speechless, too.

Nope. Supe's on the money. The NLRB, at Obama's direction, is improperly interfering with a private company's rightful business decision.

Be grateful Boeing isn't going offshore. Only this administration would be hostile to job creation (as long as they're UNION jobs, that is) when unemployment is once again breaking over 9%, not including underemployed and those who stopped looking.


User currently offlineCargoLex From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1259 posts, RR: 8
Reply 24, posted (2 years 5 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1448 times:

Quoting slider (Reply 23):
Only this administration would be hostile to job creation (as long as they're UNION jobs, that is) when unemployment is once again breaking over 9%, not including underemployed and those who stopped looking.

The administration is not hostile to Boeing or to job creation.

But here's something that isn't factored in to the growth of jobs in right-to-work states like South Carolina - those jobs are poached from other states - not from overseas. Yes, they are lower cost jobs, but they also produce workers who must rely more heavily on government services and get progressively less compensation than the workers in other areas of the country who "cost more."

The result is degradation of the working and middle classes all over the country even if the number of jobs remains even. The investors and the corporations make more, while those who do the actual work make less. I'm not sure why we should pretend that shuffling jobs from one state to another while simultaneously lowering the wages and benefits of those jobs is a good thing, because it isn't. It might keep the numbers up, but it's a slow degradation rather than a quick one. It's still a step down.

[Edited 2012-02-21 12:12:27]

25 SSTeve : Nope.
26 GuitrThree : WHO CARES?? What gives the US government any right to start asking any company to keep lines open based on the fact that they want to move. Listen ca
27 GuitrThree : Wow. You're delusional. Might want to go check you're data. While Boeing workers in SC might make less than those in Seattle, they have a much lower
28 CargoLex : Well, you can feel free to call me delusional if you want, but you've just told me that one set of workers will make less than another set of workers
29 cmf : No, you listen carefully. When you enter in to a contract you need to fulfill your commitments. Even when that commitment is that you will not move j
30 Superfly : Very true. In fact, Boeing could have easily moved to Canada, Brasil, China and even Russia. Those countries can build airplanes too. I wasn't a fan
31 FlyPNS1 : Not likely. As fast as these states gain new jobs, they are constantly shedding other jobs. Ironically, despite having low labor costs and being "bus
32 PPVRA : And what is the problem with that? Nothing unfair about it, it's called competition. Let's not forget that the new set of workers is also inexperienc
33 CargoLex : Not everybody wants to live an anarchic Ayn-Rand inspired universe where the workers are all chasing the lowest possible wage just for a chance to fe
34 Superfly : So what is your opinion about General Electric moving jobs to China, killing jobs in Wisconsin and Maytag closing a factory in Newton, Iowa only to o
35 CargoLex : I didn't say it was. But I'm don't think taking jobs away from one part of the country to give them to another because you want workers overall to ha
36 Superfly : That was the whole purpose of our republic. 50 states that set up their own laws and attract jobs, people, tourism, manufacturing, education, etc. We
37 CargoLex : No it wasn't. Our country is one country, not fifty countries loosely organized into an EU type deal. If you think only in terms of what happens in y
38 Superfly : Who's celebrating? Printing money and spending 8 times what you bring in certainly isn't helping either. Many companies have moved to different state
39 CargoLex : He didn't. Obama does not pick and choose what the NLRB does, and if even Andrew Brietbart couldn't find a link, then I would suggest to you that you
40 Superfly : No conspiracy theories. Just calling it as I see it. An Obama appointee is now asking a judge to order Boeing to relocate all 787 Dreamliner producti
41 CargoLex : You do tend to see them, and attribute MANY things to Obama that make other people shake their heads. Okay, he's an Obama appointee. Anthony Kennedy
42 Superfly : I'm not making this up. You can verify all of the about. Keep on shaking your head if you must. Chat with you later.
43 CargoLex : I think we're going to have to agree to disagree. And that's okay too. I'd rather talk about Lincolns and Bonnevilles anyway.
44 747400sp : It will be nice, if UA have a special name for that 787, because it will a special a/c, like Pan Am Clipper Juan T. Tripp, and Air Canada Gimi Glider.
45 cmf : The problem is that there will not be enough people able to afford using the products. What are you referring to?
46 soon7x7 : Ignorance certainly must be bliss...where have you guys been the last 3.5 years?
47 Aesma : Or maybe the cost of living will go up ?
48 GuitrThree : Yes. 100% correct. They will pay less federal taxes. HOWEVER, if the same people are all spread out working at small mom and pop businesses where the
49 CargoLex : Logical flaw number 1: These new workers from east nowhere may make more now than they did working at home depot, but you've left some other workers
50 GuitrThree : You want to talk flaws? Ok. Here in the south, we have thousands of people lining up for these jobs. Every job every where. Why? Because they pay goo
51 CargoLex : Yeah, but they could pay better. And eventually, these workers will be left with stagnating wages because there is no room to bargain for better ones
52 GuitrThree : Thats all well and good. But you have brought up the fact that these non-union jobs will end up with stagnating wages. What's to say that if the Niss
53 CargoLex : Is there a big Toyota factory going up in Smyrna that I don't know about? You yourself have stated that costs are lower in these rural areas, cost of
54 PPVRA : Poor logic and economic illiteracy is the problem with both of your arguments.
55 GuitrThree : No.. while I'm shaking my head. I never said there was. I said if the Nissan plant gets so bad here what's stopping Toyota from moving in and stealin
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