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Rick Santorum On The Netherlands And Euthanasia  
User currently offlineracko From Germany, joined Nov 2001, 4857 posts, RR: 20
Posted (2 years 10 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3925 times:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=yn-eejMcmuA#

I hope all Dutch members are wearing their "do not euthanize" bracelets...

Seriously, Santorum is currently the leading contender for the Republican party.

America, you are scary.

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User currently offlinepetertenthije From Netherlands, joined Jul 2001, 3391 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (2 years 10 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3891 times:

Quoting racko (Thread starter):
I hope all Dutch members are wearing their "do not euthanize" bracelets...

Not yet! But thanks for bringing up this thread! I did not know about this, I must order myself a few bracelets immediately. I don't want to die! Thankfully I am not elderly yet so if I understand Santorum correctly I suppose I've got some time to get my bracelets!



Attamottamotta!
User currently offlinesw733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6371 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (2 years 10 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3869 times:

Quoting racko (Thread starter):
America, you are scary.

You do realize he doesn't speak for all Americans, no?


User currently offlinembmbos From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2611 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (2 years 10 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3854 times:

Quoting sw733 (Reply 2):
You do realize he doesn't speak for all Americans, no?

And you realize this is the Republican candidate who is currently leading in the polls?

Scary.


User currently offlineDiamondFlyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 1626 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (2 years 10 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3849 times:

Quoting mbmbos (Reply 3):
And you realize this is the Republican candidate who is currently leading in the polls?

And you do realize that at this point, there have been no fewer than 5 or 6 candidates who have lead said polls. Flavors of the month. They come and go.

Regardless, all he's doing here is pandering for the older vote, IMO.

-DiamondFlyer


User currently offlinedanielmyatt From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2011, 160 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 10 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3848 times:

He is a dangerous, dangerous individual.

User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21849 posts, RR: 55
Reply 6, posted (2 years 10 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3845 times:

Ah, but what you can't see in the video is that Santorum is actually wearing his "Do Not Believe A Word I Say" bracelet. He's been wearing it a lot recently.

The guy is simply not living in reality. It says a lot about how Mitt Romney and Newt Gingrich are received within the party (for reasons I can't figure out - you'd think one of them would be doing well) that he's in the position that he is.

-Mir



7 billion, one nation, imagination...it's a beautiful day
User currently offlineFly2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (2 years 10 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3825 times:

It pains me to say this as a "uhmerrrcun", but I can relate very much with he top comment on the video:

Quote:
I know Americans aren't very bright people.. but this I did not expect. If you say this in The Netherlands.. your political career is over. Because everyone will think you are stupid. I don't know who's more stupid, the people who believe what this guy is saying, or Rick Santorum himself..

.. this is why we don't have any respect for the US.. they don't have any brains to think for themselves and believe in stupid fairy tales their government tells them.

As a former US expat, I understand this sentiment 100%

[Edited 2012-02-19 15:21:37]

User currently onlinealoges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8758 posts, RR: 42
Reply 8, posted (2 years 10 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3804 times:

Quoting sw733 (Reply 2):
You do realize he doesn't speak for all Americans, no?

Trust me, most of us in this forum are very much aware of that. In a crude attempt at differentiating, I like to think of the extremes as gun-totin' Gawd-fearin' Uhmurrucah and tree-hugging radically vegan Oh-My-God-I'm-So-Ashamed-Of-It-country.  Wink

However, there seems to be enough ignorance in America for Rick Santorum to gain support and influence with such ridiculous statements. That is indeed scary.

[Edited 2012-02-19 15:34:47]


Walk together, talk together all ye peoples of the earth. Then, and only then, shall ye have peace.
User currently offlineNoUFO From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 7966 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (2 years 10 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3784 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 6):
Ah, but what you can't see in the video is that Santorum is actually wearing his "Do Not Believe A Word I Say" bracelet.

  Thanks, that was great!



I support the right to arm bears
User currently offlinepetertenthije From Netherlands, joined Jul 2001, 3391 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (2 years 10 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3779 times:

Quoting sw733 (Reply 2):
You do realize he doesn't speak for all Americans, no?

Of course we do. But just the fact that not only he can run but actually win several states says a lot about the mental well being of a rather large amount of Americans that voted in the primaries thus far.

I know that to many Americans the idea of a president who could have been "the guy next door" is very appealing. But there are also brain surgeons and rocket scientists living next door to someone. Why can't you pick someone with their level of intelect? Santorum is trying to get the office of one of the most important jobs in the world for crying out loud! Get some standards already!


Anyway, I'm gonna toss a few grannies in the fire. It's getting cold here.  



Attamottamotta!
User currently offlineMillwallSean From Singapore, joined Apr 2008, 1293 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (2 years 10 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3726 times:

I just hope gets to be president. haha, its so sad one has to laugh.
I love the lady saying ahh like she is having a eureka moment. She must really be a clever woman...

I just would love to see a pool of how many of his supporters that has a passport or have been overseas. Seriously if you can say such things openly and be considered fit for presidency hehe then its just sad. Really sad.

You wouldnt think they can make such things up even. Its so stupid im just left speachless.
What an embarrassement for any American to see this.
Shaking my head in disbelief.



No One Likes Us - We Dont Care.
User currently offlineusflyer msp From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2178 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 10 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3716 times:

Please don't judge the US by Rick Santorum's statements. Most Americans think he is an idiot too. Santorum winning the Republican nomination would be the greatest gift the GOP ever gave to Obama,

User currently offlineNoUFO From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 7966 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (2 years 10 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3703 times:

Quoting usflyer msp (Reply 12):
Please don't judge the US by Rick Santorum's statements.

Don't worry. But I really wonder if this guy regularly reads conspiracy websites (or perhaps The Onion) and take what they publish for granted. When you google netherlands + euthanasia + santorum you get more than 2.4 million results already. It would not suprise me would Santorum's popularity go downhill from here.

[Edited 2012-02-19 16:50:40]


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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20333 posts, RR: 59
Reply 14, posted (2 years 10 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3635 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 6):

The guy is simply not living in reality.

Yes is. He is LYING.

He knows exactly what he is doing.

Quoting sw733 (Reply 2):

You do realize he doesn't speak for all Americans, no?

Everyone knows that. But the fact is that he sure speaks for a LOT of Americans. The fact that there are enough Americans that this man gets TV time to say what he does is frightening. It speaks of a country with a DEEP fracture in its moral system.


User currently offlineltbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13191 posts, RR: 15
Reply 15, posted (2 years 10 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3634 times:

From the clip, this is more about his being against 'Obamacare', using twisted lies of what happens in The Netherlands as to Euthanasia, implying it's use will be expanded here if government has 'state' control of medical services. This also dovetails into his interptation of Roman Catholic beliefs. The real motive is to use as a phony issue to get the 'holy rollers' and anit-govenment, anti-liberal voters as well to distract from not talking about other issues that would basically help the 1%ers.

Generally in the USA, in the absence of a 'living will' or medical directive, usually required by many doctors or by hospitals if undergoing a medical procedure with risks, they will keep you alive as long as possible and not 'pull the plug'. Generally they would per instructions not keep up hydration or nourishment if in a permenant vegative state or with no realistic hope of recovery along with probably placement into a hospice section of the hospital to let you die naturally Although some states have tried to offer legal Euthanasia laws, they have generally been struck down in appeals to high level State and Federal Courts out of potential misuse of it. So Santorum is just doesn't know what he is talking about.


User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20333 posts, RR: 59
Reply 16, posted (2 years 10 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3615 times:

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 15):
From the clip, this is more about his being against 'Obamacare', using twisted lies of what happens in The Netherlands as to Euthanasia, implying it's use will be expanded here if government has 'state' control of medical services.

It's called telling lies about people to get your followers to hate them.

It's what Hitler, Stalin, etc. did. Fortunately, the American people will not elect Rick Santorum as President.


User currently offlinedc9northwest From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 2301 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (2 years 10 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3600 times:

What's the Netherlands got to do with the young people of Asia? Santorum doesn't know his geography, obviously. [/joke]

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 16):
Fortunately, the American people will not elect Rick Santorum as President.

I hope (and think) you're right.


User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20333 posts, RR: 59
Reply 18, posted (2 years 10 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3587 times:

And just to clarify, Obama has never told such lies about his adversaries and their plans. He has never tried to mischaracterize them for anything other than what they really are. In fact, he has been entirely too charitable to his opponents. He needs to start calling them what they are, which is a bunch of totalitarian nationalists.

User currently offlineQuokkas From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (2 years 10 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3525 times:

I wonder where Santorum gets his figures from and what evidence he has for his claims. In 2011 approximately 135,000 people died in the Netherlands and based on his claim that would be 13,500+ instances of assisted deaths. If half of those were "involuntary" that would mean 6,725+ people were killed for the sake of expediency.

Only trouble is that involuntary euthanasia is contrary to Netherlands laws and the figure quoted as "involuntary" exceeds by far the total number of assisted deaths. By law all assisted deaths must be reported. In 2010 the reported figure was 3,136 or 2.3% of all deaths, not the 10% as claimed by Santorum.

It is amazing what politicians of all persuasions will claim in order to get elected. No wonder that the biggest insult that you direct at a person is call him a politician. It's even worse than calling someone a used car salesman or journalist.  

[Edited 2012-02-19 20:56:10]

User currently offlinestasisLAX From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3287 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (2 years 10 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3516 times:

Quoting aloges (Reply 8):
However, there seems to be enough ignorance in America for Rick Santorum to gain support and influence with such ridiculous statements. That is indeed scary.

Even in Pennsyl-tucky (as I call my home state of Pennsylvania), the voters got smart to Santorum's ways. Ricky is a culture-warrior first and foremost. When it became apparent his approval poll numbers were very low, he want on an ear-mark binge to bring home the "pork" barrel projects for Pennsylvania. As a result, he had to support other Senators pet projects (like the infamous Alaskan bridge to nowhere) and his credentials as a fiscal conservative (what little credentials he had) went up in smoke. Ricky lost his reelection bid to the Senate in 2006 by a HUGE 18 points.to another political insider, Bob Casey Jr. - the son of a former (and surprisingly, anti-abortion) Democratic Pennsylvania governor.

Santorum is only in the Republican primary race because he has a billionaire benefactor in Foster Friess, a former investment banker and the "Brandywine Fund" hedge fund manager that has supported numerous religious and far-right-wing groups. Santorum owes his place in the primary to the financial support of an investment banker - Santorum is as connected to Wall Street and K Street lobbyists as ANYONE else in the race (including the President). He is not an outsider and is NOT for the average citizen, as much as he talks about the feeling the pain of middle-class Americans. He's an extreme right-winger on culture and social issues, and a moderate at best on fiscal issues.

Welcome to the American political "silly season"!!   



"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety!" B.Franklin
User currently offlineSSTeve From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 733 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (2 years 10 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3507 times:

Quoting stasisLAX (Reply 20):
Santorum is only in the Republican primary race because he has a billionaire benefactor...

Well, as he is an unemployed politician, getting his name in the papers every primary season is a good way to get some speaking gigs and sell some books. That's what I figured his motivation is. Him leading polls is like a dog catching a car.


User currently offlinen229nw From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 1972 posts, RR: 31
Reply 22, posted (2 years 10 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3482 times:

It is indeed scary that this person has even a chance at winning the republican nomination. The Republican idea that having an IQ over 80 and/or a good education is a minus when running for president because it makes you an "elitist" is deeply disturbing. It's been a growing trend since Spiro Agnew, but it's recently gone to a new level.

That said, PLEASE make him the nominee. That will guarantee that we don't have some other almost as scary right wing nut job elected next year, because he will lose so spectacularly.

PS: Sorry Netherlands. Someone had to take over where Bill O'Reilly left off making up bizarre stuff about you. (Then again, you do have some scary politicians of your own. I think for all their differences that Rick Santorum and Geert Wilders would make great bed-buddies--in fact, I am waiting for the scandal to break that exposes their affair!)



It's people like you what cause unrest!
User currently offlinemdsh00 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4130 posts, RR: 8
Reply 23, posted (2 years 10 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3450 times:

Quoting racko (Thread starter):
Seriously, Santorum is currently the leading contender for the Republican party.

America, you are scary.

Polls never tell 100% of the story. The Republican Party and the majority of Americans know that if by some crazy fluke Santorum gets the nomination, Obama will destroy him in the General Election.

This is again very typical for politicians to do before the nomination; pander to those at the more extreme end of the party and then shift more towards the center during the general election. Santorum is known to make the most noise about social issues and the slur created from his name is a good example. He's a joke on the national stage and frankly all of this GOP infighting is a gift for Obama.



"Look Lois, the two symbols of the Republican Party: an elephant, and a big fat white guy who is threatened by change."
User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21849 posts, RR: 55
Reply 24, posted (2 years 10 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3423 times:

Quoting n229nw (Reply 22):
The Republican idea that having an IQ over 80 and/or a good education is a minus when running for president because it makes you an "elitist" is deeply disturbing.

I still can't believe people saw John Huntsman's ability to speak Chinese as something bad. He was the ambassador to the country - of course he's going to speak the language, otherwise he'd be crap at his job!   

-Mir



7 billion, one nation, imagination...it's a beautiful day
25 Post contains images JRadier : I was thinking the exact same thing! Can you order me some as well? F*cking idiot!...
26 SmittyOne : Because those people are generally too smart to engage in politics in the US.
27 Post contains images zkojq : Why are people worrying about what happens in the Neatherlands, when (according to Governor Palin) Obama's healthcare bill includes death panels. Howe
28 Rabenschlag : you are aware of the stereotypes about surgeons, even brain surgeons?
29 Post contains links einsteinboricua : Well, not all. Just the four states he's won recently and the possible ones he may win. This primary is far from over. I'd like to think that, but we
30 Post contains images Dreadnought : This is why I could never support Santorum in the Primary (although I would still of course vote for him against Obama - a monkey could do a better j
31 Post contains links Dreadnought : By the way, it seems that Santorum actually has some facts to back him up on this Dutch euthanasia issue. http://www.patientsrightscouncil.org/site/ho
32 mt99 : Seriously? Good, Then you got vote for him with a clear conciseness.
33 ltbewr : I would suggest that using the word monkey and as a put down of our current President who is of African heritage (born in the USA) is bordering on ra
34 Dreadnought : I did not call him a monkey. That would be an insult to the monkey. I said the monkey would do a better job. Nothing racist about it. I'd say the sam
35 Post contains links mt99 : Polls have Obama up these days "In a potential Election 2012 matchup, the president leads Mitt Romney by a 46% to 42% margin. If Rick Santorum is the
36 Dreadnought : Obviously - the GOP is beating each other up and Obama is hardly getting any attention.
37 mt99 : How do you get from "not getting any attention " to "gaining followers? The only link i can see is that people are realizing how messed up the GOP is
38 dc9northwest : What??? Santorum is doing better than Romney in the polls? At least Romney is not a total looney! Social conservatives are exactly why I don't suppor
39 mt99 : Well he is not. The reality of the matter is that this is as good as it gets for the GOP.
40 Post contains links petertenthije : Anyway, to bring some facts in this discussion. Here are the legal articles that deal with euthanasia in the Netherlands. Euthanasia is ruled by artic
41 DocLightning : Historically, the Democrats, actually. Odd, no?
42 Mir : Be careful what you wish for - you just might get a monkey. I don't trust Santorum to do that. The man is perfectly willing to expand the government
43 CargoLex : No he doesn't, and neither do you. Stop supporting what is plainly preposterous. It's undignified and it undermines every other argument you make. Yo
44 NoUFO : Such as an aging society ...
45 SSTeve : From my perspective, the GOP's avowed concern about the deficit doesn't actually translate into doing much of anything about it. Hard for that to be
46 victrola : If you think that's bad, Mitt Romney speaks French! This is unforgivable in the eyes of today's Republicans.
47 Derico : I don't have any quarrels with the belief system of politicians, whether I agree or not, as long as they abide by the democratic process. My only prob
48 Ken777 : Leading this week. The frightening part is that he is no better nor worse than any of the other contenders for the GOP Nomination. Unless the GOP is
49 CrimsonNL : I'm glad Rick Santorum brought this issue up, I've experienced it first hand. I broke my clavicle a few years ago during a bike crash. I also got a li
50 DocLightning : You need to be careful posting that stuff. Next thing you know, he'll be holding up a copy of your post at a campaign rally waving it around as proof
51 Post contains links and images mt99 : Ohh Please Pease Please!!! Http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-li...video/sarah-palin-network/1217966/ To your point - scroll to Minute 1:00 "To Obama
52 Post contains images GrahamHill : Oh my God! Let's burn him to purify his soul righ now!
53 Post contains images Kent350787 : Loving your work And hoping Santorum get's the nomination, as another 4 years of Obama will be way better for the US (and the rest of us) than any of
54 oldeuropean : And some christian fundamentalists in the background ruling and ruin the US.[Edited 2012-02-21 01:45:52]
55 Post contains images n229nw : More than that, I truly worry that any of the GOP candidates might well be idiotic enough to start a war with Iran. Some people never learn lessons n
56 Dreadnought : Pre-emptive war might well be out of the question in today's climate, but what do you think should happen if (let's say) Iranian nukes are fired at I
57 petertenthije : I believe you left out Iran anexing the Sudetenland. You can make a million and one hypothetical situations. In fact, chances are the Pentagon and ot
58 ozglobal : "You shall not bear false witness." But apparently, it's fine if it can be used to cynical advantage for political gain for a package of disingenuous
59 Dreadnought : But you cannot be 100% sure unless one of these nukes blows up in your face, or unless Iran actually decides to do a test explosion. You don't need t
60 Dreadnought : Oh, the irony...
61 DocLightning : Irony indeed. One of the most evil, prideful, hateful, cruel, greedy, deceitful people alive today and he proclaims himself a proud Christian.
62 tugger : "No Way!" No. War is not to be entered into lightly, and I think the sheltered mind-view many in the USA seem to have is becoming a problem, where "p
63 NoUFO : Perhaps we need a new thread for that, but while I agree with you when you say that "war is not to be entered into lightly", there are several differ
64 tugger : Yes, I very much understand what you are saying. I realize the differences you note are very much defining factors that don't allow a real comparison
65 ltbewr : I am quite sure Santorum and others of his ilk would have no problem 'euthanizing' millions of people in the Islamic world by continuing war in the Mi
66 Acheron : I doubt Netanyahu is willing to call anyone other than some extreme-right nutjob or the US President, either to ask for more weapons or to help Israe
67 NoUFO : Which would add to my argument, Acheron. Tugger, I understand what you mean, thanks.
68 Post contains images n229nw : My response to that would be to do absolutely nothing. Do you know why? Because by the time part one of your scenario happened (the firing nukes at I
69 Post contains links Dreadnought : I hope you are right, but believe you are wrong. Your assumption is that the leaders of Iran (I won't say the people because they have little to say
70 Post contains images PanHAM : too late, it is already Vietnamese and the Iranians don't fit into the tunnels. The problem is that this is so long ago that most people don't see th
71 Post contains links DocLightning : http://www.washingtonpost.com/busine...AJvUR_story.html?wpisrc=al_comboNP The answer is: The Democrats.
72 Post contains images n229nw : Note "regime." Not "the Jewish people." In terms of rhetoric, this isn't different from American talk of destroying "regimes" in the Middle East. I'm
73 DocLightning : Woah stop. There is a LOT wrong with American culture, not the least of which is the current GOP which wants to turn out country into a theocracy lik
74 n229nw : I don't think we disagree at all. But Dreadnought's comment was made about the entire culture (not the government) being sick. Which papers over a mi
75 Confuscius : You'll find a lot of santorum in Amsterdam's Red Light District.
76 DocLightning : I can imagine some pretty bad oppression under the US Government if the "Religious Right" manages to get control. I thought the gay hookers were in a
77 Post contains images Confuscius : I wouldn't know but I'll take your word. Is santorum just a byproduct of gay sex? Women have the same orifice as well. Anyway, conservative politics
78 kaitak : 645 months, in Santorum's case. I would just LOVE if Santorum won the Republican nomination; realistically, I don't think there's much chance of that
79 DocLightning : I wonder if he can remember what country he was talking about. After all, isn't Cain endorsing him?
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