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User currently offlinevarigb707 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 4017 times:

Santaluces High School In Florida On Alert After 2 Teens Post Racist Video (From the Huffingtonpost)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...uces-high-school-on_n_1292185.html

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User currently offlineairportugal310 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3719 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 3992 times:

Wow...just wow

"What is wrong with us? Everything."

At least they figured that out on their own. They are going to find out more about the real world real soon, I'd imagine



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User currently offlineFingerLakerAv8r From United States of America, joined May 2011, 259 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 3949 times:

First thing I noticed is that this is missing a "Florida" tag (For those of you who know what Fark is you will understand) First rule of the internet.... If your going to insult a whole race DON'T POST IT TO THE INTERNET.

Good luck ladies, the world has officially changed for you. This is your trial by fire. I sincerely hope they learn from this.


User currently offlineFly2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 3931 times:

Quoting FingerLakerAv8r (Reply 2):

Good luck ladies, the world has officially changed for you. This is your trial by fire. I sincerely hope they learn from this.

I give them a few months before they get the shit beaten out of by some thugs. And rightly so.


User currently offlinezippyjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 5561 posts, RR: 13
Reply 4, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 3929 times:

Wait till these brilliant girls become so called women there going to have fun getting a job even in that place with those yellow smiley faces and plenty of goods from China. Of course the way our society is going they could become leading politicians.    To the victims/dissed girls good luck and again the jokes on your tormentors.


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User currently offlinetugger From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 5797 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 3916 times:

Odd, I never knew that "orange is the color of racial tolerance". In one of the links to the earlier stupid girls it mentions this.

Tugg



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User currently offlinekeuleatr72 From Germany, joined Apr 2008, 97 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 3913 times:

Unbelievable!

What ever happens to them, they kind of ask for it.


User currently offlinewolbo From Netherlands, joined Mar 2007, 497 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 3873 times:

Here's the other video that is mentioned in the article.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...ville-high-school-s_n_1290929.html

Hopefully they'll get some 'feedback' from the other kids at school but I'm afraid even at their young age they are already a complete write-off to society.


User currently offlinesoon7x7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 3816 times:

And blacks never jab whites?...seems rap music has made a healthy buck doing it...and that's for profit. Only the Huffington post would waste ink on such a vacuous non story. The press continually fuels this fire, day after day. Want it to go away?...don't give it any attention...Write about something good for a change. A good story is harder to find, you can find trash in a dumpster...

User currently offlineSpeedbird741 From Portugal, joined Aug 2008, 654 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 3802 times:

Quoting Fly2HMO (Reply 3):
I give them a few months before they get the shit beaten out of by some thugs. And rightly so.

How, pray tell, do you conclude that two senseless little girls, who probably hadn't the slightest notion of the impact of what they were doing, deserve to be beaten by "some thugs"? That is a really sad comment and probably as ridiculous as the video.

Quoting soon7x7 (Reply 8):

Spot on.

Speedbird741



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User currently offlineflymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7279 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 3746 times:

Honestly who cares. Some teenage girls talking online. Just shows how times have changed but the minds have not. People have to realize the implications of things such as posting something online. These are teenagers who cares. Is it in poor taste? yes of course. But it is not like every person at this high school is posting videos online about racist topics. Two girls in a high school posted something, big deal. I think there are bigger problems in the world.

Quoting FingerLakerAv8r (Reply 2):
First thing I noticed is that this is missing a "Florida" tag

Florida tag?

[Edited 2012-02-22 17:12:58]


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User currently offlinekiwiinoz From New Zealand, joined Oct 2005, 2165 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 3689 times:

Racism should always be condemned, even if it is just a couple of dumb kids mouthing off. I myself said a couple of dumb things (including racist comments) when I was in my teens. I burn with shame when I think about it and it is very contrary to my character, but I know that it was just a dumb kid thing

This is much the same.....but the consequences will be much greater. I hope for their sake it doesn't get overblown, and they are able to take accountability, apologise, and be forgiven. More punishment than that is unfair in my opinion


User currently offlineflymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7279 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 3657 times:

Quoting kiwiinoz (Reply 11):

This story is on airliners.net overblown is an understatement of what is happening. Reminder there is no privacy on the Internet.



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User currently offlineFly2HMO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 3581 times:

Quoting Speedbird741 (Reply 9):

How, pray tell, do you conclude that two senseless little girls, who probably hadn't the slightest notion of the impact of what they were doing, deserve to be beaten by "some thugs"?

For the same reason that if you break a law without knowing it you're still guilty.

Just because they are possibly oblivious and naive as to what they're doing (and after having watched the video they clearly are not) doesn't mean they should be automatically be forgiven.

Quoting soon7x7 (Reply 8):
And blacks never jab whites?...seems rap music has made a healthy buck doing it...and that's for profit. Only the Huffington post would waste ink on such a vacuous non story. The press continually fuels this fire, day after day. Want it to go away?...don't give it any attention...Write about something good for a change. A good story is harder to find, you can find trash in a dumpster.

Good point.


User currently offlinesprout5199 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1855 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 3442 times:

This is all over the news down here. Front page of the Palm Beach Post web site. www.palmbeachpost.com

Just stupid kids being stupid kids.


Dan in Jupiter


User currently offlineSW733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6372 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 3435 times:

This was absolutely a huge, huge mistake by these kids. It's going to stick around and impact them negatively for quite a long time. However, I do have to agree with "soon7x7" - blacks are constantly ripping on whites and it's very accepted. Quite a double standard, I do say. Racism in any fashion needs to stop...but to make a big deal of A doing it to B when B does it to A all the time with no criticism has always seemed quite ridiculous to me.

User currently offlineStarAC17 From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 3410 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 3401 times:

Quoting SW733 (Reply 15):
I do have to agree with "soon7x7" - blacks are constantly ripping on whites and it's very accepted. Quite a double standard, I do say. Racism in any fashion needs to stop...but to make a big deal of A doing it to B when B does it to A all the time with no criticism has always seemed quite ridiculous to me.

It's a double standard yes but its an accepted one because blacks were slaves for 400 years and while they have been free for 150 years they only have had equal rights for 50 years. Let them harp on white people a bit also they are good at it and white people generally are not good at it. Chris Rock never offends me when me makes white jokes.

Most people accept this double standard and there are many others in society we all accept.

Also because these girls are dumb and just lack common sense they should deal with the consequences but provided they go to public school and the fact that they did this off school grounds, there is probably no grounds to discipline them from the school and if there is then it is a 1st amendment violation.



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User currently offlineTransIsland From Bahamas, joined Mar 2004, 2046 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 3371 times:

Love how that girl with the two coloured hair-don't actually caresses her "beautiful, natural hair" ...   


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User currently offlineseb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11807 posts, RR: 15
Reply 18, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 3338 times:

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 16):
blacks were slaves for 400 years and while they have been free for 150 years they only have had equal rights for 50 years. Let them harp on white people a bit also they are good at it and white people generally are not good at it. Chris Rock never offends me when me makes white jokes.

They could have taken the high road and said "You all did some sick and twisted stuff to us, but we are better than that. We are not going to stoop to your level." But, they decided to be as mean and intolerant as Whites were. Look at Asians and Natives: They moved forward after all the slaughter and forced labor and internment camps and, still, they do not lash out at Whites. The Asians simply take high tech jobs and Natives build casinos and take our money.



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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21879 posts, RR: 55
Reply 19, posted (2 years 10 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 3305 times:

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 16):
provided they go to public school and the fact that they did this off school grounds, there is probably no grounds to discipline them from the school and if there is then it is a 1st amendment violation.

   School should stay out of it - society will be perfectly capable of teaching these girls a lesson (and I don't mean violence, which I don't condone at all).

-Mir



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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 20, posted (2 years 10 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3155 times:

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 16):
Quoting SW733 (Reply 15):
I do have to agree with "soon7x7" - blacks are constantly ripping on whites and it's very accepted. Quite a double standard, I do say. Racism in any fashion needs to stop...but to make a big deal of A doing it to B when B does it to A all the time with no criticism has always seemed quite ridiculous to me.

It's a double standard yes but its an accepted one because blacks were slaves for 400 years and while they have been free for 150 years they only have had equal rights for 50 years. Let them harp on white people a bit also they are good at it and white people generally are not good at it.

I get what you are saying but two wrongs do not make a right. It just makes things worse than it needs to be. This slavery excuse crap has got to stop. I remember a thread on this very topic (the slavery excuse) on A.net a few years back and was a very, very, VERY heated discussion. Let's not go there again.

These are kids, immature kids. They say stuff. We all have when we were in Jr. High and High School. So, who cares. They will get what is coming to them, there is now not much they can do about it now. However, this will die down sooner if not later.

The article mentions that the school district plans to take disciplinary action on these two girls. My question is how can the school district take disciplinary action on these two girls if the video did not take place on district/school property? The background in the video looks like it was done at the home of one of the two girls. If the school district expels both, I see a lawsuit brewing..... with the First Amendment rights being a top issue in that lawsuit.

But then again, in this situation, nobody wins. This slavery excuse crap has got to stop. That banter is getting old, but that is for a different thread..... Let's move on...



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User currently offlineSpeedbird741 From Portugal, joined Aug 2008, 654 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 10 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3142 times:

Quoting Fly2HMO (Reply 13):
For the same reason that if you break a law without knowing it you're still guilty.
Quoting Fly2HMO (Reply 13):
doesn't mean they should be automatically be forgiven.

Unknowingly breaking laws and lack of automatic forgiveness have zero correlation with "some thugs" beating the "shit" out of them.

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 16):
blacks were slaves for 400 years and while they have been free for 150 years they only have had equal rights for 50 years. Let them harp on white people a bit also they are good at it and white people generally are not good at it. Chris Rock never offends me when me makes white jokes.

Oh yes, of course. It makes incredible sense to live the present trying to make up for the more unfortunate parts of history. In fact, we have all benefited so much from instituting policies that are meant to correct "mistakes" of the past and that force parties (employers, for example) to make decisions that, at the margin, are in no way rational.

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 20):
This slavery excuse crap has got to stop

It really has to stop.

Speedbird741



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User currently offlineBlueElephant From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 1813 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (2 years 10 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3084 times:

My opinion is this:

The video the OP had posted, that was just two stupid girls, being immature.

The second here:

Quoting wolbo (Reply 7):
Here's the other video that is mentioned in the article.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0....html

That was pretty messed up. There's really no excuse for that kind of hate.


User currently offlineATCtower From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 547 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (2 years 10 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3067 times:

Ok, so the teenage girls are dumb... Not necessarily because they feel this way (though I find it ignorant), but because they put it out there for the whole world to judge....

That said, for all of you calling for them to get their asses beat or wanting to see it happen, are you any better than them? Hell no. Youre worse. In this country, speech (no matter its tolerance/ignorance) is protected.

Should a couple black girls get on youtube and talk about crackers and our lack of rhythm or whatever they feel necessary, I would see it as an insecure, ignorant move and call them dumb, though I presume there are probably a few thousand of them. I would never advocate for violence against them or send their video to national news for them to be vilified. I guess I just have thick enough skin to know that ignorant opinions will always be voiced too and have no bearing on my life.


My $.02



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User currently offlinePellegrine From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2495 posts, RR: 8
Reply 24, posted (2 years 10 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3052 times:

You know what's funny about threads like this to me?

The obviously white (by their response) posters who want to wave their white victim flag, "see, see, see," talking about, "those blacks do it to us all the time and they're not condemned." I wonder if the SAME people would do the same correcting and posturing in public or in a face to face forum, where your identity isn't (relatively) concealed. I doubt it.

And why do people have to integrate their personal prejudices into a situation such as this?

Just because you are prejudiced against rap music DOES NOT make all rap music about "making fun of white people." And just because you are prejudiced against accepting the modern day consequences of history upon this nation does not make one groups' being made fun of as equal to the next.

I'm sorry. People should realize that everything is not and everyone are not equal in this sense.

Furthermore, one cannot generalize that every person of 'A' race makes fun of every person of 'B' race and vice versa. Every black person does not make fun of 'white people', just as every white person does not make fun of 'black people'.

But if you are so ignorantly inclined to do so. You look just as stupid as the girls in this video. And that is exactly what some of the posters on this very thread have done, and I am sure will do.



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User currently offlinemmedford From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 561 posts, RR: 8
Reply 25, posted (2 years 10 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3021 times:

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 16):
It's a double standard yes but its an accepted one because blacks were slaves for 400 years and while they have been free for 150 years they only have had equal rights for 50 years. Let them harp on white people a bit also they are good at it and white people generally are not good at it. Chris Rock never offends me when me makes white jokes.

Probably the best justification i've heard ever...

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 16):
Also because these girls are dumb and just lack common sense they should deal with the consequences but provided they go to public school and the fact that they did this off school grounds, there is probably no grounds to discipline them from the school and if there is then it is a 1st amendment violation.

Think they can get the father of the year with his .45, to have a talk with these girls?



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User currently offlineGiancavia From Vatican City, joined Feb 2010, 1385 posts, RR: 0
Reply 26, posted (2 years 10 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3018 times:

Quoting soon7x7 (Reply 8):
And blacks never jab whites?...seems rap music has made a healthy buck doing it...and that's for profit. Only the Huffington post would waste ink on such a vacuous non story. The press continually fuels this fire, day after day. Want it to go away?...don't give it any attention...Write about something good for a change. A good story is harder to find, you can find trash in a dumpster...

Its funny in the UK here we have a blatantly racist Black MP who continualy insults white people on a regular basis yet there is never really any uproar about her. These 2 girls are ****ing idiots but its true racism seems to be a one way street.

I always enjoy when folk bring up the SLAVERY issue like they were part of the struggle even though they've only been alive 20 years and always ignore the role black people played in slavery. I feel persecuted because someone who was the same colour as me 100 years ago was treated like crap. Its a total cop out.

Personaly I have no idea why anyone gives 2 craps about the colour of peoples skin.. "oh no they are darker" yet how many white people sit in the sun to recolour and get tans.. Irony.

I just dont care, Plenty of dumbass whites, blacks, hispanics blah blah and it has nothing to do with their skin.. zzzZzz pesky humans, what a useless bunch. Ticket to mars please.

Quoting Pellegrine (Reply 24):
But if you are so ignorantly inclined to do so. You look just as stupid as the girls in this video. And that is exactly what some of the posters on this very thread have done, and I am sure will do.

You described yourself, Good job.

Quoting ATCtower (Reply 23):
That said, for all of you calling for them to get their asses beat or wanting to see it happen, are you any better than them? Hell no. Youre worse. In this country, speech (no matter its tolerance/ignorance) is protected.

Ironic isnt it, Speaking trash is disgusting but advocating beating is acceptable.. both as bad as each other.


User currently offline747400sp From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3758 posts, RR: 2
Reply 27, posted (2 years 10 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3016 times:

I think these so called young ladies, are very disrespectful, dumb, and wrong. For one, there are black girls, who can grow their long, it is partly based on how well you take care of it. By the way, may be these poor excuses for young ladies, should take a look at our current President, before they say thing like black people do not know how to speak.

User currently offlinemmedford From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 561 posts, RR: 8
Reply 28, posted (2 years 10 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2972 times:

Quoting 747400sp (Reply 27):
I think these so called young ladies, are very disrespectful, dumb, and wrong. For one, there are black girls, who can grow their long, it is partly based on how well you take care of it. By the way, may be these poor excuses for young ladies, should take a look at our current President, before they say thing like black people do not know how to speak.

Ignorance has no color...

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User currently offlinelewis From Greece, joined Jul 1999, 3679 posts, RR: 5
Reply 29, posted (2 years 10 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2953 times:

Quoting Pellegrine (Reply 24):

The obviously white (by their response) posters who want to wave their white victim flag, "see, see, see," talking about, "those blacks do it to us all the time and they're not condemned." I wonder if the SAME people would do the same correcting and posturing in public or in a face to face forum, where your identity isn't (relatively) concealed. I doubt it.

We actually had a discussion in our office a couple of days ago about it, not the "see, see" you say but an adult conversation. All of us decided that while the girls actions are probably stupid, they do not deserve to be beaten up and that if it was the other way around, nobody would have raised an issue at all. Even the non-whites admitted that there is a double standard about such issues.

Quoting Pellegrine (Reply 24):
I'm sorry. People should realize that everything is not and everyone are not equal in this sense.

What? Says who?

Quoting Pellegrine (Reply 24):
Furthermore, one cannot generalize that every person of 'A' race makes fun of every person of 'B' race and vice versa. Every black person does not make fun of 'white people', just as every white person does not make fun of 'black people'.

Nobody said that every person does it, but there are ignorant people of every race. I would find it equally bad if the girls were black and were making fun of Asian kids at their school or if they were hispanic and were making fun of black students. Racism is not exclusively reserved for whites vs all others.


User currently offlinemmedford From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 561 posts, RR: 8
Reply 30, posted (2 years 10 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2946 times:

People don't hate me because the color of my skin...they hate me, because they know me...


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User currently offlineStarAC17 From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 3410 posts, RR: 9
Reply 31, posted (2 years 10 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2843 times:

Quoting seb146 (Reply 18):
They could have taken the high road and said "You all did some sick and twisted stuff to us, but we are better than that. We are not going to stoop to your level." But, they decided to be as mean and intolerant as Whites were. Look at Asians and Natives: They moved forward after all the slaughter and forced labor and internment camps and, still, they do not lash out at Whites. The Asians simply take high tech jobs and Natives build casinos and take our money.

That is incredibly generalizing to say that blacks haven't tried to make something of themselves after obtaining equal rights.

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 20):
I get what you are saying but two wrongs do not make a right. It just makes things worse than it needs to be. This slavery excuse crap has got to stop.
Quoting Speedbird741 (Reply 21):
Oh yes, of course. It makes incredible sense to live the present trying to make up for the more unfortunate parts of history. In fact, we have all benefited so much from instituting policies that are meant to correct "mistakes" of the past and that force parties (employers, for example) to make decisions that, at the margin, are in no way rational.

Look this isn't reverse racism, all races harp on all other races behind each other's back. White people generally suck at it however.

Quoting Pellegrine (Reply 24):
The obviously white (by their response) posters who want to wave their white victim flag, "see, see, see," talking about, "those blacks do it to us all the time and they're not condemned." I wonder if the SAME people would do the same correcting and posturing in public or in a face to face forum, where your identity isn't (relatively) concealed. I doubt it.

I agree with that.



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User currently offlineSE210Caravelle From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 258 posts, RR: 1
Reply 32, posted (2 years 10 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2785 times:

This is my first post in a very long time, but I felt compelled to respond. Race is a topic that I take extremely seriously because I believe too many white people are entirely (and blissfully) ignorant to the issues at hand. In the interest of full disclosure, I am white male who has lived my entire life in the United States.

Quoting soon7x7 (Reply 8):
And blacks never jab whites?

There is almost zero relevancy to this comment. Blacks do jab at whites. But so what? That was not the topic of conversation. Whites, in the US, have never been systemically disadvantaged because of their race. When was the last time you felt uncomfortable because you were white? Imagine feeling that nearly every waking hour. That's the life of a non-white person living in a white dominated society.

For you to begin a post by attempting to invert the victimization of racism is, indeed, a form of racism itself. Blacks are almost ALWAYS the victim of truly damaging racism. So us white guys can't jump high or keep a beat, at least our race isn't considered lazy or having a distinctly "white" smell. You are not a victim; don't make it sound like you are.

Quoting SW733 (Reply 15):
blacks are constantly ripping on whites

But they don't have any power. Get over it. Obama had to "act white" to get elected. You don't have to "act black" to get a job, to not get pulled over by the police, or to keep people from locking their car doors when they drive through your neighborhood.

Quoting Speedbird741 (Reply 21):
It makes incredible sense to live the present trying to make up for the more unfortunate parts of history.

Racism is not history. It is alive and well today.

Quoting Giancavia (Reply 26):
I always enjoy when folk bring up the SLAVERY issue like they were part of the struggle even though they've only been alive 20 years and always ignore the role black people played in slavery.

Suggesting that black people today are not part of an ongoing struggle for equality on behalf of their race is ignorant. It's equally ignorant to assume that the roadblocks to economic prosperity that slavery posed to blacks for some 100 years would not put blacks today at a disadvantage. We've had a head start.

Just like you guys, I hate racists. I hate white racists and I hate black racists. But I understand that as a white male, society was built by people like me, for people like me. When minorities are criticized, it's easy for us to not say anything. But let's have some compassion. Most black people have it harder than me. Not just cause I have some money, that has a lot do with it, but also because we live in a white dominated society. That's not bad, it doesn't make white people evil, it's just the truth. Blacks have got to learn to deal with it, but whenever able, we should be willing to offer a helping hand and a little compassion. This is America: whether you're rich or poor, black or white, we root for the underdog.

[Edited 2012-02-24 22:53:10]

[Edited 2012-02-24 22:54:37]

User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15839 posts, RR: 27
Reply 33, posted (2 years 10 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2777 times:

Quoting SE210Caravelle (Reply 32):
Obama had to "act white" to get elected.

So now being educated and well spoken is "acting white"? I don't think that SW733 is the racist here.



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User currently offlinePellegrine From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2495 posts, RR: 8
Reply 34, posted (2 years 10 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2758 times:

It's a gross mistake for anyone to read my post and make an assumption about my race. Foremost, I am a champion for all minorities, the gays, the transgenders, the blacks, the Chicanos, the Asians, for everyone who isn't some WASPy neanderthal stereotype. That does not mean I am the minority I am supporting (although I will tell you I am very gay, LMAOROFL). I support the downtrodden, misunderstood, and mislabeled people all across this earth.

Quoting Giancavia (Reply 26):
You described yourself, Good job.

Oh yeah? How is that? I'm not the one with 1101 posts and a 0 RR. How about that?  
Quoting lewis (Reply 29):
We actually had a discussion in our office a couple of days ago about it, not the "see, see" you say but an adult conversation. All of us decided that while the girls actions are probably stupid, they do not deserve to be beaten up and that if it was the other way around, nobody would have raised an issue at all. Even the non-whites admitted that there is a double standard about such issues.

I'm not saying "all" 'white people' have this attitude. Not by far. It is the vast MINORITY that have such an undercover attitude.

No one deserves to be beaten, no matter how ignorant their comments. In fact, often, physical violence is the least painful of many options. Let's see these girls achieve gainful employment, make friends, and be successful in social circles when these comments are publicly viewable.

Quoting lewis (Reply 29):
What? Says who?

Says I and history. The problem is this. People try to make things PERSONAL when they are often SITUATIONAL or HISTORICAL. So yes in America a white person making racial fun of a black person will be very much so frowned upon, because of the history of prejudice and oppression of this nation. The United States itself supported prejudice, discrimination, and hate against black people. Therefore the topic is a loaded one immediately even before you or I say anything.

It doesn't matter if you don't think it should be like that. It SHOULDN'T! But it is. Unfortunately.

And therefore people have to be sensitive to historical and cultural differences, experiences, and results of that.

There were many, many people who just one generation ago who were treated like pure s... in 'America the Beautiful', and for people not to think that doesn't "trickle down" is incredibly naïve.

Quoting lewis (Reply 29):
Nobody said that every person does it

I get personally offended when people pull someone's culture out of context like, "rap music makes a healthy buck off of jabbing white people." WTF?

Quoting lewis (Reply 29):
Racism is not exclusively reserved for whites vs all others.

The problem with this is that straight 'white people' historically came from a situation of power. So you look at that versus the gays, the blacks, the Chicanos, the Greeks (who are darker or so they say), the Arabs, the "Orientals", you see a different picture. Strictly defined, IMO, racism is discrimination with the added bonus of being able to actually realize your mental beliefs. E.g. one can be prejudiced but not racist, because they have no power to actually exercise their prejudice in a de facto or de jure manner. But this is a point of contention amongst scholars and laymen of this issue.

Quoting SE210Caravelle (Reply 32):
But they don't have any power. Get over it. Obama had to "act white" to get elected. You don't have to "act black" to get a job, to not get pulled over by the police, or to keep people from locking their car doors when they drive through your neighborhood.

To be fair though, I don't think President Obama has done any acting, that is just the way he is. It is from his education. It's not about acting black or white, it's about your life experience, education, and circumstances.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 33):

So now being educated and well spoken is "acting white"? I don't think that SW733 is the racist here.

No one here is able to tell if anyone else here is a racist. So it is pointless and inflammatory to say or insinuate so. We are having a mature discussion. Anyone cannot tell a racist unless they either enter the other persons' mind and discover so, or they have undeniable proof.



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User currently offlinekiwiinoz From New Zealand, joined Oct 2005, 2165 posts, RR: 5
Reply 35, posted (2 years 10 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2748 times:

Quoting Pellegrine (Reply 34):
Oh yeah? How is that? I'm not the one with 1101 posts and a 0 RR. How about that?

Wow, it's been a while since someone brought up that old chestnut.....yuo really think that number means something? You might have to get out into the real world a little more and off the internet forums

Quoting SE210Caravelle (Reply 32):
Just like you guys, I hate racists. I hate white racists and I hate black racists. But I understand that as a white male, society was built by people like me, for people like me.

I agree with this. And whilst I haven't felt it personally, (white male here), I can feel it when I speak with friends. The society, by rights should be just as much theirs as mine, (perhaps more so!), but on an individual basis they seem to feel less deserving. Collectively, the white man has managed to stack the deck a little.

And no doubt, some people will go on a Darwinian rant about the strong getting what they deserve and the weak falling away. But this situation is much more complicated. Society was dictated collectively by the white man and was self serving. For a black man to rise above this disadvantage, (and he often does), he has to do it individually. There is a lot against him

Anyway, this is all a little too serious a debate when it's just a couple of dumb, probably regretful teenagers doing what teenagers do, (mouthing of without really thinking)


User currently offlinePellegrine From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2495 posts, RR: 8
Reply 36, posted (2 years 10 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2747 times:

Quoting kiwiinoz (Reply 35):

Wow, it's been a while since someone brought up that old chestnut.....yuo really think that number means something? You might have to get out into the real world a little more and off the internet forums

Nah. I really don't care  . I don't even know who respects me or why.   But I am apparently empowered.  



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User currently offlineSpeedbird741 From Portugal, joined Aug 2008, 654 posts, RR: 0
Reply 37, posted (2 years 10 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2613 times:

Quoting SE210Caravelle (Reply 32):
Racism is not history. It is alive and well today.

Oh, I do realize that. What worries me is that it is alive under a much more civilized and discrete form. An institutionalized form that is not only not condemned, but supported with petty arguments such as:

Quoting SE210Caravelle (Reply 32):
Suggesting that black people today are not part of an ongoing struggle for equality on behalf of their race is ignorant

However, that is not what I was referring to, so I don't quite understand your comment.

Quoting Pellegrine (Reply 34):
Oh yeah? How is that? I'm not the one with 1101 posts and a 0 RR. How about that?  

And thus you manage to, with one sentence, completely discredit yourself and your opinions.

Speedbird741



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User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6636 posts, RR: 21
Reply 38, posted (2 years 10 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2609 times:

Quoting seb146 (Reply 18):

Who is THEY ?



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User currently offlinePellegrine From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2495 posts, RR: 8
Reply 39, posted (2 years 10 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2541 times:

Quoting Speedbird741 (Reply 37):
And thus you manage to, with one sentence, completely discredit yourself and your opinions.

Oh yeah? How is that? I await your response sir.



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User currently offlinesoon7x7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 40, posted (2 years 10 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2479 times:

Quoting Giancavia (Reply 26):
I always enjoy when folk bring up the SLAVERY issue like they were part of the struggle even though they've only been alive 20 years and always ignore the role black people played in slavery. I feel persecuted because someone who was the same colour as me 100 years ago was treated like crap. Its a total cop out


Agreed...enough of the Slavery issue, it is old and boring and quite frankly a moot point. On just about every TV commercial, blacks are now typified as tremendously successful, intelligent and in more control than the white counterparts as portrayed in these commercials. Last month SEARS ran a commercial that depicted 11 characters in the commercial, 100% were black. I've shopped at sears my entire life and am confident in my observation that, not everyone in sears is black. Even the sears near me that resides...in a black community. Last night I watched some Black celebrity tracing his roots. Get this...I had to laugh and so did he...his great, great Grand dad owned 200 something acres of property in Africa back in the 1800's, he being black "Owned slaves"!...Black Slaves. This show was sponsored by "Ancestry.com" I never owned a slave of any color nor would I as I take care of my own business, I rely on myself. Blacks today have it damn good, Gulftream Jets, Escalades, singing contracts, multi million dollar sport contracts...mountains of bling...and more importantly, an open invitation to make something of yourself, just like every other race in this country. The way it is going in the US today, white midlle class christian bashing seems to be the new wave. I am of the later...I say bash away!..am I offended?...nope. It just demonstrates ones ignorance and I am thicker skinned than that.

Quoting Giancavia (Reply 26):
I just don't care, Plenty of dumb ass whites, blacks, Hispanics blah blah and it has nothing to do with their skin.. zzzZzz pesky humans, what a useless bunch. Ticket to mars please.


You am correct!...Amen!

Quoting SE210Caravelle (Reply 32):
When was the last time you felt uncomfortable because you were white? Imagine feeling that nearly every waking hour. That's the life of a non-white person living in a white dominated society.


Atlanta Hartsfield Airport!...every time I fly through there, I am reminded by the airport food vendors that I am white and will be accommodated last. While when I worked in New York city I would be the recipient of racial remarks by blacks all the time. Did it make me feel uncomfortable?...no...made me laugh...I'm just glad I'm not the one that processes all the hate as they so clearly demonstrate. I can't help being white any more than they can help being black...ergo?...who cares what your skin color is...gotta something to bring to the party, then c'mon in!...Just to inform you this is America, a largely white dominated country, not Africa, a largely black dominated country and I can tell you if I were to travel to Africa, attempts would be made to make me realize who is boss down there. I've travelled enough to know how it works...You grasshopper have much to learn about people. Ever look up at a flock of Canadian Geese migrating and wonder why the flock is not dotted with a random Pelican, eagle, sparrow or some other variant not indigenous to the species?...(probably not)...its called survival of the species...AH..."birds of a feather flock together"...their exists reasons in nature for likes to assimilate, that's just nature and humans are not exempt...we just have lawyers that tell us its wrong to think in such a way.


User currently offlinephatfarmlines From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 1364 posts, RR: 1
Reply 41, posted (2 years 10 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2448 times:

Lately there's been a trend of these types of videos popping up on YouTube. Here is a similar video of two girls making fun of illegal Mexicans in Arizona:

http://thegloss.com/culture/racist-video-arizona-girls-mexican-immigrants-773/


Similar security precautions had to be taken because hackers eventually identified them and posted their names online.


User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 42, posted (2 years 10 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2357 times:

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 31):
White people generally suck at it however.

Of course, they do. As I said earlier: Two wrongs don't make right. And yes, it is all about race. If it wasn't, the video wouldn't have been done and we wouldn't be discussing this right now.

Quoting soon7x7 (Reply 40):
I am reminded by the airport food vendors that I am white and will be accommodated last.

Are you serious or are you kidding??



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User currently offlinesoon7x7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 43, posted (2 years 10 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2213 times:

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 42):
Are you serious or are you kidding??

Sarcasm may be one of my favorite traits but yes, ...I am dead serious.


User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 44, posted (2 years 10 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2081 times:

Quoting soon7x7 (Reply 43):
Sarcasm may be one of my favorite traits but yes, ...I am dead serious.

That is unfortunate. People at that airport who work for those venders have a very large chip on their shoulders. It is sad, really.  



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User currently offlinesprout5199 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1855 posts, RR: 2
Reply 45, posted (2 years 10 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2082 times:

Quoting mmedford (Reply 30):
People don't hate me because the color of my skin...they hate me, because they know me...

Best post yet.

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User currently offlinekiwiinoz From New Zealand, joined Oct 2005, 2165 posts, RR: 5
Reply 46, posted (2 years 10 months 20 hours ago) and read 2047 times:

Quoting Pellegrine (Reply 39):
Quoting Speedbird741 (Reply 37):
And thus you manage to, with one sentence, completely discredit yourself and your opinions.

Oh yeah? How is that? I await your response sir.

I think he was implying that you seem to place an undue level of importance on the value of an internet forum respect rating. Thus, he made an assumption, (as did I) that you probably lack perspective on real world issues, and therefore credibility in your comments


User currently offlineseb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11807 posts, RR: 15
Reply 47, posted (2 years 10 months 18 hours ago) and read 2031 times:

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 31):
That is incredibly generalizing to say that blacks haven't tried to make something of themselves after obtaining equal rights.

They have. But, there are those who still see the struggle is just as radical as it was in the 1950s and 1960s. But it is not. We, as a nation, have grown beyond that. Some people don't see it.

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 38):
Quoting seb146 (Reply 18):
Who is THEY ?

Actually, it is "who ARE they" and I am referring to African-Americans in general. There are many that have decided they have opportunities their ancestors didn't have and take advantage of those opportunities. But, there are those that still sit around blaming "the man" (read: Whites) for their lot in life. Many people of many races in this country do that.



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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 48, posted (2 years 10 months 3 hours ago) and read 1969 times:

Quoting seb146 (Reply 47):
But, there are those that still sit around blaming "the man" (read: Whites) for their lot in life.

Especially when it the slavery thing had no direct impact on them at all. That is what pisses me off.

Their ancestors were treated horribly during the slavery period, and that is over. People living today was not direct impacted by the period in any way. They need to stop saying that THEY suffered when they really did not live in that time period. When someone comes to me and tells me that they suffered because their ancestors suffered, I just generally walk away instead of listening to their BS that has zero credibility saying "Sorry, your ancestors suffered but you did not."



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User currently offlinePellegrine From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2495 posts, RR: 8
Reply 49, posted (2 years 9 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 1846 times:

Quoting kiwiinoz (Reply 46):

I think he was implying that you seem to place an undue level of importance on the value of an internet forum respect rating. Thus, he made an assumption, (as did I) that you probably lack perspective on real world issues, and therefore credibility in your comments

I don't really care about this internet forum, and ask the mods...I've told them off before over a disagreement over some bs non-av nonsense. And good for your assumption. Because of your assumption that I take this forum's RR so seriously that I lack a decent perspective on real world issues is utter nonsense. If someone is intelligent to read my comments instead of my relative joke on A.net RR, it is quite obvious. And the smileys.   But my comments are quite accurate. If someone is ignorant enough to have a problem with me making a joke in the midst of a serious topic I will call them on that also.

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 48):
Especially when it the slavery thing had no direct impact on them at all. That is what pisses me off.

Their ancestors were treated horribly during the slavery period, and that is over. People living today was not direct impacted by the period in any way. They need to stop saying that THEY suffered when they really did not live in that time period. When someone comes to me and tells me that they suffered because their ancestors suffered, I just generally walk away instead of listening to their BS that has zero credibility saying "Sorry, your ancestors suffered but you did not."

UNFORTUNATELY...

People with your view point DO NOT understand that just because slavery ended, RACIAL and SKIN COLOR-based discrimination did not. This discrimination was rooted in the systems of slavery, which all of the United States benefitted from and culture derived from.

Ergo, an American Caucasoid person cannot tell an American Negroid person that people living today have not been impacted by past systematic, legal, and cultural wrongs.

This does not mean "white" people living today are "guilty" of their ancestors' doings. But it certainly does mean that quite possibly, they do not understand the ramifications of many hundreds of years of widespread cultural, legal, and systematic oppression upon a certain people, and the consequences of that in the present day.

I am sorry. No "white" person could ever tell a "black" person how they should rationally feel vis-à-vis race relations in a Western society. To do so would be 1) patently absurd, and 2) horribly ignorant.



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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 50, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 1706 times:

Quoting Pellegrine (Reply 49):
This does not mean "white" people living today are "guilty" of their ancestors' doings.

I understand where you are coming from. What is sad is that this is also another problem as well. This blame game continues today as if it we were still living on the slavery period.

Quoting Pellegrine (Reply 49):
No "white" person could ever tell a "black" person how they should rationally feel vis-à-vis race relations in a Western society.

Not trying to at all, but some people really do need to move on. Seriously.



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