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Limbaugh Apologises For Calling Law Student Names  
User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12970 posts, RR: 25
Posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 4645 times:

Ref: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-17248737

Quote:

In comments on his radio show earlier this week, Mr Limbaugh suggested Sandra Fluke's testimony to a US congressional committee made her "a prostitute".

In a statement released on his website, Mr Limbaugh apologised to Ms Fluke "for the insulting word choices" and said he "did not mean a personal attack".

In his apology Mr Limbaugh said that he was attempting to be "humorous" in expressing his opposition to the ruling.

Riiiiight, Rush, it's humorous to call a young woman a sl^t.

Quote:

Limbaugh's earlier comments about Ms Fluke caused widespread controversy.

"What does it say about the college co-ed Susan [sic] Fluke who goes before a congressional committee and essentially says that she must be paid to have sex," he said.

"It makes her a slut, right? It makes her a prostitute. She wants to be paid to have sex. She's having so much sex she can't afford the contraception. She wants you and me and the taxpayers to pay her to have sex."

Still not seeing the humor, Rush.

Quote:

After criticism of his initial remarks, Mr Limbaugh had at first refused to back down.

"If we are going to pay for your contraceptives, and thus pay for you to have sex, we want something for it. We want you post the videos online so we can all watch," he said on Thursday.

Still not seeing the humor, Rush.

Feel free to point it out, Rush fans.

Funny, all I see is a personal attack.


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User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8965 posts, RR: 24
Reply 1, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 4629 times:

While his attacks were over the top, his point is valid. There is no possible justification for insurance, whether private, state funded or otherwise, to have to pay for contraception.

The whole point of insurance is to pay for big out of pocket expenses that you would normally want to avoid, like your house burning down, a car accident, or getting sick. The only reason that it was/is considered is one more giveaway, where some people get free shit in return for their votes.



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User currently offlineAesma From Reunion, joined Nov 2009, 6960 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 4611 times:

Here, car insurers pay for "driving in difficult conditions" courses because they estimate it avoids big expenses. The basis of any health insurance system is prevention, regular health checks, screening campaigns, etc. All of those to avoid big expenses (and all of those free, here).

Paying for contraception avoids expenses, too.



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User currently offlineLonghornmaniac From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 3359 posts, RR: 46
Reply 3, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 4607 times:

I'm sure it was a thoroughly sincere, heartfelt apology.

  

Cheers,
Cameron


User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8483 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 4603 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 1):
There is no possible justification for insurance, whether private, state funded or otherwise, to have to pay for contraception.

IIRC the gist of the lady's testimony was that there are medical conditions treated by some contraceptives. A friend of hers couldn't afford the pills and ended upping an ovary removed. My bet is the costs of the surgery was far ore than a life time of the appropriate pill.

And, as I learned this week, there are over a million taking a contraceptive for a medical condition and not as a contraceptive.

Maybe we shouldn't get so obsessed with the word "contraceptive". It is a medication and some versions have other benefits. I would consider a requirement for insurance companies to provide them as part of their policies to be an intelligent approach to an issue that should have been resolved when I was a teenager.


User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20362 posts, RR: 59
Reply 5, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 4600 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 1):
While his attacks were over the top, his point is valid. There is no possible justification for insurance, whether private, state funded or otherwise, to have to pay for contraception.

Really? Even when treating a medical condition like PCOS or severe dysmenorrhea or menorrhagia?


User currently offlineMSPNWA From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 2024 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 4588 times:

I can hardly stand listening to Rush, yet I when I saw a video of the incident I laughed.

User currently offlinecmf From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 4580 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 1):
The whole point of insurance is to pay for big out of pocket expenses that you would normally want to avoid

Hmm. Not that this should come as any revelation but my medical insurance has me go in for checks yearly. They are not big expenses but the insurance company has figured out that paying that small charge to find things in the early stages is a lot cheaper than letting it linger until it gets big and expensive. So they pay for a lot of examinations and tests that come back telling people they are fine and it is still a win for them.

How much contraception can they "give out" and still come out cheaper than paying for everything related to an unplanned pregnancy?

Including contraception is smart business. Only problem is political ideology.


User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12970 posts, RR: 25
Reply 8, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 4559 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 1):
While his attacks were over the top, his point is valid. There is no possible justification for insurance, whether private, state funded or otherwise, to have to pay for contraception.

I'm amazed you could find some sort of point underneath all those incredible attacks.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 1):
The whole point of insurance is to pay for big out of pocket expenses that you would normally want to avoid, like your house burning down, a car accident, or getting sick. The only reason that it was/is considered is one more giveaway, where some people get free shit in return for their votes.

Funny, in my last hospital visit, my insurance paid for aspirin. Granted they paid $200 for two pills, but that's a different topic....



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User currently offlineltbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13202 posts, RR: 16
Reply 9, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 4556 times:

He still said the offensive remarks. That is forever on the Internet and in print. The woman he attacked with words will have these words connected to her for the rest of his life. An apology is worthless in this case. The only reason Mr. Limbaugh give any apology was as he was losing advertisers, not because of what he said and his intention to bash liberals and women.

One can disagree with the idea of insurance plans paying for or subsidising the birth control drugs. However what Rush and other of his ilk are doing are interfering with well established privacy laws and patient - doctor confidentiality. He should know a little bit about that from his well known pain killer addiction problem, where he doctor shopped and one doctor has a criminal records from that help as well as his serious deafness problem in both ears where he has implants.

In the end, I hope he faces a fate much like Glenn Beck did when he went too far and is no longer on the public airways and only on the Internet.


User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25704 posts, RR: 85
Reply 10, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 4539 times:
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Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 1):
While his attacks were over the top, his point is valid. There is no possible justification for insurance, whether private, state funded or otherwise, to have to pay for contraception.

"Over the top"?

If you have, or ever have, a daughter, I think you should pray that she is never subjected to such foul-mouthed publicly stated vitriol.

mariner

[Edited 2012-03-03 20:33:07]


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User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8483 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 4531 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 5):
Even when treating a medical condition like PCOS or severe dysmenorrhea or menorrhagia?

I was hoping you would chime in with medical conditions that would include big, un-understandable meanings for the general public. It tends to remind us laymen that there are a lot of conditions we have no hope in understanding, much less how to treat them.

The other obvious question is the costs of treatments for some of these conditions. Is the contraceptive approach cost effective? Are other options more expensive, or even available?


User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8965 posts, RR: 24
Reply 12, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 4509 times:

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 4):

IIRC the gist of the lady's testimony was that there are medical conditions treated by some contraceptives.
Quoting DocLightning (Reply 5):

Really? Even when treating a medical condition like PCOS or severe dysmenorrhea or menorrhagia?

Of course, The Pill has its uses apart from contraception, and that is fine. I was talking about paying for them as contraception only. Should they pay for condoms? Gym and sports club memberships? Jogging shoes? Exercise clothing? Vitamins?

Quoting cmf (Reply 7):
Including contraception is smart business. Only problem is political ideology.

Sounds like a plain and simple bloating of the insurance industry that will simply help drive up premiums.

Quoting Revelation (Reply 8):
I'm amazed you could find some sort of point underneath all those incredible attacks.

Well duh, it was the whole point he was talking about.

Quoting Revelation (Reply 8):
Funny, in my last hospital visit, my insurance paid for aspirin. Granted they paid $200 for two pills, but that's a different topic....

For patients not covered by health insurance, birth control pills typically cost $20 to $50 a month. If they become mandatorily covered by all health insurance, I'll bet you dollars to donuts that they will end up costing the insurance companies (and eventually all of us) $100-$200 per month in short order. It is no accident that many of the cheapest drugs are those that are bought outside of insurance coverage.

Quoting mariner (Reply 10):
If you have, or ever have, a daughter, I think you should pray that she is never subjected to such foul-mouthed publicly stated vitriol.

I have a daughter, and she is a lot smarter than to make such a stupid public pronouncement.



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User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12970 posts, RR: 25
Reply 13, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 4494 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 14):
Quoting Revelation (Reply 8):
I'm amazed you could find some sort of point underneath all those incredible attacks.

Well duh, it was the whole point he was talking about.

It was hard to find under all those personal attacks.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 14):
I have a daughter, and she is a lot smarter than to make such a stupid public pronouncement.

But if she had, we should just look past some talk show host using incredibly cruel words to describe her, and try to find a point to it all....



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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21877 posts, RR: 55
Reply 14, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 4486 times:

Quoting Revelation (Thread starter):
In a statement released on his website, Mr Limbaugh apologised to Ms Fluke "for the insulting word choices" and said he "did not mean a personal attack".

In his apology Mr Limbaugh said that he was attempting to be "humorous" in expressing his opposition to the ruling.

It took him that long and that tired line is the best he could come up with? Sorry, not buying it.   

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 1):
There is no possible justification for insurance, whether private, state funded or otherwise, to have to pay for contraception.

For starters, it's a hell of a lot cheaper than all the costs of an unplanned pregnancy. You're either going to have to pay for an abortion, or you're going to have to pay to take care of the resulting child.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 1):
The whole point of insurance is to pay for big out of pocket expenses that you would normally want to avoid, like your house burning down, a car accident, or getting sick.

From an insurance company point of view, the whole point is to minimize the risk of those things. Thus if you can take preventive measures (such as installing smoke detectors, taking special driving courses, and giving people cheaper drugs in advance so that their diseases don't progress to the point where they need expensive procedures), it's a good idea.


May I assume then that you object to insurance covering Viagra? I haven't heard a peep from conservatives about that - why the double standard?

-Mir

[Edited 2012-03-04 03:19:39 by SA7700]


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User currently offlineNewark727 From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 1368 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 4474 times:

Quoting Revelation (Thread starter):

In a statement released on his website, Mr Limbaugh apologised to Ms Fluke "for the insulting word choices" and said he "did not mean a personal attack".

Hold on now, if he didn't mean a personal attack, what on earth DID he mean? Talk about a non-apology apology.


User currently offlineGuitrThree From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2059 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 4471 times:

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 9):
In the end, I hope he faces a fate much like Glenn Beck did when he went too far and is no longer on the public airways and only on the Internet.

For the last time, Glenn Beck took himself off TV so he could start his own network and not be burdened by any type of pressure from the networks.. I don't know why people continue to ignore/forget/don't listen/understand this. He owns his own "network" now and answers to no one. Fox News was more than willing to re-sign with him. HE WALKED AWAY while having record setting numbers for his timeslot.

And further more, Fox News, and prior to that, CNN, are cable channels, NOT PUBLIC AIRWAYS. Please, do your homework. Oh, and Glenn Beck, if you haven't noticed, IS STILL on THE PUBLIC AIRWAYS. He's on the radio, with one of the countries highest listened to show. I guess you forgot that tidbit... those darn little pesky facts again getting in the way.

While Ms. Fluke did not deserve the names she was called by Limbaugh, that being said, I feel for no one who attends a $50,000 a year school and cries that they can't afford birth control. Furthermore, she knew this up front, as her choice to attend Georgetown was to change this single policy.

So please, spare me, this lady had one agenda and that was to be a political hack. And really, as bad as it is for her being called names by Limbaugh, what is more sad is that she is being played as nothing more than a political pawn for the left.

Seriously, your panties are in a wad because she was called a slut by a talk show host, but here she sits TESTIFYING IN FRONT OF CONGRESS about having all this sex and being too poor to pay for contraception. Really? I bet her parents are mighty proud of that one. She attends Georgetown-freakin-law-school but can't figure out that if she can't afford contraception, it's free to keep her legs closed.

Other ideas:

Condoms. $1 each, or free at most health clinics.

What about her boyfriend? Why can't he help out?

Yea, that's to hard for a 3rd year law school student to figure out. If this was my daughter I'd be climbing in the biggest hole I could find and stay there until this blows over. Cause I'd be plenty embarrassed that my daughter has just exposed to the world that she needs sex to survive school and is (a) too poor to pay for it while attending a $50K/yr school, or (b) too stupid to figure out other solutions.

She will be discarded when her 15 minutes are up. Need proof? Let's all go ask Cindy Sheehan how she's doing these days now that the left cannot have her camping out in front of the President at all hours protesting the wars.



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User currently offlineseb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11807 posts, RR: 15
Reply 17, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 4466 times:

Quoting Revelation (Thread starter):
In a statement released on his website, Mr Limbaugh apologised to Ms Fluke "for the insulting word choices" and said he "did not mean a personal attack".

Since it was just posted on his web site and not the actual "I'm sorry" coming out of his mouth, I don't believe it.

How about he gets a one week suspention without pay? That was how the right silenced Keith Olbermann and Ed Schultz. Because the right loves free speech so much.



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User currently offlineNewark727 From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 1368 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 4463 times:

What about all the people who neither go to $50,000 schools nor afford birth control? GuitrThree, you're doing the same thing Rush did, which is to focus on the person delivering the message and not the wider issue. It's a convenient tactic.

[Edited 2012-03-03 21:53:54]

User currently offlineGuitrThree From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2059 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 4457 times:

Well, there is a little difference between the two. Birth control pills prevent pregnancy. Viagra overcomes a medical condition to make an organ work as designed.

But that's not the question. The question is SHOULD INSURANCE COMPANIES BE MANDATED TO PAY? That's what we are forgetting here. If I own an insurance company and I don't want to pay for contraception but rather in the end pay for increased number of pregnancies and/or abortions, well, that's my choice. Stupid way of thinking, yes, but it's my company, and my choice.

If I don't want to pay for Viagra, then again that's my choice. Many people everyday face RX's that aren't paid by insurance plans. Why on earth because it's contraception should that be mandated over, lets say a certain cholesterol medicine that insurance companies don't pay for? It's their company, it's their choice.

[Edited 2012-03-04 03:23:34 by SA7700]


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User currently offlineGuitrThree From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2059 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 4456 times:

Quoting Newark727 (Reply 21):
What about all the people who neither go to $50,000 schools nor afford birth control?GuitrThree, you're doing the same thing Rush did, which is to focus on the person delivering the message and not the wider issue.

Then don't have sex. Again, most places in this country now give condoms away for free at schools, county healthcare clinics, etc. Go to a gas station, they cost $1 each. Please. Find me someone who can't afford a $1 condom. It usually takes two people to have sex where a condom is needed, so that's 50 cents a person. If you need to have sex so bad, stand out on the street with your partner and beg for 50 cents each..

What you are falling for is the belief that people of this country are so damn poor and/or stupid to spend a dollar for a condom.

Really, think long and hard about his, no pun intended, are you really saying that the wider issue is that this country is SOOOOOO BAD off that there is such a large portion of the population out there that can't afford just $1 per condom. Really? That's what you're saying? And let's take this further, we are discussing a college student here. Again, she is going to college. She is not living on the street. She is not living in poverty. Most all colleges DO offer contraception for free. The difference here is that Georgetown is a school that declines to provide it. And let me once again remind you, she knew this before going there. Now she's up there crying about it. Bahhh-wahhh.

Spare me your doom and gloom. I'm not the one focusing on the wrong problem. You are, and that is to believe that everyone in this country is so damn bad off they can't afford to do anything without someone else paying for it.



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20362 posts, RR: 59
Reply 21, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 4456 times:

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 11):
I was hoping you would chime in with medical conditions that would include big, un-understandable meanings for the general public. It tends to remind us laymen that there are a lot of conditions we have no hope in understanding, much less how to treat them.

And before someone says: "they should be covered for medical conditions but not for contraception," how are you going to enforce that? With prior-auths and chart reviews and a big program that will cost more money than just covering contraception? I can fraud away all day and you will never catch me because nobody but the patient and I know what actually was said in that exam room. So how about we cut the crap and cover hormonal contraceptives?

Furthermore, it constantly amazes me that the Conservatives of all people would be so anti-contraception. The people having a lot of babies tend to be poor. If you make them pay for their own contraception they won't use it and they will just go and have lots of babies, each of which will be another mouth on the welfare rolls. I'm of the opinion that hormonal contraception should be mandatory for welfare recipients, not just free. Have as many kids as you like... just pay for them yourself.

How about they put aspirin between their legs and don't screw? Well, that would be just dandy, but it will never happen. As the song says: "People are still having sex." And they will keep having sex because it feels good and they don't give a flying fig what the Pope or Rush Limbaugh or Rick Santorum has to say about it. So how about we deal with that reality instead of living in fantasy land?


User currently offlineNewark727 From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 1368 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 4451 times:

Well okay. Now you're at least not shooting the messenger. As much. That said, I don't see the personal responsibility argument in just sort of hoping that your partner is using birth control too.

Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 26):


User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21877 posts, RR: 55
Reply 23, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 4436 times:

Whether a kid is illegitimate or not has nothing to do with this.

Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 23):
Well, there is a little difference between the two. Birth control pills prevent pregnancy. Viagra overcomes a medical condition to make an organ work as designed.

Still paying for people to be able to have sex.

-Mir

[Edited 2012-03-04 03:35:07 by SA7700]


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User currently offlinemt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6678 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (2 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 4420 times:
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Don't worry . .. Romney is coming to help you. It will all be over soon.. Mwahahhaha

http://www.boston.com/Boston/politic.../XzJavhOtrB8eS22b8zXMhO/index.html

Former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney has accused President Obama of attacking religious freedom because of a federal mandate requiring insurers to cover contraception. But Romney, who overhauled the Massachusetts health care system, did not change an almost identical mandate in Massachusetts

[Edited 2012-03-03 23:27:41]

[Edited 2012-03-04 03:36:41 by SA7700]


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25 racko : I'm pretty sure that's not how the pill works.
26 Post contains images connies4ever : Exactly. Sponsors are bailing on him big time. It would be ironic (and enjoyable) if lack of sponsorship removed him from the air. What a creep. Call
27 Post contains images StarAC17 : I don't know what university you go to but I went to Western and there was a bowl of condoms at the entrance to the health building and most RA's and
28 us330 : If you read all of the statements that come out against Rush, not one of them objects to a legitimate policy debate over whether insurance should hav
29 seb146 : And it is the party of "personal responsibility" that is now telling poor people to add to the welfare rolls! Heterosexual married couples who can no
30 seb146 : I wanted to put this in a separate post because I wanted people to see it: Why is it not okay for women to *choose* to have help paying for birth cont
31 Pyrex : Nice jargon. Too bad this thread has nothing to do with the left's favorite canard, "women's health", but to whether the government should have the r
32 DocLightning : Um... I did. No, they think that people will only have sex for the purposes of making babies if they are properly indoctrinated by the GOP. Well that
33 us330 : No, this thread is about Limbaugh's "apology" to a law student--at least according to the thread title.
34 Dreadnought : A case of phoney manufactured outrage if there ever was one. I can't help but recognize many of the people in this thread who object to calling someo
35 Revelation : Plenty of difference, IMHO. First of all, it's one thing for an unnamed individual to refer to a group of people using a perjorative, and it's totall
36 Post contains links Dreadnought : And when the unnamed individual is the President, who used the term in front of the press according to Newsweek? "In Jonathan Alter’s “The Promis
37 Ken777 : So how do you actually identify the reason for the Rx from a Doctor? Do you throw away that right to privacy (only supporting the Constitution when i
38 Revelation : The "unnamed" part was to deal with your reference to: and not to well-known celebrities making public statements, however... Not quite analogous, be
39 mariner : I thought he already had, or at least, terms similar. But I can't think of any "liberal" who has suggested that a named woman make porn tapes so that
40 Post contains links us330 : "Phoney manufactured outrage"? Do you call a letter written by the Dean of the law school, and undersigned by nearly all of the faculty members of Ge
41 Dreadnought : Yeah. Also, I call it hypocrisy. Like I said, many of the people so upset just giggled like 12 year old girls when libs were using "tea-bagger" (a te
42 Pyrex : So I take it that you are in favor of free boob jobs for every woman? After all, how are we going to make sure the women that get it have really been
43 DocLightning : Wow, you have absolutely no moral system at all, do you? Something is deeply wrong when you can't see that calling a woman asking for contraception t
44 Newark727 : So everything is a wash and we're to be discouraged from pointing out what an uncalled for and abusive statement Limbaugh made, just because it so ha
45 Post contains links Revelation : Seems the advertisers aren't too happy with Rush: A 7th advertiser pulls out of Limbaugh's show
46 seb146 : Why? Because a woman wanted to give testimony on women's health issues but was not allowed? Because a woman wanted to speak? Why is that phony and ou
47 Dreadnought : I won't defend calling her a slut, and the sex video was something called a "joke". You should look it up as you seem not to be aware of it. No, no,
48 Post contains images Centre : Again, this apology came too little too late, very obvious that his lawyers have their prints on every word. He was attacking this girl for three days
49 fridgmus : Plain and simple, Rush has lost it! I mean, what planet is this guy from? OK, I can see him opposing that contraceptives be provided by the school, bu
50 DocLightning : But you just did. No, really. Yes you did.
51 DocLightning : Nope. Seven have bailed and more will probably follow. I think this is the end for Rush. Also, he's never published his ratings. Couldn't happen to a
52 Pellegrine : If Rush Limbaugh were alive, he'd be a very sick man.
53 DocLightning : Is he not alive?
54 Pellegrine : He looks dead to me.
55 seb146 : Which is what? That she wants help being responsible? Keep 'em barefoot and pregnant, I guess... Two separate issues. Calling someone a "slut" when y
56 helvknight : He might have a bit less soon. Sandra Fluke is not a public figure and is a law student and has been grossly defamed. This could cost Rush a lot, hop
57 us330 : Jokes are only jokes if they are funny. When seen in context, this "joke" was an extension of his personal attack on the law student. Rush can say wh
58 Mir : No. You do not get a free pass on the offensive stuff you say just because you label it a "joke". It's still offensive. Rush has tried that lame excu
59 thegreatRDU : This is truly a country in decline..... Morally and economically..... Why does Rush even still have a job? I mean what is gonna take? And why is every
60 Post contains links Dreadnought : Who says that jokes can't be offensive? And by the way, Walmart has been offering a month’s worth of birth control pills for only $9 http://walmart
61 Mir : They can be. And when they are, you don't get to say "it was a joke, get over it". -Mir
62 CASINTEREST : There you go, oversimplifiying again. Not everyone can take brand x generics. Some folks have alergies, and there are other types that can cost 60-18
63 Post contains links and images D L X : Indeed it could. I don't think the "actual malice" standard will apply.
64 seb146 : Actually, if you read the actual testamony instead of relying on what the right says, you will know she was testifying on behalf of her friend who ha
65 zckls04 : That's not what you're arguing- you're arguing that offensive comments are acceptable because they are jokes, which is certainly not true- especially
66 D L X : An interesting thought i just had, and I know the FCC would be loathe to get involved, but if a 0.1 second image of Janet Jackson's breast gets CBS fi
67 Dreadnought : To which I have said: There a lot of things that could be considered preventive of future health expense, including birth control and jogging, but I
68 D L X : If you're going to charge hypocrisy, show us the thread where you brought up Palin being called vile words and liberals defended it. Otherwise, it's
69 zckls04 : If I didn't already have no respect for Maher for being utterly unfunny throughout his career, I'd lose all respect for him for such pathetic remarks
70 DocLightning : One might argue that she's a "limited public figure." So I heard a lawyer say. I'm not a lawyer. Fair enough, but he's still talking, which is not ve
71 Ken777 : Unfortunately the Tea Party picked a bad name as "tea bagger" is only a bad word for some group who came up with another use of the term. I guess I'm
72 slider : I have a right to bear arms, but the government doesn't buy me a gun. There's no RIGHT to contraception, and this Fluke woman was exposed as a 30-year
73 Newark727 : So health insurance should only cover things we have a RIGHT to now?
74 mt99 : I have said it before: dont worry, soon you will have Santorum or Romney as an option replace whats happening. Either one of them will save us.
75 slider : No one has a RIGHT to health care either....it's just not an enumarated right and the continued push to claim such underlies a gross misunderstanding
76 flyingturtle : Admittedly, I've not read the whole thread. With some limits: Yes, yes, yes, yes and yes. If one has to pay one's preventive care, hardly anybody will
77 CASINTEREST : That's a bad argument considering even "NOW" came to Palin's defense and she warded it off. However Rush's apology only came when advertisers started
78 Dreadnought : Parcours Vita - I know them very well. It's one thing if an insurance voluntarily covers something to differentiate their product or simply for good
79 Ken777 : Certainly not in America. We're supposed to bow to the rich and powerful while watching the country's majority have their standard of living brought
80 Mir : I wish someone would put out a list of companies who advertise on his show so I could avoid using their services. We know about some, but I'm sure th
81 seb146 : I see. So one college student testifying on behalf of another college student who can not afford the pill to control her ovarian cyst should continue
82 Dreadnought : I never said that should not be covered - indeed the opposite. You are not reading my friend. 1) correct, this is about whether the government (feder
83 bjorn14 : I haven't heard any Congressional testimony by men affected by ED demanding taxpayers pay for it. I hope so, Dreadnought. What law firm with any comm
84 slider : nice strawman Ken...as usual, you find new and creative ways to twist things. There needs to be a focus on cost control, certainly, but in terms of h
85 Revelation : The point is that there is no debating the s-word, nor some of the words Palin was said to be called, in political discussions. Sad but true, but tha
86 GBLKD : Very "Christian" of you. And you wonder why you're in the minority on the "god" thread. You've just endorsed Mr Limbaugh's comments that the lady is
87 DocLightning : Sure they do. It's called EMTALA. Or have you never heard of it?
88 zckls04 : God forbid anybody should stand up for something they believe in. How dare she voice an opinion that you don't like? She's obviously just doing it to
89 Ken777 : There should be little surprise that the government establishes minimal government standards. What we tend to have forgotten about the health insuran
90 Mir : That's because they don't need to - it's already included in the requirements being discussed. A couple of posters here, to their credit, have object
91 mt99 : Does Georgetown receive Federal Funds?
92 Mir : I can't stand the guy, and the last day he speaks a word into a microphone will be a good one. But I can't bring myself to hope that that day will be
93 Post contains links bjorn14 : Actions have consequences and she'll be back in front of a committee within a few years whining that a big bad Republican destroyed her career and wi
94 D L X : Yes. A school can't really operate without being part of the direct loans system.
95 mbmbos : Oh please, be specific. What actions and what consequences? What are her actions that have such dire consequences? What consequences do you forsee he
96 mt99 : Why not? What am i missing? So why shouldn't it abide by the rules set out by the feds?
97 GBLKD : I never painted her as naive, please re-read the post of mine you quoted. I took issue with what you had written as you have spent weeks in this very
98 Post contains links D L X : Everyone (especially bjorn, slider and dreadnought) stop what you're doing, and read this article by conservative, David Frum: http://www.cnn.com/2012
99 seb146 : Unlike the military. We pay taxes to invade soverign nations who have done nothing to us (Grenada, Iraq, Somalia) and recieve NOTHING in return. As o
100 Post contains links D L X : Funny, the military and Congressional health care plans both pay for contraception. E.g. http://www.tricare.mil/mybenefit/jsp...al/IsItCovered.do?kw=B
101 Revelation : Thanks, D L X. The part that struck me the most was: A lot of the verbiage in this thread is of the sort he complains about above. No two situations
102 lewis : Jehova's witnesses do not believe in blood transfusion. Should it be allowed that all companies and institutions can limit their health coverages bas
103 mariner : It doesn't matter whether you consider the pronouncement was "stupid" - a value judgement - or not. The debate is about whether that daughter - or an
104 us330 : Full time law student--and activist is a completely neutral word--there are plenty of conservative activists as well as liberal activists. I'd consid
105 D L X : YES. That is the part that struck me most also.
106 GuitrThree : What really puzzles me about this contraception debate is all this talk about the women who need it for other medical reasons. I understand that, but
107 blrsea : I wonder if Mr Limbaugh considers all the women he had sex with, who used contraceptives as sluts or prostitutes! Would be interested in knowing what
108 DocLightning : Nope. Not at all. If you are trying to force normal cycling, then absolutely not.
109 StarAC17 : As for as I know she pays here premiums like everyone else so its not just your money, stop acting like it is. She is lobbying to get contraption inc
110 seb146 : The other thing I want to know is: Why is it acceptable and even applaudable for Rush to call some no-name person a slut but Ed Schultz gets suspended
111 Pellegrine : Because Rush Limbaugh is a nasty, hate mongering, drug addict, inflammatory person while Ed Shultz doesn't use nearly the same degree of ignorant, ha
112 Post contains images Mir : There was a proposal to do just that - let companies decline coverage based not just on religious beliefs, but "moral convictions" as well. So if you
113 jcs17 : First of all, when it was first reported, this woman was a 23-year old undergraduate. As it turns out she's 30 year old third-year law student who is
114 Pellegrine : Nonsense. And how dare someone bring sex change into this. She is not a tool of the Presidential Administration, nor does any mosque in Virginia have
115 jcs17 : Go to Drudge and you will be factually proven wrong.
116 Mir : And that's her fault? Unless she claimed she was 23 (which she didn't in her testimony - she said she was a third-year law student), I don't see how
117 bjorn14 : No, just follow the rules.
118 Post contains links Revelation : Seems Rush is suffering the wrath of his advertisers: AP: 4 more Rush Limbaugh advertisers drop out
119 us330 : When it was first reported--that's not her fault, blame that on the press for getting the facts wrong. You're missing the point--the issue is Rush's
120 seb146 : In other words: a person attending a Catholic university has to, in essence, become Catholic.
121 Revelation : Let's focus on that a bit: From the thread starter: And from the article in #118: So, he says he regrets his choice of words, and he regrets personal
122 lewis : Thanks for the info. What rules are those? Why be so vague?
123 Post contains links Dreadnought : The point is if you’re a conservative commentator, call a woman a “slut”, you need to apologize and Republicans are supposed to repudiate you.
124 CASINTEREST : So instead of busting on Limbaugh , you continue to make this other people's issue? Palin wasn't an invited guest in front of a congressional panel a
125 Mir : First of all, Bill Maher did not call the 9/11 hijackers heroes. He said they weren't cowards - there's a big difference. And he still lost his show
126 Revelation : Limbaugh went beyond simple name calling. It's not as if a liberal called Palin a name, it's as if a liberal said he was entitled to watch Palin have
127 Post contains images zckls04 : If Rush could deliver an actual straightforward apology I might have more sympathy. But this is what we get: “In fighting [liberals] on this issue l
128 Revelation : And it's just the bad words themselves, not the idea that women taking government money are being paid for sex, and that Rush is therefore entitled t
129 Post contains links D L X : Selective memory strikes again. Ed Schultz. David Letterman. David Shuster. And let's not forget, Bill Maher's comments (which not only were in agree
130 Post contains links tugger : That's the thing that is driving me crazy about the Republican's and their supporting media channels (by the way, how do they not also considered the
131 Post contains links D L X : Looks like some radio stations are starting to pull him off the air for this. http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...s-advertisers-jump-ship/?hpt=hp_t
132 Dreadnought : Jeez, you're still stuck up on the joke aspect of it? George Carlin: Sure it was tasteless, but you seem to act as if he was being serious.
133 Mir : You seem to be living under the delusion that calling something a joke grants it immunity from being offensive. -Mir
134 tugger : OK, let's try this, what if the jokes or one of a similar ilk were made directed toward you? And then the person that says them comes back and says"
135 zckls04 : From the above article, Rush said yesterday of the advertisers leaving his show: "I'm sorry to see them go. They have profited handsomely from you. Th
136 Revelation : I'm missing your point. Thank goodness Rush wasn't talking about raping an 80 year old woman he just robbed? I don't know what goes through is drug-a
137 us330 : Read the David Frum article posted on CNN. Your own words: "it all depends on how you construct the joke. What the exaggeration is." If you do think
138 Revelation : Indeed. Rush said "they've decided they don't want you [the listeners]" when the reality is the advertisers don't want Rush!
139 ER757 : I never cease to be amazed and amused at the outrage over what some windbag with a radio or TV has to say, whether it be Rush, Bill Maher, Glenn Beck,
140 geezer : Doc, one of these days when we have nothing to argue about, maybe you should sit down and write out an explanation about what all of those big words
141 Newark727 : "Make him look bad?" These are the words of Limbaugh himself! Is the fact that he spoke somehow not his fault? I will also point out that as far as I
142 helvknight : I think before you qualify for that one you'll need to make a quick trip to BKK Ouch. As for the folks who are pushing RW talking points about Schult
143 Post contains links zckls04 : Also as far as I know, most jokes don't last 3 days. Nope. I'm guessing this explains why you never gamble! I didn't. Nor did anybody I know; male or
144 CASINTEREST : Yeah, Rush is so against her sexual activity, that he tries to shame her by calling her names. that he asked for video's for him and his viewer's own
145 DocLightning : They mean that I spent seven years (plus the five I spent in college and grad school) studying medicine and we doctors get really annoyed with non-ph
146 Mir : You're just not in touch with reality. Rush had nothing to do with this until he injected himself into the issue with his comments. Pelosi had no rea
147 Post contains images lewis : They should have made it more impartial though, maybe have a woman from the other side of the political spectrum. Someone like Bristol Palin would ha
148 seb146 : So, why, then, is Georgetown paying ITS STAFF for contraception? Yes, the health insurance offered to ITS EMPLOYEES covers contraception. At a Cathol
149 Post contains links Dreadnought : Because it chose to. Where is your problem? Or is your problem that employers have a choice? I suppose in your ideal world we should leave all major
150 DocLightning : Yes. That is exactly my problem. If you are going to cover male reproductive health but not female reproductive health, then that is called GENDER DI
151 Newark727 : So? Hardly casts any light on her testimony with regard to contraception.
152 ltbewr : We are all aware of what led to the comments of Rush Limbaugh. The woman who was to testify in favor of access to birth control then got considerable
153 Mir : Will he? I don't see him paying any penance yet. -Mir
154 Pyrex : The day you pay for all your patients treatments yourself you can make all the medical and non-medical decisions you want. As long as you are living
155 Mir : Sounds like you'd rather have the government making decisions on what is medically necessary and what isn't than medical professionals. Viagra is cov
156 DocLightning : It is not. If a man has primary hypogonadism, he gets testosterone paid for by insurance. Why? He wouldn't die without it, but he'd lose his sex driv
157 Pyrex : I would rather have individuals (either by paying themselves or by choosing insurers that cover the type of treatments they want covered) make their
158 DocLightning : Yeah, I agree. That means THEY make their medical decisions, NOT their employers, and NOT some clergy they've never even met. How do you get to "pick
159 Pyrex : If you NEED to take Viagra then clearly you have an organ that is not working as supposed (believe you are smart enough to figure out which one). Sam
160 Mir : In other words, you'd rather have insurance companies making medical decisions for people than their medical professionals. The medical field is comp
161 DocLightning : In my particular field, I have three patients on sildenafil ("VIAGRA"). They are all under one year of age and two are female. None of them would be
162 Pyrex : Yes, they make their medical decisions when they pick their insurance (btw, all places I have worked for in the U.S. have given me at least two insur
163 DocLightning : So if none of your options covered vision, what would you do? Returning to the original topic, I wonder how much longer Rush will be able to continue
164 Pyrex : Look - everything has its uses. Marijuana has legitimate uses as well. If you could trust doctors with keeping their professions separated from their
165 tugger : I would then also assume that you would be against insurance paying for cholesterol medication as cholesterol is a very normal part of human bodies a
166 JakeOrion : Nah. The Michael J. Fox incident was much worse than this. It'll blow over with the next "big scandal" about some political opponent within a week or
167 geezer : Probably about as long as he wants to broadcast. As for the "American people" have spoken...........Doc....everyone knows a lot of people don't like
168 us330 : You don't see the hypocrisy of an institution claiming moral/religious authority to deny students something that they provide to their own employees?
169 Revelation : At a certain age, the penis fails to get erect. Yes, that is what is SUPPOSED to happen. How are you sure insurance companies aren't paying for male
170 Post contains images D L X : False. Limbaugh called a private citizen a slut and a prostitute for 3 days straight. THREE DAYS. It wasn't a misspeak, Limbaugh actually targeted th
171 Mir : And if you couldn't pay for it? Sure, that's unlikely in the case of glasses, but quite likely in the case of a more serious condition that you might
172 Post contains images WestJet747 : Maher went to HBO and Stern went to SiriusXM, both of which rake in tonnes of cash from sponsors. So they still do have sponsors, but via a different
173 cmf : But the private insurances leading us down to where we are now do? Suggesting $9 a month shows you're out of touch. Try $70 - over $100 and you get t
174 D L X : Have you ever seen a commercial on HBO? Methinks not. No, the people who pay for HBO are the people who subscribe to HBO. Anyway, I think geezer nail
175 helvknight : Although Viagra and its generic cousin mycoxaflopin is best known for trating erectile dysfunction, it is also used to treat a variety of high blood
176 slider : LOL- the stock of Carbonite, one of Limbaugh's sponsors that bailed, dropped 12% and was one of NASDAQ's big losers yesterday. Whoops. People vote wit
177 Post contains links Revelation : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1mQS3zxPF4 on MSNBC, May 25, 2011. Describes his own actions as "the lowest of low"....
178 Post contains links slider : Thanks you Revelation--I stand corrected and appreciate your posting that as a point of information... Let's also not forget the things that have been
179 tugger : I believe you mean for him to apologize for a poor/insulting choice of words don't you? And why does everyone (Democrat and Republican alike) seem to
180 mt99 : Its up 4% now,... How about you dig up all other 35 companies and you tell us how they have been affected by dumping Rush?
181 WestJet747 : I stand corrected. I have HBO included in my cable package but I don't think I've ever watched it once. Thanks for the info helvknight! You said it,
182 seb146 : He "apologized" for using the words he used. Yet, he never apologized for saying she should sent him the tapes of her having sex. My problem is hypoc
183 DocLightning : And he is "very sorry" that he lost so many advertisers. What's the count now? 20 or so? I wonder how many he has left. And if you happened to be poo
184 JakeOrion : And thus he's been held accountable for it. But what is the purpose to continually go after him on this? What do you want him to do now? Go off the a
185 Post contains links zckls04 : How about a simple, gracious apology which doesn't blame-shift to somebody else ("liberals", his advertisers, the media) and admits he is entirely to
186 seb146 : One week, no pay. It was good enough for Olbermann and Schultz, it should be good enough for him!
187 MaverickM11 : I get the ideological opposition, but shouldn't every non-religious conservative support contraception? I can't think of a single government/private
188 Post contains links GuitrThree : Rush has NOT lost 35 sponsors. It's another lie you people on the left continue to spew yet never follow up on. While Rush has lost a few advertisers
189 geezer : I can answer that question for you West Jet747; about .0000013 % of Rush Limbaugh's listeners are libs; the rest are all people who get very upset wh
190 Newark727 : Point us to this vast multitude, please. Even Rush's other defenders on this board have said he crossed some sort of line.
191 Mir : Oh cry me a river. We all pay for stuff we don't want to have to pay for (and not just taxes). We do it every single day. That's part of what living
192 D L X : Baloney!! Utter Baloney. Rush has yet to hardly recompense for what he's done. He told 15 million people that Sandra Fluke is a f'ing prostitute, and
193 JakeOrion : Thus to continue to beat the dead horse for what we know won't come solves...? Which won't hurt him one bit. Why? Is it because he's successful, and
194 Post contains links KingFriday013 : I found out today that Dr. Steve Landsburg, an econ professor at my now-former (!) school, the University of Rochester, not only agreed with Limbaugh
195 Post contains images flyingturtle : I frankly don't know what lives those men lead. Taking the pill makes you a slut? Do they know ANY woman? You've lived here? Tell me in a PM! Which we
196 starbuk7 : My daughter does not act like that so that would never happen. If you bring your kids up correctly they learn to pay for things themselves that are e
197 Pyrex : Not surprising. If there is one thing academia cannot tolerate is diversity (of thought). Says the guy from the country that has given us Novartis, R
198 Newark727 : No, she did not. She testified in front of Congress. People do that every day. Most of them are called out on the substance of their arguments, not p
199 D L X : Please correct me, because it sure as hell sounds like you two are saying that being called a slut or a prostitute is CONDONED? Because she thinks th
200 seb146 : No, but at least that would show the right is not as hypocritical as they really are! ????? The president of the university said he is fine with the
201 lewis : She doesn't have to pop a pill every time she has sex. It has been pointed out to you over and over but.... For all we know she may be in a steady re
202 zckls04 : This must have been subsequent to her initial teestimony- can you please quote the part where she says the pill should be covered so she can have lot
203 WestJet747 : Sorry for what? It works great up here in Canada. There's a massive difference between "bringing your kids up correctly" and "bringing your kids up t
204 L-188 : I just want everybody to knoe i have never advertised on Rush's show. And neither on Bill Maher show. Has he done anything worthwhile since Cannibal W
205 Pyrex : Let me remind you of what he said. So it is ok for a drug company to make money from sick people but it is not ok for a doctor who spent away the bes
206 WestJet747 : And here is what he said right after that: I agree that pharmaceutical companies are immoral in this sense, but at least there's a limit to how long
207 Pyrex : You think that drug companies are somehow immoral if they make money out of a drug that took them literaly decades to research and hundreds of millio
208 DocLightning : What are you on about?
209 Pyrex : People I have met, who were working in a government-sponsored lab trying to do research on a genetic neuro-degenerative disease that affects mostly P
210 cmf : Very few doctors are part of the problem. The question is why a drug is sold at much higher price in US than other developed countries. This may have
211 DocLightning : I think she was joking. Or you are lying. I guarantee nobody is anywhere close to curing any genetic neurodegenerative disease.
212 Post contains links Revelation : Something that Yahoo! News chose to carry: Has Rush Limbaugh killed all right-wing radio? Probably a wet dream that Limbaugh et al are going to just f
213 seb146 : Notice that no one but NO ONE suggested these right-wing extremists ever go away until Limbaugh called this woman all sorts of names and said he want
214 DocLightning : Not even that. They can still be on satellite radio or internet radio.
215 Post contains links Pyrex : The name of the disease is Transthyretin-related hereditary amyloidosis, or Familial amyloid polyneuropathy (FAP). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans
216 Post contains links Dreadnought : Well actually, leftists have been lobbying the FCC and Congress to shut down people like Rush for years via things like Fairness Doctrine, Equal Time
217 seb146 : It's funny that the right-wing forces all their talking heads on everyone and that is fine with everyone. But, when anyone to their left tries to get
218 Post contains links Mir : Except that they don't. http://www.bizfilings.com/blog/index...s-the-surprising-paycheck-paradox/ And the associated YouTube video: http://www.youtub
219 Dreadnought : Forces? Name one radio station or network that is forced to carry Rush's show. He's syndicated - that means if you want it, you buy it - if you don't
220 CASINTEREST : Rush radio does so well because they pander to their demographic. Angry white men that can stand to listen to two hours of adds on gold, security sys
221 Mir : You can say that about a lot of influential people. And yet they still compel people to do stuff. If he tells his listeners to vote a certain way, su
222 D L X : I don't want him off the air. As long as he's on the air, the rest of us can LEGITIMATELY refer to the Republican Party as the party of racists, bigot
223 Dreadnought : Do you have any evidence of such mass-hypnotic powers? If he did, they'd be winning hands down - not only this election cycle but the last one too. H
224 Mir : If his opinion is not that powerful, then why does every Republican seem afraid of crossing him? They did pretty well last election. He's got plenty
225 DocLightning : Apparently you are talking about a different Rush Limbaugh from the rest of us. “When a gay person turns his back on you, it is anything but an ins
226 Post contains images CASINTEREST : which is why we are now on post 226 of a Limbaugh Social Conservatism rant?
227 Post contains images Dreadnought : It's a joke. A little like the old one about If you know more than six names of non-standard colors or four different types of dessert other than ice
228 seb146 : That's what Clear Channel is for. They are the ones who carry Rush and all the others. BTW, if you listen to Stephanie Miller, you will get a good la
229 Dreadnought : Uh, if CC owns the station, they decide what to play on it, right? You use the term "aligned" when you don't want to admit the fact that they own the
230 us330 : Media is privatized. The problem with left-wing talk radio (And they've tried it before) is that it for whatever reason doesn't have the same draw or
231 Post contains images DocLightning : Probably because people on the left like to think for themselves, rather than being told what to think. Yeah it is. And then he called her a "slut."
232 ltbewr : In one of the more recent posts, it is noted that most of the Rush Limbaugh show syndicator's national advertisers have dropped out, so low that the s
233 Pyrex : Of course not. Somehow scientists (supposedly the most rational beings amongst us) are somehow immune to the one thing that has always been proven tr
234 DocLightning : Those drugs would not exist without Harvard Medical School (and friends) or the NIH. The basic scientific knowledge needed to come up with a basic id
235 Pyrex : I never denied that - academia is fine for basic science (probably why pharmaceutical companies are some of the major financial supporters) but when
236 seb146 : I think part of the reason is the "left" keeps saying "why?" Instead of the right-wing listeners who just say "sure!" and let it go. I will never for
237 Revelation : In what significant way? They partially fund a few professorship chairs (akin to naming rights on a stadium), they issue some research grants (for wh
238 Pyrex : Yes, of course, the last hundreds of millions of dollars and decades of work it takes to get a single drug developed and approved. I am sure that is
239 Revelation : Compared to the number of educators that it took to educate those scientists and researchers and bring things 80%-90% along, it is small. It just fit
240 seb146 : Right. So if a station is owned by Premier, whether that station is in Seattle or BFE, Montana, they must carry Rush. Period. I worked for three diff
241 Dreadnought : Premier does not own any stations. You are forcing the station which chooses to broadcast a 3 hour show with a solid listener base, like Hannity or R
242 Revelation : Clear Channel does, more stations than anyone else in the nation, and they own Premier, which only extends their reach to non-CC stations, but you kn
243 seb146 : Because listeners of Hannity and Rush and all the others are TOLD by the hosts they do not like the left-wing commentaters. I hear right-wing followe
244 Post contains images Dreadnought : Ahhh, so Air America had plenty of listeners, but they went bankrupt because other radio hosts told people who probably did not listen to Air America
245 seb146 : I have. They pull one sentence from an op-ed piece and pass it off as news. Or, one quote by one person in one article and pass it off as news. And w
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