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Bentley Unveils SUV  
User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15781 posts, RR: 27
Posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2482 times:

At the Geneva Auto Show, Bentley has unveiled their SUV called the EXP 9 F powered by the same W12 found in the Continental. I generally like the idea of a Bentley SUV, hell, most of their cars already have SUV heft to them, so it's not a stretch at all. It isn't clear how much is shared with the Q7/Cayenne/Toureg, but hopefully quite a bit.


Yes, the name sucks and the styling needs work too. Those lower fog lamps need to be about half the size they are now and the small intakes just inboard of the headlights need to go.

The rear styling is very nice, especially with the rear fender lines. I hope the lower fascia with built in ovoid exhausts makes it into production. The roofline is a bit too similar to the Range Rover for my taste, I would have liked something a bit lower and more rounded, more in line with current Bentleys and a bit more like the Spyker D8.

The lowrider wheels don't look so hot, but that could change before this hits production and even if they do not, it's a pretty simple fix.

The four seat interior is the typical exquisite Bentley affair: lots of veneer and quilted upholstery.

Overall I like it. It will be a nice addition to the Bentley lineup and should perform decently, although I expect the weight will be considerable, considering how heavy Bentley's cars are. Just please change the name.

http://jalopnik.com/5890646/bentley-...-9-f-suv-concept-nothing-is-sacred


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User currently offlineasuflyer05 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2373 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2479 times:

Talk about an SUV no one is asking for.

User currently offlineNewark727 From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 1366 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2464 times:

Quoting asuflyer05 (Reply 1):
Talk about an SUV no one is asking for.

I'm sure plenty of people are asking for it. Luxury SUVs may not be a growth industry anymore but there's still demand for them, and a company with a small customer base like Bentley probably feels it needs to respond to that to maintain loyalty.


User currently offlinealoges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8726 posts, RR: 43
Reply 3, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2465 times:

Quoting asuflyer05 (Reply 1):
Talk about an SUV no one is asking for.

I'd rather have no money than the stupid money to buy one.   



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User currently onlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8637 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2459 times:

It's kind of a projectile vomit situation, but also kind of cool.

User currently offlinesrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 2411 times:

I guess it's for those who think Range Rovers/Land Rovers are too common.....   

This is the replacement for the Hummer for the nouveau riche crowd, although this may have some cache in Beverley Hills or the Hamptons. This will be the must have ride for those entertainers and athletes that are looking for something that stands out in a crowd.


User currently offlineJetsgo From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 3085 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 2409 times:

Quoting asuflyer05 (Reply 1):
Talk about an SUV no one is asking for.

Funny, that's what people said about the Porsche Cayenne.



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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15781 posts, RR: 27
Reply 7, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 2399 times:

Quoting Jetsgo (Reply 6):
Funny, that's what people said about the Porsche Cayenne

  

Considering the parts bin VAG has at their disposal, there is no reason Bentley's SUV should be anything less than stellar. I would propose calling it the Continental FTR (F*** The Recession).

Anyway nobody needs a Bentley SUV. But want one? Damn right. And that is what life is all about.



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User currently onlinemercure1 From French Polynesia, joined Jul 2008, 1610 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2372 times:

Oh very nice. I will try to rent one when in Los Angeles.

I have done so with the Continental GT a few times and very good vehicle and ride.


User currently offlineAirCanada787 From Canada, joined Nov 2010, 285 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2357 times:

Bentley has actually created an app for it called the 'EXP Lab' on their Facebook page. You can vote on what you think of its design, as well as the concept of Bentley creating an SUV in general. They are saying its your chance to 'help shape the design of any such Bentley SUV and the future of the company'. Of course I'm sure that opinions gathered on a Facebook page won't heavily influence their decisions.

Do I like it personally? Not really. Bentley needs not to worry about loosing my sale however since if I was buying a SUV of that size I would go for a Range Rover. No Bentley dealers close to me anyway.



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39906 posts, RR: 75
Reply 10, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2321 times:

I don't like it!
I don't like it!

Quoting srbmod (Reply 5):
This will be the must have ride for those entertainers and athletes that are looking for something that stands out in a crowd.

Back in my day, those entertainers and athletes drove exotic cars that had class and style such as the Stutz Blackhawk and the Excalibur.



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User currently offlinestasisLAX From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3283 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2320 times:

Quoting asuflyer05 (Reply 1):
Talk about an SUV no one is asking for.

  

The EXP9 (does Bentley remember that there was a cheap Ford Escort model called the EXP back in the 1980s?) is very ugly - the proportions are all wrong. It looks like it fell from the top of the ugly tree, and hit every single damn branch on the way to the ground. The Range Rover is much better looking and it's the standard for the ultra-luxury SUV market.



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User currently offlinestasisLAX From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3283 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2318 times:

Quoting asuflyer05 (Reply 1):
Talk about an SUV no one is asking for.
Quoting Newark727 (Reply 2):
I'm sure plenty of people are asking for it.

Urban music moguls and sports-stars around the world are likely buyers - but the Range Rover (hell, the Escalade) looks better.



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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15781 posts, RR: 27
Reply 13, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2313 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 10):
that had class and style such as the Stutz Blackhawk and the Excalibur.

There isn't much class and style with a rebodied Pontiac. Those things cost nearly as much as a Miura.

Now the Dual-Ghia was a car. Lots of famous names owned one. Lyndon Johnson won his in a poker game...from Ronald Reagan. No revamped Pontiac can say that.



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User currently offlinezkojq From New Zealand, joined Sep 2011, 1270 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2305 times:

Yuck, that looks absolutely horrible. Generally, I quite like large European SUVs but this offering from Bentley is a total eyesore. Give me an Audi Q7/Porsche Cayenne/VW Toureg over that any day. I hope those in charge of exterior styling make some serious modifications. Despite all my complaints, I have to admit that the interior actually looks rather good and its performance should be spectacular (for an SUV).

I wonder if Rolls Royce will ever make an SUV....

Quoting stasisLAX (Reply 11):
The EXP9 (does Bentley remember that there was a cheap Ford Escort model called the EXP back in the 1980s?) is very ugly - the proportions are all wrong. It looks like it fell from the top of the ugly tree, and hit every single damn branch on the way to the ground.

  



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User currently offlineNewark727 From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 1366 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2305 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 10):

Back in my day, those entertainers and athletes drove exotic cars that had class and style such as the Stutz Blackhawk and the Excalibur.

Stutz Blackhawk? You're older than I thought...


User currently offlineKent350787 From Australia, joined May 2008, 967 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2285 times:

When I first saw the pic I thought someone had photoshopped a bentley grille on to a Jeep Patriot for a laugh.

I prefer the looks of the Maserati Kubang, but it, the Bentley and the Cayenne are pretty pointless which will probably make their makers a decent amount of money nonetheless.


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39906 posts, RR: 75
Reply 17, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2278 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 13):
There isn't much class and style with a rebodied Pontiac. Those things cost nearly as much as a Miura.

Well, Pontiacs were classy too.   

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 13):
Now the Dual-Ghia was a car. Lots of famous names owned one. Lyndon Johnson won his in a poker game...from Ronald Reagan. No revamped Pontiac can say that.

That is cool. I didn't know that.

Quoting Newark727 (Reply 15):
Stutz Blackhawk? You're older than I thought...

I'm 38. I was just starting high-school when they went out of production.



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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15781 posts, RR: 27
Reply 18, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2272 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 17):

How can you dismiss the Escalade as gaudy and classless while talking up the Stutz Blackhawk, et. al. which are basically factory made pimpmobiles. You don't have any problem with being gaudy, you just like the 70s.  



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User currently offlineNewark727 From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 1366 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2266 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 17):

I'm 38. I was just starting high-school when they went out of production.

Wait wait, I see now, I was thinking of the 1920s Stutz that I see vintage racing now and again...


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39906 posts, RR: 75
Reply 20, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2248 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 18):
How can you dismiss the Escalade as gaudy and classless while talking up the Stutz Blackhawk, et. al.

Trucks are supposed to be plain, industrial, utilitarian vehicles. I don't like the marriage between trucks and luxury. No matter how much you dress up a truck, it will always ride like a truck.
For class and luxury, it has to be a sedan, coupe or convertible.
No trucks!

Quoting Newark727 (Reply 19):
Wait wait, I see now, I was thinking of the 1920s Stutz that I see vintage racing now and again...

The Stutz came back in 1971 and was in production until 1987.
There is a very old man in San Francisco that occasionally takes out his 1925 Stutz an drives it through Golden Gate Park on a sunny day.



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User currently offlineTSS From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 3070 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2211 times:

Quoting Kent350787 (Reply 16):
When I first saw the pic I thought someone had photoshopped a bentley grille on to a Jeep Patriot for a laugh.

I think it looks more like a pimped-out London taxi.



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39906 posts, RR: 75
Reply 22, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2206 times:

Quoting TSS (Reply 21):
I think it looks more like a pimped-out London taxi.

My thoughts exactly!
I had respected Rolls Royce for being a holdout in NOT making an SUV like so many other brands.
I think Jaguar is the last luxury brand to understands that 'luxury' can only be in a sedan, coupe or convertible.



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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15781 posts, RR: 27
Reply 23, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2200 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 22):
I had respected Rolls Royce for being a holdout in NOT making an SUV like so many other brands.

The Phantom EWB is 20 feet long and weighs 5900 lbs, which is over 300 lbs. more than an Escalade. With dimensions like that they don't need an SUV.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 22):
I think Jaguar is the last luxury brand to understands that 'luxury' can only be in a sedan, coupe or convertible.

   Jaguar has never had an SUV and likely won't in the future not because of any outdated ideals of style or class but rather because they have been joined at the hip with Land Rover since 2000 and likely will remain so under Tata's ownership for the foreseeable future. If that were not the case, you can bet that Jaguar would offer an SUV like everyone else.



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User currently onlinePellegrine From France, joined Mar 2007, 2468 posts, RR: 8
Reply 24, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2193 times:

Bentley already made a bespoke SUV for the Sultan of Brunei's clan 15+ years ago. This is a computer mockup.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 23):
The Phantom EWB is 20 feet long and weighs 5900 lbs, which is over 300 lbs. more than an Escalade. With dimensions like that they don't need an SUV.

Phantom LWB is a BOSS car. No one can mess with it.



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39906 posts, RR: 75
Reply 25, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2264 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 23):
The Phantom EWB is 20 feet long and weighs 5900 lbs,

Like a proper luxury car should.  
Quoting BMI727 (Reply 23):
which is over 300 lbs. more than an Escalade.

Not concerned about weight. The Escalade is still a dressed up Chevrolet Suburban and rides like a Suburban and 1500 Silvarado. Not luxurious or classy at all.

Quoting Pellegrine (Reply 24):
Phantom LWB is a BOSS car. No one can mess with it.

  



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User currently offlinezkojq From New Zealand, joined Sep 2011, 1270 posts, RR: 1
Reply 26, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2245 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 23):
Jaguar has never had an SUV and likely won't in the future not because of any outdated ideals of style or class but rather because they have been joined at the hip with Land Rover since 2000 and likely will remain so under Tata's ownership for the foreseeable future. If that were not the case, you can bet that Jaguar would offer an SUV like everyone else.

Being part of the same company has its advantages. Jaguar could, using Land Rover's resources, easily create a re-designed and re-badged Range Rover to fit into its own range. Development costs would be minimal, as it would share all the underpinnings as the Range Rover. Additionally it could be manufactured on the same production line and be sold at the same dealers as every other Jaguar or Land Rover. The problem is that it would achieve nothing more than cannibalizing Land Rover/Range Rover sales.



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39906 posts, RR: 75
Reply 27, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2271 times:

Quoting zkojq (Reply 26):
Jaguar could, using Land Rover's resources, easily create a re-designed and re-badged Range Rover to fit into its own range. Development costs would be minimal, as it would share all the underpinnings as the Range Rover.

Let's hope they never do that.



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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15781 posts, RR: 27
Reply 28, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2259 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 25):
Not concerned about weight. The Escalade is still a dressed up Chevrolet Suburban and rides like a Suburban and 1500 Silvarado. Not luxurious or classy at all.

So the problem is that SUVs are too practical? Having a three ton vehicle is okay, but not if it's capable of going offroad with a platoon of infantry? Not that there's anything wrong with the Phantom, it's a perfectly luxurious and monolithic car, but if I'm not going to have the interior space of an SUV, I'd much prefer something more athletic.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 27):
Let's hope they never do that.

They don't need to, that's what Land Rover is for. Check out the Evoque, that's your Jag SUV.



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39906 posts, RR: 75
Reply 29, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2256 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 28):
So the problem is that SUVs are too practical?

No.
SUV/trucks should be rugged, not luxurious.
I've rode in Range Rovers, Navigators, Escalades and M-classes and they all ride like a truck which I don't find luxurious.
Sedans & coupes gives you a much more soft & comfortable ride than a truck.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 28):
Having a three ton vehicle is okay, but not if it's capable of going offroad with a platoon of infantry?

How many Cadillac Escalades are doing that? The Escalade is based on the 1500, not the heavy-duty 3500 with diesel engine. I'm all in favor of heavy-duty, athletic vehicles with off-road some capabilities. My favorite is the Ford Excursion and Ford F-350 with dualleys and Powerstroke diesel. The top trim level with those is the Kings Ranch Edition which is still rugged.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 28):
I'd much prefer something more athletic.

I prefer to be pampered in luxury in a 'luxury' car. I want the feel of a whorehouse on wheels.



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User currently offlineual777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 1558 posts, RR: 5
Reply 30, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 2213 times:

This "thing" has lines reminiscent of an old-school London cab.


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User currently offlinePolot From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 2259 posts, RR: 1
Reply 31, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2167 times:

Quoting Pellegrine (Reply 24):
Bentley already made a bespoke SUV for the Sultan of Brunei's clan 15+ years ago. This is a computer mockup.

Its not a computer mockup, its an actual concept car at the Geneva Auto Show.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 22):
I think Jaguar is the last luxury brand to understands that 'luxury' can only be in a sedan, coupe or convertible.
Quoting Superfly (Reply 27):
Let's hope they never do that.

Don't get too comfortable, Jag is rumored to be getting a crossover in the next couple of years. Jaguar officials have been stating that they would like a crossover and want to dramatically expand their line up with "a number of new bodystyles." You can connect the dots from there.


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39906 posts, RR: 75
Reply 32, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2091 times:

Quoting Polot (Reply 31):
Jag is rumored to be getting a crossover in the next couple of years. Jaguar officials have been stating that they would like a crossover and want to dramatically expand their line up with "a number of new bodystyles." You can connect the dots from there.

Nothing is sacred anymore.  



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User currently offlineSpeedbird741 From Portugal, joined Aug 2008, 654 posts, RR: 0
Reply 33, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1995 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 29):
SUV/trucks should be rugged, not luxurious.

Should? Why should they be rugged? Why neglect a market full of GL, ML, Q7, and Range Rover demanders if they want luxurious SUV/trucks. It doesn't make much sense to say that they should be rugged if much less customers would purchase such cars. If you really want to do serious truck jobs, than there are serious trucks to buy such as the G class, the Defender, and the Wrangler.

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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15781 posts, RR: 27
Reply 34, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1986 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 29):
SUV/trucks should be rugged, not luxurious

They can be both.

Quoting Polot (Reply 31):
Don't get too comfortable, Jag is rumored to be getting a crossover in the next couple of years.

They've already been seen testing an XF wagon.



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User currently offlinepetertenthije From Netherlands, joined Jul 2001, 3376 posts, RR: 12
Reply 35, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1981 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 34):
They've already been seen testing an XF wagon

Not just testing either, it's been officially released:

http://www.autoweek.nl/autonieuws/18...sportbrake-verstand-komt-met-jaren



And speaking of new Jaguars, this one is coming to a showroom near you as well!

http://www.autoweek.nl/autonieuws/18858/jaguar-c-x16-komt



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User currently offlinestasisLAX From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3283 posts, RR: 6
Reply 36, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1954 times:

Quoting TSS (Reply 21):
I think it looks more like a pimped-out London taxi.

OK, who left the Porsche Cayenne and the Bentley Continental alone in the bedroom WITHOUT protection?

The Bentley EXP9 is the result.   



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User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10765 posts, RR: 9
Reply 37, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1937 times:

I am a big Bentley fan, but this SUV sucks. SUVs are rubbish anyway if you drive mostly in or around the city, as most of the target group will mostly do. What is the sense of a car, from its concept built for offroad purposes, but carrying a 10.000$ paintjob and rims which would be damaged once you are in rough terrain? And with an interior which would be ruined once you are forced to leave the car in seriously dirty surroundings? So its for show-off only, awful if you ask me. The styling is rather bad anyway, not worthy to carry the Flying B.

They should leave the ill-advised fashion SUV to the creti and pleti brands. If anything is missing in the Bentley range, its an entry model, kind of Continental "light" with a relatively economical engine with 350 hp max. for less than 150k Euros, and a cool estate car.


User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7563 posts, RR: 4
Reply 38, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1863 times:

The interior is stunning, the exterior looks a bit like the Imperial Concept Chrysler showed a few years ago.

http://www.sportcarwallpaper.us/wp-content/gallery/chrysler-imperial/chrysler-imperial-8.jpg


User currently offlineltbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13140 posts, RR: 15
Reply 39, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1850 times:

I wonder if VAG/Bentley has considered this vehicle for the growing need in many countries by the tiny number of super rich for a more literally tank like vehicle for their safety. Vehicles like this would allow better operations to protect the super rich in places with poor roads, an ability to go off-road if have to escape, an ability to load on a lot of protective materials to resist small arms and small bombs. From an article in the current Car and Driver, it notes that China, the fastest growing car market in the world, may set limits based on the size and poor fuel mileage that may cut off importation of such vehicles from their market or for use in cities in the near future.

I think it is just too much vehicle for too few and just a symbol of the stupid excesses of the super rich and offensive to the 99% of the world.


User currently offlineswissy From Switzerland, joined Jan 2005, 1734 posts, RR: 4
Reply 40, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1849 times:

SUV's are a part of our daily lives.... we are living in the new millennium... why do people still have a problem when these "specialty" car manufacturer explore new markets? and appeal to more people?

Design/looks is a different story   but why can't they explore something else ?

If I am on the market for an SUV, why can't I look at a Porsche, Bentley, RR, Aston Martin...? When they build one and fits the bill?

Is it image?

Cheerios


User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7563 posts, RR: 4
Reply 41, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1850 times:

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 39):
I think it is just too much vehicle for too few and just a symbol of the stupid excesses of the super rich and offensive to the 99% of the world.

They are planning on selling 7000 per year, there are many who will buy one, as they say most existing Bentley owners also have a Range Rover, Cayenne or something similar in the garage, the market is there, they will sell by the truckload. Cities like Moscow will be covered in them within 2 years of launch.


User currently offlinestasisLAX From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3283 posts, RR: 6
Reply 42, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1695 times:

Quoting swissy (Reply 40):
Design/looks is a different story but why can't they explore something else ?

Your wish is Bentley's command, it seems. Bentley realizes that the styling of the EXP9 is rather, ummm, love it or hate it, and is now planning to preview another, differently styled version to the public at an upcoming auto show. So if the next SUV is as controversial as the current EXP9 concept vehicle, perhaps Bentley won't build the SUV model at all

Source: http://www.leftlanenews.com/bentley-...ng-on-redesigning-exp-9-f-suv.html



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User currently onlinePellegrine From France, joined Mar 2007, 2468 posts, RR: 8
Reply 43, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 1660 times:

Quoting Polot (Reply 31):
Its not a computer mockup, its an actual concept car at the Geneva Auto Show.

Hmm ok. I feel kinda hmm about it. It's ok, but that's all.



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User currently offlinePC12Fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 2453 posts, RR: 5
Reply 44, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1594 times:

Quoting Jetsgo (Reply 6):
Quoting asuflyer05 (Reply 1):
Talk about an SUV no one is asking for.

Funny, that's what people said about the Porsche Cayenne.

That still don't make it right.   



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User currently offlineswissy From Switzerland, joined Jan 2005, 1734 posts, RR: 4
Reply 45, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 1542 times:

Quoting PC12Fan (Reply 44):

Quoting Jetsgo (Reply 6):
Quoting asuflyer05 (Reply 1):
Talk about an SUV no one is asking for.

Funny, that's what people said about the Porsche Cayenne.

That still don't make it right.

I guess we could make a new topic about right/wrong   and it would easy be the longest in history  

Aston will do well with a good looking SUV...(JC from TG will disagree on that) heck I even like their CYGNET... why not. Good for them pushing into new markets!!!

Cheerios,


User currently offlinePC12Fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 2453 posts, RR: 5
Reply 46, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1536 times:

Quoting swissy (Reply 45):
I guess we could make a new topic about right/wrong and it would easy be the longest in history

It would be titled "The Never Ending Thread".  



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User currently offlineswissy From Switzerland, joined Jan 2005, 1734 posts, RR: 4
Reply 47, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1530 times:

Quoting PC12Fan (Reply 46):
It would be titled "The Never Ending Thread".  

        

And the world beer consumption would increase to levels never thought be possible!!!  

Cheerios & Cheers


User currently offline747400sp From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3677 posts, RR: 2
Reply 48, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1499 times:

This is going to be interesting, a Bentley SUV will be something new to look forward to, in the future.

User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10765 posts, RR: 9
Reply 49, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 1452 times:

Quoting swissy (Reply 40):

SUV's are a part of our daily lives.... we are living in the new millennium... why do people still have a problem when these "specialty" car manufacturer explore new markets? and appeal to more people?

SUVs have been pressed into the market, because manufacturers make more money per car. Okay, given, you cannot press something into the market thats no wanted. But still, its like a fashion in clothing: if you tell often and loud enough, clumsy plateau shoes and wide shoulders are cool, people will buy them (and later laugh at them, when the fashion is over). SUVs are bad for the environment (more metal, more weight, more fuel wasted), do not drive as well as standard sedans or wagons, and mostly are not far from uglyness. Also they are a visual obstacle for standard cars driving behind or parking next to them, their lights are higher up and blinding others, and so on. I feel also more SUV driver behaving bullish in traffic, using their cars size and aggressive looks to force others. Thats why I will continue to lobby against them.

And this Bentley prototype, which btw got more bad press in the past days than any Bentley before, is a particularly tasteless example how to spend a lot of money the wrong way. I am sure, if they make the design better it´ll sell, but if Russian mafioso and other similarly slick clientele attracted by such a car will better Bentley´s good image, I am am very doubtful.


User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7563 posts, RR: 4
Reply 50, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1425 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 28):

They don't need to, that's what Land Rover is for. Check out the Evoque, that's your Jag SUV.

Well you right out of luck with that prediction, Ian Cullum the Jag design head has already indicated that a Jaguar SUV is on the cards, it will be based on the next Range Rover Sport to compete with the X5, Q7, Cayenne, ML. I don't believe it will canabilise Range Rover sales as it will appeal to a slightly different market.

It's also cheap and easy for Jag to make as all the oily bits are already world class and ready to go.


User currently offlineswissy From Switzerland, joined Jan 2005, 1734 posts, RR: 4
Reply 51, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1400 times:

Quoting na (Reply 49):
SUVs have been pressed into the market, because manufacturers make more money per car. Okay, given, you cannot press something into the market thats no wanted. But still, its like a fashion in clothing: if you tell often and loud enough, clumsy plateau shoes and wide shoulders are cool, people will buy them (and later laugh at them, when the fashion is over). SUVs are bad for the environment (more metal, more weight, more fuel wasted), do not drive as well as standard sedans or wagons, and mostly are not far from uglyness. Also they are a visual obstacle for standard cars driving behind or parking next to them, their lights are higher up and blinding others, and so on. I feel also more SUV driver behaving bullish in traffic, using their cars size and aggressive looks to force others. Thats why I will continue to lobby against them.

SUV's might be a newer arrival in Europe just like perhaps mini vans.... Over here in North America? around for a long time... sure these off roaders lost their off road ruggedness because they spend now 99.9999% on paved roads  

I prefer sitting up high because these people driving these sedans and pocket size cars like they are tanks  and turn on a dime. Do not care what is happening behind my "ugly" R350 because I worry more what is going on in front of me  

If I have to move a family of 6-7 I would need 2 vehicles   there is always the exception NA   a vehicle is only as efficient as the designers & engineers make them! And the driver who drives the vehicle  

I find it very refreshing Bentley looking at other markets....

cheerios,


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39906 posts, RR: 75
Reply 52, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1300 times:

Quoting na (Reply 49):
SUVs have been pressed into the market, because manufacturers make more money per car. Okay, given, you cannot press something into the market thats no wanted. But still, its like a fashion in clothing: if you tell often and loud enough, clumsy plateau shoes and wide shoulders are cool, people will buy them (and later laugh at them, when the fashion is over). SUVs are bad for the environment (more metal, more weight, more fuel wasted), do not drive as well as standard sedans or wagons, and mostly are not far from uglyness. Also they are a visual obstacle for standard cars driving behind or parking next to them, their lights are higher up and blinding others, and so on. I feel also more SUV driver behaving bullish in traffic, using their cars size and aggressive looks to force others. Thats why I will continue to lobby against them.

This is one of those rare moments that I agree with Na on a car related topic.

Quoting 747400sp (Reply 48):
a Bentley SUV will be something new to look forward to, in the future.

...in the same way I look forward to wearing depends.   

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 41):
Cities like Moscow will be covered in them within 2 years of launch.

Not exactly a shining example of class & sophistication. If you said London, Paris, New York or Tokyo, then I'd be impressed.



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User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7563 posts, RR: 4
Reply 53, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1299 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 52):
Not exactly a shining example of class & sophistication. If you said London, Paris, New York or Tokyo, then I'd be impressed.

And Moscow isn't sophisticated? It has hotels and restaurants and shopping to match any city on your list.


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39906 posts, RR: 75
Reply 54, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1295 times:

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 53):
And Moscow isn't sophisticated? It has hotels and restaurants and shopping to match any city on your list.

Sure it does but it's new money.



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User currently offlineiakobos From Belgium, joined Aug 2003, 3313 posts, RR: 35
Reply 55, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 1269 times:

Quoting na (Reply 49):
but if Russian mafioso and other similarly slick clientele attracted by such a car will better Bentley´s good image, I am am very doubtful.

That was foreseen, that ugly thing on wheels, with fog lamps that look like WW2 loudspeakers and no decent area to enjoy the smell of the leather with your (girl)friend has been built around the bar at the back.
A mobile vodka dispenser it is.
Davaï !


User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7563 posts, RR: 4
Reply 56, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1198 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 54):
Sure it does but it's new money.

money is money, but I prefer people who made it themselves than those who got it from dad.


User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15781 posts, RR: 27
Reply 57, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1185 times:

Quoting na (Reply 49):
SUVs are bad for the environment (more metal, more weight, more fuel wasted),

Quite possibly the biggest reason for the rise of the SUV is environmental regulations. People buy SUVs for the exact same reasons that they always bought full size cars, which were essentially legislated out of existence. It all could have been avoided had the government not stuck their nose where it didn't belong and let consumers and the manufacturers determine what does and doesn't get built.

Quoting na (Reply 49):
Thats why I will continue to lobby against them.

You can't seriously advocate that they be regulated or banned? That would be incredibly restrictive on personal freedom. You don't have to like them or buy them, but you can't tell me or anyone else that I can't.

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 50):
Ian Cullum the Jag design head has already indicated that a Jaguar SUV is on the cards, it will be based on the next Range Rover Sport to compete with the X5, Q7, Cayenne, ML. I don't believe it will canabilise Range Rover sales as it will appeal to a slightly different market

I'm sure that it will look nice and they do have access to a very nice parts bin, but I'm not sure how they will differentiate it from the Range Rovers, but if they think they can do it, best of luck to them. I can't wait to see it.

Quoting swissy (Reply 51):
sure these off roaders lost their off road ruggedness because they spend now 99.9999% on paved roads

It's because CAFE and the gas guzzler tax has kept manufacturers from building large cars and station wagons. Consumers of course still wanted them, so they went out and bought SUVs and crossovers instead.

You have to understand that SUVs and the full size cars co-existed for decades. Broncos, Scouts, Jeeps, and Suburbans were around before any oil crisis, but were a relatively small part of the market. The SUV market exploded when legislators torpedoed the large cars and station wagons.

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 56):
money is money,

  



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User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7563 posts, RR: 4
Reply 58, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1177 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 57):
Quite possibly the biggest reason for the rise of the SUV is environmental regulations. People buy SUVs for the exact same reasons that they always bought full size cars, which were essentially legislated out of existence. It all could have been avoided had the government not stuck their nose where it didn't belong and let consumers and the manufacturers determine what does and doesn't get built.

SUV's should be brought in under the CAFE regulations, it's a massive loop hole that should be closed.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 57):
I'm sure that it will look nice and they do have access to a very nice parts bin, but I'm not sure how they will differentiate it from the Range Rovers, but if they think they can do it, best of luck to them. I can't wait to see it.

It won't be competing with the Range Rover, it sits in a market all on it's own IMO, what it will compete with is the Range Rover Sport, which is what it will be based on, but I don't think Tatar will really care, IMO there are Range Rover Sport buyers and Jaguar buyers, some Jaguar buyers may never have condiered buying an SUV, but they might it it's a Jaguar SUV, RR Sport buyers are the kind who like bling, Jaguar isn't in that market.


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39906 posts, RR: 75
Reply 59, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1179 times:

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 56):
money is money,

True.

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 56):
I prefer people who made it themselves than those who got it from dad.

Crooks? Internet hackers?

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 57):
Quite possibly the biggest reason for the rise of the SUV is environmental regulations. People buy SUVs for the exact same reasons that they always bought full size cars, which were essentially legislated out of existence. It all could have been avoided had the government not stuck their nose where it didn't belong and let consumers and the manufacturers determine what does and doesn't get built.

  

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 57):
It's because CAFE and the gas guzzler tax has kept manufacturers from building large cars and station wagons. Consumers of course still wanted them, so they went out and bought SUVs and crossovers instead.

Very true and the last generation of those large, full-sized sedans and wagons were getting great fuel economy for cars their size.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 57):
You have to understand that SUVs and the full size cars co-existed for decades. Broncos, Scouts, Jeeps, and Suburbans were around before any oil crisis, but were a relatively small part of the market. The SUV market exploded when legislators torpedoed the large cars and station wagons.

  
....and people who bought those SUVs way back then needed them!



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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15781 posts, RR: 27
Reply 60, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1174 times:

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 58):
SUV's should be brought in under the CAFE regulations, it's a massive loop hole that should be closed.

No, they should remove those laws and let consumers decide what they want to buy and fill with gas.



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User currently offlineswissy From Switzerland, joined Jan 2005, 1734 posts, RR: 4
Reply 61, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1154 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 57):
It's because CAFE and the gas guzzler tax has kept manufacturers from building large cars and station wagons. Consumers of course still wanted them, so they went out and bought SUVs and crossovers instead.
Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 58):
SUV's should be brought in under the CAFE regulations, it's a massive loop hole that should be closed.

What about the rest... like the 18 wheeler s???? I do believe manufacturer could do much better then they are today. Even "big" engines are much more fuel efficient today than yesterday.... It does not mean that if you build something big it has to be irresponsible...

cheerios,


User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7563 posts, RR: 4
Reply 62, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1150 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 59):
Crooks? Internet hackers?

How many families with old money came by there fortunes honestly?

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 60):
No, they should remove those laws and let consumers decide what they want to buy and fill with gas.

Disagree here, sometimes the govt just has to step in to regulate the market otherwise we'd all be driving around in cars without seatbelts, aribags, crumple zones, abs brakes, since it's not a problem to regulate for safety then it shouldn't be a problem to regulate for fuel economy, ergo SUV's need to be brought in under CAFE.


User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10765 posts, RR: 9
Reply 63, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1138 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 57):
You can't seriously advocate that they be regulated or banned?

Certainly not. But everywhere I´m asked I´ll say SUVs are stupid ugly bulky "ego-shooters".

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 56):
money is money, but I prefer people who made it themselves than those who got it from dad.

Yes and no, because a lot depends on HOW that money has been made. Making money as such is not something I admire someone for. Many nouveau-riche made it by being reckless and greedy. And many who made millions themselves dont have taste. Rich AND tasteless is a very bad combination. I´d rather have a well-mannered 10th generation baron as a friend than a self-made Russian oligarch.


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39906 posts, RR: 75
Reply 64, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1126 times:

Quoting na (Reply 63):
But everywhere I´m asked I´ll say SUVs are stupid ugly bulky "ego-shooters".

Mainly the luxury SUVs because they will NEVER EVER be used as a 'sport' or 'utility' vehicle. At least those who buy Jeep Wrangler, Ford F-series trucks and Expeditions and Excursions use them for their intended purpose.

Quoting na (Reply 63):
I´d rather have a well-mannered 10th generation baron as a friend than a self-made Russian oligarch.

So you'd rather be friends with George W. Bush?   
At least the self-made Russian oligarch will have lots of really attractive women and plenty of vodka to go around. 
Jokes aside, I totally understand where you are coming from.
Speaking of wealthy Russians, it's too bad that they aren't buying the Zil and Gaz and Volga as much anymore. On my short stay in Moscow, one of the highlights was seeing a beautiful Zil - 41047.
I was far more impressed by seeing the Zil - 41047 over the cliché Mercedes and BMWs. I can see those anywhere.
I hope Zil develops the 4112 sedan in the future.



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User currently offlineswissy From Switzerland, joined Jan 2005, 1734 posts, RR: 4
Reply 65, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1123 times:

Quoting na (Reply 63):
Yes and no, because a lot depends on HOW that money has been made. Making money as such is not something I admire someone for. Many nouveau-riche made it by being reckless and greedy. And many who made millions themselves dont have taste. Rich AND tasteless is a very bad combination. I´d rather have a well-mannered 10th generation baron as a friend than a self-made Russian oligarch.

I am 100% with you on that... I general all over the world... I call them "wanna be's", sure it shows it more in eastern Europe but we got them here in Canada/US... too. You do not read much in Europe/World about the aristocrats were bigger/lavish rules like it does for the "wanna be's"....

Cheerios,


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39906 posts, RR: 75
Reply 66, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1120 times:

Quoting swissy (Reply 65):
You do not read much in Europe/World about the aristocrats were bigger/lavish rules like it does for the "wanna be's"....

You really need to see the new money here in the far-east, particularly here in Thailand, as well as China and I'm sure in a few other developing Asian countries. There are tacky new monied people here too that have zero class but a ton of money. I'm not talking about tourist, I'm talking about the local population that is new money. I can go on and on about the tackyness of the new money here! They make the McMansion crowd in the US look sophisticated.



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User currently offlineswissy From Switzerland, joined Jan 2005, 1734 posts, RR: 4
Reply 67, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1116 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 66):
You really need to see the new money here in the far-east, particularly here in Thailand, as well as China and I'm sure in a few other developing Asian countries. There are tacky new monied people here too that have zero class but a ton of money. I'm not talking about tourist, I'm talking about the local population that is new money. I can go on and on about the tackyness of the new money here! They make the McMansion crowd in the US look sophisticated.

  

Exactly my point  ... I was in the middle East a long long time ago and I was shocked what I saw, 40-50 years ago it was just sand... and look at it now... it looks like "wanna be's" are rolling across the globe like a tsunami  

Cheerios,


User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15781 posts, RR: 27
Reply 68, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1083 times:

Quoting swissy (Reply 61):
What about the rest... like the 18 wheeler s????

Those need the regulations the least. They drive all the time and they do it for their livelihood so they need the government telling them they need to save fuel less than anyone else. Every drop of fuel they save is more money in the owner's pocket. Get some idiot congressmen standing up saying that trucks need to save fuel there's a good chance that truckers will reply "no shit."

I will say that the tax structure needs to change. Trucks need to be taxed by other means, possibly a tracking system, so that diesel taxes can be brought in line with gas taxes.

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 62):
Disagree here, sometimes the govt just has to step in to regulate the market otherwise we'd all be driving around in cars without seatbelts, aribags, crumple zones, abs brakes

Those things were all on their way in anyway, government regulation only sped it up a bit. People don't need the government to tell them they should use less fuel. They see it every time they fill up.

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 62):
since it's not a problem to regulate for safety then it shouldn't be a problem to regulate for fuel economy

It is a problem since the line should be drawn at safety. You shouldn't be able to sell an unsafe product, but after that anything goes.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 64):
Speaking of wealthy Russians, it's too bad that they aren't buying the Zil and Gaz and Volga as much anymore.

There is a reason why Communism fell.



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User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7563 posts, RR: 4
Reply 69, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1073 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 64):
At least those who buy Jeep Wrangler, Ford F-series trucks and Expeditions and Excursions use them for their intended purpose.

I bet you'll find most non commercial buyers of those vehicles never use them for there intended purposes.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 68):

Those things were all on their way in anyway, government regulation only sped it up a bit.

The simple fact that regulation sped up these items and made them standard equipment has probably saved millions of lives. CAFE if SUV's are added will lower your consumption of oil, btw it's far to cheap in the US.


User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15781 posts, RR: 27
Reply 70, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1068 times:

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 69):
The simple fact that regulation sped up these items and made them standard equipment has probably saved millions of lives.

Even safety is questionable from a regulation standpoint. As long as the consumer is well informed, why can't I drive something that is less safe? Motorcycles are more likely to kill a rider than cars, but we don't see any initiatives to ban them. For that matter, helmet laws are a similar deal. Part of living in a free country is the freedom to do dumb things.

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 69):
CAFE if SUV's are added will lower your consumption of oil, btw it's far to cheap in the US.

All the president has to do is say the word and the carriers and soldiers go away, so there's nothing keeping us there. As far as this "giving money to people who hate us" argument, I just don't care. They do their business, I do mine. It doesn't matter. And, until we actually utilize all of the resources in this country, I have no time to even listen to foreign oil arguments.



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User currently offlineswissy From Switzerland, joined Jan 2005, 1734 posts, RR: 4
Reply 71, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 1061 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 68):
Those need the regulations the least. They drive all the time and they do it for their livelihood so they need the government telling them they need to save fuel less than anyone else. Every drop of fuel they save is more money in the owner's pocket. Get some idiot congressmen standing up saying that trucks need to save fuel there's a good chance that truckers will reply "no shit."

And that is why there is no more push from the truckers towards the manufacturers making these trucks way more efficient ...however some stricter regulations would do the trick too. I am aware the truckers keep us fed and take care on our daily needs bringing the goods needed to everyone   but that fact should not be used as an excuse   for not do more or better...

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 70):
And, until we actually utilize all of the resources in this country, I have no time to even listen to foreign oil arguments.

Agree with you... lets start utilizing these resources whatever they are... oil, gas, sea weeds, h2.... the sky is the limit  

Cheerios,


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39906 posts, RR: 75
Reply 72, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 1027 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 68):
There is a reason why Communism fell.

I was thinking with all of the nationalism that is sweeping across Russia, there would be some pride in buying Russian products.

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 69):
I bet you'll find most non commercial buyers of those vehicles never use them for there intended purposes.

That's the thing, many of those Ford trucks & SUVs I listed are used as commercial vehicles and private owners with small boats, horses, campers or go off road buy the Ford trucks I listed.
There are NO SUVs by Mercedes, BMW, Cadillac or Acura being used as a 'sport' or 'utility' vehicle - in North America at least.

[Edited 2012-03-12 19:16:01]


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User currently offlineswissy From Switzerland, joined Jan 2005, 1734 posts, RR: 4
Reply 73, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 1007 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 72):
There are NO SUVs by Mercedes, BMW, Cadillac or Acura being used as a 'sport' or 'utility' vehicle - in North America at least.

Yep you are right!!! they use MB, BMW, Audi sedans/wagons with diesel engines to do that    Wow! my heart is bleeding every time I see them on the Autobahn   Aside that Superfly, I grew up in Europe and MB,BMW or Audi's were never considered as luxury vehicle like it is over here in North America, have seen them all even being used as simple taxis...these American land boats were way more impressive in my younger years!!! LOL

Cheerios,


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39906 posts, RR: 75
Reply 74, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 999 times:

Quoting swissy (Reply 73):
Aside that Superfly, I grew up in Europe and MB,BMW or Audi's were never considered as luxury vehicle like it is over here in North America, have seen them all even being used as simple taxis...

It's funny when I hear some Americans say that Europe is so more superior than the US because they use Mercedes as taxis. Little do they know is that Mercedes taxis are stripped down models not sold in the US and many are unaware that Mercedes makes trucks, vans and other unglamorous vehicles.



As far as Bently goes, I didn't think they would need to build this monstrosity to stay in business.



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User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6726 posts, RR: 12
Reply 75, posted (2 years 7 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 960 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 60):
No, they should remove those laws and let consumers decide what they want to buy and fill with gas.

I agree. Instead they could put 70% taxes on gas like here, to pay for oil wars.

Shouldn't change the sales of this thing, though.



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