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Payton Manning To Be Released By Colts  
User currently offlineltbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13040 posts, RR: 12
Posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3077 times:

Apparently as of Wednesday, long time star QB of the Indianapolis Colts will be released.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/76...olts-part-peyton-manning-wednesday

Unable to play all of last year, with serious problems with his neck, maybe not able to play at the level he would need, owed something like $28 Million if he continued, the need for cap room dumping him to get the 20 other players they need and with the 1st pick in the draft, all led to this not surprising decision.

One has to wonder with the growing knowledge of the New Orleans 'bounty' scandal, the number of hard hits Payton took and the fear that one more hit could cripple him has added to the Colt's decision.

Still it is a sad day. One has to wonder if he will go to another team, desperate for a QB they would take the risk on him or if he will just go off into retirement. It will be interesting to see what happens in the next several months.

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User currently onlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15719 posts, RR: 26
Reply 1, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3063 times:

Quoting ltbewr (Thread starter):
One has to wonder with the growing knowledge of the New Orleans 'bounty' scandal, the number of hard hits Payton took and the fear that one more hit could cripple him has added to the Colt's decision.

No. The reason he is being released is that he is 35 and Andrew Luck is as good a QB prospect as we've seen in the last few years.

Quoting ltbewr (Thread starter):
One has to wonder if he will go to another team,

If he wants to he will have that chance. You're talking about a league where some truly awful quarterbacks have made it onto the field.



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User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11217 posts, RR: 52
Reply 2, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3059 times:

Quoting ltbewr (Thread starter):
One has to wonder with the growing knowledge of the New Orleans 'bounty' scandal, the number of hard hits Payton took and the fear that one more hit could cripple him has added to the Colt's decision.

There's almost no connection between these two things.


But yes, say hello to Washington Redskins quarterback Peyton Manning.



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User currently onlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15719 posts, RR: 26
Reply 3, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3052 times:

Quoting D L X (Reply 2):
But yes, say hello to Washington Redskins quarterback Peyton Manning.

He's on the downside of his career, but he won't have to resort to dealing with Dan Snyder just yet.

Quoting D L X (Reply 2):
There's almost no connection between these two things.

There is absolutely no connection. Defensive players do not need bounties to go try and beat the snot out of opposing QBs. Frankly, I'd be kind of surprised if there weren't at least several other teams with bounty programs of some sort and furthermore, I feel rather hypocritical issuing strong condemnations of the practice.



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User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13518 posts, RR: 62
Reply 4, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3047 times:
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Quoting D L X (Reply 2):
But yes, say hello to Washington Redskins quarterback Peyton Manning.

I think you meant to say Arizona Cardinals QB Peyton Manning.  



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User currently offlinecanoecarrier From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2839 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3033 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 1):
No. The reason he is being released is that he is 35 and Andrew Luck is as good a QB prospect as we've seen in the last few years.

Have you seen Robert Griffin III play yet? I've seen Luck and RG3 play and he could be one of the best players at that position in years. Remember the year Payton came out there was this guy from Washington State Ryan Leaf that was the best prospect in years as well.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 1):
If he wants to he will have that chance. You're talking about a league where some truly awful quarterbacks have made it onto the field.

I think Manning will find a place to play too. Kurt Warner came from nowhere to take Arizona to the playoffs a couple years ago in his mid-late 30's.



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User currently offlineQFA380 From Australia, joined Jul 2005, 2060 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3024 times:

The Colts need a QB they can rely on, they're one of my favourite teams but last year was just depressing, when the entire team falls apart without the QB, hopefully they can get some good players with the money they save from Manning

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 3):
Frankly, I'd be kind of surprised if there weren't at least several other teams with bounty programs of some sort and furthermore, I feel rather hypocritical issuing strong condemnations of the practice.

Its hard to condemn teams for rewarding players for big hits to the point of injury when the whole reason many watch the sport is for the big hits.

I was somewhat surprised to learn through this that players aren't allowed to be given bonuses for fumbles and interceptions. Is it only that offensive players can be rewarded for touchdowns and yards but when a defensive player does their job well they can't be rewarded.


User currently offlineCASINTEREST From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4510 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3021 times:

OK everyone.....it's Peyton, not Payton.

Indianapolis needs to rebuild, Releasing Peyton has to be a part of that plan, especially considering his age, salary cap and the issues surrounding talent and coaching in Indianapolis. I sincerely beleive through that he will play next year, and play well for whatever team goes after him. I think Washington has the most cash and reason to go after him, but Arizona and Miami have a great field of recievers that Peyton could dominate with.

It's a shame for the fans in Indianapolis that things went the way that they did, as i truly wish that Peyton could finish where he started, but this Indianapolis orgaization is no loinger any semblence of what it once was.



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User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13518 posts, RR: 62
Reply 8, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3017 times:
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Quoting canoecarrier (Reply 5):
I think Manning will find a place to play too. Kurt Warner came from nowhere to take Arizona to the playoffs a couple years ago in his mid-late 30's.

The Arizona Cardinals will gladly take Manning! Reports say they're among the top, if not THE top place for him to land:

- New indoor facility
- Willingness to pay him
- 1,000 yard RB
- Larry Fitzgerald wants him

Thing is, the Cardinals have to exercise their option on Kolb by March 17th, so there's a limited window of opportunity here.



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User currently offlinecanoecarrier From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2839 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2968 times:

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 8):
The Arizona Cardinals will gladly take Manning! Reports say they're among the top, if not THE top place for him to land:

I hope so. Coming from the midwest I can't stand the Seahawks. He's been consistent the entire time he's been in the league. If he's healthy enough to play, I hope wherever he lands there's an OC that gives him a long leash like he used to have in Indy to call his own plays.



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User currently offlineMudboy From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1167 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2951 times:

I think this is the sad state of Pro sports, that when it comes down to it, Football is just a business, and there is no loyalty to a player that put a franchise back on the map. Face it, Indianapolis would probably not have hosted a Super Bowl, if it were not for Manning, although I could be wrong? It is sad how quickly fans forget what a player has done for their city and team. I have no doubts that Manning would have stayed with the Colts until the end, had they wanted him. I wish him the best of luck wherever he goes, and hope they beat the crap out of the Colts, eveytime they play them.

User currently onlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15719 posts, RR: 26
Reply 11, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2947 times:

Quoting Mudboy (Reply 10):
It is sad how quickly fans forget what a player has done for their city and team.

Manning has plenty of loyalty and appreciation sitting in various bank accounts. This isn't a one way street, but it doesn't really matter. Business is business.

Quoting Mudboy (Reply 10):
I have no doubts that Manning would have stayed with the Colts until the end, had they wanted him.

Tell him he gets to hold a clipboard for Luck and see how happy he is with that. This really is the best for everyone involved.

The team cannot put their future on hold for some fairy tale ending to Manning's career, and even that would be unlikely since they need to be revamped at other positions as well. More likely Manning would have just been the most visible piece of a team slowly but surely fading away trying to take one last shot at winning. That would have been an ending more sad than this one. The team needs to focus on the future and do what they need to do in order to get back to where they were, and it's likely that Manning will not be capable of taking them there by the time the rest of the team gets rebuilt. Manning gets to go somewhere where presumably he will have a real shot at winning, and the Colts get to move on.

And one more thing: why are the Colts of all teams the one expected to value "loyalty" over business and winning?



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User currently offlineMudboy From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1167 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2942 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 11):
Manning has plenty of loyalty and appreciation sitting in various bank accounts. This isn't a one way street, but it doesn't really matter. Business is business.

I hate to tell you this, but the Colts were Manning, and without him, they are the Cleveland Browns or some other small market team. Manning made the Colts what they are and everything they had, what were they before him, and what were they without him this year? Manning deserves every penny he made for that team. How many #1 Draft pics have flopped, since Manning was one, only time will tell, if they made the right decision? My Uncle lives in Indy, and I remember him telling me that before Manning, they could not give away season tickets, welcome back to that Indy fans, and I happen to be one. I am taking my loyalty to wherever Manning signs, screw the Colts.
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User currently onlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15719 posts, RR: 26
Reply 13, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2931 times:

Quoting Mudboy (Reply 12):
I hate to tell you this, but the Colts were Manning,

And in the future they will be Andrew Luck. That's the goal. The days of the Manning Colts were coming to an end regardless; the injury, horrendous season, and subsequent top draft pick have given the Colts a golden opportunity. In the NFL to compete you need a franchise quarterback and the Colts have the chance to jump from one to the next. Manning's days as an elite quarterback were quickly coming to an end, injury or no injury.

Quoting Mudboy (Reply 12):
they are the Cleveland Browns or some other small market team.

   With the salary cap and subsequent parity, that argument doesn't work so well for the NFL as other leagues. Green Bay, New Orleans, and Pittsburgh don't seem to have much trouble competing. The correlation is not market size, it's having a top quarterback and quality management.

Quoting Mudboy (Reply 12):
Manning made the Colts what they are and everything they had, what were they before him, and what were they without him this year?

What would they be if they keep Manning with that aging roster for another two or three years? Right in the blob of NFL mediocrity without a young quarterback.

Quoting Mudboy (Reply 12):
My Uncle lives in Indy, and I remember him telling me that before Manning, they could not give away season tickets,

How easily do you think he could move tickets in 2015 with a Manning-less Colts team that didn't have an heir either? (There was no way they'd have played out his current deal without it becoming an albatross)



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User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13518 posts, RR: 62
Reply 14, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2930 times:
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Quoting Mudboy (Reply 12):
I hate to tell you this, but the Colts were Manning, and without him...

...they may still be phenomenally successful.

Or not.

Time will tell.



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User currently offlineJakeOrion From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1253 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2930 times:

I wonder if Denver or Kansas City will make a move for him. I wouldn't mind him being in our division; he's an interception machine when he plays against San Diego. 


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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 16, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2924 times:

Quoting Mudboy (Reply 10):
there is no loyalty to a player that put a franchise back on the map.

That is true. Shaun Alexander is a great example of this, and dissed the Seahawks after the franchise tag. I think franchise tags are stupid.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 1):
Andrew Luck is as good a QB prospect as we've seen in the last few years.

There is no guarantee that Luck will be a Colt. The folks in Indy may be looking at someone else... You never know.... Stranger things have happened.



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User currently offlinefxramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7197 posts, RR: 85
Reply 17, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2864 times:
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Payton or Peyton he's not needed with the Colts anymore. Move on and finish your HOF career elsewhere. My pick for his new home is the Jets and my darkhorse outside chance is the Titans.

User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12359 posts, RR: 25
Reply 18, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2843 times:

Quoting ltbewr (Thread starter):
all led to this not surprising decision

If it weren't suprising, we wouldn't be discussing it.

Quoting ltbewr (Thread starter):
One has to wonder with the growing knowledge of the New Orleans 'bounty' scandal, the number of hard hits Payton took and the fear that one more hit could cripple him has added to the Colt's decision.

I wouldn't have pulled the bounty scandal into it per se, but they must know a lot about his medical condition and surely watching a paralyzed Peyton being carted off would put the Colts fans into mass depression. Even if not paralyzed, we've seen what the Colts are like without him, and it's not pretty.

Quoting ltbewr (Thread starter):
Still it is a sad day. One has to wonder if he will go to another team, desperate for a QB they would take the risk on him or if he will just go off into retirement. It will be interesting to see what happens in the next several months.

Agreed. He's got enough money in the bank to say to heck with it. If he's PO'd about how he's being treated, he can start law suits against the NFL, the Saints from Benson on down, and Williams personally. Certainly the Saints organization failed at preventing its employees from breaking NFL rules. Add in a few other injured players, get a class action going, use conspiracy theory to link in the NFL, and Peyton can have a nice after-career hobby: suing the NFL.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 1):
No. The reason he is being released is that he is 35 and Andrew Luck is as good a QB prospect as we've seen in the last few years.

Key word there being "prospect". It's not like when the Pats kicked Bledsoe to the curb after seeing what Brady could do in the big games. They are taking a big risk, but I have to agree it's the right thing for the francise to do.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 1):
If he wants to he will have that chance. You're talking about a league where some truly awful quarterbacks have made it onto the field.

Bledsoe went to Buffalo and Dallas and never got it done.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 3):
There is absolutely no connection. Defensive players do not need bounties to go try and beat the snot out of opposing QBs.

Sure, they do not need them, but they sure do provide both financial incentive (yes, a football player still can get his jollies for $1k) and the recognition of his peers, so they are a big issue.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 3):
Frankly, I'd be kind of surprised if there weren't at least several other teams with bounty programs of some sort and furthermore, I feel rather hypocritical issuing strong condemnations of the practice.

I agree others do it. These are just the ones who got caught, and they will be made an example of. That too is business.

Quoting Mudboy (Reply 10):
Football is just a business, and there is no loyalty to a player that put a franchise back on the map. Face it, Indianapolis would probably not have hosted a Super Bowl, if it were not for Manning, although I could be wrong?
Quoting Mudboy (Reply 12):
I hate to tell you this, but the Colts were Manning, and without him, they are the Cleveland Browns or some other small market team.

Reggie Wayne, Marvin Harrison, Edgerin James, and many many others show that getting Manning was not a fluke. The Colts have done well at picking talent. The Browns absolutely have not.

You should look at it the other way: Why do Cleveland and Cincy suck so bad year after year? Why does Green Bay show up in the playoffs so often? It's not about the market size.



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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21530 posts, RR: 55
Reply 19, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2830 times:

Quoting fxramper (Reply 17):
My pick for his new home is the Jets

Don't want him - we've already got a decent quarterback, and those don't grow on trees. Not worth giving up on Sanchez just so that we might get the vintage Peyton (which there's no proof of, and even if he is 100% to start the season, there's no proof he'll be at 100% at the end).

Go to Arizona, Peyton. Or Washington. Don't go to Miami.

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User currently offlineslider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6787 posts, RR: 34
Reply 20, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2815 times:

It's better to release a player one year too early than one year too late.

Time waits for no one. It's a young man's game.


User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12359 posts, RR: 25
Reply 21, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2797 times:

It'll be interesting to see if Peyton doesn't retire, how well will he fit in to whatever new system he finds himself in.

He's been very much a system quarterback his entire career.

He's going to have to find a team that can adapt to him, or at least meet him half way.

It'll be interesting to see if his competitive urges as well as the cash overcome the natural urge to not want to go somewhere else, learn a new system (or teach his to them), and risk that one (bounty-induced or otherwise) shot that might put him into a wheelchair for life.



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User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8191 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2792 times:

After going through my second cervical discectomy last year I think it is intelligent for him to take a hard look at any additional risk his neck presents - especially for the long term future.

Obviously the guy has sufficient funds and retiring probably isn't going to impact his way of life.

Just as obvious the guy loves playing the game.

That brings up some difficult choices and I'll simply wish him the best and will wait for his decision.


User currently onlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15719 posts, RR: 26
Reply 23, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2777 times:

Quoting Revelation (Reply 18):
It's not like when the Pats kicked Bledsoe to the curb after seeing what Brady could do in the big games.

Brady was also a seventh round pick. There is more reason to be optimistic about Luck than there was right when Brady showed up. Furthermore, the Pats had everything else in place so the "win now" mentality made more sense. The Colts, on the other hand, have to revamp most of their roster and by the time they do that Manning will be all but finished. Manning would be a nice pickup for a team that's missing only a QB (like Houston or San Francisco) but keeping him made no sense for Indy.

Quoting Revelation (Reply 18):
I have to agree it's the right thing for the francise to do.

Of course it is. You can maybe disagree with how they did it, but you have to be football stupid to say that this is the wrong move for the team.



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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 24, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2757 times:

Quoting Revelation (Reply 18):
Bledsoe went to Buffalo and Dallas and never got it done.

Could we add Matt Leinart to the list? I fear that Jake Locker might end up on this list as well......

Quoting Mir (Reply 19):
Go to Arizona, Peyton. Or Washington. Don't go to Miami.

I hope he does not go to Seattle! Seattle doesn't need him.



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25 Revelation : Mark Sanchez gets one more bite at the (big?) apple before he gets put on the list, IMHO.
26 EA CO AS : The Jets aren't getting him; that rumor won't die only because ESPN executives keep furiously applying the defibrillator to it. The best candidates ar
27 Mir : Guy's had more good years than bad years. This past season wasn't entirely his fault, too - the failings of the 2011 Jets are many, and well chronicl
28 BMI727 : There's a pretty good chance he will never even be as good as Eli.
29 Post contains links Revelation : I'm willing to go that far. His big problem this year is that he's in the middle of all that turmoil, and if the Jets don't turn it around, chances a
30 AirframeAS : He was better than Eli until he missed all of last season. I think this is now the downhill for Peyton. If I were Peyton, I would retire to keep my d
31 Revelation : I imagine so, but it seems that isn't the way athletes think. They don't want to leave any earlier then they have to. Look at Brett Farve going to NY
32 BMI727 : I was talking about Sanchez, who is basically a taller Rex Grossman. ...well flicker a bit anyway.
33 Mir : Eli was almost ridden out of town before he won the first Super Bowl. It takes time for young quarterbacks to develop. And let's face it - half of Sa
34 AirframeAS : And ANY NFL team for that matter.
35 par13del : On the release of Manning the primary thing I take away is the "delusion" that players still seem to live under, that loyalty is somehow still a part
36 Revelation : Pretty much like every other job. In jobs requiring physical skills, either you find a way into being a supervisor/manager, or you are out. In knowle
37 Post contains links CASINTEREST : http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vid...sIllustrated/index.html?xid=cnnbin Here is a pretty good interview with Peter King of SI. He thinks Miami is th
38 corocks : I think there is no way that he goes to the Jets or the Redskins. He already has said he would not play in the NFC East because he does not want to ta
39 Mir : A career of all of three years. Eli wasn't much better (passer rating of 77) after his third season. -Mir
40 corocks : You said he was not a bad quarterback. Right now he is a bad quarterback - I am not saying he cannot be good in the future. After three years, no one
41 Mir : He took his team to the AFC championship game two years in a row. That's not bad. -Mir
42 starbuk7 : I still question whether Payton will be able to play again. Nothing has been said about his condition, if he can take another hard hit and still be ab
43 AirframeAS : I think the Colts did the right thing by waiving him. They saw a risk and did not want to continue with Manning with the risk and fear that they have
44 Mir : I heard similar logic applied to other teams as well - if he knew this was coming (and you have to assume he did), why did he not have workouts with
45 AirframeAS : If I may add: And he may be considering retirement.....
46 PSA53 : I was going one step further.....next entry I do,too.For the heck of it ,if I we're SAN,I give Payton a long contract for offensive coach position wi
47 corocks : The new collective bargaining agreement prohibits veterans from working out for teams before the beginning of April. It was an issue since his bonus w
48 ltbewr : It seems he is going to try to continue to be a star QB. I would suspect he would choose a Florida or Texas team if for any other reason that they don
49 Revelation : Good point. I guess the next point would be to pick the team with the better offensive line, so he doesn't end up getting pounded into the ground eve
50 par13del : This should be his primary concern, that's why some say San Fran is a good fit, good o line for running, he should consider being a play action quart
51 Post contains images Pellegrine : NFL is the modern day Roman gladiators. If players want to fuck up their bodies for X millions that's on them. But, let us not get confused here. He i
52 Post contains links Revelation : Events are proving you right. The Jets just extended Sanchez for a total of five years for what is said to be $27 Mill guaranteed, $58M total. That k
53 BMI727 : Wow. Dan Snyder is such a dumbass. First he is an asshat of such magnitude as to make Manning not even consider the Redskins and then he overpays on
54 ltbewr : That Denver apparently had a serious meeting with Peyton is an interesting development. Perhaps Peyton has a lot of respect for Elway. Still, I wonder
55 STT757 : One of the quiet favorites is Houston, it's going to be Houston or Miami in my opinion.
56 BMI727 : That's what I've been wondering throughout this whole process: what the hell are Houston and San Francisco doing? Those are both teams that have pret
57 EA CO AS : The Texans have already publicly stated they're not interested. It's either Arizona or Miami.
58 JakeOrion : Ehhhh I dunno about that. Maybe Baltimore would make a move on him if management realizes Joe Flacco is letting that franchise down. They have an exc
59 Mir : He was never going to go there anyway. Peyton and Eli are big into not overshadowing each other, and having them in the same division would be a prob
60 EA CO AS : They could try, but Manning wants warm weather and a dome. Baltimore has neither.
61 Post contains links Revelation : http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/76...yton-manning-favorites-sources-say says Denver and Arizona are the front runners. It says that he's looking for
62 CASINTEREST : He is currently staying in FT Lauderdale. He could definately have been to Miami wiith a simple car drive . However I think Denver, AZ, and Miami are
63 Mir : However, this is the team that, after Manning's injury was known, decided to release a very serviceable QB in David Garrard, thus screwing over their
64 CASINTEREST : True, but maybe the lesson was learned. The biggest problem Jacksonville has is the fact that they are bleeding money. Tebow, being the hometown hero
65 par13del : Ahh, marketing, quarterback sare paid the big bucks for this very reason, they carry the team both on and off the field. No question from a financial
66 Post contains links Revelation : Seems MIA came to Indy to talk with the man, and TEN is next on the clock. SEA and KC now said to be out of contention, DEN and AZ still in. Ref: http
67 AirframeAS : Thank goodness!!!
68 GuitrThree : I've never heard such talk about Flightaware and Jets on sports radio as I have today here in Nashville. Even a BNA controller called one of the loca
69 USPIT10L : Yeah, I heard about the RDU thing this afternoon. Typical local reporting, IMHO. ROTFL on the FedEx flight! Too funny! Personally, I think he's eithe
70 Mir : Taylor Swift has a hangar? This is very common for these sorts of things. When LeBron was making his Decision(TM), his flight filed to SWF but ended
71 Post contains links Revelation : Titans optimistic after meeting with Manning for eight hours To me, this just seems to be a case of an 89 year old owner waking up one morning and dec
72 CASINTEREST : TEN might not be one player away, but I think DEN and AZ definately could be. The Denver offense with Manning behind it would be decimating. Their de
73 BMI727 : Maybe a good first step would be to remove the logo from the tail. Just like people wondered how the media figured out the labor talks were in Chicag
74 AirframeAS : Why fix something that is not broke with Tebow? He was doing quite well last year and they made the playoffs. What makes anyone think that Manning st
75 Post contains images GuitrThree : Why yes she does. She parks this there: title="Taylor Swift's Falcon 900 by clearskyphotography.com - Kris Klop, > Funny thing is that it's rumore
76 GuitrThree : Why? It was fun watching the media run all over the place chasing this plane. The FedEx flight I spoke of earlier alone was worth the fun! My only co
77 AirframeAS : Who is this plane actually registered to?
78 BMI727 : No, but unless someone actually sees what plane it is nobody would know what plane to track.
79 Post contains links and images GuitrThree : Well, now that I look into it, apparently that jet was a loaner. Long story, but she purchaced another Falcon900 that had a bunch of cracks discovere
80 GuitrThree : Unless you knew he was at Duke (RDU) and watched flights from there to BNA. Something easily done. Not 100%, but a good start. Of course, I know we'r
81 EA CO AS : Chris Mortensen is reporting that the Dolphins are officially out of the Manning hunt. Rumors say he likes the situation in Arizona the best, but hate
82 Mir : Interesting. I would have thought she just chartered when necessary, or had a NetJets account or something like that. -Mir
83 ltbewr : It is interesting how the Titans have become a serious contender. They have the money, they have some key players, it is an AFC team. Apparently from
84 GuitrThree : A bunch of music stars and others have jets parked at BNA: Kenny Chesney: N7KC (Blocked N-Number) Alan Jackson: N117AJ (Unblocked) Brad Paisley/Kimbe
85 BMI727 : Manning is still revered in that region. Somewhere I heard a media member commenting that many sports bars in the area still display number 18 Vols j
86 AirframeAS : I'm trying to figure out why this is important to Peyton to be with a team that has a dome.... Arizona isn't any better, weather-wise. The dome thing
87 EA CO AS : Which is odd because UT fandom tends to decrease substantially the further west you go in the state from Knoxville.
88 BMI727 : Maybe Jay Cutler didn't smile enough for them.
89 EA CO AS : Arizona's weather isn't better than Indiana's? Excuse me? How is it pathetic? It allows players to have their preferred field type (grass, not artifi
90 Post contains images AirframeAS : You're excused. Lived in Arizona for 5 years. Hated the summers there. Glad I don't live there anymore. They can do that without the movable field. C
91 EA CO AS : You're referring to the covered fields of BASEBALL stadiums; football fields are a different animal entirely. Regardless, you still have preseason ga
92 Mir : And it also allows you to use the stadium for other stuff (concerts, etc.) without worrying about damaging the field or having to take it down and re
93 EA CO AS : UPDATE: "Sources" being quoted by Adam Schefter and Chris Mortenson are saying.... - Miami and Arizona have been told that Peyton Manning will NOT sig
94 Post contains links and images AirframeAS : According to a friend of mine, here are the offers: Broncos at $40.0 million. Titans at $26.2 million. 49ers at $23.5 million. But then again, Denver
95 EA CO AS : He's looking for pretty much the same deal he had with the Colts, which is $90M over 5 years, but keep in mind NFL contracts are not guaranteed like
96 Post contains images BMI727 : If he wants to win now, that's where he will go. Football money isn't like other sports' money. And how about Roger unilaterally enacting a retroacti
97 EA CO AS : As my Cardinals are an NFC West team, I'd hate to see him go to our division rivals....but you're absolutely correct, the Niners are the best shot he
98 AirframeAS : Now it seems like he won't make his final decision until Monday or Tuesday. This sounds so LeBron to me. What a joke! What's wrong with a Manning vs.
99 EA CO AS : Nothing, except that's allegedly not what Archie Manning ever wants to see - he wants the potential for his boys to face off the Super Bowl.
100 Revelation : I think it's because TEN's 89 year old owner has a hard-on for Peyton and is throwing money at him. At 89 you don't get stiffies that easily, so you
101 Mir : Looks like he's going to Denver. -Mir
102 Mir : The Jets should be inquiring about Tebow. He'd be a good piece in a Sparano offense, and he can put some pressure on Mark Sanchez. That said, I don't
103 PSA53 : I hope Payton took the curse with him to Denver so the Chargers can show up the Broncos. I like see Tebow go to the Niners.But I have to say,it just
104 PHX787 : AAAaaand he's going to the Broncos, per an AP alert sent to my iPhone (sorry no link) NOW the question is: WHERE is Tebow going?
105 Revelation : I'm already looking forward to when Peyton and the Broncos come to New England this year! Should be a great game!
106 D L X : The amount of grown men on this guy Archie Manning's jock continues to astound me, considering that if you were born after 1975 and don't live in Lou
107 Alias1024 : Alex Smith is going to be laughing all the way to the bank. Niners offered him a contract that looks like they only want him for a couple years, until
108 USPIT10L : The Broncos have already said they will trade Tebow as soon as the Manning signing is official. Tebow's going elsewhere, folks. If they can't trade h
109 EA CO AS : I doubt they'd simply release him; the Broncos gave up an awful lot to move up in the draft and get him in the first place. Odds are they won't just
110 Revelation : Tebow is still under contract, so it's up to Denver where he goes, up to the point they trade or release him. As above, they don't want him around. Y
111 Alias1024 : That assumes they can get something of value in return. Maybe they already have been in discussions with teams about Tebow, but if not, they may find
112 Post contains links Revelation : The report I read was: Ref: http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/ey...denver-will-try-to-trade-tim-tebow That's why I wrote: He just has to go away, eve
113 BMI727 : They can't. Tebow was way overdrafted and overvalued by the Broncos from day one. They might get a mid round pick for him, since there are enough awf
114 EA CO AS : I can't see Manning even needing to bring that up; Elway wanted Tebow gone yesterday but couldn't without fan backlash. Now that he's getting a first
115 Alias1024 : I think a mid round pick or a combo of a pair of late round picks might be all they get too. Elway's disdain combined with today's comments is enough
116 Mir : They will not get next to nothing for him. Tebow's stock is high at the moment because of what he did on the field last year (and yes, he got a lot o
117 Revelation : I don't think Elway's brain works that way. I bet he doesn't have a regret in the world.
118 casinterest : Tim Tebow is now a Jet. Jet's fans....discuss.
119 BMI727 : Especially with all of the dumbasses criticizing Elway for the move. Anybody who pays attention would know better anyway. Who wants a quarterback tha
120 PSA53 : Except when playing the Chargers,all the best to you,Tim! I guess the NFL now plays a new game. The QB musical chairs game.Wonder what Sanchez will do
121 Revelation : Pats fan here says SOJ - Same Old Jets. That's their spin, but Mark Sanchez will be looking over his shoulder, and I'll bet that at some point during
122 Post contains links and images AirframeAS : Then he is an idiot. No father would do that to their kids. That is stupid. Agreed. Tebow would have made a great impact on the Jaguars organization.
123 BMI727 : Only the stupid ones. Why? Is it moronic to want a real quarterback? They would have even less use for him than the Jets.
124 Post contains images Revelation : I doubt there will be a problem finding stupid Jets fans.
125 AirframeAS : They HAD a quarterback in Tebow. Things were going uphill last year. They started the year 1-4 and then they got rid of Orton and Tebow took them to
126 Post contains images BMI727 : Yeah, a quarterback that can't throw. How much good does that do you? The defense took them to the playoffs. And Pittsburgh handed them a game and th
127 Post contains images AirframeAS : I guess last minute comebacks don't mean anything to you. What defense? They don't have one. I stand corrected. I'm having a hard time thinking Elway
128 BMI727 : Manning is pretty close to Elway in terms of greatness. This isn't some washed up old man - this is one of the greatest ever taking another run at wi
129 AirframeAS : Okay, that is the past. This is now. Again, the man has NOT played in a year! Then why did Elway get rid of him so quick? True with Orton. A huge may
130 BMI727 : Because they weren't going anywhere with him. Of course they weren't going anywhere with Tebow either. Perhaps if they change the rules to make it po
131 Revelation : Now we hear that due to the Jets screw-up, DEN is letting Tebow pick between the Jets and the Jags. It'll be an interesting choice. The Jags are a Flo
132 Post contains images Revelation : It looks like the rumor that Tim was going to be given a choice is false - his trade to the Jets is completed! Welcome to the Jungle, Tim Tebow!
133 Post contains images dragon-wings : I just love how these Jets fans are saying Tebow will help get the Jets into the playoffs . I would like to know how is he supposed to do that while s
134 Post contains images Revelation : He might get put in for wildcat plays, but like every new wrinkle, teams have learned how to defeat the wildcat, especially if that option QB can't t
135 Mir : Will be very good on the field, could well be disastrous off it. I wanted him initially (back when I posted Reply 102), but over time I was gradually
136 Pyrex : Countdown for Tebow getting caught in some bath-room in Port Authority in 5...4...3... Nah, just kidding. Bet a lot of people here would like to see t
137 BMI727 : I think he should share an apartment with Jeremy Lin and make it a reality show. No girls, just athletic mediocrity, but that way the moral guardians
138 Mir : Don't suck, don't make excuses, just go out there, give it your all, and perform. If he can do that, he won't have any problems. I don't think we hav
139 Revelation : When in MIA Sparano unleashed the wildcat for the first time against the Pats, and they had a lot of huge gainers. Second time, not so much, third ti
140 EA CO AS : Not saying he'll get them there, but make no mistake - the first game where Sanchez throws for 168 yards with 2 picks and 1 TD, you'll have the Tebow
141 Revelation : Hmmm... You and I have a grip on the patently obvious. It makes me wonder why the Jets management doesn't... They really haven't brought in much duri
142 Post contains links dragon-wings : Antonio Cromartie thinks the same thing. He tweeted this "Y bring Tebow in when we need to bring in more Weapons for @Mark_Sanchez let's build the te
143 Post contains images AirframeAS : I guess you missed the last half of last season including the playoffs. Not my problem. I get it, you are anti-Tebow and ignorant. I get it. I can ac
144 BMI727 : ... with an 8-8 record but not because of Tebow. And by the way, of the seven games Tebow "won" or more specifically, didn't lose, their opponents ha
145 Revelation : Whose idiotic behavior is an entirely predictable outcome of the actions of the idiotic Jets management team.
146 Post contains images AirframeAS : We don't even know if Manning is healthy or not. We won't know that until midway through the 2012 season. If Denver ends up starting 2-5, then we wil
147 BMI727 : You should expect instant results from a rookie player, that's how the NFL works. Especially first round picks, which Denver was dumb enough to use o
148 Post contains images AirframeAS : No, I don't. I don't expect the top draft picks to WIN the Super Bowl in their rookie year. That is why teams have a player development program. Seem
149 BMI727 : No they don't. Guys show up, they play. If they get it done they stay, if they don't they get cut. The two are not mutually exclusive. When you use y
150 ha763 : Tebow was not a rookie player. The 2011 season was his second year. Plus, Tebow started the last 3 games in the 2010 season. If you are a starter as
151 AirframeAS : No, he wasn't a rookie. My point was that big name rookies do not win Super Bowls on their first year. They don't have a stellar career in their firs
152 ltbewr : Of course the last several rounds musical chairs of QB's has left the Jaguars in an even worse position, with Gabbert not getting the job done last se
153 AirframeAS : I feel bad for Drew Brees.... That franchise tag was pretty ridiculous. Heck, franchise tags are pretty stupid, IMO. I stopped believing in franchise
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