Sponsor Message:
Non Aviation Forum
My Starred Topics | Profile | New Topic | Forum Index | Help | Search 
The Heart Of The American Empire?  
User currently offlineconnies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 4066 posts, RR: 13
Posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 1954 times:

I've always, despite much opposition from my American colleagues, maintained that America is more an empire than a republic. This article speaks to that topic very forcefully. I intend to acquire the book referenced in the article.

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opi...n/2012/03/2012314114930627518.html

Americans would do well to read up more on Islamic websites and eschew CNN/Faux and other local sites. They are parochially local and tend to lack global perspective (Fareed Zakaria being a notable exception).

Don't know if any of you in the USA have seen Aljazeera TV News: remarkably high quality and largely lacking bias.

Don't try the low bridge and accuse me of being anti-American: I was engaged to a woman from Greensboro NC for two years. Possibly the best two years of my life.


Nostalgia isn't what it used to be.
24 replies: All unread, jump to last
 
User currently offlinezhiao From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 394 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1904 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

Good for you.

And no, being called an Empire is beautiful, so thanks for the compliment.


User currently online4holer From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 3011 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1852 times:

Quoting connies4ever (Thread starter):
Don't try the low bridge and accuse me of being anti-American

That shoe looks to be about your size.

Quoting connies4ever (Thread starter):
Americans would do well to read up more on Islamic websites and eschew CNN/Faux and other local sites. They are parochially local and tend to lack global perspective

Supercilious much?

Quoting connies4ever (Thread starter):
Don't know if any of you in the USA have seen Aljazeera TV News: remarkably high quality and largely lacking bias.

Most unbiased news source since you lost Pravda?

Quoting connies4ever (Thread starter):
I was engaged to a woman from Greensboro NC for two years. Possibly the best two years of my life.

OOOOH! Why didn't you say so?? Oh you're OK then.

....Still not sure if you were serious or just trolling though...



Ghosts appear and fade away.....................
User currently offlineseb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11576 posts, RR: 15
Reply 3, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 1815 times:

Quoting 4holer (Reply 2):
Most unbiased news source since you lost Pravda?

Or FOX?

I wish we did have al-Jezeera. I prefer BBC or Deutche Welle to ABC or NBC or CNN. And, yes, United States is an empire. Unfortunatly. Empires rise, but they do fall.



Life in the wall is a drag.
User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8220 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 1815 times:

I believe the US is pretty far from an Empire. As a country we really don't care to expand. We have some "terrorities" that most Americans would be happy without them. We walked away from a lot of terrorizes that we took in various wars. While Cheney & Rumsfeld might have had their eyes on the oil in Iraq we, as a people, didn't.

We have deployed troops around the world for various reasons. I believe we can pull most troops out of Europe, but I support continual support of South Korea. Europe is pretty safe these days, but South Korea isn't.

Perhaps instead of worrying about us being an Empire we might just be a nation that works with others in our mutual interests. That may be some mutual benefits in maintaining minimum troops in NATO countries, or re-looking at Subic Bay again.

As for CNN, they do seem to have a strong inter nation flavor, especially with their news relationships around the world.


User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8475 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 1813 times:

Farheed Zakaria is fantastic. He has to be one of the most professional people on TV.

As for empire... yes. Currently we are angry that China may deny us full control of the Yellow Sea. That is the water immediately off the Chinese coast. Until recently, we claimed to control the Taiwan Strait as well. China is probably the second most powerful non-NATO country and we claim our military control reaches just about to their border.

Other nations exist with our approval. Without that, we have seen what happens. Much squabbling and occasionally the hanging or beating death of world leaders whom we don't like. This has been going on for 100 years.

It's not that we are evil. Most of the world knows we are trying to uphold good virtues and help real people get real freedom. Politically, we don't claim an empire, but physically, certainly we are one.


User currently offlinedarksnowynight From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1355 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1746 times:

Quoting connies4ever (Thread starter):
Don't try the low bridge and accuse me of being anti-American: I was engaged to a woman from Greensboro NC for two years. Possibly the best two years of my life.

Without at all speculating about your sentiments regarding america, what on earth would that have to do with anything at all? That reads like the old "But I have black friends" saw...

Quoting seb146 (Reply 3):
And, yes, United States is an empire. Unfortunatly. Empires rise, but they do fall.

I wouldn't say that. The english language was popularized by the british empire, most of the world uses metric standards, and our currency aint what it used to be. I would say we're more hegomonic than anything else.

Quoting Flighty (Reply 5):


Farheed Zakaria is fantastic. He has to be one of the most professional people on TV.

I guess. Almost everything I've seen or read of him, including editorials, I've seen elsewhere at least a few months before. Really not much to see with that guy.



Posting without Knowledge is simply Tolerated Vandalism... We are the Vandals.
User currently offlinesoon7x7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1728 times:

Quoting connies4ever (Thread starter):
Americans would do well to read up more on Islamic websites


I can't think of one American that exhibits the slightest interest in what Islamic TV or newsprint has to say, especially here in the New York area. Since Islam is forcing its way into the fabric of America, (DEMAND AL JAZEERA IN THE USA!) I see nothing but resistance by most. As for myself, to give Islam the benefit of the doubt, I have been reading the Quran so as to at least argue in fairness both perspectives but I have to admit...so far I'm not amused. While you may have dated a woman from NC does not preclude your underlying sentiments regarding the US. Clearly the mere suggestion of "what Americans should open their minds up to" in sorts tells me in your opinion as a people we are flawed. To a degree you may be correct but I would redirect your assessment towards our leaders of recent past that have seen to create some nasty international policies that have embarrassed and misrepresented the sentiments of most Americans. I would say these days, most governments are guilty of this. In short, many if not most current governments do not reflect the desires of their own people, they rather reflect the desires of their immediate self interests that serve to propagate self gain, self entitlement and greed at the common mans expense. The US is unique in its short history and high degree of accomplishments that have seen many other nations benefit from in many ways. we are not global conquerors as Al Jazeera's article would have us but then what else what one expect them to espouse?...However, as posted today in the press for example, the head of the Islamic republic's paramilitary force has told his troops that "Iran has no choice but to destroy America". He goes on to say, "we must raise public Hate against the despotic powers and create the environment for the destruction of America". Iran's independence and unhindered advance towards perfection can only be obtained by destroying the US and Israel"...I havn't even mentioned the events of 9/11 and I won't...sure your well aware. glad we are all over and so are the nations that need our money, food and assistance when they are in trouble.

Quoting Flighty (Reply 5):
Most of the world knows we are trying to uphold good virtues and help real people get real freedom.

Agreed but this day in age, not appreciated...
Quoting connies4ever (Thread starter):
Don't know if any of you in the USA have seen Al Jazeera TV News: remarkably high quality and largely lacking bias.


Seen it...is well produced but doesn't leave me feeling warm and fuzzy...rather makes me be even more cautious as I can read between the lines.
I'd love the US to isolate itself from the rest of the unappreciative world and leave everyone else to solve their own issues..god knows we have enough BS going on here that goes unattended.


User currently offlineconnies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 4066 posts, RR: 13
Reply 8, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1652 times:

Quoting soon7x7 (Reply 7):
I'd love the US to isolate itself from the rest of the unappreciative world and leave everyone else to solve their own issues..god knows we have enough BS going on here that goes unattended.

Sounds like you would have voted for Lindbergh and his merry gang of thugs in 1940...



Nostalgia isn't what it used to be.
User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8957 posts, RR: 40
Reply 9, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1545 times:

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 4):
As a country we really don't care to expand.

I agree that Americans are not interested in land-grabbing, but for a long time, and this goes along with the Brits, there has been a lot of installing friendly dictators here and there going on for a number of reasons.

Speak softly but carry a big stick is, frankly, still US policy after ~100 years. That policy translates to do as I say, or else. It's a virtual empire and it needs to change.



"If goods do not cross borders, soldiers will" - Frederic Bastiat
User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8220 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1506 times:

Quoting Flighty (Reply 5):
Farheed Zakaria is fantastic. He has to be one of the most professional people on TV.

He is also one of the most intelligent people on TV. The guy is an intellectual, works hard at being unbiased and gets interviews with major players around the world.

Quoting Flighty (Reply 5):
Other nations exist with our approval.

Such as Japan?

Actually South Korea is a clearer example.

Quoting Flighty (Reply 5):
This has been going on for 100 years.

And we are the only ones doing it? Watch Iran take over Iraq if you want to see Empire Building.


User currently offlineconnies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 4066 posts, RR: 13
Reply 11, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1472 times:

Quoting 4holer (Reply 2):
Quoting connies4ever (Thread starter):
Don't try the low bridge and accuse me of being anti-American

That shoe looks to be about your size.

Quoting connies4ever (Thread starter):
Americans would do well to read up more on Islamic websites and eschew CNN/Faux and other local sites. They are parochially local and tend to lack global perspective

Supercilious much?

Quoting connies4ever (Thread starter):
Don't know if any of you in the USA have seen Aljazeera TV News: remarkably high quality and largely lacking bias.

Most unbiased news source since you lost Pravda?

Quoting connies4ever (Thread starter):
I was engaged to a woman from Greensboro NC for two years. Possibly the best two years of my life.

OOOOH! Why didn't you say so?? Oh you're OK then.

....Still not sure if you were serious or just trolling though...
That shoe looks to be about your size.
A not unexpected response from some quarters.

Americans would do well to read up more on Islamic websites and eschew CNN/Faux and other local sites. They are parochially local and tend to lack global perspective

Supercilious much?

Merely fact. Most of the Faux people haven't left the country, I would think. I've actually been in Iraq/Iran/Afghanistan.

Most unbiased news source since you lost Pravda?
Betraying your Tea Party membership there, I think. Shot any moose lately ?

I was engaged to a woman from Greensboro NC for two years. Possibly the best two years of my life.
Only reason I mention that is to note that I have spent a significant part of my life IN the USA.



Nostalgia isn't what it used to be.
User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8475 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1420 times:

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 10):
And we are the only ones doing it? Watch Iran take over Iraq if you want to see Empire Building.

We created the governments in both those countries, so...


User currently offlineNAV20 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 9909 posts, RR: 36
Reply 13, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1385 times:

Quoting Flighty (Reply 5):
Politically, we don't claim an empire, but physically, certainly we are one.

To my mind that's the truth of it. Like many other countries in the world, in earlier times the United States did not hesitate to expand its boundaries, by force if necessary. Vermont, for example, initially chose to remain independent after the American Revolution, but was forced to join the Union in 1791. California and Texas were Spanish (later Mexican) colonies until they were taken by force in 1848. Hawaii was an independent nation before extensive US colonisation resulted in it being virtually forced to become a US 'territory' in 1898; indeed, Hawaii only became a 'proper' US state (the fiftieth) as recently as 1959.

In defence of the USA, though - if any 'defence' is needed, since people like the British and the French were busy building huge empires at the time, by a mixture of colonisation and military force (with the latter tending to predominate) - it largely confined its expansionary activities to North America, And it relatively-quickly (by the standards of the time) gave the inhabitants of newly-acquired territories equal rights, and in due course full-blown statehood and proper representation in Congress.

Empire-building was 'the name of the game' in the 19th. Century. With benefit of hindsight, unlike other countries, the United States appears to have exercised admirable restraint during the period. Sadly though, that was probably because they had huge 'Indian territories' right on their doorstep, just waiting to be conquered and colonised.

And an unbelievably-bloody Civil War to fight out to the bitter end as well.......

[Edited 2012-03-16 22:37:56]


"Once you have flown, you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skywards.." - Leonardo da Vinci
User currently online4holer From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 3011 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 1264 times:

Quoting connies4ever (Reply 11):
A not unexpected response from some quarters.

So you admit your prejudice?

Quoting connies4ever (Reply 11):
Merely fact. Most of the Faux people haven't left the country, I would think. I've actually been in Iraq/Iran/Afghanistan

Ah, The "Faux News" cliche. Fox news isn't even shown on my DirecTV grid. I've programmed it out. Same with MSNBC.

Quoting connies4ever (Reply 11):
Betraying your Tea Party membership there, I think. Shot any moose lately ?

I'm as much a tea party person as I am a llama. Can't stand them. Not even a Republican. Or a Democrat for that matter. Not even sure what the moose thing means. But I can probably come up with some obscure reference you wouldn't know about too. Yay.



Ghosts appear and fade away.....................
User currently offlinedfwrevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 968 posts, RR: 51
Reply 15, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 1197 times:

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 4):
I believe the US is pretty far from an Empire. As a country we really don't care to expand. We have some "terrorities" that most Americans would be happy without them. We walked away from a lot of terrorizes that we took in various wars.

Perhaps instead of worrying about us being an Empire we might just be a nation that works with others in our mutual interests.

That just about hits the nail on the head, IMO.

Quoting connies4ever (Thread starter):
I've always, despite much opposition from my American colleagues, maintained that America is more an empire than a republic.

The foreign policy of the U.S. does not resemble empire building as practiced at any other point in human history. It is unfair to characterize the U.S. as an empire solely because we are the most powerful nation and we project our power to protect ourselves and our allies according to a set of well-defined values.

Further, to say that we are more of an empire than a republic is down-right insulting when all of our political power rests in the hands of a democratically-elected system of representation that has been practiced according to the same constitution longer than any other government in the world.


User currently offlineconnies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 4066 posts, RR: 13
Reply 16, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 1192 times:

Quoting 4holer (Reply 14):
Quoting connies4ever (Reply 11):
A not unexpected response from some quarters.

So you admit your prejudice?

I'll show you mine if you show me yours.  



Nostalgia isn't what it used to be.
User currently offlineTheCol From Canada, joined Jan 2007, 2038 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 1176 times:

Quoting connies4ever (Thread starter):
Americans would do well to read up more on Islamic websites and eschew CNN/Faux and other local sites.

You're kidding, right? Why highlight Islamic websites? There are plenty of secular Western blogs that go into great detail about the alleged "American Empire". Ever heard of Kevin Smith?

I doubt I'm the only one that will be asking that question, if you get my drift. Considering your profession, you'd be wise to ask the mods to delete this thread.



No matter how random things may appear, there's always a plan.
User currently offlinesoon7x7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week ago) and read 1104 times:

Quoting connies4ever (Reply 16):

Must have been a long winter for ya...EH?. The thread is rediculous, don't even see where your coming from nor where it is you want to go...don't like the US?...then stay home.


User currently offlineconnies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 4066 posts, RR: 13
Reply 19, posted (2 years 5 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1054 times:

Quoting TheCol (Reply 17):
You're kidding, right? Why highlight Islamic websites? There are plenty of secular Western blogs that go into great detail about the alleged "American Empire". Ever heard of Kevin Smith?

I doubt I'm the only one that will be asking that question, if you get my drift. Considering your profession, you'd be wise to ask the mods to delete this thread.

Why Islamic (or other p.o.v.) websites ? Because they have a different p.o.v., that's why. Talk about dense. Different p.o.v. implies that perhaps our own general p.o.v. in the West is not the be all and end all we tend to think it is.

And why, "considering my profession" (whatever the hell that means), would I want the mods to delete the thread ?

Quoting soon7x7 (Reply 18):
Must have been a long winter for ya...EH?. The thread is rediculous, don't even see where your coming from nor where it is you want to go...don't like the US?...then stay home.

Actually, mildest winter since I moved here. +21C today. And it would be "ridiculous", not "rediculous".

As to where I'm coming from, see comment above. As to where I'm going, a more spirited discussion. Don't like the US ? Not even close, I always appreciate being there and my American friends and colleagues.

I guess perhaps one could say I am somewhat motivated by the fact I actually HAVE been in the ME, as opposed to, I will suppose, many on A.net. Turkey, Syria, Jordan, Iraq, Kuwait, Iran, Aghanistan. Been there, done that, wore the T-shirt. Actual life experience on the ground. Kind and generous people, who in general have been badly served by many nations in the West, including my own. But particularly the UK & US & France.



Nostalgia isn't what it used to be.
User currently offlineAlias1024 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2754 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (2 years 5 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1005 times:

Quoting PPVRA (Reply 9):
I agree that Americans are not interested in land-grabbing, but for a long time, and this goes along with the Brits, there has been a lot of installing friendly dictators here and there going on for a number of reasons.

I think that's fair. We haven't tried to offically grab other nations in a century, just have a strong influence to ensure it is run in a way that pleases us, which may or may not be in the best interest of the people living in those nations. I wish our record was better but I can't whitewash history and pretend we haven't stuck our noses in a lot of other country's business.

Honduras, Nicaragua, Iran, Chile, and probably at least a half dozen other examples in the last 100 years.

Quoting dfwrevolution (Reply 15):
The foreign policy of the U.S. does not resemble empire building as practiced at any other point in human history. It is unfair to characterize the U.S. as an empire solely because we are the most powerful nation and we project our power to protect ourselves and our allies according to a set of well-defined values.

I agree that what we've done is could not be fairly described as empire building in the traditional sense, but I'd disagree that we've always projected our power based on a set of well-defined values. Take Chile for example. We are in favor of free and fair elections...at least until a leftist takes power. How about Iraq? We don't aid brutal dictators...unless they're fighting the Iranians that just embarrassed us and booted us from their country. We'll gladly look the other way while Saddam invades his neighbors, as long as those neighbors aren't friendly to us and selling us huge amounts of oil.

Don't get me wrong, I love this country and we have a lot to be very proud of, however I wish we'd stop meddling with other nations.



It is a mistake to think you can solve any major problems with just potatoes.
User currently offlineTheCol From Canada, joined Jan 2007, 2038 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (2 years 5 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 992 times:

Quoting connies4ever (Reply 19):
Why Islamic (or other p.o.v.) websites ? Because they have a different p.o.v.

You mean a different bias?

And that brings me back to my original question: Why highlight "Islamic" websites? Surly there are plenty of secular blogs and journalists in the Middle East that are worth reading into.

Quoting connies4ever (Reply 19):
Different p.o.v. implies that perhaps our own general p.o.v. in the West is not the be all and end all we tend to think it is.

No Shit...  
Quoting connies4ever (Reply 19):
will suppose, many on A.net. Turkey, Syria, Jordan, Iraq, Kuwait, Iran, Aghanistan. Been there, done that, wore the T-shirt.

One thing I've learned from my trips in the ME, is that we are spoon-fed BS from most of the general media we read into (internet included). As you probably well know, the "big picture" that we are presented via the internet or TV is about 1/3 of the actual truth. I fail to see the logic in putting any trust in "Islamic" websites, or any religious geo-political websites, which are likely to be heavily biased.



No matter how random things may appear, there's always a plan.
User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16858 posts, RR: 51
Reply 22, posted (2 years 5 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 953 times:

I've been here on A-Net going on 12 years this month, and it's the same thing from the same folks about "America's dying empire" etc.. These folks are worse than Yankee haters, they keep hating on the Yankees and the Yankees keep on winning. The Yankees, like America, are not perfect. And they do not win every game, nor have a winning season every year. However without a doubt the are the best sports franchise in the World.

The United States is not perfect, and everything it does it not always the right decision. And there are sometimes when it seems like everything is going down hill, but without a doubt there is no better Country on the face of the earth.

BTW..

Go anywhere in the world and there are people wearing Yankee's caps, the guy who killed Qaddafi was wearing a Yankees cap. That's the power of the Yankees, and America, on culture of the world.

[Edited 2012-03-19 15:35:47]


Eastern Air lines flt # 701, EWR-MCO Boeing 757
User currently offlineWestJet747 From Canada, joined Aug 2011, 1830 posts, RR: 10
Reply 23, posted (2 years 5 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 932 times:

Despite all the flack you're taking from the Americans here, I thought it was a fantastic article. Very well-written and structured to hold my interest. It may paint an ugly picture of the US and the UK but at the end of the day it's history, and we have to accept that.

Quoting Flighty (Reply 5):
Farheed Zakaria is fantastic. He has to be one of the most professional people on TV.

A brilliant man...but sooo boring. I can't take away from his intelligence, but I admit I have difficulty sitting through one of his hour-long specials.

Quoting soon7x7 (Reply 7):
Since Islam is forcing its way into the fabric of America

 
Quoting dfwrevolution (Reply 15):
a democratically-elected system of representation that has been practiced according to the same constitution longer than any other government in the world.

It's no doubt that the staying power of the constitution is impressive and commendable...but perhaps that is part of the problem? The longer something is in place, the further detached we are from the creators. With that comes a gross misunderstanding of the true interpretation of the document. Example: the Bible. I'm not saying the constitution needs to be re-written, but maybe a bit of a sprucing up would do.

Quoting soon7x7 (Reply 18):
Must have been a long winter for ya...EH?

Capitalizing the "eh" for effect? I don't think I know a single Canadian that would be offended or insulted by this gesture. I'll give you an A for effort though.

Quoting seb146 (Reply 3):
I prefer BBC or Deutche Welle to ABC or NBC or CNN.

  

Quoting NAV20 (Reply 13):
Empire-building was 'the name of the game' in the 19th. Century.

  

Quoting 4holer (Reply 14):
Not even sure what the moose thing means.

Sarah Palin hunting reference?



Flying refined.
User currently offlinecaliatenza From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1575 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 5 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 884 times:

Quoting STT757 (Reply 22):
:

I've been here on A-Net going on 12 years this month, and it's the same thing from the same folks about "America's dying empire" etc.. These folks are worse than Yankee haters, they keep hating on the Yankees and the Yankees keep on winning. The Yankees, like America, are not perfect. And they do not win every game, nor have a winning season every year. However without a doubt the are the best sports franchise in the World.

well i dont really like east coast teams in general in sports (other than my beloved Patriots) and plus the Yankees win too much lol. I only support the Red Sox when they play against the Yankees  .


Top Of Page
Forum Index

This topic is archived and can not be replied to any more.

Printer friendly format

Similar topics:More similar topics...
GTR - When The Heart Rules The Mind (MP3?) posted Mon Apr 6 2009 08:54:11 by PC12Fan
More On The North American Union And The VChip posted Tue Dec 4 2007 12:00:37 by Falcon84
Saudi-Arabia The Heart Of The 'War On Terror'? posted Mon Jul 16 2007 05:33:02 by NAV20
The Official American Idol Thread (Part 2) posted Fri Mar 23 2007 03:58:13 by FutureSDPDcop
The Official American Idol Thread posted Wed Feb 21 2007 05:32:49 by FutureSDPDcop
The Latin American And Spanish Music Thread! posted Fri Jan 26 2007 10:38:10 by RootsAir
Lactivism: The New American Social Issue posted Fri Jul 28 2006 18:59:35 by Goldenshield
The Official American Football Sucks Thread! posted Wed Sep 14 2005 14:49:48 by Gkirk
Deep In The Heart Of Texas, There Is Euro Trash posted Tue Jul 12 2005 02:32:27 by FlyingTexan
The Second American Civil War posted Wed Mar 31 2004 05:49:19 by MD-90