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F1 2012: Malaysian Grand Prix  
User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10893 posts, RR: 37
Posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2343 times:

After Australia, on to Malaysia for the second F1 Grand Prix of the 2012 season.

  

Malaysian Grand Prix March 23-25
Sepang International Circuit
Circuit Length 5.543kms/3.444miles
Circuit Turns 15
Circuit Direction Clockwise
Capacity 133,000
Established 1999
Designer Hermann Tilke

March 23: Free practice 1
March 23: Free practice 2
March 24: Free practice 3
13:00 local | 05:00 GMT | 06:00 CET
March 24: Qualifying
16:00 local | 08:00 GMT | 09:00 CET
March 25: Race
16:00 local | 08:00 GMT | 10:00 CEST

Previous
Malaysian Grand Prix 2011
Winner S Vettel (GER) Red Bull
Malaysian Grand Prix 2010
Winner S Vettel (GER) Red Bull
Malaysian Grand Prix 2009
Winner J Button (GBR) Brawn

Weather forecast for Sepang
http://www.weather.com/weather/today/Sepang+Malaysia+MYXX0031

  

March 23
Lewis Hamilton is fastest in both practice sessions at Sepang

Free practice 1

Driver Teams Time
1 LC Hamilton (GBR) McLaren 1'38.021
2 S Vettel (GER) Red Bull 1'38.535
3 N Rosberg (GER) Mercedes 1'38.813
4 M Schumacher (GER) Mercedes 1'38.826
5 R Grosjean (FRA) Lotus 1'38.919
6 M Webber (AUS) Red Bull 1'39.092
7 KM Räikkönen (FIN) Lotus 1'39.128
8 P di Resta (GBR) Force India 1'39.298
9 J Button (GBR) McLaren 1'39.323
10 N Hülkenberg (GER) Force India 1'39.440
11 V Bottas (FIN) Williams 1'39.724
12 P Maldonado (VEN) Williams 1'39.783
13 F Massa (BRA) Ferrari 1'39.896
14 K Kobayashi (JPN) Sauber 1'39.910
15 F Alonso (ESP) Ferrari 1'39.980
16 JE Vergne (FRA) Toro Rosso 1'40.099
17 H Kovalainen (FIN) Caterham 1'40.247
18 D Ricciardo (AUS) Toro Rosso 1'40.469
19 V Petrov (RUS) Caterham 1'40.857
20 S Perez (MEX) Sauber 1'41.085
21 T Glock (GER) Marussia 1'43.170
22 C Pic (FRA) Marussia 1'44.580
23 KRN Karthikeyan (IND) HRT 1'45.360
24 PM de la Rosa (ESP) HRT 1'45.528

Free practice 2

Driver Teams Time
1 LC Hamilton (GBR) McLaren 1'38.172
2 M Schumacher (GER) Mercedes 1'38.533
3 J Button (GBR) McLaren 1'38.535
4 N Rosberg (GER) Mercedes 1'38.696
5 D Ricciardo (AUS) Toro Rosso 1'38.853
6 F Alonso (ESP) Ferrari 1'38.891
7 M Webber (AUS) Red Bull 1'39.133
8 JE Vergne (FRA) Toro Rosso 1'39.297
9 R Grosjean (FRA) Lotus 1'39.311
10 S Vettel (GER) Red Bull 1'39.402
11 P Maldonado (VEN) Williams 1'39.444
12 N Hülkenberg (GER) Force India 1'39.464
13 P di Resta (GBR) Force India 1'39.625
14 K Kobayashi (JPN) Sauber 1'39.687
15 KM Räikkönen (FIN) Lotus 1'39.696
16 F Massa (BRA) Ferrari 1'40.271
17 B Senna (BRA) Williams 1'40.678
18 S Perez (MEX) Sauber 1'40.947
19 V Petrov (RUS) Caterham 1'41.464
20 T Glock (GER) Marussia 1'41.681
21 H Kovalainen (FIN) Caterham 1'42.594
22 C Pic (FRA) Marussia 1'42.874
23 KRN Karthikeyan (IND) HRT 1'43.658
24 PM de la Rosa (ESP) HRT 1'43.823


        


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User currently offlineAF1624 From France, joined Jul 2006, 658 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2327 times:

Hurts to see Raikkonen getting beat by the much less experienced Grosjean... 

Good times from Schumi  



Cheers
User currently offlinesudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2311 times:

Quoting AF1624 (Reply 1):
Hurts to see Raikkonen getting beat by the much less experienced Grosjean...

Good times from Schumi

It's practise sessions and we don't know what programs the teams are running. The times today means nothing tomorrow, or Sunday



When in doubt, flat out!
User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10893 posts, RR: 37
Reply 3, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2252 times:

Kimi Raikkonen had grid drop.

Kimi Raikkonen will take a five-place grid penalty at the Malaysian Grand Prix after a gearbox change was required on the Lotus.
After Raikkonen finished the second practice session in 15th place he said that the team had yet to show its true pace. However, later in the evening the Lotus team tweeted that there was a problem with the gearbox that was keeping the engineers at the circuit.

http://en.espnf1.com/malaysia/motorsport/story/74021.html

Seems that Heikki also received a grid drop though I cannot confirm.


     



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User currently offline9MMPQ From Netherlands, joined Nov 2011, 315 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 2234 times:

I'm hoping Mercedes & especially Michael Schumacher get to show what they can really do this weekend !

Heikki indeed has a penalty. In Melbourne he pulled into the pitlane during the safety car phase and thereby overtook cars which where still sticking to the safety car pace. I think that penalty got handed out fairly quickly after that weekend.



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10893 posts, RR: 37
Reply 5, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2198 times:

Mercedes driver Nico Rosberg set the fastest time in the final practice session at the Malaysian Grand Prix.
The German was a massive 0.443 seconds ahead of Sebastian Vettel's Red Bull, whose team-mate Mark Webber was third.

(BBC)

Malaysian Grand Prix 2012
Free practice 3

Driver Teams Time
1 N Rosberg (GER) Mercedes 1'36.877
2 S Vettel (GER) Red Bull 1'37.320
3 M Webber (AUS) Red Bull 1'37.338
4 KM Räikkönen (FIN) Lotus 1'37.356
5 R Grosjean (FRA) Lotus 1'37.382
6 J Button (GBR) McLaren 1'37.404
7 P Maldonado (VEN) Williams 1'37.455
8 M Schumacher (GER) Mercedes 1'37.663
9 LC Hamilton (GBR) McLaren 1'37.776
10 K Kobayashi (JPN) Sauber 1'37.977
11 B Senna (BRA) Williams 1'38.091
12 S Perez (MEX) Sauber 1'38.178
13 F Alonso (ESP) Ferrari 1'38.246
14 N Hülkenberg (GER) Force India 1'38.285
15 D Ricciardo (AUS) Toro Rosso 1'38.423
16 JE Vergne (FRA) Toro Rosso 1'38.640
17 P di Resta (GBR) Force India 1'38.794
18 F Massa (BRA) Ferrari 1'39.209
19 V Petrov (RUS) Caterham 1'39.704
20 H Kovalainen (FIN) Caterham 1'40.189
21 C Pic (FRA) Marussia 1'41.901
22 T Glock (GER) Marussia 1'42.007
23 PM de la Rosa (ESP) HRT 1'42.464
24 KRN Karthikeyan (IND) HRT 1'43.378

Qualifyings to start in about 30 minutes.

        

Q1 results

Driver Team

First qualifying session completed

Pos Driver Team Laps
1 Webber AUS Red Bull 9 in pits
2 Schumacher GER Mercedes 5 in pits
3 Button GBR McLaren 5 in pits
4 Rosberg GER Mercedes 4 in pits
5 Maldonado VEN Williams 8 in pits
6 Hamilton GBR McLaren 6 in pits
7 Perez MEX Sauber 8 in pits
8 Räikkönen FIN Lotus 4 in pits
9 Grosjean FRA Lotus 5 in pits
10 Vettel GER Red Bull 4 in pits
11 Alonso ESP Ferrari 7 in pits
12 Hülkenberg GER Force India 8 in pits
13 di Resta GBR Force India 9 in pits
14 Kobayashi JPN Sauber 6 in pits
15 Massa BRA Ferrari 9 in pits
16 Ricciardo AUS Toro Rosso 8 in pits
17 Senna BRA Williams 8 in pits

out
18 Vergne FRA Toro Rosso 7 in pits
19 Kovalainen FIN Caterham 9 in pits
20 Petrov RUS Caterham 6 in pits
21 Glock GER Marussia 8 in pits
22 Pic FRA Marussia 8 in pits
23 de la Rosa ESP HRT 4 in pits
24 Karthikeyan IND HRT 6 in pits

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[Edited 2012-03-24 01:25:56]


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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10893 posts, RR: 37
Reply 6, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2187 times:

Qualifying 2 results

Pos Driver Team Laps
1 Räikkönen FIN Lotus 7 in pits
2 Button GBR McLaren 8 in pits
3 Rosberg GER Mercedes 11 in pits
4 Schumacher GER Mercedes 11 in pits
5 Hamilton GBR McLaren 9 in pits
6 Grosjean FRA Lotus 8 in pits
7 Webber AUS Red Bull 13 in pits
8 Alonso ESP Ferrari 13 in pits
9 Vettel GER Red Bull 8 in pits
10 Perez MEX Sauber 14 in pits

out
11 Maldonado VEN Williams 14 in pits
12 Massa BRA Ferrari 15 in pits
13 Senna BRA Williams 13 in pits
14 di Resta GBR Force India 15 in pits
15 Ricciardo AUS Toro Rosso 14 in pits
16 Hülkenberg GER Force India 13 in pits
17 Kobayashi JPN Sauber 12 in pits
18 Vergne FRA Toro Rosso 7 in pits
19 Kovalainen FIN Caterham 9 in pits
20 Petrov RUS Caterham 6 in pits
21 Glock GER Marussia 8 in pits
22 Pic FRA Marussia 8 in pits
23 de la Rosa ESP HRT 4 in pits
24 Karthikeyan IND HRT 6 in pits

Gear box will cost Kimi 5 places on the grid when he could be on pole... let's wait for Q3 and see what gives

  


Q3 and final grid Hammy takes pole
Schumi will start 3rd his best since he returned to F1
Looks like the Red Bulls are losing it but let's see...
we will not have the answer until the end of the race tomorrow

Driver Team

Third qualifying session completed

1 Great Britain L Hamilton McLaren
2 Great Britain J Button McLaren
3 Germany M Schumacher Mercedes
4 Australia M Webber Red Bull
5 Finland K Raikkonen Lotus
6 Germany S Vettel Red Bull
7 Switzerland R Grosjean Lotus
8 Germany N Rosberg Mercedes
9 Spain F Alonso Ferrari
10 Mexico S Perez Sauber
11 Venezuela P Maldonado Williams
12 Brazil F Massa Ferrari
13 Brazil B Senna Williams
14 Great Britain P Di Resta Force India
15 Australia D Ricciardo Toro Rosso
16 Germany N Hulkenberg Force India
17 Japan K Kobayashi Sauber
18 France J Vergne Toro Rosso
19 Finland H Kovalainen Caterham
20 Russian Federation V Petrov Caterham
21 Germany T Glock Marussia
22 France C Pic Marussia
23 Spain P de la Rosa HRT
24 India N Karthikeyan HRT

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I will be cheering Schumi tomorrow!

[Edited 2012-03-24 02:07:48]


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User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8447 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2184 times:

Hamilton on pole, Button 2nd. Another good start for McLaren!

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 6):
Gear box will cost Kimi 5 places on the grid when he could be on pole... let's wait for Q3 and see what gives

He's not. Only managed 5th. So a 10th place start for him.


User currently onlineaussie18 From Australia, joined Jun 2005, 1746 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2170 times:
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Nice qualifying result by Mclaren again,Vettel abit down on qualifying this season so see how he goes tomorrow as he got quite lucky last weekend in Melbourne.Good to see Schumacher qualifying so high.

User currently offlineCXB77L From Australia, joined Feb 2009, 2609 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2169 times:
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Quoting aussie18 (Reply 8):
Vettel abit down on qualifying this season so see how he goes tomorrow as he got quite lucky last weekend in Melbourne.

It's hardly luck. Vettel had a great race in Melbourne, to silence those critics who say that he can only race when he's in front.

Vettel also qualified on the harder tyre, which would explain his time difference to Webber.



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10893 posts, RR: 37
Reply 10, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2032 times:

Sepang the race is about to begin. There's lightnings all around and rain is expected at the start of the race, maybe they will start behind the safety car. If it rains then the track might be wet all through the race.

I like a wet track. It makes it all the more exciting!!!

              



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User currently offlineflood From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 1381 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2026 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 10):
I like a wet track. It makes it all the more exciting!!!

Yep, provided it doesn't pour. It's looking pretty good right now though... hopefully no interruptions or other delays today.

And go Schumi !  


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10893 posts, RR: 37
Reply 12, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2024 times:

Grosjean spun on the gravel. I think maybe the end of the race for him!!!

     

They are all on full wets... Heavy rain out there!!!

and yesss... Go Schumiiiiiiiiiiiiiii!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


  

safety car is out
I would have gone on full wets from right at the start
bolts of lightning hittling the track!!!

 bomb 

I love it today!!!!

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[Edited 2012-03-25 01:19:39]


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User currently offlineflood From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 1381 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2019 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 12):
Grosjean spun on the gravel. I think maybe the end of the race for him!!!

Serves him right for nudging Schumi into a spin earlier on   

There's still hope... safety car out now.


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10893 posts, RR: 37
Reply 14, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2015 times:

They are going to need another safety car!

 

Look at the weather conditions!!! They say another 30 minutes of this!!

              

Looks like they are going to suspend the race... meh!

 



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User currently offlineflood From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 1381 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2009 times:

Ferrari is even too slow in setting up their tents.

User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10893 posts, RR: 37
Reply 16, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2004 times:

Quoting flood (Reply 15):
Ferrari is even too slow in setting up their tents.

Ha Ha I noticed yes!!!

 

Wake up Stefano!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 Wow!



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User currently offlineflood From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 1381 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1992 times:

Track doesn't look bad at all from the safety car lap... they need to get on with it already.

User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10893 posts, RR: 37
Reply 18, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1990 times:

Quoting flood (Reply 17):
they need to get on with it already.

They should go on with the race. Should all be on the track already. These long stops are becoming ridiculous. Turns F1 into a little girl's sport.


 Wow!



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User currently onlineaussie18 From Australia, joined Jun 2005, 1746 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1986 times:
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Ready for another start,I can understand the frustration with waiting for the race to restart but safety is a paramount so just need to be patient and enjoy hopefully a good race.

Perez got lucky to be in position 3 behind the Mclarens.


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10893 posts, RR: 37
Reply 20, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 1974 times:

Sergio is doing a great race!!! He should definitely get Massa's seat!!!

Kamui took on Schumi!

Bring in more rain!!!

              



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User currently offlinefrancoflier From France, joined Oct 2001, 3750 posts, RR: 11
Reply 21, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 1968 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 20):
He should definitely get Massa's seat!!!

I think it's pretty much a given now. Especially after this performance and, by contrast, that of Massa...



Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit posting...
User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10893 posts, RR: 37
Reply 22, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1963 times:

Congratulations Sergio!!! Wonderful race and well deserved second place!!!!

Peter Sauber must be a happy bunny today!!!!!

        



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User currently offlineMIAspotter From Spain, joined Nov 2001, 2761 posts, RR: 25
Reply 23, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1948 times:

Great Race!

Well done to Fernando and Ferrari, finally!! hopefully the start of good things to come at Ferrari and of course well done to Sergio, great drive from him, if it wasnt for that overbrake he could have passed Fernando, or else had a nail-biting 10 laps.

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 20):
Sergio is doing a great race!!! He should definitely get Massa's seat!!!

Definitely!

Quoting francoflier (Reply 21):
I think it's pretty much a given now. Especially after this performance and, by contrast, that of Massa...

It seems that Massa is really not bothered, he doesn´t do anything, just go out and drive and see what happens.

And Red Bull.... make up your minds, ¨Retire the car¨ ... ¨keep going¨ ... ¨Stop the car¨

MIAspotter.



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User currently offlineCXB77L From Australia, joined Feb 2009, 2609 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1941 times:
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Wow, this was one of the best races I've seen in a long time. Congratulations especially to Perez, he drove a magnficent race to finish second.

Well done also to Senna for bringing some valuable points home for Williams. Unfortunately, for the second week in a row, Maldonado had to retire on the last lap after being in a points position. Nevertheless, it's good to see progress. Williams now has more points than they scored for the whole season last year.



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10893 posts, RR: 37
Reply 25, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 1976 times:

Maybe we will have a more competitive season with no one team supremacy over all the others? Maybe Red Bull or McLaren or Ferrari will not be winning races one after the other?

Not an absolute tifoso but I was happy to see Ferrari on the top step of the podium and Stefano taking the constructor's prize. This will make the coming races more challenging, this is very good.

Kimi's return is spicing up things. Congrats to Senna, di Resta and Vergne. I think race circumstances played in their favour. Hammy and Jenson did not do too good but they will have plenty more chances during the rest of the season.

I regret that Schumi had bad karma today with Grosjean but that's racing.

Today's race was exciting and fun. Thank you Sepang weather and thanks to all the teams and drivers!



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User currently offlinestealthz From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5692 posts, RR: 44
Reply 26, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1953 times:
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Quoting MIAspotter (Reply 23):
hopefully the start of good things to come at Ferrari

May be premature to claim a return to their glory days, I think the conditions leveled the field more than we have seen in recent times.
Silly mistakes from some "front runners" made things a bit easier.

Not sure what to think of the Red Bull..

Quoting MIAspotter (Reply 23):
¨Retire the car¨ ... ¨keep going¨ ... ¨Stop the car¨

Was it a cynical attempt to manipulate the rules, confusion or plain incompetence??



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User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10707 posts, RR: 9
Reply 27, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1948 times:

Great race no doubt. I didnt even think about watching it as I feared another humiliation of my favorite team, but I´m sick this weekend and just switched it on by chance to watch the second half. And that was fully worth it. If someone with an inferior car wins in bad conditions, he must be the best.

Quoting stealthz (Reply 26):
May be premature to claim a return to their glory days, I think the conditions leveled the field more than we have seen in recent times.
Silly mistakes from some "front runners" made things a bit easier.

Yes, sure there was some luck involved that suddenly saw Alonso in first position, but one should not forget that for more than half of the race he had all the other great drivers (with arguably better cars) behind him, and none could catch up. And Perez could only close in because he had better tyres. Hamilton, Webber, Vettel, they had no chance of closing the gap, they werent any faster than Alonso. Thats promising, though I dont expect Ferrari to be competitive every race from now on. But wouldnt it be nice?

Quoting MIAspotter (Reply 23):
And Red Bull.... make up your minds, ¨Retire the car¨ ... ¨keep going¨ ... ¨Stop the car¨

Stupid indeed. Add Vettels idiotic comment that "some drivers dont know where their car is". He just made a shortcut and touched the front wing of the overtaken car, it was absolutely his own mistake. I like Vettel, but I´m happy the Red Bull monotony seems to be over.


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Reply 28, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1876 times:
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Quoting na (Reply 27):
Stupid indeed. Add Vettels idiotic comment that "some drivers dont know where their car is". He just made a shortcut and touched the front wing of the overtaken car, it was absolutely his own mistake.

How was it Vettel's fault? He was lapping the backmarker, who has the obligation to get out of the way under the blud flag rule. That backmarker could've lifted off the throttle to let Vettel through.



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User currently offlineNewark727 From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 1342 posts, RR: 0
Reply 29, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1861 times:

Gaaaa, DVR cut out recording on lap 46. Was exciting up to that point though.

User currently offlineEZEIZA From Argentina, joined Aug 2004, 4964 posts, RR: 25
Reply 30, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1850 times:

Also due to the red flag, the DVR didn't record the whole race but I saw enough to see that Alonso is the one keeping Ferrari alive. He was superb, together with Perez. Obviously he had that amount of luck needed to win, but he managed to keep his pace and this time the team did their job perfectly, calling him to pit at the right time.
No, i don't think Ferrari is now competetive, but it sure feels great to win!! Forza Ferrari!!!



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User currently offlinegarpd From UK - Scotland, joined Aug 2005, 2649 posts, RR: 4
Reply 31, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1808 times:

I thoroughly enjoyed this weekend’s Grand Prix and found myself routing for Perez and the Sauber team.
Sauber have been a constant in F1 for as long as I can remember, the plucky little team who from time to time when the situation arose would give the big guns a run for their money as they worked their way through the field after a pit stop, spin, etc, and came up behind them. To see them finally get a podium was brilliant.

Forget Alonso, forget Hamilton, who’s Schumacher? Let’s congratulate Perez for what I vote as the best drive of the race.



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User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10707 posts, RR: 9
Reply 32, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1787 times:

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 28):
How was it Vettel's fault? He was lapping the backmarker, who has the obligation to get out of the way under the blud flag rule.

Karthikeyan drove on the extreme left, and Vettel cut him, leaving him no option as to go off track or step fully on the brakes. If Vettel would have been wiser, he would have made a gentler manouvre, as he wasnt under immediate pressure. If he knows there are less capable drivers, why dont his driving reflect it?
Vettel´s words were not worthy of a champion. If he´s not winning, his comments are often thin-skinned, I have noticed that before.

Quoting garpd (Reply 31):
Forget Alonso

Hear, hear! Dont forget Perez could only drive faster because he got the better tyres on his car, something even his team admitted. Perez surely drove great, but it was him who made a mistake, while Alonso was faultless. Thats why Alonso won, and thats why his performance must be regarded higher.


User currently offlinestealthz From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5692 posts, RR: 44
Reply 33, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1780 times:
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Quoting CXB77L (Reply 28):
How was it Vettel's fault? He was lapping the backmarker, who has the obligation to get out of the way under the blud flag rule. That backmarker could've lifted off the throttle to let Vettel through


The "backmarker" was out of the way.. once past an overtaken car it is the overtakers obligation to ensure he is clear before moving back in front, this is the rule on the back lanes of Europe, outback tracks of Australia and on race tracks around the world, Vettel cut it too fine and paid the price.. blame can be apportioned where you like, the only guilty party is Vettel!

The "backmarker" has an obligation to not impede the passing car, he has no obligation to back off and let him through.

SV screwed this, just as JB did earlier in the race.



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User currently offlinestealthz From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5692 posts, RR: 44
Reply 34, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1746 times:
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Quoting stealthz (Reply 33):
SV screwed this, just as JB did earlier in the race.

The difference being that the champion that JB is, accepted the blame, put it it behind him and moved on.. the petulant prat from RB blames, as always, others and sulks!!



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User currently offlinet1210s From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 171 posts, RR: 0
Reply 35, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1747 times:

the worst part about the Vettel incident is karthikeyan was given a retrospective drive through     the Trouble with Vettel is he's had Helmut Marko's head up his arse for the past two years telling how amazing he is. the phrase you only sing when your winning comes to mind.He could do worse than follow they way his idol Schumacher conducts himself, since his comeback he is much more humble than the arrogant SOB he was in his first carrier IMO

[Edited 2012-03-26 08:04:37]


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User currently offlineflipdewaf From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2006, 1568 posts, RR: 1
Reply 36, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1733 times:
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Quoting stealthz (Reply 34):
The difference being that the champion that JB is, accepted the blame, put it it behind him and moved on.. the petulant prat from RB blames, as always, others and sulks!!

He does seem very petulent sometimes, at least hamilton makes funny comments.

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User currently offlinegarpd From UK - Scotland, joined Aug 2005, 2649 posts, RR: 4
Reply 37, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1681 times:

Quoting stealthz (Reply 34):
the petulant prat from RB

I've been looking for a turn of phrase to describe SV.... that's just it!



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User currently offlineflood From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 1381 posts, RR: 1
Reply 38, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1652 times:

Quoting na (Reply 32):
Karthikeyan drove on the extreme left, and Vettel cut him, leaving him no option as to go off track or step fully on the brakes

The replay tells a rather different story, as Karthikeyan clearly moved to the right...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqVGEO0Yp9k&hd=1

Perhaps both drivers misjudged. But backmarkers aside, with Karthikeyan being behind and obviously having the better view, he shouldn't have moved right and could easily have avoided the accident.

That said, the bulk of the blame goes to Karthikeyan IMO. And I'm no fan of Vettel or RB... I'm glad to see their dominance coming to an end as well.

[Edited 2012-03-26 17:32:58]

User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10707 posts, RR: 9
Reply 39, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1599 times:

Quoting flood (Reply 38):

Both are at fault, thats the fact. Thanks for the link. I had only seen it life and one replay which gave me the impression Vettel cut short while Karthikeyan stayed in place. A minor crash which wouldnt have happened if Vettel would have been less hectic. Anyway, Vettels verbal reaction was not worthy of a champion. It was false and arrogant at the same time.


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Reply 40, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 1578 times:
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Quoting flood (Reply 38):
as Karthikeyan clearly moved to the right...

Equal opportunity disclaimer- Many will know I am no fan of SV but am also not a fan of NK and believe HRT have no place in F1,

NK was taking the line he committed to sometime earlier and SV drifted wide into that path, perhaps NK could have corrected or lifted a little but it is the overtakers obligation to execute the pass cleanly, SV's move was not the mark of a double world champion and his rant afterwards even less so!

2nd Disclaimer- Even more here know I am not a fan of Alonso or Scuderia Ferrari***
I have to congratulate both on their 1st place in Malaysia, a car that team and drivers admit is not up to par they managed the conditions and opportunities to score a properly deserved victory.

Perez, what can one say. After Monaco last year it seemed the early brilliance had been knocked out of him, seems he has found it again and we can likely expect much from him in the future. (Even makes orders to not offend the engine partner seem genuine   )

Cheers

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User currently offlineCXB77L From Australia, joined Feb 2009, 2609 posts, RR: 5
Reply 41, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1559 times:
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Quoting na (Reply 32):
Karthikeyan drove on the extreme left, and Vettel cut him, leaving him no option as to go off track or step fully on the brakes.
Quoting stealthz (Reply 33):
The "backmarker" was out of the way.. once past an overtaken car it is the overtakers obligation to ensure he is clear before moving back in front, this is the rule on the back lanes of Europe, outback tracks of Australia and on race tracks around the world,

I disagree. A backmarker is supposed to not impede on the progress of the leaders. That's what the blue flags are for. Karthikeyan should've lifted off the throttle to let Vettel back onto the racing line. Even if they were fighting for position, Vettel was a car length ahead. Racing room needs to be given.

Quoting stealthz (Reply 33):
SV screwed this, just as JB did earlier in the race.

Entirely different situation. Button's front wing clipped Karthikeyan's rear wheel as they were fighting for position. Karthikeyan's front wing clipped Vettel's rear wheel as he was being lapped.

Quoting na (Reply 39):
Anyway, Vettels verbal reaction was not worthy of a champion. It was false and arrogant at the same time.

Not the way I see it. The incident was Karthikeyan's fault. Vettel's race was ruined by a backmarker, and as such, he's understandably furious.



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User currently offlineBlueElephant From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 1813 posts, RR: 6
Reply 42, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1541 times:

Quoting stealthz (Reply 34):
The difference being that the champion that JB is, accepted the blame, put it it behind him and moved on.. the petulant prat from RB blames, as always, others and sulks!!

Bingo, SV didn't handle this situation very well, It seems if he's not at the front - he doesn't do extremely well to get himself there and then hates on everyone who got in his way. While Karthikeyan was at fault so was SV - he knew that NK would allow him to pass he just wasn't patient enough...

He also called out NK saying that NK didn't know where his car was...that argument could be used against him because it was his tyre that got slashed...me thinks that SV didn't know where his car was either.

Quoting stealthz (Reply 40):
*** Whilst not a fan of SF, if my Lotto numbers came up or my as yet unthought of startup has a $billion IPO I would have a Ferrari road car in a heartbeat!!

This is how I feel about Ferrari - I love their roadcars, I don't like their F1 team that much, although they've changed a bit since Dominicalli took over...for the better I think.


User currently offlineEZEIZA From Argentina, joined Aug 2004, 4964 posts, RR: 25
Reply 43, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1502 times:

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 41):
Not the way I see it. The incident was Karthikeyan's fault. Vettel's race was ruined by a backmarker, and as such, he's understandably furious

I disagree. K let SV enough room to overtake him and SV didn't take advantage of the situation. He ruined his own race. He should have waited until he was clear of the car behind him ... he certainly had the room to do it. Hey, even the best make mistakes every now and then (although most will never admit it)



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User currently offlinezckls04 From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 1348 posts, RR: 4
Reply 44, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1486 times:

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 41):
Not the way I see it. The incident was Karthikeyan's fault. Vettel's race was ruined by a backmarker, and as such, he's understandably furious.

I agree that it's clearly NK's fault, as all the replays clearly show. Vettel's actions afterwards failed to make me hate him any less though. NK made a mistake, in wet conditions. It happens. I think maybe he should have this video played to him:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okelnRKQSAk



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User currently offlinesudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 45, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 1392 times:

So now Massas performance is so poor that Domenicali need to remind us of how good Massa was 4 years ago. What a sad excuse..........
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/98433



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User currently offlineflipdewaf From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2006, 1568 posts, RR: 1
Reply 46, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 1382 times:
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/17550940

LOL! Is this the new battle? I kind of agree with NK, it might have been his fault but SV still should man up a bit and put his lip away.

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Reply 47, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 1358 times:

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 41):
I disagree. A backmarker is supposed to not impede on the progress of the leaders. That's what the blue flags are for. Karthikeyan should've lifted off the throttle to let Vettel back onto the racing line. Even if they were fighting for position, Vettel was a car length ahead. Racing room needs to be given.

Can not see why this still is an issue for some. It happened, get over it. If you like HRT to be on the grid or not has not value to the incident.
Some of these chamipions are smiling from ear to ear, but as soon as something happens which they can blame others for they are very fast doing so.



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User currently offlineCXB77L From Australia, joined Feb 2009, 2609 posts, RR: 5
Reply 48, posted (2 years 5 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 1348 times:
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Quoting sudden (Reply 47):
Can not see why this still is an issue for some. It happened, get over it. If you like HRT to be on the grid or not has not value to the incident.

 

It's not about whether I want HRT to be on the grid or not, it's about whose fault the incident was. In my view, the blame lies with Karthikeyan, and thus Vettel was entirely justified in saying what he said.



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User currently offlinesudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 49, posted (2 years 5 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1299 times:

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 48):
thus Vettel was entirely justified in saying what he said.

He's just like Hamilton; crying like a baby and being a drama queen at slightest setback. Vettel's race was scr-wed from when the lights went out, so this just gave him a nice reason to blame it on someone else. To say what he said is sure not worthy of a 2 time WDC holder.



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User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8447 posts, RR: 8
Reply 50, posted (2 years 5 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 1287 times:

Vettel is a cry baby. He's had a lot of luck over the past to years. He got lucky in 2010 (Only an outside chance heading into the final round). He had a few lucky breaks last year (like Monaco where he was toast without the red flag). He's yet to prove he has the qualities of a true champion and surely doesn't behave like one. His outbursts calling people gurken is, as Karthikyen says, unprofessional. People need a reality check and wake up and see that Vettel isn't the superstar talet they think he is.

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Reply 51, posted (2 years 5 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1260 times:
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Quoting sudden (Reply 49):
He's just like Hamilton; crying like a baby and being a drama queen at slightest setback.

Vettel and Hamilton are both competitors who dislike losing. Also, rather than being diplomatic, politically correct robots that a lot of the drivers are these days, they actually speak their mind. That's what I like about them.

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 50):
He's had a lot of luck over the past to years. He got lucky in 2010 (Only an outside chance heading into the final round). He had a few lucky breaks last year (like Monaco where he was toast without the red flag). He's yet to prove he has the qualities of a true champion and surely doesn't behave like one. His outbursts calling people gurken is, as Karthikyen says, unprofessional. People need a reality check and wake up and see that Vettel isn't the superstar talet they think he is.

Luck? No driver ever wins championships with "luck", they win because they have been consistenly brilliant throughout the season. Vettel may have been trying to throw away the championship during 2010, but he came back strongly, winning 3 out of the last 4 races - and if it wasn't for an engine failure in Korea, he would've won all four of the final races and be in a very strong posittion in Abu Dhabi. The fact that Webber and Alonso got held up by Petrov is not "luck", it was a tactical error on their team's part.

The quality of a true champion is talent. What he does off the track is irrelevant (I happen to like Raikkonen too, even if he does like a drink or ten away from the track and enjoys dangerous pursuits like snowmobile racing and rallying, it doesn't change the fact that he's a brilliant driver). Vettel has talent by the bucketload. His comments to the backmarker who ruined his race may have been impolite, but not everybody gets along in this world. Frankly, if I had been in that situation myself, I wouldn't be entirely complimentary either.

[Edited 2012-03-30 05:55:50]


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User currently offlinesudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 52, posted (2 years 5 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1240 times:

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 51):
Vettel and Hamilton are both competitors who dislike losing. Also, rather than being diplomatic, politically correct robots that a lot of the drivers are these days, they actually speak their mind. That's what I like about them.

This is where you fail to understanding the point made. Sure they can speak their mind, but don't forget to actually face your own faults when they are clearly made! Hamilton sucks when it comes to admit he did something wrong. Vettel sucks when it comes to admit he did something wrong! Pretty simple actually. It's one excuse after the other. A champion is also able to admit mistakes and go on doing what they are good at. But no no, lets bitch and moan instead.
Vettel, Hamilton and Massa are just the same cause as soon as something goes wrong in a race it starts a chain of event which they for sure will blame someone else for cause it could not have their own fault.
And Vettel has still not showed what he's able to do from further down the grid working his way up. Schumi did it, Hakkinen did it, Raikkonen went from last slot on the grid to end up on the podium while being sick (hungover?). This is something I seriously doubt that Vettel will be able to do cause he would smash in to everything while working his away to the front of the pack cause he's simply too much of a cry baby. Yes, he's blistering fast, but only as long as he is up front.



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User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8447 posts, RR: 8
Reply 53, posted (2 years 5 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1232 times:

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 51):
Luck? No driver ever wins championships with "luck", they win because they have been consistenly brilliant throughout the season.

Sure they don't. 11 poles which were only converted into four wins (The fifth win was gifted to him by Mark Webber who was on pole). His clashes with Button in Belgium and Webber in Turkey were pretty clumsy. And of course, the 'tactical errors' of his competitors is not luck at all? Just like Hamilton didn't get a stroke of luck in 2008 by Glocks 'tactical error' to try finish the Brazillian GP on dry tyres.

Quoting sudden (Reply 52):
A champion is also able to admit mistakes and go on doing what they are good at. But no no, lets bitch and moan instead.

Look at Jenson Button after his clash with Karthikyan. He took reponsibility.


User currently offlineCXB77L From Australia, joined Feb 2009, 2609 posts, RR: 5
Reply 54, posted (2 years 5 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 1215 times:
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Quoting sudden (Reply 52):
Sure they can speak their mind, but don't forget to actually face your own faults when they are clearly made!

Vettel did admit to making a mistake when he hit Button in Spa 2010, or when he slid wide on the last lap of the Canadian GP last year. I don't believe Vettel is at fault in the incident with Karthikeyan.

Quoting sudden (Reply 52):
And Vettel has still not showed what he's able to do from further down the grid working his way up.

I disagree:

2007 Chinese GP: Vettel qualified 17th, finished 4th.
2007 Japanese GP: Vettel qualified 8th, was running 3rd until a collision with Webber put them both out of the race
2008 Monaco GP: Qualified 19th, finished 5th.
2008 Canadian GP: Qualified 19th, finished 8th, albeit with 7 retirements, three of which were Alonso, Raikkonen and Hamilton.
2008 Belgian GP: Qualified 10th, finished 5th.

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 53):
Look at Jenson Button after his clash with Karthikyan. He took reponsibility.

Button's clash with Karthikeyan was quite different: it was Button's fault. Button's front wing clipped Karthikeyan's rear wheel as they were fighting for position. In anyone's language, that's the fault of the driver behind, which, in that case, is Button.

In contrast, it was Karthikeyan's front wing that clipped Vettel's rear wheel when he was being lapped. Even if they were fighting for position, Vettel was a car length ahead, not behind. So, if Button was at fault for hitting Karthikeyan, why isn't Karthikeyan similarly at fault when he hit Vettel's rear wheel? This is especially so considering that when a driver is being lapped, the onus is on the lapped driver to move out of the way.

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 53):
11 poles which were only converted into four wins (The fifth win was gifted to him by Mark Webber who was on pole).

Vettel also had his fair share of bad luck that year. He was leading Bahrain and Australia until mechanical issues caused his demise. He was also on the way to winning in Korea when his engine blew up. Vettel could conceivably have had 8 wins that year and put the championship beyond doubt. Yes, he's had his "clumsy" moments, and at times it seemed as though he was trying his best to throw away the championship, and Vettel may not be the most consistent driver that year. But as the old saying goes, "you make your own luck".

And I don't buy the "gifted" bit ... Webber has never been told to let Vettel through for a victory.

[Edited 2012-03-30 21:47:34]


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User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8447 posts, RR: 8
Reply 55, posted (2 years 5 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 1194 times:

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 54):
And I don't buy the "gifted" bit ... Webber has never been told to let Vettel through for a victory.

Yes but he has been told not to pass Vettel.


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Reply 56, posted (2 years 5 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1181 times:
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Quoting Bill142 (Reply 55):
Yes but he has been told not to pass Vettel.

Vettel has also been told not to pass Webber. Turkey 2009 springs to mind.

Being told to hold position to preserve two podium finishes is quite different from telling one driver to let the other through for a victory.



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User currently offlinesudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 57, posted (2 years 5 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 1140 times:

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 56):
Being told to hold position to preserve two podium finishes is quite different from telling one driver to let the other through for a victory.

You don't belive yourself that all is played out on the track, do you? Vettel is RBR's first driver, no matter what Horner says. Shall we take Siverstone 2010 as a good example? And to fresh up your memory....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1PmM7lkUt0

This was a typical example how Webber has to give way for Vettel. Sure, Webber is not as fast as Vettel, and he has issues getting his starts right, but don't try to convince me that Webber don't have to give way for Vettel cause that is simply bunch of bull. It's like Ferrari would ask Alonso to give way for Massa.



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User currently offlineCXB77L From Australia, joined Feb 2009, 2609 posts, RR: 5
Reply 58, posted (2 years 5 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 1116 times:
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Quoting sudden (Reply 57):
Shall we take Siverstone 2010 as a good example?

That's one example where I happen to agree Webber was hard done by. But it all came to nought, as Webber won the race.

Nothing of the sort happened since then. I maintain my view that being told to hold position is quite different from being told to swap positions, and indeed, even when the situtation had been reversed, Vettel had been told to hold position behind Webber. Unlike Ferrari, Red Bull allows its drivers to race. What's keeping Webber back is his lack of pace.



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10893 posts, RR: 37
Reply 59, posted (2 years 5 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1056 times:

An interesting article here. As an old F1 fan following races for years I must say I agree entirely. Except for the few old classics F1 tracks are now more or less the same.

The Pit Stop: F1's cookie cutter calendar
Our Grand Prix guru Keith Collantine laments the slow death of the interesting F1 track.

...
The F1 calendar has never been as homogenous as it is today. Pick a track at random and odds are it’ll be slightly over five kilometres (3.1 miles) long, have 15-18 turns and allow cars to hit a top speed of 320kph (199mph).

There are a few exceptions to the rule, and these are among the fans' favourite venues on the calendar.

read more:
http://bet.unibet.com/other-sports/f...stop-f1s-cookie-cutter-calendar/36

     



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10893 posts, RR: 37
Reply 60, posted (2 years 5 months 6 hours ago) and read 982 times:

Maldonado/Di Resta collision in Malaysia that was unseen on the world feed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wldUv9tmUc&

     



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User currently offlinezckls04 From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 1348 posts, RR: 4
Reply 61, posted (2 years 5 months 2 hours ago) and read 960 times:

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 51):
Luck? No driver ever wins championships with "luck", they win because they have been consistenly brilliant throughout the season

Exhibit A: the 1982 season.



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Reply 62, posted (2 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 941 times:
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Quoting zckls04 (Reply 61):
Exhibit A: the 1982 season.

Rosberg won that year because he had been consistent, not because he was lucky. He had 6 podiums that year, and of the 11 races that he finished, 10 of them were in the points. The same cannot be said of Pironi and Watson - the two runners up, who, despite also having 6 and 5 podium finishes respectively, Pironi only had 7 points finishes, and Watson 8. You might argue that Rosberg only won a single race that year, but when you consider nobody won more than 2 races in 1982, the picture becomes clearer. Winning the championship while winning one fewer race than one's opponent isn't unheard of.

1982 wasn't the last time that a driver won the title with fewer race wins than his opponents. It had been quite a frequent occurrence up until 1990.



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