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Should Spike Lee Go To Jail?  
User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8711 posts, RR: 24
Posted (2 years 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2914 times:

Spike Lee broadcast what he thought was George Zimmerman's (the man who shot Trayvon Martin) home address, to his 240,000 followers. The tweeted address was originally from another guy, who said "feel free to reach out and touch him" - a clear incitement for someone to attack.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documen...s/spike-lee-zimmerman-tweet-567891

As it happens, the address was wrong. But I see this as nothing less than terrorism. Anyone who sent or forwarded that tweet is guilty of incitement to do someone harm.

What do you think?


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User currently offlinefr8mech From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 5098 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (2 years 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2904 times:

The wrong address? Really doesn't matter. Mr. Lee doesn't have a legal duty to ensure his tweets are accurste. Maybe an ethical/moral obligation, but not legal. Has he apologized?

It's a low level form of terrorism. Certainly doesn't rise to the levels we see elsewhere.

As for going to jail...I don't believe it's illegal to publish, what is really, public information. Now, if it can be proved that some harm, emotional or physical (to include property) resulted from the tweet then I'm thinking a civil trial/penalty might be in order.

Of course, the person who acts on the tweet and does the 'harming' should be held criminally liable.



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User currently offlineWolbo From Netherlands, joined Mar 2007, 476 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (2 years 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2881 times:

So the definition of terrorism should now be expanded to include 'mentioning someones address in a broadcast'? Seriously?  

User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8711 posts, RR: 24
Reply 3, posted (2 years 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2865 times:

Quoting Wolbo (Reply 2):
So the definition of terrorism should now be expanded to include 'mentioning someones address in a broadcast'? Seriously?

Broadcasting an address to hundreds of thousands of people and effectively saying "go kill him"? How would you like it if it were your address?



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User currently offlinerfields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7345 posts, RR: 32
Reply 4, posted (2 years 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 2860 times:

Jail - no - I can't imagine anyone has a law that would apply.

Money - it will definitely cost him several ten of thousands of dollars for his lawyers before any settlement is made which will certainly be in the six to seven figure range. And no insurance is going to cover that.


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39478 posts, RR: 75
Reply 5, posted (2 years 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 2860 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Thread starter):
"feel free to reach out and touch him"

That could also mean a kiss on the check.  


Seriously though, Spike Lee did nothing wrong with advertising his address. People who have been convicted as 'sex offenders' have to register and their address is made public. Some get that conviction for simply urinating in public or grabbing a girl on her butt. That's far less serious than KILLING someone.
I have no sympathy for George Zimmerman.



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User currently offlinestarbuk7 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 599 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (2 years 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 2843 times:

Well now you have this situation:

Elderly couple forced out of home after tweet claims killer of Trayvon Martin lives there

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/03/28...ves/#ixzz1qONII6KM?test=latestnews

He should have to pay damages to this couple as well. Why are celebrities so stupid.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 5):
I have no sympathy for George Zimmerman.


Basically his tweet was meant for someone to go cause bodily harm to someone else, even if you have your opinions against someone, does not give you the right to incite violence towards them.


User currently offlinesprout5199 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1833 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (2 years 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 2823 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 5):
Seriously though, Spike Lee did nothing wrong with advertising his address. People who have been convicted as 'sex offenders' have to register and their address is made public. Some get that conviction for simply urinating in public or grabbing a girl on her butt. That's far less serious than KILLING someone.
I have no sympathy for George Zimmerman.


However, Has Mr Zimmerman been convicted? NO. Mr Lee did do something wrong, he convicted Mr Zimmerman, passed judgement and sentenced him to, at the minimum, harassement by others. Should he go to jail? I dont think so, but he should be held liable in a civil matter.

People are reacting to this case without knowing the facts. I dont know the facts so I will not comment on the case.

Dan in Jupiter


User currently offlinefr8mech From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 5098 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (2 years 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 2811 times:

Quoting Wolbo (Reply 2):
So the definition of terrorism should now be expanded to include 'mentioning someones address in a broadcast'? Seriously?

ter·ror·ize   /ˈtɛrəˌraɪz/ Show Spelled[ter-uh-rahyz] Show IPA
verb (used with object), -ized, -iz·ing.
1. to fill or overcome with terror.
2. to dominate or coerce by intimidation.
3. to produce widespread fear by acts of violence, as bombings.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/terrorize?s=t

terrorize:
1: to fill with terror or anxiety : scare
2: to coerce by threat or violence
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/terrorize

I think that you can easily make the leap that Mr. Lee's tweet was made with the intent 'to fill' Mr. Zimmerman with fear. Of course, it's not Mr. Zimmerman that got hit, is it?

I'm hoping Mr. Lee gets smacked with a 7 digit civil suit.



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User currently offlinewingman From St. Vincent and the Grenadines, joined May 1999, 2099 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (2 years 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 2793 times:

Didn't you same guys argue that Sarah shouldn't get free room and board at Marion Fed . Pen. for telling 61M registered Republicans to shoot the negro President with high powered, scoped rifles?

User currently offlineWestJet747 From Canada, joined Aug 2011, 1781 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (2 years 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 2770 times:

I think that celebrities raising awareness on important issues is a great thing (George Clooney was recently arrested for protesting outside the Sudanese embassy!)...but this is taking it way too far. I saw the tweet a couple hours after it went up because a friend had mentioned it on Facebook and my instinct was to ignore it because Spike Lee is less than a reputable human being. I'd go as far as to say he's recist, and I have no time for people like that.

As for lawsuits, that elderly couple needs to be compensated. This is totally unacceptable and Lee owes them a healthy cheque. I'm not even worried about Zimmerman, whether he is guilty or not, this old couple did nothing.

You think Lee would use his head before he did anything stupid like this considering he's married to a lawyer.  



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User currently offlineAirport From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (2 years 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 2770 times:

Jail? Not just no, but hell no. And I'm not sure how anyone who claims to love the Constitution could truly suggest such a thing.

You might not like Spike Lee and yes his tweet was irresponsible, but it doesn't matter who he is. He never directly threatened anybody nor did he choose for people to intimidate those homeowners. What he said was public information that falls every bit into 1st amendment rights.

Now that doesn't mean that he's exempt from consequences. Obviously I think the elderly couple ought to sue him for damages, and I think they deserve every penny they can get because it was a stupid, irresponsible tweet that caused damage.


User currently offlinefr8mech From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 5098 posts, RR: 12
Reply 12, posted (2 years 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 2766 times:

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 10):
As for lawsuits, that elderly couple needs to be compensated.

I'll add, that even if he got Mr. Zimmerman's address correct, he should be held civilly liable.

Quoting wingman (Reply 9):
Didn't you same guys argue that Sarah shouldn't get free room and board at Marion Fed . Pen. for telling 61M registered Republicans to shoot the negro President with high powered, scoped rifles?

Please cite.



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User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8711 posts, RR: 24
Reply 13, posted (2 years 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2726 times:

Quoting wingman (Reply 9):
Didn't you same guys argue that Sarah shouldn't get free room and board at Marion Fed . Pen. for telling 61M registered Republicans to shoot the negro President with high powered, scoped rifles?

Have you been reading Daily Kos again? When did she ever say any such thing?

Quoting Airport (Reply 11):
He never directly threatened anybody nor did he choose for people to intimidate those homeowners.

Yes he did. He has a mailing list of 240,000 or so "followers". It's a targeted mailing list.



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User currently offlineWestJet747 From Canada, joined Aug 2011, 1781 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (2 years 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2713 times:

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 12):
I'll add, that even if he got Mr. Zimmerman's address correct, he should be held civilly liable.

Agreed. I don't think this should have happened to anyone, but when it happens to an elderly couple who are forced to hide out in a hotel, it just makes it so much worse.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 13):
Yes he did. He has a mailing list of 240,000 or so "followers". It's a targeted mailing list.

That's how you and others infer it, there was no explicit threat. It wouldn't hold water in court. His first argument is going to be "FREE SPEECH!". Then when that gets old, they'll make the argument that Zimmerman's address is publically available information, and that Lee was publishing what is already public (not a crime).

But then again, they are in Florida, so who knows...



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User currently offlinesprout5199 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1833 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (2 years 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2687 times:

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 14):
But then again, they are in Florida, so who knows...


As a Native Floridian, I take offense to that. See you in court.  

Dan in Jupiter


User currently offlineWestJet747 From Canada, joined Aug 2011, 1781 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (2 years 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2667 times:

Quoting sprout5199 (Reply 15):
As a Native Floridian, I take offense to that. See you in court.

Can I still hide behind the First Ammendment if I'm not American?!  



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User currently offlinestarbuk7 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 599 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (2 years 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 2618 times:

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 14):
That's how you and others infer it, there was no explicit threat.


So, the quote “FEEL FREE TO REACH OUT & TOUCH HIM." is not a threat. Sounds like it is inciting bodily harm to me.

Even when William Zimmerman (the son of the elderly couple) pleaded with the man who tweeted the address, the man responded, "Black power all day. No justice, no peace" along with an obscenity.

Yea, nothing to fear here, no inciting of violence here, move along.

The media really screwed up here and now it looks like there will probably be lots more of this kind of behavior before it is all over.


User currently offlinesprout5199 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1833 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (2 years 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 2616 times:

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 16):
Can I still hide behind the First Ammendment if I'm not American?!

effn Canucks, think they are American. Just because its called North America, doesnt mean you are an American. We just need to make you a state, and be done with it. But Quebec can go to France, we will pay for the shipping.   


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User currently offlinewingman From St. Vincent and the Grenadines, joined May 1999, 2099 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (2 years 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 2595 times:

What's the daily kos? As in the island? Not sure what the connection is there. I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of people equating this to terrorism but not Palin's encouragement to shoot freely elected political representatives. I'll assume that none of you calling for Spike Lee's arrest in this case defended Palin in the prior case. Either that or you were consistent in also labeling her a terrorist in that case.

User currently offlineWestJet747 From Canada, joined Aug 2011, 1781 posts, RR: 10
Reply 20, posted (2 years 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 2582 times:

Quoting starbuk7 (Reply 17):
So, the quote “FEEL FREE TO REACH OUT & TOUCH HIM." is not a threat. Sounds like it is inciting bodily harm to me.

You kind of make my case by saying "sounds like it is inciting bodily harm to me". That is how you inferred it. Lee didn't say "feel free to reach out and cause him bodily harm". Let's say one of these protesters actually acted on their anger and assaulted Zimmerman, then turned around and said he did it cause Spike Lee told him to. The argument wouldn't hold up because at the end of the day, the defendant acted in malice based on his understanding of Lee's tweet, not the actual substance of it.

Don't get me wrong, Lee is an idiot for doing this (twice I think?), but all I'm saying is that he won't see a prison cell for it. The closest he'll get to a courtroom is for a civil suit.

Quoting starbuk7 (Reply 17):
The media really screwed up here and now it looks like there will probably be lots more of this kind of behavior before it is all over.

This I definitely agree with. But unfortunately I don't think the media will ever change. To think I used to want to be a journalist when I was a kid  
Quoting sprout5199 (Reply 18):
effn Canucks, think they are American. Just because its called North America, doesnt mean you are an American. We just need to make you a state, and be done with it.

Naw, I think we're pretty happy with our "socialized" healthcare the way it is  



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User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 10998 posts, RR: 52
Reply 21, posted (2 years 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2554 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Thread starter):
Should Spike Lee Go To Jail?  

As deplorable as what I think Spike Lee did, why should he go to jail? What crime did he commit?

There are lots of bad actions that people can do. Some of them are even immoral. But that does not make it illegal.

Quoting Airport (Reply 11):
Jail? Not just no, but hell no. And I'm not sure how anyone who claims to love the Constitution could truly suggest such a thing.

I agree.



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User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8711 posts, RR: 24
Reply 22, posted (2 years 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2528 times:

Quoting D L X (Reply 21):
As deplorable as what I think Spike Lee did, why should he go to jail? What crime did he commit?

In Brandenburg v. Ohio 1942, the USSC decided : ” . . . the constitutional guarantees of free speech and free press do not permit a State to forbid or proscribe advocacy of the use of force or of law violation except where such advocacy is directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action and is likely to incite or produce such action.”

Quoting Superfly (Reply 5):

That could also mean a kiss on the check.

Lee and the others who circulated this tweet clearly meant it to reach somebody who was willing to go to that house and "reach out and touch someone" - a very common euphemism used by snipers for shooting someone - a hack of an old AT&T commercial. Considering the tweet contained a street address, and not a phone number, surely they did not mean for people to simply give George a call. It was a call to murder.



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 18699 posts, RR: 58
Reply 23, posted (2 years 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2483 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Thread starter):
As it happens, the address was wrong. But I see this as nothing less than terrorism. Anyone who sent or forwarded that tweet is guilty of incitement to do someone harm.

That's an odd definition of terrorism.

Reckless endangerment maybe?


User currently offlineusflyer msp From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2026 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2475 times:

Oh please...."reach out and touch him" is not an incitement to do Zimmerman harm. It's actually a paraphrase of a Diana Ross song from the 70's about peace and the making the world a better place.

http://youtu.be/BWBryeMJ9Fc

Hardly, inciting a mob. The neocons are really reaching here....


User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 10998 posts, RR: 52
Reply 25, posted (2 years 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2521 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 22):
Quoting D L X (Reply 21):
As deplorable as what I think Spike Lee did, why should he go to jail? What crime did he commit?

In Brandenburg v. Ohio 1942, the USSC decided : ” . . . the constitutional guarantees of free speech and free press do not permit a State to forbid or proscribe advocacy of the use of force or of law violation except where such advocacy is directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action and is likely to incite or produce such action.”

Right. I get that, but that still does not define a crime. That says that the first amendment would not protect it (if this could be considered advocacy to incite violence, which is a very high burden to prove).

Again, what actual crime was committed?

An example is the guy that wrote the addresses of all the abortion doctors in the nation, and marked them out with a red line when the doctor died/was killed. The guy claimed First Amendment, the 9 Circuit said "no."
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/11/09/national/main7038067.shtml

But what the guy was convicted of was a federal law protecting the safety of abortion clinics, not saying something that wasn't protected by the First Amendment.



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User currently offlinefr8mech From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 5098 posts, RR: 12
Reply 26, posted (2 years 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2490 times:

Quoting wingman (Reply 19):
I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of people equating this to terrorism but not Palin's encouragement to shoot freely elected political representatives.

Once again, please cite.

Quoting usflyer msp (Reply 24):
Oh please...."reach out and touch him" is not an incitement to do Zimmerman harm. It's actually a paraphrase of a Diana Ross song from the 70's about peace and the making the world a better place.

Wow, that's a reach.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 23):
That's an odd definition of terrorism.

Terrorism is designed to incite fear. We equate it with violence, but terrorism is not just violence. Someone can be terrorized simply through words. This event doesn't rise to the level of terrorism that we're used to, but it most certainly fits definition.

But, having said that, I would not want Mr. Lee, nor his supplier, charged with any such thing.

For the legal types out there: if someone visited some act of violence on Mr. Zimmerman, and the person indicated that he was moved to such action, in part by Mr. Lee's tweet, would Mr. Lee now be criminally, as well as civillly liable?



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User currently offlinePSA53 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3049 posts, RR: 4
Reply 27, posted (2 years 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2481 times:

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 1):
It's a low level form of terrorism. Certainly doesn't rise to the levels we see elsewhere.
Quoting Airport (Reply 11):

Now that doesn't mean that he's exempt from consequences
Quoting fr8mech (Reply 12):

I'll add, that even if he got Mr. Zimmerman's address correct, he should be held civilly liable.

I agree that Lee should be arrested for assault,and if found guilty, punished for this hideous action on his person.His past behavior along with this Zimmerman address bit tells me his a racist terrorist.But he's protect by media/Hollywood.So much for that.He should be booed off the Knicks game court.

I believe, i read that Lee with other celebrities also gave monies to the black panthers militia group but I don't remember the source.

[Edited 2012-03-28 15:24:25]


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User currently offlinegeezer From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 1479 posts, RR: 2
Reply 28, posted (2 years 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2340 times:

If you were to ever get the amount of "use" I have for Spike Lee in your eye, you would never feel it !

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User currently offlinesccutler From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 5393 posts, RR: 26
Reply 29, posted (2 years 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 2327 times:

Quoting wingman (Reply 9):

Didn't you same guys argue that Sarah shouldn't get free room and board at Marion Fed . Pen. for telling 61M registered Republicans to shoot the negro President with high powered, scoped rifles?


Really?

In your alternate reality, did she tell you what color knickers to wear, as well?



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User currently offlineStarAC17 From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 3334 posts, RR: 9
Reply 30, posted (2 years 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 2314 times:

Quoting sprout5199 (Reply 18):
effn Canucks, think they are American. Just because its called North America, doesnt mean you are an American. We just need to make you a state, and be done with it. But Quebec can go to France, we will pay for the shipping.  

Do you want 35 million more liberals in the USA because that is what you get, conservatives in Canada are democrats.

Quoting wingman (Reply 19):
I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of people equating this to terrorism but not Palin's encouragement to shoot freely elected political representatives.

To be fair Sarah Palin put on her facebook page in the 2010 congressional campaign bullseye for districts that needed to be in play and said "Don't retreat, reload.". It could have been said better but only an idiot would see that as a reason to go and cap democratic members of congress.

IIRC the big controversy was that one of those district's was congresswomen Gifford's and we all know what happened there.



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User currently offlineflymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7005 posts, RR: 9
Reply 31, posted (2 years 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 2309 times:

If I was those "Zimmermans" I would sue. Jail? No probably not unless there was physical harm done to them. But I would certainly sue.

Quoting wingman (Reply 9):
Didn't you same guys argue that Sarah shouldn't get free room and board at Marion Fed . Pen. for telling 61M registered Republicans to shoot the negro President with high powered, scoped rifles?


Is this a serious statement?



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User currently offlineWestJet747 From Canada, joined Aug 2011, 1781 posts, RR: 10
Reply 32, posted (2 years 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2296 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 22):
It was a call to murder.

This is almost impossible to prove in court.

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 26):
if someone visited some act of violence on Mr. Zimmerman, and the person indicated that he was moved to such action, in part by Mr. Lee's tweet, would Mr. Lee now be criminally, as well as civillly liable?

I think he would almost certainly be detained for questioning in the initial investigation. But I highly doubt charges would come about because the DA would know the burden of proof is massively on the backs of the State.

Quoting StarAC17 (Reply 30):
Do you want 35 million more liberals in the USA because that is what you get, conservatives in Canada are democrats.

Slow down there! We're still Conservative, just much more moderate than our neighbours to the south, which would probably give the illusion of being Liberal in comparison.



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39478 posts, RR: 75
Reply 33, posted (2 years 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 2247 times:

Quoting usflyer msp (Reply 24):
."reach out and touch him" is not an incitement to do Zimmerman harm. It's actually a paraphrase of a Diana Ross song from the 70's about peace and the making the world a better place.

Perhaps a mob of bad karaoke singers singing "Reach Out And Touch" on his doorstep would be enough to make George Zimmerman kill himself.

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 26):
Wow, that's a reach.

No, it was a hit.
It was released April, 1970 and peaked at #20 on the pop charts and #7 on the R&B charts.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 22):
a hack of an old AT&T commercial.

Wrong. It was a Diana Ross song.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 22):
"reach out and touch someone" - a very common euphemism used by snipers for shooting someone. It was a call to murder.

Let's use the same logic and rational as George Zimmerman's 'friend' name Joe. "Reach Out And Touch Someone" can also be used as a term as endearment.

(skip to 13:01)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IKKqnF0WlE



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User currently offlineflyingclrs727 From United States of America, joined exactly 7 years ago today! , 733 posts, RR: 0
Reply 34, posted (2 years 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 2245 times:

Quoting starbuk7 (Reply 6):
He should have to pay damages to this couple as well. Why are celebrities so stupid.

I think he should have to pay for their new home and damages for the decreased value of their current home from which they have had to move. I'm sure their lawyers will come up with lots of theories why Spike Lee should pay even more.


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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39478 posts, RR: 75
Reply 35, posted (2 years 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 2241 times:

Spike Lee just apologized.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/cutline/...erman-address-tweet-015514123.html



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 18699 posts, RR: 58
Reply 36, posted (2 years 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2154 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 35):

Spike Lee just apologized.

So did Rush Limbaugh. Apologies are worthless. You cannot un-ring a bell.


User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 10998 posts, RR: 52
Reply 37, posted (2 years 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2142 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 36):
Apologies are worthless.

Apologies aren't worthless, but this particular one is. He says "it was a mistake" like he got the address wrong. He did not say "I was dumb for doing it." That would have been a worthwhile apology.



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User currently offlinePSA53 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3049 posts, RR: 4
Reply 38, posted (2 years 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2111 times:

From the newspaper:

I was surprised, given the gravity of the potential danger to the occupant living at the Edgewater Circle address, that other news outlets had not reported the case of mistaken identity already.

My opinions:
I feel the other local media outlets didn't report it because they're wanted to tone down the political rhetoric with Lee.But this had all the makings of another horrible tragedy gone wrong caused by Lee.And the media/Hollywood will protect him.And that sucks.Lee should be criminal charged.But I hope the McClains sue the hell out of him.

ESPN during the Knicks-Magic game keep asking where was Lee.

[Edited 2012-03-29 11:23:33]


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User currently offlinesoon7x7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 39, posted (2 years 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2001 times:

Yes!...for rote supidity. He is a threat to humanity! And take the New Black Panthers with him,...Buy the way,...what happened to the old ones?

User currently offlinezippyjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 5402 posts, RR: 12
Reply 40, posted (2 years 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1992 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Thread starter):
As it happens, the address was wrong. But I see this as nothing less than terrorism. Anyone who sent or forwarded that tweet is guilty of incitement to do someone harm.

What do you think?

Emotionally I agree but realistically Spike just demonstrated how he is an idiot and phony. I used to like him but after his anti-Semitic rants he can take his statements and work and shove it where the sun don't shine. If I were the family with that address that A Hole spike gave out I'd get a good lawyer and take him to the cleaners. Do the right thing and sue his ass off.



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User currently offlineAirport From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 41, posted (2 years 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1992 times:

Quoting soon7x7 (Reply 39):

Yes!...for rote supidity. He is a threat to humanity! And take the New Black Panthers with him,...Buy the way,...what happened to the old ones?

Please take a moment and read this.

I'm thrilled to see the New Black Panthers Party active and you should be too, because it reminds me that this country is still free.

[Edited 2012-03-29 22:23:26]

User currently onlinezkojq From New Zealand, joined Sep 2011, 1060 posts, RR: 1
Reply 42, posted (2 years 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1959 times:

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 10):
As for lawsuits, that elderly couple needs to be compensated. This is totally unacceptable and Lee owes them a healthy cheque.

He should do so out of goodwill at least.

Quoting Airport (Reply 11):
What he said was public information that falls every bit into 1st amendment rights.
Quoting D L X (Reply 37):
Apologies aren't worthless, but this particular one is. He says "it was a mistake" like he got the address wrong. He did not say "I was dumb for doing it." That would have been a worthwhile apology.

That won't fit into 140 characters or less. The message he tweeted was 140 characters.



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User currently offlinePSA53 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3049 posts, RR: 4
Reply 43, posted (2 years 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1900 times:

I have restored respect in both of Jon Stewart,whom I thought would never run a story on Lee, and some media calling out Lee for his actions.Here's a link of Stewart's entire program which intro's a hilarious story on the health care issue.Enjoy!




http://www.thedailyshow.com/full-epi...es/thu-march-29-2012-rachel-maddow



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User currently offlinesomething From United Kingdom, joined May 2011, 1633 posts, RR: 21
Reply 44, posted (2 years 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1859 times:

I just read about a somewhat similar case in Germany today. An 11 years old girl was raped and murdered in a city called Emden. Two days later the police arrested a 17 years old suspect and the first ''details'' emerged in the tabloids. ''Suspect has no alibi'', ''It doesn't look good for the suspect, says head of police''. Reason enough for some smart neighbors, who saw the police arrest the kid (in plainclothes), to share his name (illegal in Germany) and address (even more illegal) on Facebook. From what I understand there was some sort of group where people conspired to storm the police station to lynch the guy.

A day later, it turns out it can be ruled out that the suspect had anything to do with the murder and was just in the wrong place at the wrong time.

The German police is now leading an investigation against the police of Emden for arresting the guy in the eyes of the public, and has charged some 50 people for the comments they have posted on Facebook.

It's hard to prove who authored these comments so the prosecution will be anything but easy, but I hope they will be hit with the full gamut of the law. I'm usually the last person who believes in punishment or making examples of people, but this is one of those situations where the 'common man' has to be made understood that these lynchmob sentiments belong in the 14th century.



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User currently offlineIMissPiedmont From United States of America, joined May 2001, 6260 posts, RR: 34
Reply 45, posted (2 years 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 1779 times:

I wonder what Mr. Lee's response would be if I posted his address here. I doubt he would be amused and would not likely accept an apology. Civil suit by the people harmed is a given, unless he settles for a large (read huge) amount but I don't think jail.


Is grammar no longer taught is schools? Saying "me and her" or some such implies illiteracy.
User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 10998 posts, RR: 52
Reply 46, posted (2 years 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 1776 times:

Quoting IMissPiedmont (Reply 45):

I wonder what Mr. Lee's response would be if I posted his address here.

When people said they were going to do that, he said "go ahead, tough guy." Not kidding.

Quoting IMissPiedmont (Reply 45):
Civil suit by the people harmed is a given, unless he settles for a large (read huge) amount but I don't think jail.

The matter has already been settled. He paid for the couple's expenses and an additional undisclosed amount.



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User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5958 posts, RR: 17
Reply 47, posted (2 years 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 1755 times:

Didnt Justin Bieber just do this also to some great grandmother? Is he a terrorist?


Listen Betty, don't start up with your 'White Zone' s*** again.
User currently offlinezippyjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 5402 posts, RR: 12
Reply 48, posted (2 years 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1704 times:

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 47):
Didnt Justin Bieber just do this also to some great grandmother? Is he a terrorist?

His awful singing voice, lack of talent and obnoxious personality is terrorism enough! I hope his supposed relationship with Selena Gomez is just a Hollywood big money publicity stunt. Selena is too hot looking for that wimpy twerp. Nothing against Gays but I'd bet money the Biebs will be outed from his cloistered closet within the next five years.

Quoting D L X (Reply 46):
Quoting IMissPiedmont (Reply 45):

I wonder what Mr. Lee's response would be if I posted his address here.

When people said they were going to do that, he said "go ahead, tough guy." Not kidding.

Quoting IMissPiedmont (Reply 45):
Civil suit by the people harmed is a given, unless he settles for a large (read huge) amount but I don't think jail.

The matter has already been settled. He paid for the couple's expenses and an additional undisclosed amount.

A-hole racist Mr. Spike Lee should man up and publicly apologize on TV. Let him be interviewed by Piers Morgan. Better yet Howard Stern and or Simon Cowell. Chances are if Spike would do this he'd be interviewed by Oprah Moo Cow Winfrey with that satanic laugh of hers.



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User currently offlineDarkSnowyNight From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1281 posts, RR: 3
Reply 49, posted (2 years 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1582 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 36):

So did Rush Limbaugh. Apologies are worthless. You cannot un-ring a bell.

Correct. And since when are apologies in matters like this all that sincere anyway?

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 40):
Do the right thing and sue his ass off.

Lol, that's great! They just better get a lawyer who knows the system very well; a real Inside Man...



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User currently offlineslider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6661 posts, RR: 35
Reply 50, posted (2 years 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1546 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 22):
In Brandenburg v. Ohio 1942, the USSC decided : ” . . . the constitutional guarantees of free speech and free press do not permit a State to forbid or proscribe advocacy of the use of force or of law violation except where such advocacy is directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action and is likely to incite or produce such action.”

And by the same metric, what Al Sharpton and Je$$e Jack$on have said are also thinly veiled incitements to violence.

I don't know where the legal line is specifically drawn, but these asshats cling to just where that line is: bombastic enough to fan the flames of the racebaiting they make their living off of, but just on the edge of not being charged.

it's despicable either way and if anyone doesn't believe the intent of Spike Lee's Tweet was to have vigilantism committed against Zimmerman, they're horribly naive and deliberately obtuse.


User currently offlinebjorn14 From Norway, joined Feb 2010, 3277 posts, RR: 2
Reply 51, posted (2 years 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1425 times:

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 20):
The closest he'll get to a courtroom is for a civil suit.

Not even that close as Sheldon settled with the couple for an undisclosed amount.

What he did was the equivalent of yelling fire in a crowded theater which is not covered by free speech.



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User currently offline2707200X From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 8030 posts, RR: 1
Reply 52, posted (2 years 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 1407 times:

Quoting slider (Reply 50):
Al Sharpton and Je$$e Jack$on have said are also thinly veiled incitements to violence.

Where in this case have they incited violence?



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