Sponsor Message:
Non Aviation Forum
My Starred Topics | Profile | New Topic | Forum Index | Help | Search 
Could Dodge Drop A Cummins In The Sprinter  
User currently offline747400sp From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3649 posts, RR: 2
Posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 1987 times:

After my last Cummins ISB topic, I started wondering, could Dodge drop a Cummins ISB in their Sprinter?

15 replies: All unread, jump to last
 
User currently offlinetugger From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 5629 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1984 times:

I don't think Dodge "owns" the Sprinter anymore. It was a Mercedes platform and as I understand it Mercedes kept it when they split off Chrysler again.

Tugg



I don’t know that I am unafraid to be myself, but it is hard to be somebody else. -W. Shatner
User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7781 posts, RR: 16
Reply 2, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1973 times:

Quoting tugger (Reply 1):
I don't think Dodge "owns" the Sprinter anymore. It was a Mercedes platform and as I understand it Mercedes kept it when they split off Chrysler again.

That pretty much makes the answer no. Plus the Cummins ISB is a HUGE engine, doubt it would fit in the Sprinter's engine bay which fits much smaller I-5 and V6 diesels (depending on the generation).



Stop drop and roll will not save you in hell. --- seen on a church marque in rural Virginia
User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7444 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1933 times:

Why worry about it, you'll be getting either a Fiat Ducato or Iveco Daily as the next Dodge Ram Van. FYI the Sprinter is a joint venture with VW, their version is called the Crafter.

User currently offlinesrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1918 times:

Dodge no longer sells the Sprinter, as with the divorce from Daimler, they no longer carried the Sprinter and it is now sold via Mercedes dealerships.

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 3):
Why worry about it, you'll be getting either a Fiat Ducato or Iveco Daily as the next Dodge Ram Van. FYI the Sprinter is a joint venture with VW, their version is called the Crafter.

Still no announced timetable for that. The Ducato is currently built in Mexico for the Mexican market and that plant will be the likely plant for the Ram variant of it.

http://www.allpar.com/cars/adopted/fiat/vans.html

I could see the Ducato has well as the Doblo being sold in the US market, the Daily may end up here is the Ducato sales warrant it. They will definitely need to bring them to market prior Ford's introduction of the Transit (and phasing out of the E-Series).

Chrysler not having a commercial van at this time is costing it potential sales that are ending up with Mercedes, Ford and even Nissan (I'm seeing more and more of the Nissan NV on the roads.).


User currently offlineGBLKD From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2011, 345 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1905 times:

Why would anyone want to drop a Cummins into a Sprinter? Every Sprinter I have driven had been powerful and smooth with the Merc engine.

If something isn't broken why try and fix it?


User currently offline747400sp From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3649 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1834 times:

Quoting GBLKD (Reply 5):
Why would anyone want to drop a Cummins into a Sprinter? Every Sprinter I have driven had been powerful and smooth with the Merc engine.

If something isn't broken why try and fix it?



Even Though Chrysler, do not build the Sprinter anymore, and I now realize the ISB would not fit, I think about, if Chrysler still built the Sprinter, and it engine bay could house an ISB, and I think about how powerful of a van the Sprinter would be. It would out do the Chevy Express, Ford E350 or future Transit, and Nissan NV 3500, so that why I would want to put an ISB in a Sprinter.


User currently offlineFlight152 From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 3400 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1809 times:

Quoting 747400sp (Reply 6):
if Chrysler still built the Sprinter

Chrysler never built the Sprinter. It was always built by Mercedes but previously sold under the Dodge name.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32898 posts, RR: 71
Reply 8, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1787 times:

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 3):

Why worry about it, you'll be getting either a Fiat Ducato or Iveco Daily as the next Dodge Ram Van. FYI the Sprinter is a joint venture with VW, their version is called the Crafter.


It's not a joint venture per se. The Sprinter is 100% Mercedes. Mercedes sells Volkswagen the body shells.

Quoting srbmod (Reply 4):
I could see the Ducato has well as the Doblo being sold in the US market, the Daily may end up here is the Ducato sales warrant it. They will definitely need to bring them to market prior Ford's introduction of the Transit (and phasing out of the E-Series).

The Doblo has long been confirmed for an early 2013 U.S. launch. The plant that builds it is currently undergoing a $160M expansion to add capacity for North American export.

Quoting srbmod (Reply 4):
Still no announced timetable for that. The Ducato is currently built in Mexico for the Mexican market and that plant will be the likely plant for the Ram variant of it.

The Ducato is not currently built in Mexico. Chrysler's Saltillo plant will begin Ducato production next year for the North American market.



a.
User currently offlineLarshjort From Denmark, joined Dec 2007, 1479 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1778 times:

Quoting GBLKD (Reply 5):
Why would anyone want to drop a Cummins into a Sprinter? Every Sprinter I have driven had been powerful and smooth with the Merc engine.

If something isn't broken why try and fix it?

Whe just got a Sprinter 316CDI with 163 hp at my work place. It is plenty fast for everything we need, including doing 90mph on the autobahn

Quoting 747400sp (Reply 6):
Even Though Chrysler, do not build the Sprinter anymore, and I now realize the ISB would not fit, I think about, if Chrysler still built the Sprinter, and it engine bay could house an ISB, and I think about how powerful of a van the Sprinter would be. It would out do the Chevy Express, Ford E350 or future Transit, and Nissan NV 3500, so that why I would want to put an ISB in a Sprinter.

Why does a van delivering mail or boxes need more than 150hp? So it can get to the speed limit 0.2s faster than the competitors and save the driver 4m34,3s a day while using $10 more gas? I think they should have put the Viper V10 engine in the Sprinter.



139, 306, 319, 320, 321, 332, 34A, AN2, AT4, AT5, AT7, 733, 735, 73G, 738, 739, 146, AR1, BH2, CN1, CR2, DH1, DH3, DH4,
User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7444 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1776 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 8):
It's not a joint venture per se. The Sprinter is 100% Mercedes. Mercedes sells Volkswagen the body shells.

You sure about that, I have always been under the impression that it was jointly designed, rather like the first Sprinter which Mercedes bought from VW, the second generation was jointly developed with Mercedes and they continued the deal with the third.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32898 posts, RR: 71
Reply 11, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 1751 times:

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 10):
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 8):
It's not a joint venture per se. The Sprinter is 100% Mercedes. Mercedes sells Volkswagen the body shells.

You sure about that, I have always been under the impression that it was jointly designed, rather like the first Sprinter which Mercedes bought from VW, the second generation was jointly developed with Mercedes and they continued the deal with the third.

Yes, I'm fairly certain.

Mercedes designs the body shell, VW buys the bodies, each engineers them individually.



a.
User currently offline747400sp From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3649 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1679 times:

The funny thing about this, is that the Sprinter replaced the RAM van, which was based off the RAM platform. I bet a new Ram van, could get a ISB shoe horn in it.


I will give a Sprinter it credit though, because I have seen a Sprinter, pull an IC 3900 type D school bus, out of the mud, under both vehicle power.


User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7444 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1607 times:

Quoting 747400sp (Reply 12):
The funny thing about this, is that the Sprinter replaced the RAM van, which was based off the RAM platform.

Are you trying to say the Sprinter is built on the RAM platform, if you are then you are wrong, it's not.


User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7781 posts, RR: 16
Reply 14, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1605 times:

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 13):
Quoting 747400sp (Reply 12):
The funny thing about this, is that the Sprinter replaced the RAM van, which was based off the RAM platform.

Are you trying to say the Sprinter is built on the RAM platform, if you are then you are wrong, it's not.

I think you misread him, but he is still equally wrong. The Dodge Ram Van is on its own platform (B-series) that dates back to 1971(!!!). It used a wide variety of 6 and 8 cylinder gas engines that were common to other large rwd Mopars at the time. I doubt the any of the Cummins diesel engines would fit as that thing, even in the small 5.9L form, is a huge heavy engine.



Stop drop and roll will not save you in hell. --- seen on a church marque in rural Virginia
User currently offlineTSS From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 3068 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (2 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1565 times:

Quoting DesertJets (Reply 14):
The Dodge Ram Van is on its own platform (B-series) that dates back to 1971(!!!).

Like the Ford E-series vans it was a box on wheels, so the only changes necessary were those mandated by changing government regulations.

Quoting DesertJets (Reply 14):
It used a wide variety of 6 and 8 cylinder gas engines that were common to other large rwd Mopars at the time. I doubt the any of the Cummins diesel engines would fit as that thing, even in the small 5.9L form, is a huge heavy engine.

Everything from the Slant 6 to the 440 big block V8 was available in the B-series van at one time or another. Since the Slant 6 was fairly long and the 440 was neither particularly narrow nor especially light, I'm thinking that a Cummins diesel could have been made to fit.



Able to kill active threads stone dead with a single post!
Top Of Page
Forum Index

This topic is archived and can not be replied to any more.

Printer friendly format

Similar topics:More similar topics...
If You Could Change One Thing In The World... posted Fri Dec 2 2005 01:28:42 by Aloges
This Is A Party I Could Believe In,The P.I.G Party posted Mon Mar 22 2010 06:52:26 by ATTart
Fiat Group Could Enter In The Chrysler Capital posted Mon Jan 19 2009 09:54:12 by NewAlitalia
Could Van Hool TD 925 Become A Success In The US? posted Mon Aug 18 2008 08:36:59 by 747400sp
Could This Be The Dumbest Guy In The World? posted Fri Jun 30 2006 05:19:09 by AAFLT1871
If You Could Have Dinner With Anybody In The World posted Tue Feb 7 2006 18:38:13 by Birdwatching
If You Could Live In Any City In The World! posted Sun May 1 2005 00:26:43 by LegalEagle
Tallest Building In The World Planned For Tucson posted Thu Apr 5 2012 16:08:05 by mke717spotter
Any Doctors In The House? Gastrointestinal Issues posted Mon Mar 26 2012 22:46:12 by PHX787
2011-What Do You Hope For Yourself In The New Year posted Mon Jan 3 2011 11:09:06 by tugger