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F1 2012: Chinese Grand Prix  
User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10905 posts, RR: 37
Posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 1680 times:

April 13-15
Shanghai International Circuit
Shanghai, China

Circuit Length 5.451kms 56 laps
Circuit Turns 16 Circuit Direction Clockwise
Capacity 200,000 Established 2004
Designer Hermann Tilke

     

Free practice 1

1 LC Hamilton (GBR) McLaren 1'37.106
2 N Rosberg (GER) Mercedes 1'38.116
3 M Schumacher (GER) Mercedes 1'38.316
4 S Perez (MEX) Sauber 1'38.584
5 K Kobayashi (JPN) Sauber 1'38.911
6 M Webber (AUS) Red Bull 1'38.977
7 S Vettel (GER) Red Bull 1'39.198
8 J Button (GBR) McLaren 1'39.199
9 D Ricciardo (AUS) Toro Rosso 1'39.748
10 JE Vergne (FRA) Toro Rosso 1'39.768
11 F Alonso (ESP) Ferrari 1'40.056
12 F Massa (BRA) Ferrari 1'40.153
13 V Bottas (FIN) Williams 1'40.298
14 N Hülkenberg (GER) Force India 1'40.328
15 P Maldonado (VEN) Williams 1'40.540
16 H Kovalainen (FIN) Caterham 1'41.071
17 R Grosjean (FRA) Lotus 1'41.204
18 T Glock (GER) Marussia 1'42.330
19 G Van der Garde (NED) Caterham 1'42.521
20 J Bianchi (FRA) Force India 1'44.118
21 PM de la Rosa (ESP) HRT 1'44.227
22 C Pic (FRA) Marussia 1'44.500
23 KRN Karthikeyan (IND) HRT 1'47.204
24 KM Räikkönen (FIN) Lotus 1'50.465

     

Free practice 2

1 M Schumacher (GER) Mercedes 1'35.973
2 LC Hamilton (GBR) McLaren 1'36.145
3 S Vettel (GER) Red Bull 1'36.160
4 M Webber (AUS) Red Bull 1'36.433
5 N Rosberg (GER) Mercedes 1'36.617
6 J Button (GBR) McLaren 1'36.711
7 K Kobayashi (JPN) Sauber 1'36.956
8 P di Resta (GBR) Force India 1'36.966
9 N Hülkenberg (GER) Force India 1'37.191
10 F Alonso (ESP) Ferrari 1'37.316
11 S Perez (MEX) Sauber 1'37.417
12 D Ricciardo (AUS) Toro Rosso 1'37.616
13 KM Räikkönen (FIN) Lotus 1'37.836
14 JE Vergne (FRA) Toro Rosso 1'37.930
15 R Grosjean (FRA) Lotus 1'37.972
16 P Maldonado (VEN) Williams 1'38.176
17 F Massa (BRA) Ferrari 1'38.293
18 B Senna (BRA) Williams 1'38.783
19 H Kovalainen (FIN) Caterham 1'38.990
20 V Petrov (RUS) Caterham 1'39.346
21 T Glock (GER) Marussia 1'39.651
22 PM de la Rosa (ESP) HRT 1'40.343
23 C Pic (FRA) Marussia 1'40.753
24 KRN Karthikeyan (IND) HRT 1'41.125

     


There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde
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User currently offlineemrecan From Turkey, joined Feb 2000, 940 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 1640 times:

Great result from Schumi!!!!

Let's hope to see him in the same position for the qual.


User currently offlineltbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13138 posts, RR: 15
Reply 2, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 1628 times:

Schumi looking good...Hamilton (the Madame's fave) looking good too. I just got to figure out when they will show this race here in the USA. It may be live or on tape delay, and on a minor channel I will have to hunt for.

I know I may be a troublemaker for bringing this up, but an article on msnbc.com, a major news website here in the USA, had an article discussing the serious moral conflicts facing F1 with races located in politically difficult places like PRC and more notably Bahrain with it's recent uprisings against an authoritarian government with major and deadly repression of political opposition. There is pressure on advertisers and sponsors to race in such places to reach new and huge markets.Bernie I am quite sure is getting his cut for racing in controversial countries Of course this is nothing new to F1 with 1930's Germany being part of one of the most controversial eras in racing history, races that were held in South Africa during the Apartheid era and some would say having a race in the USA is controversial for F1 fans outside the USA for political reasons as well. Some race sites are in tax dodging locations with it own set of controversies. So what do you guys here, especially outside the USA, think about F1 racing in politically controversial and authoritian countries ?   


User currently offlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12633 posts, RR: 46
Reply 3, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 1622 times:
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Quoting emrecan (Reply 1):
Great result from Schumi!!!!
Quoting ltbewr (Reply 2):
Schumi looking good...



The Mercedes looks good in practice, but is not delivering when it really matters. One point from two races tells you something.

Hamilton to take a 5-place drop on the grid because of a gearbox change.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/17686441



Time flies like an arrow, but fruit flies like a banana!
User currently offlinerifkyrifky From Indonesia, joined Feb 2011, 28 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 1621 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Thread starter):
24 KM Räikkönen (FIN) Lotus 1'50.465

Hm.. Very poor lap on the first free practice by Kimi  
Quoting MadameConcorde (Thread starter):

But thank god he got the 2nd one quite well haha

I really hope Kimi does well on the Chinese and all of the Grand Prix!  

Regards,
Rifky


User currently offlinemoo From Falkland Islands, joined May 2007, 4016 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 1620 times:

I used to really look forward to a Hamilton drive, but these days I find myself watching Button or Vettel instead, and waiting for Hamilton to do something stupid or uncouth.

 


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10905 posts, RR: 37
Reply 6, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 1619 times:

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 2):
Hamilton (the Madame's fave)

Sorry to say this but not anymore... I don't support the choices he has made. He is no longer the same Hammy he was when I saw him the first year he came to Monaco. He has now moved here. This is the building.
http://www.emporis.fr/building/leroccabella-monaco-monaco
The McLaren store is just some steps away.

Anyway, this is a really funny video from Shanghai two years ago.

Sebastien Buemi and the cat

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQYMpZxPe4k

  



There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde
User currently offlinemoo From Falkland Islands, joined May 2007, 4016 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 1611 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 6):
Anyway, this is a really funny video from Shanghai two years ago.

Sebastien Buemi and the cat

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQYMp...xPe4k

This one from this morning:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/17699329

Race engineer to Timo Glock: "Do you need new underwear, or are you alright?"


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10905 posts, RR: 37
Reply 8, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 1611 times:

Quoting moo (Reply 7):
Race engineer to Timo Glock: "Do you need new underwear, or are you alright?"

Cannot play media. Sorry, this media is not available in your territory.

 



There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde
User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8458 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 1608 times:

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 2):
Bernie I am quite sure is getting his cut for racing in controversial countries Of course this is nothing new to F1 with 1930's Germany being part of one of the most controversial eras in racing history, races that were held in South Africa during the Apartheid era and some would say having a race in the USA is controversial for F1 fans outside the USA for political reasons as well.

Bernie thinks the drivers are a bunch of over paid Prima-donnas. He would probably send them to race through a Chernobyl type place if given the chance.

Quoting scbriml (Reply 3):
The Mercedes looks good in practice, but is not delivering when it really matters. One point from two races tells you something.

They seem to have some reliability issues and a lack of consistent race pace. However their rear wing has been made legal so expect everyone to start copying it over the next few races.


User currently offlineflipdewaf From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2006, 1577 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 1602 times:
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Quoting Bill142 (Reply 9):
However their rear wing has been made legal so expect everyone to start copying it over the next few races.

I Thnink they all knew it was legal really but the issue remains that it is easy and cheap to design a car with it in but not easy to design it in after the fact, I don't expect to see it in many ther cars this year.

Fred


User currently offlinemoo From Falkland Islands, joined May 2007, 4016 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 1597 times:

Quoting flipdewaf (Reply 10):
I Thnink they all knew it was legal really but the issue remains that it is easy and cheap to design a car with it in but not easy to design it in after the fact, I don't expect to see it in many ther cars this year.

This is easier than the original F-duct would have been, as the main issue with that was that the body was homogulated at the start of the season, meaning that if you didn't have a well placed hole it in to start off with, you won't have any luck placing the duct.

In this case, rear wings and front wings are not, so you can add the ducts and duct work to them easily enough.

Christian Horner made an interesting comment on this situation, and one I've thought personally for ages - his issue with it is that he wants guarantees that it won't simply be banned at the end of this season, like so many things. F1 is supposed to have a focus on cost savings these days, but all too often we are seeing something being heavily developed for a single season only to have it banned and the money goes to waste.

He has a point...


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10905 posts, RR: 37
Reply 12, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 1555 times:

Shanghai

Kung Fu Vettel: Drive of the Dragon

Formula One World Champion Sebastian Vettel started his Chinese Grand Prix weekend in unusual fashion on Wednesday, starring in a martial arts short film alongside Hollywood actress, model and martial arts expert Celina Jade.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28u5c8zf5m4

  



There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde
User currently offlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12633 posts, RR: 46
Reply 13, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 1539 times:
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Quoting Bill142 (Reply 9):
However their rear wing has been made legal so expect everyone to start copying it over the next few races.

Yes, but if it's not worth much (anything?) in race conditions (when DRS use is limited), then there's no compelling reason for other teams to copy it.



Time flies like an arrow, but fruit flies like a banana!
User currently offlinemoo From Falkland Islands, joined May 2007, 4016 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 1531 times:

Quoting scbriml (Reply 13):
Yes, but if it's not worth much (anything?) in race conditions (when DRS use is limited), then there's no compelling reason for other teams to copy it.

However, for a team with an already fast car, the gains it offers in qualifying are most certainly worth it - Ferrari might not gain anything from it, but it might serve to lock out the front row a few more times for McLaren.


User currently offlinesudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 1521 times:

Quoting flipdewaf (Reply 10):
I Thnink they all knew it was legal really but the issue remains that it is easy and cheap to design a car with it in but not easy to design it in after the fact, I don't expect to see it in many ther cars this year.

the wing is not like the floor or side pods, so therefore it can be made afterwards without having to make major changes to rear of the car. We will most likely see most of the team run this rear wing within a couple of races.



When in doubt, flat out!
User currently offlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12633 posts, RR: 46
Reply 16, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1508 times:
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Quoting sudden (Reply 15):
the wing is not like the floor or side pods, so therefore it can be made afterwards without having to make major changes to rear of the car.

But it's not actually a rear wing device.   

It's basically an F-duct that's already built into the car and is simply "exposed" when DRS opens the rear wing flap. The air taken in through those ducts is routed to the front wing where it exits through the lower surface, stalling the front wing and reducing drag in a straight line.

The issue for the other teams is how they engineer those ducts into cars that were not designed to allow for them.

A good explanation here (which also echos my point about Mercedes race results):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKUziKDe51A



Time flies like an arrow, but fruit flies like a banana!
User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8458 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1495 times:

Quoting scbriml (Reply 13):
Yes, but if it's not worth much (anything?) in race conditions (when DRS use is limited), then there's no compelling reason for other teams to copy it.

Paddy Lowes comments would imply that McLaren, at least, feel otherwise.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/98691


User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8866 posts, RR: 24
Reply 18, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 1491 times:

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 2):

I know I may be a troublemaker for bringing this up, but an article on msnbc.com, a major news website here in the USA, had an article discussing the serious moral conflicts facing F1 with races located in politically difficult places like PRC and more notably Bahrain with it's recent uprisings against an authoritarian government with major and deadly repression of political opposition. There is pressure on advertisers and sponsors to race in such places to reach new and huge markets.Bernie I am quite sure is getting his cut for racing in controversial countries Of course this is nothing new to F1 with 1930's Germany being part of one of the most controversial eras in racing history, races that were held in South Africa during the Apartheid era and some would say having a race in the USA is controversial for F1 fans outside the USA for political reasons as well. Some race sites are in tax dodging locations with it own set of controversies. So what do you guys here, especially outside the USA, think about F1 racing in politically controversial and authoritian countries ?

Don't care. This is an international sporting series, looking for the best tracks, cars and drivers in the world. If Iran or North Korea put up a world class team or build a world class track, more power to them.

Let's not mix sports with politics.



Veni Vidi Castratavi Illegitimos
User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10905 posts, RR: 37
Reply 19, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 1482 times:

Free practice 3

1 LC Hamilton (GBR) McLaren 11
2 J Button (GBR) McLaren 12
3 N Rosberg (GER) Mercedes 13
4 M Schumacher (GER) Mercedes 14
5 M Webber (AUS) Red Bull 14
6 S Perez (MEX) Sauber 16
7 P Maldonado (VEN) Williams 15
8 S Vettel (GER) Red Bull 13
9 KM Räikkönen (FIN) Lotus 15
10 K Kobayashi (JPN) Sauber 15
11 JE Vergne (FRA) Toro Rosso 13
12 F Alonso (ESP) Ferrari 9
13 D Ricciardo (AUS) Toro Rosso 12
14 B Senna (BRA) Williams 9
15 R Grosjean (FRA) Lotus 14
16 P di Resta (GBR) Force India 12
17 N Hülkenberg (GER) Force India 12
18 F Massa (BRA) Ferrari 11
19 H Kovalainen (FIN) Caterham 16
20 V Petrov (RUS) Caterham 14
21 T Glock (GER) Marussia 14
22 C Pic (FRA) Marussia 13
23 PM de la Rosa (ESP) HRT 13
24 KRN Karthikeyan (IND) HRT 9

  

Qualifying 1

1 Perez MEX Sauber 8 in pits
2 Alonso ESP Ferrari 8 in pits
3 Grosjean FRA Lotus 8 in pits
4 Maldonado VEN Williams 8 in pits
5 Massa BRA Ferrari 8 in pits
6 di Resta GBR Force India 8 in pits
7 Senna BRA Williams 8 in pits
8 Webber AUS Red Bull 3 in pits
9 Button GBR McLaren 7 in pits
10 Hamilton GBR McLaren 5 in pits
11 Schumacher GER Mercedes 5 in pits
12 Räikkönen FIN Lotus 7 in pits
13 Kobayashi JPN Sauber 4 in pits
14 Rosberg GER Mercedes 5 in pits
15 Vettel GER Red Bull 3 in pits
16 Hülkenberg GER Force India 8 in pits
17 Ricciardo AUS Toro Rosso 8 in pits

18 Vergne FRA Toro Rosso 8 in pits
19 Kovalainen FIN Caterham 9 in pits
20 Petrov RUS Caterham 7 in pits
21 Glock GER Marussia 10 in pits
22 Pic FRA Marussia 10 in pits
23 de la Rosa ESP HRT 7 in pits
24 Karthikeyan IND HRT 10 in pits

 airplane 

[Edited 2012-04-13 23:26:06]


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User currently offlinesudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1478 times:

Quoting emrecan (Reply 1):
Great result from Schumi!!!!
Quoting ltbewr (Reply 2):
Schumi looking good

And again you folks seem to not see that free practise is just that, practise So stop thinking that this is an indication of how Sunday will look like cause it's so far from the truth you can come.

Quoting moo (Reply 5):
I used to really look forward to a Hamilton drive, but these days I find myself watching Button or Vettel instead, and waiting for Hamilton to do something stupid or uncouth.

Yeah, you sure picked a good replacement when watching Vettel instead cause he's such a mature man! (Yes, sarcasm applies in case you didn't get it)



When in doubt, flat out!
User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10905 posts, RR: 37
Reply 21, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1477 times:

Qualifying 2

1 Webber AUS Red Bull 11 in pits
2 Rosberg GER Mercedes 8 in pits
3 Schumacher GER Mercedes 8 in pits
4 Perez MEX Sauber 14 in pits
5 Kobayashi JPN Sauber 10 in pits
6 Hamilton GBR McLaren 9 in pits
7 Grosjean FRA Lotus 13 in pits
8 Räikkönen FIN Lotus 10 in pits
9 Button GBR McLaren 13 in pits
10 Alonso ESP Ferrari 14 in pits

11 Vettel GER Red Bull 11 in pits
12 Massa BRA Ferrari 14 in pits
13 Maldonado VEN Williams 14 in pits
14 Senna BRA Williams 14 in pits
15 di Resta GBR Force India 14 in pits
16 Hülkenberg GER Force India 14 in pits
17 Ricciardo AUS Toro Rosso 14 in pits
18 Vergne FRA Toro Rosso 8 in pits
19 Kovalainen FIN Caterham 9 in pits
20 Petrov RUS Caterham 7 in pits
21 Glock GER Marussia 10 in pits
22 Pic FRA Marussia 10 in pits
23 de la Rosa ESP HRT 7 in pits
24 Karthikeyan IND HRT 10 in pit

  

Good on the Saubers!


THE GRID

Nico takes pole - Schumi will be starting right along as Hammy has the 5 places penalty

1 Germany N Rosberg Mercedes
2 Great Britain L Hamilton McLaren
3 Germany M Schumacher Mercedes
4 Japan K Kobayashi Sauber
5 Finland K Raikkonen Lotus
6 Great Britain J Button McLaren
7 Australia M Webber Red Bull
8 Mexico S Perez Sauber
9 Spain F Alonso Ferrari
10 Switzerland R Grosjean Lotus
11 Germany S Vettel Red Bull
12 Brazil F Massa Ferrari
13 Venezuela P Maldonado Williams
14 Brazil B Senna Williams
15 Great Britain P Di Resta Force India
16 Germany N Hulkenberg Force India
17 Australia D Ricciardo Toro Rosso
18 France J Vergne Toro Rosso
19 Finland H Kovalainen Caterham
20 Russian Federation V Petrov Caterham
21 Germany T Glock Marussia
22 France C Pic Marussia
23 Spain P de la Rosa HRT
24 India N Karthikeyan HRT

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Congrats to Kamui!!! Fantastic surprise!!! The Saubers are good!!!!!!

 cheerful 

[Edited 2012-04-14 00:07:21]


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User currently offlineLarshjort From Denmark, joined Dec 2007, 1486 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1469 times:

Congratulations to Rosberg and Mercedes. First time on P1.

/Lars



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User currently offlinestealthz From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5714 posts, RR: 44
Reply 23, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1422 times:
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Interesting reaction from SV when informed he did not make Q3

Somewhat condescending reaction from MS when advised of Nico's laptime... might have appeared less condescending if he got approx .5 sec closer to matching it!!

Most promising thing I saw on the Aus Qualy show was an appearance by LH with his dad, I think Lewis' performance has fallen off(and I doubt I am the only one) since he fell out with his father and anything like a closer relationship can only be a good thing.

Congrats to Merc on their front row.. haven't seen that in a while, (I am one of the older contributors here and the last one was before I was born!!)



If your camera sends text messages, that could explain why your photos are rubbish!
User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8458 posts, RR: 8
Reply 24, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 1342 times:

Vettel stuffed it up at the start. He'll probably go park it in a few laps because he'll realise he's out of his depth having to actually race people.

User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8458 posts, RR: 8
Reply 25, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 1359 times:

Very exciting race. Loads of wheel to wheel racing and amazing no one crashed into anyone else. Great drive by Rosberg and it was about time he won a race.

User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17079 posts, RR: 10
Reply 26, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1342 times:

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 25):
Very exciting race. Loads of wheel to wheel racing and amazing no one crashed into anyone else

True, the race was fantastic!

A great job by Rosberg. He deserves this victory.



Work Hard, Fly Right
User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10905 posts, RR: 37
Reply 27, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1356 times:

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 25):
Very exciting race.

Yes certainly. So much good action! Not a boring moment!

Congrats to Nico for his first GP win from pole.
3 cars with Mercedes engines making the 3 first places!

Norbert Haug sounded very emotional when they interviewed him after the race.
Ross Brawn is really happy. These hard working humble men deserve the win for all the good work they have done.

Too bad for Schumi with the pit stop mistake. I hope the mechanic at fault will be fired. What they have done is unforgivable. He ruined Schumi's race. Could have been a Mercedes One-Two on the podium who knows?

3 Monaco residents on the podium today.
Keke must be really proud of his son's deserved victory.

The Saubers did good. Kamui ended the race in the points.
Kimi lost it. I really enjoyed looking how the Saubers passed him.
A very risky move from Kamui but he did it. He loves taking risk and this is what F1 is about.

Congrats to the winner. I had no idea if he would hold his fuel and tyres and stay ahead until the checkered flag but he did it and that's quite remarkable. The spirit of Schumi was with him. He venged the Master!

           

I am looking forward to Bahrain next week.



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User currently offlineQFA380 From Australia, joined Jul 2005, 2081 posts, RR: 1
Reply 28, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1341 times:

That was a pretty incredible race, was a little worried for Button with that pit stop at the end but it didn't really change much. I was certainly glad when Webber got Vettel on the second last lap, would have been nice if he was up on the podium but a 4th is still good, seems his tyre strategy may have backfired a little.

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 27):
I hope the mechanic at fault will be fired.

I hope he isn't and it seems Schumey doesn't either, they all make mistakes. At least wait and see what actually happened. I'm still a little confused whether the gun failed or whether the jack man released the car too early.


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10905 posts, RR: 37
Reply 29, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1340 times:

Quoting QFA380 (Reply 28):
At least wait and see what actually happened.

This is true. I was just so upset about this.

 



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User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8458 posts, RR: 8
Reply 30, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1334 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 27):
Too bad for Schumi with the pit stop mistake. I hope the mechanic at fault will be fired. What they have done is unforgivable. He ruined Schumi's race. Could have been a Mercedes One-Two on the podium who knows?

That's a bit over the top. Perhaps if Stalin was in charge you'd get your wish and then some.

Quoting QFA380 (Reply 28):
I hope he isn't and it seems Schumey doesn't either, they all make mistakes. At least wait and see what actually happened. I'm still a little confused whether the gun failed or whether the jack man released the car too early.

I think you're right. It was either a fault in the gun, or a miscommunication resulting in the car being release early. We saw a similar issue with Button, and clearly McLaren have a process in place to pick it up.


User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17079 posts, RR: 10
Reply 31, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1323 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 27):
Could have been a Mercedes One-Two on the podium who knows?

I doubt it as it seemed that he struggled to keep the same pace as the other guys after a few laps.

Quoting QFA380 (Reply 28):
a little worried for Button with that pit stop at the end but it didn't really change much

He lost out on the chance to try catch up on Rosberg.

Quoting QFA380 (Reply 28):
I was certainly glad when Webber got Vettel on the second last lap, would have been nice if he was up on the podium but a 4th is still good, seems his tyre strategy may have backfired a little.

I have to agree with you there. Webber is also ahead of Vettel in the WDC, which goes on to show that both Vettel and Webber are free to race. It is not like in Ferrari where Massa let Alonso pass him.



Work Hard, Fly Right
User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8458 posts, RR: 8
Reply 32, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1297 times:

Quoting B747forever (Reply 31):
It is not like in Ferrari where Massa let Alonso pass him.

Alonso was massively faster than Massa. There was no need, at that point, for Massa to fight him.


User currently offlinestealthz From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5714 posts, RR: 44
Reply 33, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1293 times:
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Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 27):
I hope the mechanic at fault will be fired.

If you are going to fire every mech every time they make a mistake you should also fire every overpaid driver when they make one... you wil run out of both fairly soon(drivers sooner than mechanics.!!)

The mistake as I see it is the Pitstop controller not the mechs.. he knew there was a problem .. the release was unsafe!
(watching the race as I write this.. the Commentary just said the officials are investigating this unsafe release.. seems I agree with the officials, doesn't happen all that often!!)

When you have been in the position that mech was in** then you might understand what was happening... and how he felt after it happened.

Cheers


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User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17079 posts, RR: 10
Reply 34, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1293 times:

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 32):
Alonso was massively faster than Massa.

Yes, Alonso was faster, but why not let them handle it themselves instead of using team orders?



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User currently offlinesudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 35, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1218 times:

Quoting B747forever (Reply 34):
Yes, Alonso was faster, but why not let them handle it themselves instead of using team orders?

Because in that case Massa would just hold up Alonso, and Ferrari can simply not afford having a rerun of last years season. They need to stay in contact with the frontrunners as much as possible, and bring home as much points as possible. This is simply not something Massa is able to do.

On the other hand,
Lets follow MadameConcorde's strategy and fire Alonso for being so much faster then Massa. Shame on Alonso!

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 27):
I hope the mechanic at fault will be fired.

Yeah, That's the way to go. Lets ban the whole team for 2 races while we are at it, and also disqualify Rosberg from today's race as well.



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User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17079 posts, RR: 10
Reply 36, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1216 times:

Quoting sudden (Reply 35):
Because in that case Massa would just hold up Alonso,

If he was "massively" faster than Massa, it wouldnt have been a problem for Alonso to pass him.

Anyway, there is no point in discussing this, because as we all know, Ferrari is well known for using team orders.



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User currently offlinemoo From Falkland Islands, joined May 2007, 4016 posts, RR: 4
Reply 37, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1213 times:

Alonso: sixth place was possible without traffic.

Only sixth? Surely without other cars to worry about, higher positions should be within easy reach...?


User currently offlinesudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 38, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1189 times:

Quoting moo (Reply 37):
Surely without other cars to worry about, higher positions should be within easy reach...?

Dude, it's a GP (Grand Prix), which usually includes more then 1 car. The only reason one of the Ferrari's are fast is because of Alonso, not because it's a good car.



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User currently offlineDiamondFlyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 1565 posts, RR: 3
Reply 39, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1181 times:

Entertaining race to watch here in the states, on re-run. Very difficult for the open wheel fans today to watch the re-run and the live Grand Prix of Long Beach (Indycar) today.

-DiamondFlyer


User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2849 posts, RR: 2
Reply 40, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 1156 times:

I just finished watching the replay of the race. Congratulations to Rosberg for his first win! It was quite a comfortable win, I have to say, especially compared to the battle for second place. Those drivers really tried hard, it was pleasant to watch!

Happy for Grosjean too. He just scored his first points in F1. I hope many more will come. Those Lotuses are not too bad this year. Maybe a podium is doable.

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 32):
Alonso was massively faster than Massa

Everybody is massively faster than Massa... Since his accident in Budapest, he is not the same.



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User currently offlineNewark727 From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 1366 posts, RR: 0
Reply 41, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1137 times:

Wow, exciting race for second there at the end.

User currently offlineaerobalance From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 4683 posts, RR: 47
Reply 42, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1125 times:

Quoting scbriml (Reply 3):
The Mercedes looks good in practice, but is not delivering when it really matters. One point from two races tells you something.

What would that be?

They delivered

Don't go silent on us now...



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User currently offlinesudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 43, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1106 times:

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 40):
Everybody is massively faster than Massa... Since his accident in Budapest, he is not the same.

True that. Even though it might be sad in a way, Ferrari need to replace Massa soon as possible. If they are to have any shot at all at any title they need both drivers up there.

By the way, it was fun to see the new "train" yesterday, now called The Vetteltrain. I bet the team has flamed him for his comments earlier when things went against him cause he was neutral in the interview with Lee from BBC. Such a cry baby he is.



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User currently offlinemoo From Falkland Islands, joined May 2007, 4016 posts, RR: 4
Reply 44, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1096 times:

Quoting sudden (Reply 38):

Whoosh.

Without traffic, even a HRT could make higher than sixth.... I think Alonso is too quick to blame traffic for his woes.


User currently offlinesudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 45, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1080 times:

Quoting moo (Reply 44):
Without traffic, even a HRT could make higher than sixth.... I think Alonso is too quick to blame traffic for his woes.

Did you actually notice how many cars were fighting for second place, and also amount of cars being lapped?



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User currently offlinemoo From Falkland Islands, joined May 2007, 4016 posts, RR: 4
Reply 46, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1076 times:

Quoting sudden (Reply 45):

Again, whoosh.

You must be striving really hard to not see the humour...


User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8458 posts, RR: 8
Reply 47, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1061 times:

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 40):
Everybody is massively faster than Massa... Since his accident in Budapest, he is not the same.

True, which is why I don't expect him to be in a Ferrari next season.

Quoting moo (Reply 46):
You must be striving really hard to not see the humour...

He's stuck on the Vettel train.


User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6724 posts, RR: 12
Reply 48, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1059 times:

How many times did Button mechanics screw him up over the years ?

But well, at least he's second, and the winner isn't Vettel.

I really didn't thought the Mercedes could race that good suddenly, I wonder what they did. The McLaren was still better, but not by a long shot. I think MSC had better quitting because with his settings he could have ended up pretty far from Rosberg, and that wouldn't have looked good.



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User currently offlinesudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 49, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1057 times:

Quoting moo (Reply 46):
You must be striving really hard to not see the humour...

In that case you need to actually try to be funny, to start with



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User currently offlinemoo From Falkland Islands, joined May 2007, 4016 posts, RR: 4
Reply 50, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1057 times:

Why all the hate for the mechanics? You haven't idea what the problems were that cost Schumacher the race or Button time - by several accounts the automated lights on the Merc pit box were green when a gun hadn't touched the wheel, and that's not supposed to happen. Can you blame the gun handler for a jamming or unusable gun? What about a misthreaded nut? A tyre that won't seat properly?

Stuff happens on the field, and it happens off the field - that's life. It's not as if the mechanics decided to have a tea break in the middle of the stop, they were doing their best just as Button was. Button made mistakes in the race, he's not infallible either.


User currently offlinemoo From Falkland Islands, joined May 2007, 4016 posts, RR: 4
Reply 51, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1057 times:

Quoting sudden (Reply 49):

Whatever.  


User currently offlinemoo From Falkland Islands, joined May 2007, 4016 posts, RR: 4
Reply 52, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1052 times:

The simple fact is that there are always other cars on the track, and passing them is your job as a driver - whether they are positions or back markers.

Everyone in front of him in the race rankings had traffic as well, and yet we saw a load of movement in the last few laps - any excuses which hinge on "traffic" are just pathetic IMHO. If you can't get past the cars, then admit it and work on it. It's racing, not a gentle country drive.


User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6724 posts, RR: 12
Reply 53, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1032 times:

Quoting moo (Reply 50):
by several accounts the automated lights on the Merc pit box were green when a gun hadn't touched the wheel, and that's not supposed to happen

Aren't the lights managed by a mechanic ?

Frankly, the number of those incidents is high enough that there should be an agreed upon way to stop the car if a wheel isn't fixed, it's really a stupid way to end a race.



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User currently offlinemoo From Falkland Islands, joined May 2007, 4016 posts, RR: 4
Reply 54, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1032 times:

Quoting Aesma (Reply 53):
Aren't the lights managed by a mechanic ?

The BBC commentators were saying that in the Mercs case the lights are controlled by contact between the guns and the car - when the guns come off the wheels for the second time, thats the wheel change complete, get four of those and thats the pitstop complete. Jack man drops the car, and the driver drives off.

Quoting Aesma (Reply 53):
Frankly, the number of those incidents is high enough that there should be an agreed upon way to stop the car if a wheel isn't fixed, it's really a stupid way to end a race.

Every cars equipped with a radio   Stop the car before it leaves the pitlane and you can wheel the car back and fix it, or fix it in place (as the case with the trailing Ferrari fuel hose a few seasons back in Singapore).


User currently offlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12633 posts, RR: 46
Reply 55, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1028 times:
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Quoting aerobalance (Reply 42):
They delivered

In the hands of Rosberg, yes they did, but Schumacher looked like a mobile road-block. Hamilton's grid drop and Button's botched last pit-sop helped somewhat as did the cold weather, but well done to Rosberg.

Quoting aerobalance (Reply 42):
Don't go silent on us now...

Well, plently (nearly all!) of the experts predicted the same as me. So yes, red faces all round. Let's see how they go in Bahrain (if they actually race there).



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10905 posts, RR: 37
Reply 56, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 995 times:

A very happy birthday to Sir Frank Williams

  



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User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2849 posts, RR: 2
Reply 57, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 993 times:

Quoting sudden (Reply 43):
If they are to have any shot at all at any title they need both drivers up there.

True.

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 47):
which is why I don't expect him to be in a Ferrari next season.

It might come sooner than next year. If Massa keeps racing anonymously like that, I bet he will be replaced before half of the season. Ferrari cannot afford to have only one car scoring points. They need a performing driver to help Alonso in his title quest.

Quoting moo (Reply 50):

  



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User currently offlineDiamondFlyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 1565 posts, RR: 3
Reply 58, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 984 times:

Quoting scbriml (Reply 55):
but Schumacher looked like a mobile road-block.

Why shouldn't he be? If that meant the team would take points for 1st and 2nd, I see no reason to do nothing more than keep everyone behind himself and ensure 2nd.

-DiamondFlyer


User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17079 posts, RR: 10
Reply 59, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 963 times:

Quoting DiamondFlyer (Reply 58):
Why shouldn't he be? If that meant the team would take points for 1st and 2nd, I see no reason to do nothing more than keep everyone behind himself and ensure 2nd.

You really believe he would have managed 2nd? As he pitted, the others would be able to go after Rosberg, and then pass Schumi after their pit stops.



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User currently offlinezckls04 From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 1415 posts, RR: 4
Reply 60, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 964 times:

Quoting DiamondFlyer (Reply 58):
Why shouldn't he be? If that meant the team would take points for 1st and 2nd, I see no reason to do nothing more than keep everyone behind himself and ensure 2nd.

That's never a great strategy as it leaves you vulnerable to an undercut.



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User currently offlineDiamondFlyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 1565 posts, RR: 3
Reply 61, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 951 times:

Quoting B747forever (Reply 59):
You really believe he would have managed 2nd? As he pitted, the others would be able to go after Rosberg, and then pass Schumi after their pit stops.

He may have, he may not have. Who knows, that's beside the point now. I feel he may have been trying to save the tires some, but who knows. Perhaps we will see at the next race. One thing I know, is he is getting some horrible luck of late.

-DiamondFlyer


User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17079 posts, RR: 10
Reply 62, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 947 times:

Quoting DiamondFlyer (Reply 61):
I feel he may have been trying to save the tires some, but who knows

Can you then explain to me why he was among the first to pit (if not the first one)? It wasnt like he stayed out there trying to save on the tires while everyone else pitted for a new set.

And we all saw what happened to Kimi, when trying to use the tires as long as possible. From 2nd to 12th in 2 laps.



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User currently offlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12633 posts, RR: 46
Reply 63, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 944 times:
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Quoting DiamondFlyer (Reply 58):
Why shouldn't he be?

No reason he shouldn't be. But, I don't believe for one second that he'd ever see himself in that role. I have no doubt he was driving as fast as he could. His qualifying relative to Rosberg and his reaction to being told Rosberg's time was telling.

Quoting zckls04 (Reply 60):
That's never a great strategy as it leaves you vulnerable to an undercut.

As well as being very vulnerable to less than perfect pitstop.



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User currently offlineswissy From Switzerland, joined Jan 2005, 1734 posts, RR: 4
Reply 64, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 942 times:

Quoting scbriml (Reply 55):
In the hands of Rosberg, yes they did, but Schumacher looked like a mobile road-block.

So by your definition...if you cant pass the car in front of you, the car in front of you is a road block??? MS came out of the pits in front of the guys expect NR... Tanks still full and he was not dropping off like crazy... would he had enough for Nico? I do not think so, would he had enough to hang on second? sure  

Fantastic close racing for the most part and I guess some of these"Divas" cars just sucked to much to pass the guy in front of them   ...

Best race in a long long time  

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User currently offlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12633 posts, RR: 46
Reply 65, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 927 times:
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Quoting DiamondFlyer (Reply 58):
I see no reason to do nothing more than keep everyone behind himself and ensure 2nd.

But he failed that miserably (even without his wheel issue) when he came out 6th after his stop, behind Button and Hamilton who had both already pitted.

Quoting B747forever (Reply 62):
Can you then explain to me why he was among the first to pit (if not the first one)?

He pitted on lap 13 after quite a few others had already stopped.

Quoting swissy (Reply 64):
So by your definition...if you cant pass the car in front of you, the car in front of you is a road block???

When you get a train of cars behind, yes.

Quoting swissy (Reply 64):
MS came out of the pits in front of the guys expect NR...

Sorry, you have that wrong. When he emerged from the pit lane he had Rosberg, Perez, Massa (none of whom had stopped), Button and Hamilton (both of whom had stopped) in front of him. Hamilton passed him into turn one.



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User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17079 posts, RR: 10
Reply 66, posted (2 years 6 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 851 times:

Quoting scbriml (Reply 65):
He pitted on lap 13 after quite a few others had already stopped.

Oh yeah, I forget that. As you wrote, he came out after Button and Hamilton.



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