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Cruel Landlord Won't De-haunt Rental House  
User currently offlineAirstud From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2659 posts, RR: 3
Posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1989 times:

A couple in New Jersey is suing their landlord because the house they're renting is haunted.

It sounds like the stock haunted-house stuff; doors opening and closing on their own, voices, and also clothes flying around in the middle of the night (I have not heard of that one yet in the stock haunted house annals).

Let us, for discussion's sake, accept the premise that the house is truly downtown Spooksburg. Exactly what is the charge against the landlord? Within the scope of real estate law, what actions was he reasonably expected to take vis-à-vis the spookitude?


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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15735 posts, RR: 27
Reply 1, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1977 times:

Seems to me that a certain segment of the population would pay a premium to live in a haunted house.


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User currently offlineCadet985 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 1551 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1963 times:

They should get a paranormal investigation done on the property. Most paranormal groups that do investigations don't charge, and initially approach things from a scientific point of view, and don't start looking for ghosts until anything environmental or psychological can be ruled out.

I don't think haunting is covered in rental laws, but let's just say that the last occupants left for the same reason. Then I think the landlord should have told this couple of that before they signed, even if he isn't a believer.

Marc


User currently offlineplaneguy727 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1247 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1946 times:

I, for one, would love to own and live in a "haunted" house. However, finding one with a realtor is about impossible. No one will admit to having a property that's haunted.

As for the renters, my guess is that the landlord won't let them out of the lease. Based on what I know of rental agreements, etc., haunting does not have to be disclosed (can't be proven I suppose).

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User currently offlineCadet985 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 1551 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1903 times:

I mean it also to me would depend on the level of paranormal activity. For example, in the house my dad, grandfather, and I share, my grandfather and I both believe there are spirits. Stuff goes missing, then shows up again somewhere else, we have a feeling of being watched, etc., but we don't hear voices, doors don't open, etc. I don't know if I would mention it to a buyer...I mean I consider myself a paranormal sensitive...and a lot of people would call me nuts.

Marc


User currently offlinezippyjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 5478 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1894 times:

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User currently offlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6187 posts, RR: 30
Reply 6, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1855 times:
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Quoting planeguy727 (Reply 3):
I, for one, would love to own and live in a "haunted" house.

No, you wouldn´t really. I myself do not believe in this stuff, but have spent time in one of our famiy´s properties that dates back to 1821 and strange stuff happens. Stuff that I´ve witnessed. Maybe there is a rational explantion for it and I am sure there is, however, I have decided to never spend the night there. If anything, because it is too much stressful.



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19580 posts, RR: 58
Reply 7, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1853 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 1):
Seems to me that a certain segment of the population would pay a premium to live in a haunted house.

My friend swears her house is haunted, but they just act as if the ghost is a wayward member of the family, almost like a pet. The ghost just does things like slamming doors and moving things around and occasionally showing up as an "orb" in photos (all phenomena that can have very rational explanations), and so she just takes it in stride that she has a ghost.

Quoth she: "At least I don't have a really bad ghost."


User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15735 posts, RR: 27
Reply 8, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1841 times:

Quoting Cadet985 (Reply 4):
I don't know if I would mention it to a buyer

If the potential buyer has a tattoos + piercings count of greater than 20, you're probably okay.



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User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11645 posts, RR: 60
Reply 9, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1701 times:

Quoting AR385 (Reply 6):
No, you wouldn´t really. I myself do not believe in this stuff, but have spent time in one of our famiy´s properties that dates back to 1821 and strange stuff happens.

  

Agreed. When a door slams open or shut it's a pain in the ass not knowing if there's really somebody there or not. We must have extreme drafts or something.


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User currently offlineusflyer msp From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2124 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1696 times:

That landlord needs to find some hardcore Pentecostal Christians to rent to. My holy-roller employee's church bought and renovated a old synagogue and they put on quite the show exorcising and casting the jew-spirits out of that building. If some of them moved into that house, the ghosts would be fleeing out of fear in no time...

User currently offlinealoges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8705 posts, RR: 43
Reply 11, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1688 times:

Weird. I thought you would de-haunt your property regularly, as a landlord... just like you regularly de-sproudle your twallops and de-qualt your smongs.


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User currently offlineTSS From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 3068 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1672 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 7):
My friend swears her house is haunted, but they just act as if the ghost is a wayward member of the family, almost like a pet. The ghost just does things like slamming doors and moving things around and occasionally showing up as an "orb" in photos (all phenomena that can have very rational explanations), and so she just takes it in stride that she has a ghost.

Quoth she: "At least I don't have a really bad ghost."

Which is exactly how I've dealt with "unexplained phenomena" of a possibly supernatural nature in various places I've lived including disembodied footsteps in an upstairs bedroom (which scared the bejeebers out of me, three roommates, and several guests when they were first heard, but after a while attracted no more attention than the cycling of the refrigerator in the kitchen) and objects disappearing for days or weeks only reappear exactly where they were supposed to be as if they had never been moved.

Quoting usflyer msp (Reply 10):
That landlord needs to find some hardcore Pentecostal Christians to rent to. My holy-roller employee's church bought and renovated a old synagogue and they put on quite the show exorcising and casting the jew-spirits out of that building. If some of them moved into that house, the ghosts would be fleeing out of fear in no time...

First off, I have serious doubts that a Pentecostal exorcism would have any effect on Jewish spirits, or vice-versa for that matter. Secondly, if you attempt a forcible ejection of spirits via exorcism you run the risk of seriously pi$$ing off said spirits and making them go from mildly mischievous to openly malevolent. In my opinion, it's better by far to make peace with whatever entities or unexplained phenomena your home or building exhibits and live in reasonable harmony with them going forward.



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User currently offlineplaneguy727 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1247 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1671 times:

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 9):

Based on the building I live in now, I'm the only one that doesn't slam every door. As a result, I doubt I would notice the difference. Plus I'm ok with clothes flying about, etc.

I respect the spirit's right to be there as much as I am. Or, perhaps, I just watch too much Being Human.



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User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7184 posts, RR: 13
Reply 14, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1618 times:

A court should throw their asses to the kerb. Regardless of belief it is something you will not find in any tenancy agreement and that is the crux of it - No landlord should be responsible for something they have no way of measuring or controlling. Any amount of hocus pocus exorcism BS will not change anything at all. If they want a 'spirit free' house they should buy their own and then do whatever they want in it.

User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19580 posts, RR: 58
Reply 15, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1593 times:

I live in a house that is approaching 100 years old (build 1917). The house does all sorts of stuff. Creaks, footsteps that could be from our house or could be from next door. Doors slam. It's drafty as hell. Sometimes, in dark rooms, the dogs will suddenly bark at corners.

I could blame it all on ghosts or I could just assume that there are rational explanations for all of these things. The footsteps are probably from the house next door (which is a "stand alone" building, but our walls are in contact), it's drafty, so doors slam all the time. And the dogs are sometimes just being stupid and barking at shadows or imagined movement out of the corners of their eyes.

Or I could blame a ghost.


User currently offlineallrite From Australia, joined Aug 2007, 2057 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1572 times:

New Jersey isn't that far from New York. So I think we know who they're gonna call!

Pity that number 3 hasn't progressed very far. I'm sure they could do with some extra publicity.



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User currently offlinen229nw From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 1946 posts, RR: 32
Reply 17, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1558 times:

Quoting Cadet985 (Reply 2):
They should get a paranormal investigation done on the property. Most paranormal groups that do investigations don't charge, and initially approach things from a scientific point of view, and don't start looking for ghosts until anything environmental or psychological can be ruled out.

  

Yes, "from a scientific point of view," like the people who "scientifically prove" that the dinosaurs existed at the same time as early humans--by which I mean people who have no clue...

Since no one has ever been able to show any paranormal activity ever under real controlled conditions even with a 1 million dollar reward, it would be a hard case to prove. Seriously, can one sue one's landlord because hobbits live under the floorboards? What about the noisy unicorn in the closet? Actually, Zeus cursed the house and now Athena is running around naked in the garden causing the geraniums to be crushed.

If this case isn't thrown out on principle, there is no hope for society...



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User currently offlinestasisLAX From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3280 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1552 times:

A landlord in Tucson has a haunted house and wonders what if the tenants want an "escape" clause in the lease?

Source: http://tucsoncitizen.com/view-from-b...ve-a-bad-encouter-with-the-ghosts/



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User currently offlineCadet985 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 1551 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1550 times:

Quoting n229nw (Reply 17):

Just because you don't believe in the paranormal is no excuse for you to mock those of us who do.


User currently offlinehomsaR From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1176 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1529 times:

Quoting AR385 (Reply 6):

No, you wouldn´t really. I myself do not believe in this stuff, but have spent time in one of our famiy´s properties that dates back to 1821 and strange stuff happens. Stuff that I´ve witnessed. Maybe there is a rational explantion for it and I am sure there is, however, I have decided to never spend the night there. If anything, because it is too much stressful.

I don't get it. You "do not believe in this stuff" but you refuse to spend a night in a house where things happen for which you are sure there is a rational explanation?

That's kinda like someone saying they're not afraid of the number 13 but then refusing to sleep in a hotel room on the 13th floor of a building (which is hard enough in itself to find).

Now, I've never personally seen a ghost, nor do I know of any encounters with ghosts (though one time when I was 11, I was sitting in the living room of my dad's house reading or watching TV or something, and the window shade just wound itself all the way up without provocation...scared the ever-living snot out of me and I ran out of that room like a bat out of hell; come to think of it, maybe it was the ghost of a bat out of hell that hit the shade and caused it to roll up; do bats have spirits strong enough to do that? Can bats even go to hell? What would a bat have to do to...where was I? Oh, right...). However, I'm told my younger (half-)brother can see spirits. I've never talked to him about it, but I have heard a couple of stories, such as one where he was at our grandmother's house when he and his mother both saw a ghost. Later on, they told my grandmother about it and she pulled out an old family album, and he was able to identify the person they had seen.

As for me, I'd be happy enough if I could just see auras. Not that easy to do, apparently.

[Edited 2012-04-15 19:51:14]


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User currently offlinen229nw From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 1946 posts, RR: 32
Reply 21, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1519 times:

Quoting Cadet985 (Reply 19):
Just because you don't believe in the paranormal is no excuse for you to mock those of us who do.

People can believe anything they want, but they should not claim their beliefs are "scientific." I believe in complete freedom of religion, but I don't want Genesis to be taught in a "science" class. See the difference?

Quite honestly, a case such as this does raise some serious legal questions. The tenants can believe in the haunting, but where do their personal beliefs turn into a "reality" they can legally impose on others, such as the landlord?

What would honestly happen if someone tried to sue a landlord because of a noisy unicorn in the closet, and got some group to "scientifically" back up his claims? How would such as case work in court? Presumably, the case in court would actually come down to getting an actually controlled scientific experiment to do a second investigation and try to show there was no unicorn. Then the expenses would be charged back to the plaintiff. I assume the same thing would have to happen in this case.



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User currently offlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6187 posts, RR: 30
Reply 22, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1470 times:
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Quoting homsaR (Reply 20):
I don't get it. You "do not believe in this stuff" but you refuse to spend a night in a house where things happen for which you are sure there is a rational explanation?

Context much?

I wrote:

Quoting AR385 (Reply 6):
If anything, because it is too much stressful.

Emphasis on "Stressful"

Along the lines of:

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 9):
Agreed. When a door slams open or shut it's a pain in the ass not knowing if there's really somebody there or not.



MGGS
User currently offlineTSS From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 3068 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1448 times:

Quoting AR385 (Reply 22):
Quoting homsaR (Reply 20):
I don't get it. You "do not believe in this stuff" but you refuse to spend a night in a house where things happen for which you are sure there is a rational explanation?

Context much?

I wrote:

Quoting AR385 (Reply 6):
If anything, because it is too much stressful.

Emphasis on "Stressful"

Along the lines of:

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 9):
Agreed. When a door slams open or shut it's a pain in the ass not knowing if there's really somebody there or not.

I understand exactly where AR385 is coming from. Going back to the disembodied footsteps that I and others heard, this occurred at a house that was in a not-very-good neighborhood and there was a reasonable chance that they could have been phenomena of the breaking-and-entering/home invasion variety being committed by an entity that was still very much alive and possibly dangerous. The first couple of times I heard them it was late at night and I was alone in the house, so I went to investigate the noises with a big stick held in strike position... just in case.



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User currently offlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6187 posts, RR: 30
Reply 24, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1443 times:
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Quoting TSS (Reply 23):
I understand exactly where AR385 is coming from.

Thank you. You explained things a lot better than I did.



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25 moo : So a "cruel" landlord won't take any action over something he doesn't believe in, and something that doesn't have any scientific backing despite years
26 homsaR : So, is it the potential rational explanation that's stressful, or the inability, despite your intense search, to actually find one?
27 AR385 : Sorry. I have not done any research, beyond some reading material. I´d rather leave it to: It is not my field of expertise, nor would I consider it
28 Post contains images PlymSpotter : I thought it was pretty obvious, it's neither of those suggestions. If I'm the only one in a house and a door opens/slams etc... then I don't give a
29 Dano1977 : I'm a believer in the paranormal, but alarm bells started ringing when it mentions rented property. Perhaps that is the cynic in me. I don't know how
30 Post contains links and images DocLightning : A ghost walks into a bar and orders a drink. The bartender says: "Sorry, we don't serve spirits here." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfZItov1BUo&
31 Post contains images HAWK21M : Exactly what I was thinking...Maybe there is a reason for this
32 ltbewr : I wonder if the person involved are users of alcohol, drugs or have underlying mental health problems. Then again it couild be a scam to get a few mon
33 babybus : Funny how many people believe in ghosts but would say they don't believe in God. Surely they are from the same dimension. If it is so obvious there is
34 jet-lagged : Haunted house, paranormal activity . . . a bunch of hooey. With all the attention and investigation it has received, if it were real then that would h
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