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Anders Behring Breivik Trial Starts Today  
User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7846 posts, RR: 5
Posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2284 times:

The trial of ABB starts today, for those who don't remember ABB is accused of murdering 77 people last July.

Quote:
Nine months after he inflicted the greatest national trauma on Norway since World War II, the trial of 33-year-old Anders Behring Breivik was getting underway in the Oslo City Court Monday morning. Breivik was driven in a convoy from his cells at Ila Prison outside the city to the courthouse, where he faces formal charges of committing terrorist attacks, 77 murders, 42 attempted murders and causing massive structural damage after bombing Norway’s government headquarters.

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User currently offlineCPH-R From Denmark, joined May 2001, 6057 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2254 times:

.. and we're off to a flyer, with Breivik refusing to recognize the court, seeing as its legal mandate comes from "multi-cultural parties"  

[Edited 2012-04-16 01:35:50]

User currently offlineCXfirst From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 3090 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2249 times:

I'm watching it here from Australia, and it's just angering me. No sign of remorse, etc. Almost seems like he is enjoying himself.  

-CXfirst



From Norway, live in Australia
User currently offlinebjorn14 From Norway, joined Feb 2010, 3695 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2203 times:

I don't even see why Norway is having a trial. He admitted he did it (albeit not guilty). Most countries would just have a sentencing hearing and throw him in the slammer.


"I want to know the voice of God the rest is just details" --A. Einstein
User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7846 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2201 times:

His crying during the playing of his video blog was a bit much to take. The police should have ended it with a bullet on Utoya.

User currently offlinetravelavnut From Netherlands, joined May 2010, 1670 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2200 times:

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 3):
I don't even see why Norway is having a trial. He admitted he did it (albeit not guilty). Most countries would just have a sentencing hearing and throw him in the slammer.

Because, luckily, Norway is a civilized country...



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User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7846 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2197 times:

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 3):
Most countries would just have a sentencing hearing and throw him in the slammer.

That's an exaggeration, most civilised countries would have a trial, even the rest would have had a show trial. My beef is with the police, they could have made up for their incompetence by shooting him instead of arresting him.


User currently offlineAF1624 From France, joined Jul 2006, 665 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2171 times:

I just read that the maximum sentence he can get is a renewable 21 years.

21 years ? Seriously ? For 77 lives ?



Cheers
User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8965 posts, RR: 24
Reply 8, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2160 times:

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 6):
My beef is with the police, they could have made up for their incompetence by shooting him instead of arresting him.

But then you'd have the bleeding hearts of the world berating the police for having executed a man without trial, his rights were violated, yada yada yada...

But I'm glad you recognize that there are some people in the world that we could do better without. Can we count on your support for the death penalty then?



Veni Vidi Castratavi Illegitimos
User currently offlineWestJet747 From Canada, joined Aug 2011, 1939 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2142 times:

I'm not a proponent of the death penalty. But once in a while a case like this comes around where exceptions should be made. When there is this much carnage committed by one man/woman, and it is without a sliver of doubt that he/she was the perpetrator, then there is no reason my tax dollars should pay for them to be incarcerated for the remainder of their life.



Quoting CPH-R (Reply 1):
.. and we're off to a flyer, with Breivik refusing to recognize the court, seeing as its legal mandate comes from "multi-cultural parties"

He made this clear after he was arrested when he was remanded. I'm not surprised he is repeating this sentiment.

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 3):
Most countries would just have a sentencing hearing and throw him in the slammer.

I'm not aware of any first-world country that does that. No matter how sickening the crime, I believe everyone has the right to a trial. In this case, it will just be a slam-dunk for the prosecution. I just hope the defense doesn't stretch this out longer than it needs to be.



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User currently offlineCXfirst From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 3090 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2136 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 8):
But then you'd have the bleeding hearts of the world berating the police for having executed a man without trial, his rights were violated, yada yada yada...

I agree here, just wish he would have raised a gun towards one of the police, so that they had just cause to put a bullet in his head......

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 9):
I'm not aware of any first-world country that does that. No matter how sickening the crime, I believe everyone has the right to a trial. In this case, it will just be a slam-dunk for the prosecution. I just hope the defense doesn't stretch this out longer than it needs to be.

Well seeing as there have been two sets of psychologists to study him, with one set saying he is criminally insane, and one saying he was sane and should be tried as a sane man, it is not as clear cut as many think it is. Yes, he did it, but that is not all the trial is about.

Although something is definitely not right with him, I believe with so much planning and thinking through of his actions, he should be tried as fully accountable, as he never seemed to stray from his ideas.

-CXfirst



From Norway, live in Australia
User currently offlinestealthz From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5746 posts, RR: 44
Reply 11, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2128 times:
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Quoting travelavnut (Reply 5):
Because, luckily, Norway is a civilized country...

For the crimes he committed- 21 years, that is a joke!!
At something younger than I am now he will be a free man living a protected life with a new identity and a pension.. seems kinda wrong to me.

But this politically correct madness does escape me(read today of another "enlightened" European country that sentenced a woman that left her baby to die .. to avoid family shame! receiving a custodial sentence of 26 WEEKS)

I think Breivik should be committed to life without release.. in a mental prison(denying him the martyr/warrior status he craves)



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User currently offlinedc9northwest From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 2302 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2118 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 8):
But I'm glad you recognize that there are some people in the world that we could do better without. Can we count on your support for the death penalty then?

I do not support the death penalty. I think murderers should be left to rot in jail, not killed so they don't feel anything anymore. Better that they suffer in jail...

Quoting AF1624 (Reply 7):
I just read that the maximum sentence he can get is a renewable 21 years.

Does Norway allow cumulative sentences? For example, 21 years for each victim?


User currently offlineAF1624 From France, joined Jul 2006, 665 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2105 times:

Quoting stealthz (Reply 11):
For the crimes he committed- 21 years, that is a joke!!

Especially when you think that these 21 years will be spent in a room that looks more like a hotel room than a prison cell... individual room with fully equipped bathroom, television, glass window, drawers...

This is a photo taken at Halden prison :

halden prison


Heck, I'd like my room to look as good as this...

Quoting dc9northwest (Reply 12):
Does Norway allow cumulative sentences? For example, 21 years for each victim?

From what I've read in a French newspaper, there are no cumulative sentences, but there are renewable sentences. Meaning the court puts him in prison for 21 years, and this can be increased if deemed necessary (for bad behaviour for example). But if he behaves (which he probably will), then the maximum sentence is 21 years. It's sort of an automatic parole, if you will.



Cheers
User currently offlineCXfirst From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 3090 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2083 times:

Quoting AF1624 (Reply 13):
From what I've read in a French newspaper, there are no cumulative sentences, but there are renewable sentences. Meaning the court puts him in prison for 21 years, and this can be increased if deemed necessary (for bad behaviour for example)

There are no cumulative sentences, but if he is deemed to still be a risk at the end of his sentence (if I understand it correctly), it can be extended. Wouldn't be surprised if he still keeps his political ideals and lack of remorse at the end of his sentence and be deemed a continued threat, and hence having sentence extensions given to him. I just can't imagine someone showing so little remorse after killing 77 ever becoming a non-threat.

-CXfirst



From Norway, live in Australia
User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2483 posts, RR: 24
Reply 15, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2059 times:

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 2):

I'm watching it here from Australia, and it's just angering me. No sign of remorse, etc. Almost seems like he is enjoying himself.
Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 4):
His crying during the playing of his video blog was a bit much to take. The police should have ended it with a bullet on Utoya.

I agree. This part is the most absurd part of the trial so far.. he shows no sign of remorse when they read the names of the victims out loud, but as soon as his home made video is played, he is crying. He really is a complete nutcase.

The worst part is that he will most likely never regret his actions and it seems like he is treated extremely well in prison and even has access to a computer. And when he is released in 21 years, he will have the right to receive state funded pension I guess... I would be extremely mad if someone I knew had been killed by him and now he is even allowed to explain how he sees the world during the trial and explain why he did what he did.

And one more thing.. it seems absurd that killing 1 or killing 77 people results in the same 21 years of punishment. Apparently you get a huge discount for killing more than 1 person like it is in some crazy way accepted by society to be a mass murderer.. he should have sentences added together like it is done in the US, just to clearly highlight what a disgusting person he is and to make sure that he will never set a foot outside prison again.

[Edited 2012-04-16 09:08:52]

User currently offlinecanoecarrier From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2843 posts, RR: 12
Reply 16, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2046 times:

Quoting AF1624 (Reply 7):
I just read that the maximum sentence he can get is a renewable 21 years.

21 years ? Seriously ? For 77 lives ?

I thought Norway was considering using some sort of "domestic terrorism" charge that would allow for a maximum of 30 years?

Quoting AF1624 (Reply 13):
Especially when you think that these 21 years will be spent in a room that looks more like a hotel room than a prison cell... individual room with fully equipped bathroom, television, glass window, drawers...

I don't think the Norwegian prison system was developed with someone like Breivik in mind. In general, the prison system there focuses on rehabilitation rather than punishment. I remember right after the attacks in Oslo we had an enlightening discussion about this here.



The beatings will continue until morale improves
User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7846 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2042 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 8):
But then you'd have the bleeding hearts of the world berating the police for having executed a man without trial, his rights were violated, yada yada yada...

Police shoot people all the time, in this instance after what the arresting officers saw, I think it would have been justified, anyone who complained would have looked stupid.

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 15):

I agree. This part is the most absurd part of the trial so far.. he shows no sign of remorse when they read the names of the victims out loud, but as soon as his home made video is played, he is crying.

All the Norwegian channels blanked out the descriptions of the deaths, you had to watch CNN, Sky or BBC to get the un censored version.

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 15):
He really is a complete nutcase.

He's not nuts, the state tried to get him certified nuts, then they could have held him in an institution indefinitely, or until he showed remorse and they certified him sane, he could have been back on the streets in a couple of years, if he was nuts. He was certified sane.


User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2483 posts, RR: 24
Reply 18, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2040 times:

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 17):
He's not nuts, the state tried to get him certified nuts, then they could have held him in an institution indefinitely, or until he showed remorse and they certified him sane, he could have been back on the streets in a couple of years, if he was nuts. He was certified sane.

I know all this but you're just not completely sane if you are able to do something like this. He is probably not psychotic, no..


User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8774 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2035 times:

I hope during his trial 100s of girls describe how they will now reject pure Norwegian boys and have children exclusively with men from other countries, and make it clear that his actions directly caused the Norwegian bloodline to become more multicultural.

User currently offlineMortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 4095 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2013 times:

Quoting AF1624 (Reply 7):
I just read that the maximum sentence he can get is a renewable 21 years.

21 years ? Seriously ? For 77 lives ?

He can get 21 years + he can possibly be sentenced to containment (the Norwegian legal term is forvaring), a form of special protective custody which means he may be held in prison indefinitely and is subject to release only at the discretion of a judge after his sentence is served. Containment is roughly comparable to a life sentence in many other European countries. I am guessing that this is what he most likely will get. It basically means life in prison. He is not likely to get out.

Quoting dc9northwest (Reply 12):
Does Norway allow cumulative sentences? For example, 21 years for each victim?

No

****************************


As for capital punishment in Norway:

An opinion poll taken after the 2011 Norway attacks showed that the opposition to the death penalty remained firmly entrenched, with 16 percent supporting and 68 percent opposed

[Edited 2012-04-16 10:06:39]

User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8965 posts, RR: 24
Reply 21, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2003 times:

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 17):
Police shoot people all the time, in this instance after what the arresting officers saw, I think it would have been justified, anyone who complained would have looked stupid.

Look at all the people who whined and moaned that Osama Bin Ladin should have been captured instead of executed. I can't think of any time that a criminal killed by cops (even in the middle of a gunfight) didn't result in editorials and outrage among the bleeding heart crowd.

I'm not that much of a fan of the death penalty due to past errors. But when it comes to someone where there is no possible doubt, and where the crime shows a clear and total guilt combined with sociopathy, why keep him around?



Veni Vidi Castratavi Illegitimos
User currently offlinecanoecarrier From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2843 posts, RR: 12
Reply 22, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1988 times:

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 20):
He can get 21 years + he can possibly be sentenced to containment (the Norwegian legal term is forvaring), a form of special protective custody which means he may be held in prison indefinitely and is subject to release only at the discretion of a judge after his sentence is served. Containment is roughly comparable to a life sentence in many other European countries. I am guessing that this is what he most likely will get. It basically means life in prison. He is not likely to get out.

That sounds like what Canada and England do for a small number of convicted people. In Canadian criminal law they get designated as a "dangerous offender" that lets them keep the person in prison for an indeterminate amount of time.

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 20):

An opinion poll taken after the 2011 Norway attacks showed that the opposition to the death penalty remained firmly entrenched, with 16 percent supporting and 68 percent opposed

And, it's your country. I may or may not agree with how your citizenry decides to punish criminals, but you are rightly free to deal with criminals your own way.

Thanks for posting the update on this trial. Outside of a few updates on the progress here in the news over the past year, there hasn't been much press coverage.



The beatings will continue until morale improves
User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7846 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1968 times:

Quoting Flighty (Reply 19):
I hope during his trial 100s of girls describe how they will now reject pure Norwegian boys and have children exclusively with men from other countries, and make it clear that his actions directly caused the Norwegian bloodline to become more multicultural.

From my observations Norwegian girls won't go anywhere near the Pakistani, Somali, Arab imports we have, now Norwegian men on the other had don't appear to be very picky.


User currently offlinealoges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8771 posts, RR: 42
Reply 24, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1964 times:

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 18):
I know all this but you're just not completely sane if you are able to do something like this. He is probably not psychotic, no.

His crime and personality, or what transpires of it, remind me of certain characters constructed in books or movies: those which we refer to as "evil". They have some sort of higher aim that would strike any normal person as insane right away, but they pursue it with utter ruthlessness and astonishing (in the worst possible sense of the word) endurance. To them, human lives - no matter the number - are far less important than achieving what they have in mind, so they torture and murder without hesitation or remorse if it becomes "necessary".



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25 canoecarrier : Have you read his manifesto? It certainly seems from what he wrote that is exactly how he saw himself as long as you replace "evil" with "hero".
26 MD11Engineer : You have quite a few of those among people with radical political ideologies or religious fanatics. Anything is justified as long as it serves the fi
27 Post contains images aloges : No, I don't think it deserves the attention. In any case, I've already read more than enough hateful insane garbage on the internet and figured that
28 MD11Engineer : As are all books by Terry Pratchett. I´m a fan of his books. Jan
29 canoecarrier : I don't think it adds attention, only that it makes you more aware of what he was or wasn't thinking. Since the first mental competency exam said he
30 Post contains images bjorn14 : In the US if you plead guilty...no jury trial....straight to the sentencing hearing. I'd forgot they were still trying to determine his sanity. Nope.
31 MD11Engineer : Sometimes you have people who confess having carried out crimes, where they were never involved in. Usually these people have some mental issues. The
32 DocLightning : I'd rather he go to jail with a bunch of "multicultural" prisoners. Don't worry; he won't last long.
33 CXfirst : In Norway you can get 30 years for crimes against humanity, but I'm unsure if he will get this. I also took notice to his calls to the police from Ut
34 kiwiinoz : I haven't watched any of it yet. But it seems he's not "crazy" in the clinical sense, correct? An extremist who was quite content to be brutal and des
35 ltbewr : Is this a mandated requirement or is it optional for the accused in Norway? In the USA you are not required and indeed there are Constitutional level
36 YVRLTN : This is another thing. Will the trial look at how someone could plan such a thing, buy all the fertilizer & equipment etc without a single soul n
37 CXfirst : People would have noticed his far-right views, etc. But I don't think anybody would even begin to imagine his actions. He had set up a farming busine
38 KiwiRob : I think he was very good at hiding his point of view, most of the people who knew him didn't know anything about this. Besides being anti immigrant i
39 CPH-R : Indeed, in one of his manifests he even laid out how to purchase large quantities of fertilizer without arousing suspicion, stating how much farm land
40 MD11Engineer : He was just as crazy as a member of the SS Einsatzgruppen, who executed Jews in the German occupied territories in WW2: The Jewish conspiracy is tryi
41 StarAC17 : Look whoever thinks that is out to lunch. I don't care how liberal someone is if you are a police officer that sees a person shooting anybody you sho
42 CPH-R : Looks like he delivered a key line as far as a potential "forvaring" sentence is concerned, by stating that he'd do it all again.
43 Post contains links Mortyman : EXPLAINED: The Norwegian Legal System Where Mass Murderer Breivik Is On Trial Read more: http://www.thejournal.ie/explainer-h...rate-420142-Apr2012/#i
44 MD11Engineer : The system with the lay judges sounds very much like the German system. Jan
45 AirframeAS : That's not a prison! That's a hotel! You gotta be kidding me!!! I can't even get my room to look as good as THAT!
46 bjorn14 : No it's not mandated but it is his right. He said in his 70-minute testimony he would do it again in a heart beat.
47 dc9northwest : You can tell a lot about a country by its prisons, and how it treats its inmates... That said, some people definitely don't deserve such a prison cel
48 CXfirst : When the police arrived, he was not shooting, he had layed down his weapon and surrendered. If the police had shot him with that happening, there wou
49 prebennorholm : I think you are very right. To me it seems like the law makers in "our" part of the world look upon imprisoning of criminals only in a "single dimens
50 KiwiRob : His cell will probably look even nicer than this one, from what I understand he will be kept in isolation in a prison annex all to himself.
51 stratosphere : If you ever read the book by Frank Abingnale "Catch me if you Can" a movie staring Leonardo DeCaprio was made highlighting the book. Well in the book
52 N1120A : They can both renew the sentence and use this "containment" status to keep him in. Yeah, that's not going to happen. Meh. Bin Laden probably had guns
53 stealthz : But will they?? You underestimate the chronic stupidity of the "politically correct"
54 NAV20 : Years back, I 'did time' as a National Serviceman on the border between West and East Germany. 'They' - whether Russians or East Germans - several ti
55 KiwiRob : That was a really good book, although he was pretty full of himself. They can add blocks of 5 years to his sentance, however I doubt they will. If th
56 N1120A : Probably. The politically correct thing to do here is to hang first, ask questions later. Its hard for people to get the idea of due process for disg
57 bjorn14 : It was reported today that in 2006, Breivik took a year off to play World of Warcraft for 16 hours a day to train for his 'mission' and that he wanted
58 KiwiRob : I would, Norway let out of prison a serial killer convicted of 22 murders after 12 years of a 21 year sentence, this guy was suspected of killing 138
59 Post contains images canoecarrier : I understand you don't want to give him any more publicity than he's already getting, but there are some interesting bits from his Manifesto related
60 CXfirst : Yes, he said that his plan was to set off the bomb at 10am, and be on the island at 11am, but got delayed. He also stated that at first he wanted to
61 bjorn14 : Asked how he [Breivik] was able to talk about the atrocities in such an impassive manner, Breivik said he had learnt to rely on "technical, de-emotio
62 Post contains links KPDX : Breivik told how he shot young people who were paralyzed and could not run away in the head. http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/20/world/...breivik-trial/inde
63 Dreadnought : The more that comes out, the more I wonder how certain people take it. He is clearly not insane. His reasoning and understanding of society's laws ap
64 ltbewr : From what we are hearing so far, Breivik is just a sad and pathetic person, he definitely has some serious mental health and psychological problems. H
65 MD11Engineer : It seems that he came from a rather wealthy neighbourhood and should have had good prospects if not for dropping out of highschool as a teenager due
66 YVRLTN : Various items I have picked up from news items the last couple of days through the trial - He would not hesitate to do the same again - He is disappoi
67 CXfirst : I agree, but I'm no expert, so I'm interested in how the experts will see it. Although, I'm almost hoping that he'll be found insane. Not because I b
68 Mika : Ageed. Out of the options available through the Norwegian judiciary system this certainly seems like the one he should get. Right now he's playing me
69 Mika : Also, i am personally almost certain that one of the strongest underlying factors in all of his actions and mindset is his broken relationship with hi
70 KiwiRob : His father has been married 4 times, Anders was from his second marriage, he's been living in France since he retired from the Norwegian Foreign Serv
71 Mortyman : I beleave that back then it was up to the prisons to decide when it was time to let go of the prisoner. This has been changed and it is these days aj
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