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US Congress Decides To Change Historical Facts  
User currently offlineRadarbeam From Canada, joined Mar 2002, 1310 posts, RR: 4
Posted (12 years 1 month 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1509 times:

The US congress has adopted a motion yesterday that would make Antonio Meucci the inventor of the telephone. The congress stated that Meucci did not patent it's invention because he didn't had the money to pay the 10$ fee.

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/020621/6/n7k7.html

IMO the US congress is trying to change history just because they didn't like the idea of the telephone not being invented by an American. So almost a century later they come up with idiotic speculations (are there any facts?) that Meucci invented the telephone, and the even more idiotic excuse of not being able to pay the patent fee. I would like to know how the US would react if they learned that the Wright Brother were not the first to fly but that Richard Pearse, a Kiwi flew his aircraft 9 month before the Wrights.

http://www.nzedge.com/heroes/pearse.html

Radarbeam


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User currently offlinePacificjourney From New Zealand, joined Jul 2001, 2731 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (12 years 1 month 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1460 times:

Always amusing that Canadians claim Bell, as for Pearce being the first to fly doesn't everyone know that ?

Are there any other claimants as first to fly ?



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User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (12 years 1 month 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 1447 times:

The Wright Brothers were the first to fly. In fact a small piece from the Wright Flyer is currently resting on the surface of the moon.

You can't enter the recordbooks with statements like these:

>>There is uncertainty about whether it met the definitions of sustained flight<<

Or a nickname like this:

>>"Bamboo Dick"<<



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User currently offlinePROSA From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5630 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (12 years 1 month 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 1440 times:

IMO the US congress is trying to change history just because they didn't like the idea of the telephone not being invented by an American. So almost a century later they come up with idiotic speculations (are there any facts?) that Meucci invented the telephone, and the even more idiotic excuse of not being able to pay the patent fee.

What's funny is that the vast majority of Americans, if told about Meucci, would think he was Italian, while at the same time they think Alexander Graham Bell was an American.



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User currently offlinePacificjourney From New Zealand, joined Jul 2001, 2731 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (12 years 1 month 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 1434 times:

What would I give to have a nickname like 'bamboo dick'. Pearse deserves a place in history on that basis alone !

Pan Am what exactly is sustained flight ? How did the Wright's achieve it and Pearce not ? 140 metres from a standing start ....



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User currently offlineDelta-flyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 2676 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (12 years 1 month 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 1392 times:

As I piece together the referenced documents, it appears that Pearse only had a handful of casual witnesses and did not publicize his flight until later. The Wright Brothers had lined up all sorts of witnesses beforehand and performed their feat in front of the media. That made instant headlines.

The Wright Brothers continued developing powered flight with financial backing. Bamboo Dick, on the other hand, was merely a "flash in the pan". While their first flight may have been a few months later, the Wright Brothers had a major impact on aviation, that's why they are credited with being first. Frankly, even I haven't heard of Pearse (until yesterday), even though I have been an avid aviation fan for 40 years. And I do not confine my reading to US journals.

Pete


User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5002 posts, RR: 21
Reply 6, posted (12 years 1 month 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 1367 times:

The government is always right and never lies!  Yeah sure


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User currently offlineJAT From Canada, joined Feb 2000, 1101 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (12 years 1 month 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 1358 times:

Well of course, the Americans have to have had invented everything. I mean who else would? They are after all the perfect nation of the earth, no? I suppose, next they will be saying insulin was also a an American invention, and the steam engine, and the printing press... There is no point in even trying to have constructive arguments. All "history" depends on, it seems, is who has the strongest lobby group in congress. I guess if I paid enough people I could patent water.

User currently offlineSAS23 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (12 years 1 month 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 1352 times:

Don't forget that it was the Yanks that invented the jet engine, with the Boeing 707 being the world's first jetliner...

User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (12 years 1 month 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 1352 times:

Well of course, the Americans have to have had invented everything. I mean who else would? They are after all the perfect nation of the earth, no? I suppose, next they will be saying insulin was also a an American invention, and the steam engine, and the printing press... There is no point in even trying to have constructive arguments. All "history" depends on, it seems, is who has the strongest lobby group in congress. I guess if I paid enough people I could patent water.

ROTFL. Tell us how you really feel, JAT, don't hold back!  Big grin


User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 19
Reply 10, posted (12 years 1 month 5 days ago) and read 1345 times:

What it all comes down to of course is that the Americans invented the US patent office (or at least patented it Big grin).
Since Americans think only things registered with the US patent office have been invented, they are right under their own (possibly perverted) logic  Smile/happy/getting dizzy



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User currently offlineVictech From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 546 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (12 years 1 month 5 days ago) and read 1336 times:

SAS23,
The 707 (model 367-80, first test flight: July 15, 1954) wasn't the first jetliner--the DeHavilland Comet (first revenue flight: May 2, 1952) was! (And it was British!  Big grin)


User currently offlineFlyboy36y From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3039 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (12 years 1 month 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 1327 times:

Well of course, the Americans have to have had invented everything. I mean who else would? They are after all the perfect nation of the earth, no? I suppose, next they will be saying insulin was also a an American invention, and the steam engine, and the printing press... There is no point in even trying to have constructive arguments. All "history" depends on, it seems, is who has the strongest lobby group in congress. I guess if I paid enough people I could patent water.

Don't be such a snide jerk. I agree with you but the way you said it is just rude and meant to be offensive to Americans.


User currently offlinePendrilsaint From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 685 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (12 years 1 month 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 1318 times:

Mmm , No need to be rude people...although I would challenge that Kiwi on the first flight...No hard evidence to prove it...My bet is still on the wright brothers...

User currently offlineFDXmech From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3251 posts, RR: 35
Reply 14, posted (12 years 1 month 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 1312 times:

They are after all the perfect nation of the earth, no? I suppose, next they will be saying insulin was also a an American invention, and the steam engine, and the printing press...

This is an outrage and completely false. Of course the U.S. didn't invent the steam engine................we just invented.... the steam.



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User currently offlineLH423 From Canada, joined Jul 1999, 6501 posts, RR: 54
Reply 15, posted (12 years 1 month 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 1292 times:

Being a Bostonian, we're quite proud that our city is home to the invention of the telephone and also site of the first telephone call, being made at Bowdoin Square. Now, because of the historical links between my city and the telephone, I could give crap where Bell was born, he's the true inventor of the telephone and the US government can shove Meucci up their rear-ends.  Smile

LH423



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User currently offlineAlpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (12 years 1 month 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 1279 times:

Now, because of the historical links between my city and the telephone, I could give crap where Bell was born, he's the true inventor of the telephone and the US government can shove Meucci up their rear-ends.

ROTFL. Of course, if you ask the U.S. government to do that, LH423, you have to go through government procurment, and we all know someone will lose the request for the government to shove it up their rear-ends, and by the time they get the message, you and I will be dead anyway.  Big thumbs up


User currently offlineDelta-flyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 2676 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (12 years 1 month 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1255 times:

I found a reference about Meucci on an Italian-American website. If true, he would indeed be the first inventor of the telephone. It was in 1849, in Cuba; since Meucci was born in Italy and only immigrated to the US in 1850, then the telephone could not be considered an American invention.

If this is true, Congress would not be "rewriting history" but correcting the accounts of history, since history is what it is. Also, it cannot be said that Congress is doing this to "Americanize" the invention of the telephone, since Meucci had even less ties to the US (at the time of the invention) than did Bell. However, it's difficult to determine the truth of this account, since there is probably a scarcity of documentation, and the web site I found does not provide any other references.

In any event, it seems that Bell invented the telephone independently, and was certainly instrumental in commercializing it, while Meucci did virtually nothing with it. (analogous to the Wright Bros. vs. Pearse on powered flight)

Anyway, here's the link, draw your own conclusions.....

http://www.italianhistorical.org/MeucciStory.htm

Pete


User currently offlineHeavymetal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (12 years 1 month 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1247 times:

Everything has a reason...let's talk demographics here:

Italian Americans make up an important "swing" vote bloc. Socially conservative but with an inherent distrust of establishment, they were a reliable Democratic voting constituency....that is, 30 years or more ago when they were still largely blue collar and union. This is a group, however, that has evolved out of those jobs into white collar incomes and suburban values. The Democrats, desperate to try to milk the traditional loyalty, will do anything to keep them. The Republicans, keenly aware of how the Democratic Party is abandoning them by courting fools like Al Sharpton, are looking to relate to them.

Look for more "payoffs" to vote-prone constituencies. The one I dread is the one the religious "right" wants...a proclaimation that the United States was founded by Christians as a "Christian country." Watch the fireworks fly when that happens!


User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (12 years 1 month 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1232 times:

Heavymetal-

I don't think anyone will change their vote due to the inventor of the telephone.



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User currently offlineHeavymetal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (12 years 1 month 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1224 times:

I don't think anyone will change their vote due to the inventor of the telephone.

Pan Am...

Trust me, if Congress did it, that means poterntial votes were involved.

Think of it as a marketing ploy. A tv commercial might not make you buy a certain car, but it will modify your impression of it.


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