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2014 Ford Mustang Ditches "retro Look"  
User currently offlinestasisLAX From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3280 posts, RR: 6
Posted (2 years 4 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 7817 times:

2014 Ford Mustang coupe


According to the Wall Street Journal, Ford Motor executives have stated that the current Ford Mustang's "retro-styling" (looking like a modern 1967-1970 Mustang) is kaput. Ford has found that the average age of a Mustang buyer is now 51 years old, which is NOT a demographic that Ford wants for its youth-oriented musclecar. Therefore, Ford has decided to update the old-school Mustang with a large amount of new "Kinetic" styling, similiar in theme to the Mondeo, Focus, and Fiesta. The Ford Evos concept vehicle shown above in an official Ford photo is said to be "very close" to the styling of the new Mustang. I agree that the Evos looks a lot more Aston Martin than Focus, but somehow I like the looks of the current Mustang and am very sorry to see Ford walk away from the Mustang's history. Hopefully, this is not another "Ford Probe" fiasco - as this next-generation Mustang will be sold internationally, including right-hand drive countries. No word on powertrains as of yet, although RWD is almost a guarantee. But V-8 powered versions may only be special editions (like Shelby variants) however, thanks to the U.S. Congress for tightening CAFE standards.

Source: http://blogs.wsj.com/drivers-seat/20...eover-what-does-ford-have-in-mind/

[Edited 2012-04-17 21:18:21]


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User currently onlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39831 posts, RR: 74
Reply 1, posted (2 years 4 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 7774 times:

Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter):
the average age of a Mustang buyer is now 51 years old,

51 is the new 21.  
These kids now-a-days have no appreciation for cars anyway. Our young boys are being taught poetry and trained to talk about his emotions and our young girls are encouraged to join the football team. Anything that is considered masculine is shunned and people are supposed to aspire to want a bus pass.
So it's no wonder that things that were traditionally considered 'fun' such as fast cars are not selling well with the younger crowd.
People are living longer now so having 51 years old as your average age of customer isn't as bad as it was 30 years ago.
That said, I'm not happy with the new styling.

Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter):
thanks to the U.S. Congress for tightening CAFE standards.

Don't get me started!   



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User currently onlinevikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 9901 posts, RR: 26
Reply 2, posted (2 years 4 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 7760 times:
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Quoting Superfly (Reply 1):
That said, I'm not happy with the new styling.

I'll go a few steps further:

It looks like utter CRAP.

Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter):
I like the looks of the current Mustang

  

The current Mustang is freaking great-looking. I was much impressed when they brought that out a few years ago.



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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15729 posts, RR: 26
Reply 3, posted (2 years 4 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 7759 times:

I like the move away from the retro look, but Ford should do better than this. It really looks to me more like a next-gen Probe than a Mustang, it needs a little more length. While I like the attempt at a fastback, it needs to be more pronounced (flare those rear wheel arches out a bit and pinch the hatchback), because at the moment it looks like an Aston Martin Veloster. Aston Martin copies their own styling enough, they don't need Ford doing it too.


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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21554 posts, RR: 55
Reply 4, posted (2 years 4 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 7749 times:

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 2):
It looks like utter CRAP.

It looks pretty good if you ask me, but that's no Mustang. Retro styling works well for muscle cars - Ford can tweak it if they want, but they should have stuck with the general principle. That just looks like an Aston that it could never compete with.

-Mir



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User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7250 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (2 years 4 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 7738 times:

That car looks FWD, if you translate that styling over to a RWD platform the bonnet is going to get longer, it's will probably look ok.

User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15729 posts, RR: 26
Reply 6, posted (2 years 4 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 7727 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 4):
Ford can tweak it if they want, but they should have stuck with the general principle.

Fix the fastback at the rear and square up that grille and they'll probably have a pretty decent Mustang.



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User currently onlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39831 posts, RR: 74
Reply 7, posted (2 years 4 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 7719 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 3):
Probe......it needs a little more length.

Oh boy. 


The Probe has a hardcore group of followers. I used to work with a guy that always bragged about his Probe.
Perhaps Ford could build this car along side the existing Mustang and call this new blob-car the Probe.
They brought back the Taurus, why not bring back another uninspiring nameplate?



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User currently offlinealoges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8702 posts, RR: 43
Reply 8, posted (2 years 4 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 7706 times:

Have they hired Ian Callum again?


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User currently offlinezippyjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 5478 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (2 years 4 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 7704 times:

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 2):

Quoting Superfly (Reply 1):
That said, I'm not happy with the new styling.


I'll go a few steps further:

It looks like utter CRAP.

Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter):
I like the looks of the current Mustang



The current Mustang is freaking great-looking. I was much impressed when they brought that out a few years ago

The current retro stang including the 2010 face lift is a classic and proves that all is not lost when it comes to automotive styling. And not to scare anyone but I read Ford is going to roll out a 4 door version of the Mustang! I saw it somewhere and it looks better than the picture posted in the thread starter.
I had a 1974 Mustang II Ghia 6 cylinder. That was the one year of the Mustang II where it looked like a Mustang. In the 1975-1978 years the coupe got an opera window look which made the car look stubby. Yes, I know the Mustang II was a performance flop but at least it had cool lines with the exception of the pudgy 1975-1978 coupes. Many will vehemently disagree with me but the too long 1979 to 2004 Mustang looked like a souped up Fairmont. That generation overstayed it's welcome by a good 10 years. The following generation Mustang was a step in the right direction but, I loathed that imitation of the Corvette dash. Made the car look like a chick's car.
As others have mentioned, the proposed style looks like a Ford Probe mixed with a Honda Accord coupe. And, they better not again ditch the Mustang/horse logo. The new proposed Mustang also may take us back to that first generation Escort fugly little so called sport coupe with the froggy headlights and face/grille. Not to be nationalistic but, the Mustang Is Not a World Car! Only thing worse would be to make it a crossover SUV puker on wheels.
Ford, you have a winner with the current Mustang. If I were to restyle it, I'd maybe incorporate some of the early Fox era styling cues but more fluid, and aerodynamic. The first few years of the "Fox" platform Mustang were OK looking but once they dropped the coupe it got stale and was a fave with the redneck steroid boys thinking they were men. A compromise as I said would be freshen up the classic tail lights and grille but incorporate some of the Fox generation and if Ford has that much of a hard on for a world car, let the UN version not be called a Mustang and look more like a communist lover's hybrid looking blob globalist chariot.

For the world version just call the damn thing Globalist or Illuminati!

[Edited 2012-04-17 23:35:33]


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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21554 posts, RR: 55
Reply 10, posted (2 years 4 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 7693 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 6):
Fix the fastback at the rear and square up that grille and they'll probably have a pretty decent Mustang.

Maybe. The whole Kinetic styling thing is basically just borrowing from the people who design the Fords for the European market. That's fine when it's family cars, because the Europeans do those very well, but there should be nothing European-inspired about the Mustang (at least not visibly). They'd have to make some serious changes to that design before I could say it looks right.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 7):
I used to work with a guy that always bragged about his Probe.

-Mir



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User currently onlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39831 posts, RR: 74
Reply 11, posted (2 years 4 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 7682 times:

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 9):
In the 1975-1978 years the coupe got an opera window look which made the car look stubby. Yes, I know the Mustang II was a performance flop but at least it had cool lines

I like the Ghia versions of those Mustang IIs.
Especially in dark navy blue with chamois landau notchback roof, luggage rack on trunklid, matching interior and color coded aluminium rims complete with white walls, quad 8track player and of course the powerglass moonroof. That's when you drop drop in a Mark VII LSC 5.0 liter V8 (same block the available 302) and you have one smokin' chick car.  
Quoting zippyjet (Reply 9):
Many will vehemently disagree with me but the too long 1979 to 2004 Mustang looked like a souped up Fairmont.

Well it was a souped up Fairmont.

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 9):
Made the car look like a chick's car.

A cool chicks car.   

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 9):
if Ford has that much of a hard on for a world car, let the UN version not be called a Mustang and look more like a communist lover's hybrid looking blob globalist chariot.

You tell 'em!

Quoting Mir (Reply 10):

I just remember his last day at work was when he posted photos of his Probe at his cubicle. Never seen the guy since.



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User currently offlinefridgmus From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1442 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (2 years 4 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 7582 times:
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Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter):

Oh Hell No!

Probe? Isn't that an instrument a doctor sticks up your ass?   



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User currently offlinezckls04 From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 1322 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (2 years 4 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 7568 times:

Two good things about the current Mustang:

1) Styling
2) Those lights on the dash that you can change to different colors

Everything else is horrible compared to the previous version. Now they're going to take the former away. Seems like a bad idea.

Having said that I do think if you want a classic Mustang then that's what you should buy, rather than some crappy imitation. As soon as circumstances allow (mid life crisis?) I intend to do exactly that.



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User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7250 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (2 years 4 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 7540 times:

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 9):
And not to scare anyone but I read Ford is going to roll out a 4 door version of the Mustang! I saw it somewhere and it looks better than the picture posted in the thread starter.

Is this the one?

http://www.roadandtrack.com/var/ezflow_site/storage_RT_NEW/storage/images/highlights/frontpage/flipper/2014-ford-mustang-sedan/2822394-2-eng-US/2014-ford-mustang-sedan.jpg


User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7516 posts, RR: 23
Reply 15, posted (2 years 4 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 7518 times:

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 9):
And not to scare anyone but I read Ford is going to roll out a 4 door version of the Mustang! I saw it somewhere and it looks better than the picture posted in the thread starter.
Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 14):
Is this the one?

That was an April Fool's Teaser from Car and Driver.

Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter):
2014 Ford Mustang Ditches "retro Look"

From what I've read, the new Mustang model is scheduled to be launched on April 17, 2014 (50 years from the date the original Mustang was launched) as either a 2014-1/2 or 2015 model. The 2014 model that will be launched a year from now will essentially be a carry-over of the current generation.

While I knew that the retro-themed styling (I like the style of the 2005-2009s) was on its way out with the next restyle; Ford would be extremely stupid not to keep the basic elements that make a Mustang a Mustang.

Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter):
No word on powertrains as of yet, although RWD is almost a guarantee. But V-8 powered versions may only be special editions (like Shelby variants) however, thanks to the U.S. Congress for tightening CAFE standards.

From what I've read in other articles regarding the next Mustang:
RWD - yes.

V8 availability - special editions and GTs; although an Ecoboost V6 GT may be offered alongside the standard V8 GT.

After a 20+ year absence, a 4-cylinder engine will return for the Mustang as a standard engine for the base model.

New model will be smaller in size than the current model. I'm assuming that it will be sized similar to the '79-'04 models.

Also, the solid rear-axle (which was originally planned to be dropped in the 2005 redesign but kept due to production costs) will be ditched as well.

I'm hoping the next 2014.5/2015 Mustang does not look like the above-Evos concept. We shall see.

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 9):
The first few years of the "Fox" platform Mustang were OK looking but once they dropped the coupe it got stale

Zip, if by coupe you mean notchback; it remained through 2004 (the hatchback was dropped in 1994) until the current fastback look rolled out in 2005.

[Edited 2012-04-18 10:32:56]


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User currently offlinecasinterest From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4568 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (2 years 4 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 7510 times:

Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter):
Ford has found that the average age of a Mustang buyer is now 51 years old, which is NOT a demographic that Ford wants for its youth-oriented musclecar. Therefore, Ford

Based on that picture, they are going after 60+ year olds.
That car looks like a Cadillac on steroids.



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User currently offlineACDC8 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 7642 posts, RR: 35
Reply 17, posted (2 years 4 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 7510 times:

2014 is going to be a huge year for Mustang and Ford since it celebrates its 50th Anniversary, and Ford has been doing an amazing job over the years not only in bringing back the retro look for the Mustang, but also bringing out some great re-builds of some classic mustangs such as the 2001 and 2008 Bullitt, 2003-2004 Mach 1 and the current Boss 302 ... Shelby of course with the current GT500 and the limited GT500H, GT500KR and GT350. Also, Ford has really been going after the aftermarket upgrade market in recent years, I seriously doubt that Ford is seriously condisdering such a radical departrure from the current Mustang design to a Genesis knock-off.

Ford tried killing off the Mustang twice already, fortunatly the revolt amongst the huge Mustang fan base was big enough for Ford to listen and I'm pretty sure they're not regretting that decision. Mustang still has many, many, many young buyers but they're buying older used models because they can't afford the newer GTs let alone Shelbys. My 2004 GT had a sticker price of $35000 CDN compared to almost $50000 CDN for a 2012 GT, the Shelbys are pushing $70000 CDN and with them going to 650hp next year, I'm sure they'll hit the $70000 CDN mark. And to be honest, buying a used 99-04 New Edge or even an early (05-08) S197 and dropping a new 5.0L Coyote crate engine from Ford would be cheaper than buying a new GT.

Ford has a huge and very loyal customer base with the Mustang and while I do agree that the retro look may have reached its peek I'm very sure that Ford will end up loosing more Mustang buyers by launching such a ridiculous design as opposed to keeping the Mustang a Mustang.



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User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7516 posts, RR: 23
Reply 18, posted (2 years 4 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 7492 times:

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 17):
My 2004 GT had a sticker price of $35000 CDN compared to almost $50000 CDN for a 2012 GT

Your GT must've had a lot of options and extras. According to Ford's website, the starting price of the 2013 GT is $30,300.

http://www.ford.com/cars/mustang/models/

[Edited 2012-04-18 10:37:09]


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User currently offlineACDC8 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 7642 posts, RR: 35
Reply 19, posted (2 years 4 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 7477 times:

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 18):
Your GT must've had a lot of options and extras. According to Ford's website, the starting price of the 2013 GT is $30,300.

My price is in CDN dollars, my 04 GT Vert (automatic unfortunatly) came in at just over $35000 CDN new, a comparable model now is at $48000 CDN and thats not even adding more newer options. So for $48000 CDN I can buy a new GT or get a used 08 GT500 for $6-$8000 less and that is where the younger buyers are going.

Also, I've never purchased a car in the US so I can only speak for the Canadian marketplace, but unless you're buying online, finding a base model at a dealership will be very difficult, they're almost always ordered with various packages and upgrades.

[Edited 2012-04-18 11:02:37]


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User currently offlinetype-rated From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 4975 posts, RR: 19
Reply 20, posted (2 years 4 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 7471 times:

How many 21 year old do you know that can afford a $38,000 car?


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User currently offlineslider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6793 posts, RR: 34
Reply 21, posted (2 years 4 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 7436 times:

At first glance, it made me think Aston-Martin....

Personally, I've never been a fan of Mustangs in general so don't care what they do with it.


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26414 posts, RR: 75
Reply 22, posted (2 years 4 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 7413 times:

One thing it needs to keep - the beautiful sounds of true dual exhaust.

Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter):
Ford has found that the average age of a Mustang buyer is now 51 years old, which is NOT a demographic that Ford wants for its youth-oriented musclecar.

Then they need to cut the price. In half.

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 2):
t looks like utter CRAP.

I imagine it will get sharpened up a bit. It looks part Aston, part Jag - two nameplates Ford owned until very recently.

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 2):
The current Mustang is freaking great-looking. I was much impressed when they brought that out a few years ago.

Totally. I've actually liked the looks since the big redesign in 1994. They were ugly as sin between that and the Mach 1/Boss 302 era.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 7):
The Probe has a hardcore group of followers. I used to work with a guy that always bragged about his Probe.

The Probe was an utter pile of crap.

Quoting Mir (Reply 10):

LOL

Quoting Superfly (Reply 11):
I just remember his last day at work was when he posted photos of his Probe at his cubicle. Never seen the guy since.

Once again:

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 15):
After a 20+ year absence, a 4-cylinder engine will return for the Mustang as a standard engine for the base model.

Yeah, that should be illegal.

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 15):
Also, the solid rear-axle (which was originally planned to be dropped in the 2005 redesign but kept due to production costs) will be ditched as well.

Thank goodness. This is a change I like.

Quoting type-rated (Reply 20):

How many 21 year old do you know that can afford a $38,000 car?

Exactly. Young people simply can't afford cars at these prices. Its unsurprising their average age has crept up.



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User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7516 posts, RR: 23
Reply 23, posted (2 years 4 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 7399 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 22):
Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 15):
After a 20+ year absence, a 4-cylinder engine will return for the Mustang as a standard engine for the base model.

Yeah, that should be illegal.

Again, blame CAFE for that.

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 19):
My price is in CDN dollars

Oops, my bad. Nonetheless, I wasn't aware there was that much of a difference between CDN vs. USD then and now.

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 19):
unless you're buying online, finding a base model at a dealership will be very difficult, they're almost always ordered with various packages and upgrades.

Every now and then, one might find a base model without all the toys in the lot as a price leader; but, I agree finding a lesser-equipped one can take some time or may warrant a factory order.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 22):
One thing it needs to keep - the beautiful sounds of true dual exhaust.

Given that all Mustangs since 2011 have duals; my guess is that duals will continue for at least the V6 and V8 models.

Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter):
Ford has found that the average age of a Mustang buyer is now 51 years old, which is NOT a demographic that Ford wants for its youth-oriented musclecar.

What age bracket exactly is Ford defining as a youth-oriented market? They had to have known that the average age of a new Mustang would go up because of its higher price not to mention that there's been a little thing out there for the last few years called a Recession. That's likely to turn buyers (younger ones in particular) away from purchasing new vehicles period.



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26414 posts, RR: 75
Reply 24, posted (2 years 4 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 7382 times:

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 23):
Again, blame CAFE for that.

No. I blame Ford's inability to innovate. That's especially true if they can't average out a lower volume car like this.

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 23):
Oops, my bad. Nonetheless, I wasn't aware there was that much of a difference between CDN vs. USD then and now.

There isn't. Car companies rip off Canadians. That's the problem.



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25 Post contains links PHLBOS : That's just it; the Mustang's not, never was, nor intended to be a low-volume car; aside from a couple of isolated package models. EPA ratings for V6
26 Post contains images MD11junkie : OK. Ford, if this is their final call will be blowing off all the Muscle Car funness.
27 zippyjet : As mentioned 51 is the new 21 or at least 31. Not to dis today's youth but such cultural crap as Maroon 5 and reality TV is shall we say anything but
28 Revelation : The car is OK, but Ford's crazy to stick the Mustang name on it. It ain't a Mustang, so call it something else, for f'sake.
29 N1120A : Yet it has become one, largely because of an inflating price and changing tastes.
30 Post contains images Flighty : LOFL. Yup, there are so few people 55+, and they have so little money. Just no opportunities there. Definitely urban, young people have all the money
31 Post contains images ALTF4 : Ok, I'll bite. While I wasn't government educated and never had to participate in female's activities, I wasn't a football player either. Frankly, th
32 Flighty : Right, but some of us don't have the pliable 21 year old bodies that bring such a pretty penny. Or, is there a "job" 22 year olds do for six figure i
33 type-rated : Daddy's money? Most 21 years olds are still in college or saving to buy their own furniture, housing, and bling, etc. Some parents would give their l
34 dl021 : Ford thought to replace the Mustang with the Probe...failed. They modernized it to save fuel with the Mustang II...failed.... They need to really thin
35 Polot : While sales are not what they once were it still is hardly a low volume car. They sold a little over 70,000 of them last year (57th best selling car)
36 akiss20 : Finance for one. Around 40% of people from my university (MIT) end up in finance for some amount of time because they just can't pass up the money. A
37 ikramerica : Tell me about it. They buy cars because rapping hamsters tell them to... Doesn't look like a Mustang. I thought it was the Jaguar copy-cat look of th
38 Polot : It also should be noted that the CAFE fuel economy standards are different from the ones you see on the label anyways; they are not adjusted for real
39 Derico : Actually I don't appreciate cars because they are the worst investment you can make with your money. Would you invest in a stock that loses 15% the i
40 greasespot : Appears that I am in the minority. I Love the look of the new Mustang. gs
41 Superfly : That's the price for the GT convertible with every feature. The base V6 hardtop is still about $20,000. Cars aren't and "investment", they are a liab
42 stasisLAX : No official word yet from Ford Motor, but a 2014 1/2 Mustang model would be the perfect 50th anniversary designation. Here's the problem with young b
43 Superfly : Which is precisely what I was saying in my first reply. A lot of it is conditioning.
44 Newark727 : That doesn't look like a Mustang anymore. That doesn't look like... much of anything, honestly. I appreciate the move to make the Mustang a bit wider
45 zippyjet : The proposed design has a horrid grille! It's the "Anti-Mustang." Why does everything have to look like a Fiat blob or putrid SUV/Crossovers that feat
46 Post contains links and images Superfly : I happen to like the Mustang II. The Ghia's were gorgeous. This new design would be the ugliest Mustang ever IF they put the Mustang badge on it. This
47 Post contains links and images zippyjet : I really liked the 1974 Mustang II Ghia. Though looking back, the Opera Window 1975-1978 Ghia's are growing on me the 1974 combined the Ghia luxury w
48 Post contains links and images Superfly : They could have called it the Luxury Decord Group, Gran Mustang or Landau. I've always been saying mini-Mark IV but yes, you are correct. That is suc
49 Post contains images airtrainer : I wish this thread was posted earlier this month for an april fool... What a disappointing design for a Mustang
50 SmittyOne : Big surprise...who else would have a mullet and money?
51 ALTF4 : Yep. I work for a fortune 50 company. The job I took was previously held by a mid-40's guy with a family, an Audi A4, and a $500,000 home. I proved a
52 Superfly : Too many people here are focusing on the cost of the more expensive models; ie the GT convertible and Cobra. You can still get a base 6-cylinder hardt
53 PHLBOS : That wasn't always the case. When CAFE was first established in the mid-70s, its figures and the combined/average EPA city/highway ratings were eithe
54 Post contains images N1120A : Why am I not surprised Only you (and apparently Zippyjet) liked those cars.
55 Superfly : So I was off by about $2000 and it's still in the price range as all other car buyers in the under 30 crowd.
56 Post contains images Revelation : So you really think a teacher has much ability to curb the libido of a teenage boy? Seems many these days are enhancing it by sleeping with them!
57 Superfly : They can't curb their libido but they can condition them in to believing nonsense about global warming and hating cars - especially American cars. I
58 KiwiRob : Once you start adding essentials like floor mats, bigger alloys, stripes, recaros, the price goes up pretty quickly, I just build one with minimum op
59 Revelation : Interesting that many of my generation developed a preference for non-American cars without global warming. On the low end, we disliked the Pinto and
60 BMI727 : Those old "Mustangs" make the Probe look good. Of course, there's also the slight detail that driving a Civic or Scion (other than the FR-S) kinda su
61 Post contains images Superfly : Where did you live back then? Where I grew up, the disco guys drove coupes like the Cutlass, Monte Carlo, Grand Prix Cordoba, Thunderbird and Matador
62 Revelation : About two hours drive northwest of NYC in Central Connecticut.
63 KiwiRob : The Ford.com website, which would be in the US. I wouldn't be driving a gas guzzler like a Mustang in Norway.
64 TheRedBaron : I hate Fords, so no matter what they do I hate them. I have reason my last Ford lit itself on fire (after being parked for 2 months with no use) and c
65 type-rated : While in college I took a marketing class where we studied the Mustang II, the car that almost ruined Ford. The problem was that it was expensive for
66 Flighty : Well they condition boys to believe masculine traits are bad, and female traits like attentiveness, sitting still, and social skills are more importa
67 Post contains links and images PHLBOS : Huh? Sales figures for the '74-'78 Mustang II 1974: 385,993 (with no V8 engine available) 1975: 188,575 1976: 187,567 1977: 153,173 1978: 192,410 (ro
68 Polot : If you look at all the data (I plotted it in excel), that is basically true with all generations except through the 90s and around the turn of the ce
69 SmittyOne : LOL, keep kidding yourself that automobiles don't have a serious negative impact on the environment. Which I think you are doing by making it sound l
70 Post contains images Superfly : Not to be knit-picky but Connecticut would be northeast of NYC. But I'm not surprised because the coastal areas, particularly areas with all of those
71 kngkyle : I like the front, but the back needs some work.
72 BMI727 : They weren't bad compared to the Pinto, but those Mustangs really sucked. Just like a Ferrari! I don't care at all if it does or not.
73 sccutler : Say what you will about the Mustang's demographic draw - my 17-year-old son has been all adrool over Mustangs since he was about 8 years old. If he ma
74 Post contains links zippyjet : If I were to buy a new Mustang with the 6 cylinder, I'd go with the stick shift. With the weight of the current stang, an automatic with a 6 would be
75 Post contains images Superfly : The best thing we can do is write letters and complain to Ford. Write as many post as possible about proposed Mustang on the Ford Motor Company's Face
76 SmittyOne : One what? One person willing to call you out? I don't care where you stand on environmental issues (my lifestyle is not very green) but I think your
77 Post contains images Revelation : LOL! I knew something wasn't right there. Well, just as all of MA is not Boston or Cambridge, all of CT is not Fairfield County. Even all of New Have
78 L410Turbolet : Really? The fact that car manufacturers/designers can't do anything better than just stealing their own ideas from half a century ago seems like a ve
79 PHLBOS : I'm not sure about the current 2012/2013 model w/the 3.7L but according to tests involving 2008 models with the old 4.0L; the difference in 0 to 60 t
80 Revelation : 1980 to be exact. It's interesting that you don't seem to allow for people actually liking the nimble handling, high quality, great value and great g
81 Post contains links and images AI121 : These "new loook" photos are all just rumors for now. Probably what Ford means by getting Mustang off retro look is this.. Link to the source
82 Post contains images Superfly : Now I can sleep better tonight.... That was a great year! Concert tickets to see great bands such as Styx, Rush, Queen or Blue Oyster Cult was still
83 PHLBOS : I stated no such thing. I was merely pointing out that a sizable portion of the automotive buying population changed to different types and sizes of
84 BMI727 : That isn't off the retro at all. That still looks more like old Mustangs than the new Camaro looks like the old Camaros. Hell, that's basically a fac
85 Ken777 : Most cars these days have prices that challenge consumer wallets. If you look at the original Mustang and how it fit into the market you would think
86 zippyjet : Where would the rear speakers go? I remember, the Stereo option only gave you 2 door mounted speakers as the package shelf on the notchback was tiny
87 PHLBOS : The starting price of a base Mustang hardtop (fastback) is indeed in the lower 20s; but the extra toys and higher trim packages (not to mention the G
88 Post contains images stasisLAX : The 2014 (and a half, perhaps) Mustang engine lineup is rumored to be a 1.6-liter "EcoBoost" turbocharged and direct injected four-cylinder engine th
89 Revelation : And I didn't state that you did state such a thing, just that your description didn't seem to allow for any other reason for someone to buy different
90 mmedford : Many have made their opinions on the styling and I argee.... But I will say one thing, mustangs should only come in V8s....
91 BMI727 : Unless the new Mustang weighs about 2,500 lbs (a drop of about 1,000 lbs. over the current model) that isn't going to cut it. It isn't about the numb
92 Superfly : A friend of mine back in high school (late 80s early 90s) had a Datsun/Nissan 300ZX that he loved to death! It was a great car too. Today he has a fa
93 Max Q : Looks terrible. They should stay with the Retro look and finally fix the cheap, goofy interior.
94 N1120A : The Bush Junta didn't repeal CAFE, so I don't see that happening elsewhere. And good thing too.
95 Superfly : I had asked PHLBOS the same question several years ago and he pointed out that the previous Junta didn't raise it when there was an effort by enviro-
96 photopilot : No... I think too many young guys have had their balls chopped off (figuratively speaking) and been brainwashed by all that environmental nonsense th
97 Revelation : So which is it: young guys listen to the environmentalists, or follow their primal urges? I vote for the primal urges.
98 Post contains images ACDC8 : Progress? The "basic" GT now pumps out 420hp, my 04 GT pumps out 260hp and next years Shelby is to have 650hp and thats gonna be cut in half? Yeah, n
99 Post contains links mham001 : I don't know about who gets laid more in what but it is old news that teenager interest in cars has fallen dramatically in the last 20 years. Social
100 stasisLAX : The new Mustang is expected to drop 400-500 lbs - keep in mind that the current Mustang is approximately 500 pounds lighter than the porky Challenger
101 Post contains images Superfly : That is what I was saying. It's really sad to see this. You're from a generation were it was ok for a man to think like a man and a lady to think lik
102 BMI727 : That's not going to be enough. The issue is that the Mustang, Camaro and Challengers have stopped being pony cars and have aged with their customers.
103 Max Q : A Mustang should look like a Mustang or what's the point ? That thing looks like a Kia
104 Revelation : Yet other than my brother and his set of muscle car fans, I can't think of too many who went after the kinds of cars described here. Most went after
105 Post contains images Superfly : It's them gawd damn East-coast pointy-headed intellectuals again! Where I grew up, no one drove those kinds of cars but 40 minutes away on the north
106 Post contains images PHLBOS : Three words regarding altering CAFE standards: Act of Congress. One could conceivably have a President who would toss out the standards in a heartbea
107 Revelation : LOL! My first car was a '72 pinto purchased in 1980 for $400 and not worth that. I bought it from one of my brother's gearhead friend knowing it was
108 Post contains images NASCARAirforce : Lets see, when 51 year olds were in their teens and 20s... this was pretty much the Mustang. I guess the 2014 Mustang would be the retro design to th
109 SW733 : That's one bad looking Maserati...
110 ThrottleHold : I considered buying a Shelby Mustang, but I was put off by the tacky, cheap, plasticky interior. Went for a 2012 Jaguar XK-R Convertible instead.
111 zippyjet : I saw a picture of the 2014 Stang in a Car and Driver magazine. It was the same bloated round mess on wheels as in the picture at the top of this thre
112 BMI727 : You made the right choice. The Shelby performs well, but at the end of the day it's still a $50,000 (here, I'm sure it's higher elsewhere) Mustang, a
113 rlwynn : Last year Ford sold 765,611 Fiestas compared to the Mustangs 77,652.
114 PHLBOS : I believe he's referring to ones sold in the U.S. market only.
115 Post contains images zippyjet : No, more like that bathtub hippo on wheels the Renault Fuego. Or, maybe: I can see the new advertising campaign for this mistake: 1. Features a bunch
116 rlwynn : I realize that but I am sure Ford is looking at the bigger picture.
117 Polot : I wasn't trying to imply that the Mustang is more important to FoMoCo as a whole than the Fiesta. I was just pointing out that the pony car segment i
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