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2014 Ford Mustang Ditches "retro Look"  
User currently offlinestasisLAX From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3283 posts, RR: 6
Posted (2 years 5 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 7924 times:

2014 Ford Mustang coupe


According to the Wall Street Journal, Ford Motor executives have stated that the current Ford Mustang's "retro-styling" (looking like a modern 1967-1970 Mustang) is kaput. Ford has found that the average age of a Mustang buyer is now 51 years old, which is NOT a demographic that Ford wants for its youth-oriented musclecar. Therefore, Ford has decided to update the old-school Mustang with a large amount of new "Kinetic" styling, similiar in theme to the Mondeo, Focus, and Fiesta. The Ford Evos concept vehicle shown above in an official Ford photo is said to be "very close" to the styling of the new Mustang. I agree that the Evos looks a lot more Aston Martin than Focus, but somehow I like the looks of the current Mustang and am very sorry to see Ford walk away from the Mustang's history. Hopefully, this is not another "Ford Probe" fiasco - as this next-generation Mustang will be sold internationally, including right-hand drive countries. No word on powertrains as of yet, although RWD is almost a guarantee. But V-8 powered versions may only be special editions (like Shelby variants) however, thanks to the U.S. Congress for tightening CAFE standards.

Source: http://blogs.wsj.com/drivers-seat/20...eover-what-does-ford-have-in-mind/

[Edited 2012-04-17 21:18:21]


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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39884 posts, RR: 74
Reply 1, posted (2 years 5 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 7881 times:

Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter):
the average age of a Mustang buyer is now 51 years old,

51 is the new 21.  
These kids now-a-days have no appreciation for cars anyway. Our young boys are being taught poetry and trained to talk about his emotions and our young girls are encouraged to join the football team. Anything that is considered masculine is shunned and people are supposed to aspire to want a bus pass.
So it's no wonder that things that were traditionally considered 'fun' such as fast cars are not selling well with the younger crowd.
People are living longer now so having 51 years old as your average age of customer isn't as bad as it was 30 years ago.
That said, I'm not happy with the new styling.

Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter):
thanks to the U.S. Congress for tightening CAFE standards.

Don't get me started!   



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User currently offlinevikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 10027 posts, RR: 26
Reply 2, posted (2 years 5 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 7867 times:
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Quoting Superfly (Reply 1):
That said, I'm not happy with the new styling.

I'll go a few steps further:

It looks like utter CRAP.

Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter):
I like the looks of the current Mustang

  

The current Mustang is freaking great-looking. I was much impressed when they brought that out a few years ago.



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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15744 posts, RR: 27
Reply 3, posted (2 years 5 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 7866 times:

I like the move away from the retro look, but Ford should do better than this. It really looks to me more like a next-gen Probe than a Mustang, it needs a little more length. While I like the attempt at a fastback, it needs to be more pronounced (flare those rear wheel arches out a bit and pinch the hatchback), because at the moment it looks like an Aston Martin Veloster. Aston Martin copies their own styling enough, they don't need Ford doing it too.


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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21626 posts, RR: 55
Reply 4, posted (2 years 5 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 7856 times:

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 2):
It looks like utter CRAP.

It looks pretty good if you ask me, but that's no Mustang. Retro styling works well for muscle cars - Ford can tweak it if they want, but they should have stuck with the general principle. That just looks like an Aston that it could never compete with.

-Mir



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User currently onlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7376 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (2 years 5 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 7845 times:

That car looks FWD, if you translate that styling over to a RWD platform the bonnet is going to get longer, it's will probably look ok.

User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15744 posts, RR: 27
Reply 6, posted (2 years 5 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 7834 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 4):
Ford can tweak it if they want, but they should have stuck with the general principle.

Fix the fastback at the rear and square up that grille and they'll probably have a pretty decent Mustang.



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39884 posts, RR: 74
Reply 7, posted (2 years 5 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 7826 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 3):
Probe......it needs a little more length.

Oh boy. 


The Probe has a hardcore group of followers. I used to work with a guy that always bragged about his Probe.
Perhaps Ford could build this car along side the existing Mustang and call this new blob-car the Probe.
They brought back the Taurus, why not bring back another uninspiring nameplate?



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User currently offlinealoges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8707 posts, RR: 42
Reply 8, posted (2 years 5 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 7813 times:

Have they hired Ian Callum again?


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User currently offlinezippyjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 5478 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (2 years 5 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 7811 times:

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 2):

Quoting Superfly (Reply 1):
That said, I'm not happy with the new styling.


I'll go a few steps further:

It looks like utter CRAP.

Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter):
I like the looks of the current Mustang



The current Mustang is freaking great-looking. I was much impressed when they brought that out a few years ago

The current retro stang including the 2010 face lift is a classic and proves that all is not lost when it comes to automotive styling. And not to scare anyone but I read Ford is going to roll out a 4 door version of the Mustang! I saw it somewhere and it looks better than the picture posted in the thread starter.
I had a 1974 Mustang II Ghia 6 cylinder. That was the one year of the Mustang II where it looked like a Mustang. In the 1975-1978 years the coupe got an opera window look which made the car look stubby. Yes, I know the Mustang II was a performance flop but at least it had cool lines with the exception of the pudgy 1975-1978 coupes. Many will vehemently disagree with me but the too long 1979 to 2004 Mustang looked like a souped up Fairmont. That generation overstayed it's welcome by a good 10 years. The following generation Mustang was a step in the right direction but, I loathed that imitation of the Corvette dash. Made the car look like a chick's car.
As others have mentioned, the proposed style looks like a Ford Probe mixed with a Honda Accord coupe. And, they better not again ditch the Mustang/horse logo. The new proposed Mustang also may take us back to that first generation Escort fugly little so called sport coupe with the froggy headlights and face/grille. Not to be nationalistic but, the Mustang Is Not a World Car! Only thing worse would be to make it a crossover SUV puker on wheels.
Ford, you have a winner with the current Mustang. If I were to restyle it, I'd maybe incorporate some of the early Fox era styling cues but more fluid, and aerodynamic. The first few years of the "Fox" platform Mustang were OK looking but once they dropped the coupe it got stale and was a fave with the redneck steroid boys thinking they were men. A compromise as I said would be freshen up the classic tail lights and grille but incorporate some of the Fox generation and if Ford has that much of a hard on for a world car, let the UN version not be called a Mustang and look more like a communist lover's hybrid looking blob globalist chariot.

For the world version just call the damn thing Globalist or Illuminati!

[Edited 2012-04-17 23:35:33]


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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21626 posts, RR: 55
Reply 10, posted (2 years 5 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 7800 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 6):
Fix the fastback at the rear and square up that grille and they'll probably have a pretty decent Mustang.

Maybe. The whole Kinetic styling thing is basically just borrowing from the people who design the Fords for the European market. That's fine when it's family cars, because the Europeans do those very well, but there should be nothing European-inspired about the Mustang (at least not visibly). They'd have to make some serious changes to that design before I could say it looks right.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 7):
I used to work with a guy that always bragged about his Probe.

-Mir



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39884 posts, RR: 74
Reply 11, posted (2 years 5 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 7789 times:

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 9):
In the 1975-1978 years the coupe got an opera window look which made the car look stubby. Yes, I know the Mustang II was a performance flop but at least it had cool lines

I like the Ghia versions of those Mustang IIs.
Especially in dark navy blue with chamois landau notchback roof, luggage rack on trunklid, matching interior and color coded aluminium rims complete with white walls, quad 8track player and of course the powerglass moonroof. That's when you drop drop in a Mark VII LSC 5.0 liter V8 (same block the available 302) and you have one smokin' chick car.  
Quoting zippyjet (Reply 9):
Many will vehemently disagree with me but the too long 1979 to 2004 Mustang looked like a souped up Fairmont.

Well it was a souped up Fairmont.

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 9):
Made the car look like a chick's car.

A cool chicks car.   

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 9):
if Ford has that much of a hard on for a world car, let the UN version not be called a Mustang and look more like a communist lover's hybrid looking blob globalist chariot.

You tell 'em!

Quoting Mir (Reply 10):

I just remember his last day at work was when he posted photos of his Probe at his cubicle. Never seen the guy since.



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User currently offlinefridgmus From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1442 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (2 years 5 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 7689 times:
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Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter):

Oh Hell No!

Probe? Isn't that an instrument a doctor sticks up your ass?   



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User currently offlinezckls04 From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 1375 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (2 years 5 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 7675 times:

Two good things about the current Mustang:

1) Styling
2) Those lights on the dash that you can change to different colors

Everything else is horrible compared to the previous version. Now they're going to take the former away. Seems like a bad idea.

Having said that I do think if you want a classic Mustang then that's what you should buy, rather than some crappy imitation. As soon as circumstances allow (mid life crisis?) I intend to do exactly that.



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User currently onlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7376 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (2 years 5 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 7647 times:

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 9):
And not to scare anyone but I read Ford is going to roll out a 4 door version of the Mustang! I saw it somewhere and it looks better than the picture posted in the thread starter.

Is this the one?

http://www.roadandtrack.com/var/ezflow_site/storage_RT_NEW/storage/images/highlights/frontpage/flipper/2014-ford-mustang-sedan/2822394-2-eng-US/2014-ford-mustang-sedan.jpg


User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7521 posts, RR: 23
Reply 15, posted (2 years 5 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 7625 times:

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 9):
And not to scare anyone but I read Ford is going to roll out a 4 door version of the Mustang! I saw it somewhere and it looks better than the picture posted in the thread starter.
Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 14):
Is this the one?

That was an April Fool's Teaser from Car and Driver.

Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter):
2014 Ford Mustang Ditches "retro Look"

From what I've read, the new Mustang model is scheduled to be launched on April 17, 2014 (50 years from the date the original Mustang was launched) as either a 2014-1/2 or 2015 model. The 2014 model that will be launched a year from now will essentially be a carry-over of the current generation.

While I knew that the retro-themed styling (I like the style of the 2005-2009s) was on its way out with the next restyle; Ford would be extremely stupid not to keep the basic elements that make a Mustang a Mustang.

Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter):
No word on powertrains as of yet, although RWD is almost a guarantee. But V-8 powered versions may only be special editions (like Shelby variants) however, thanks to the U.S. Congress for tightening CAFE standards.

From what I've read in other articles regarding the next Mustang:
RWD - yes.

V8 availability - special editions and GTs; although an Ecoboost V6 GT may be offered alongside the standard V8 GT.

After a 20+ year absence, a 4-cylinder engine will return for the Mustang as a standard engine for the base model.

New model will be smaller in size than the current model. I'm assuming that it will be sized similar to the '79-'04 models.

Also, the solid rear-axle (which was originally planned to be dropped in the 2005 redesign but kept due to production costs) will be ditched as well.

I'm hoping the next 2014.5/2015 Mustang does not look like the above-Evos concept. We shall see.

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 9):
The first few years of the "Fox" platform Mustang were OK looking but once they dropped the coupe it got stale

Zip, if by coupe you mean notchback; it remained through 2004 (the hatchback was dropped in 1994) until the current fastback look rolled out in 2005.

[Edited 2012-04-18 10:32:56]


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User currently offlinecasinterest From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4623 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (2 years 5 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 7617 times:

Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter):
Ford has found that the average age of a Mustang buyer is now 51 years old, which is NOT a demographic that Ford wants for its youth-oriented musclecar. Therefore, Ford

Based on that picture, they are going after 60+ year olds.
That car looks like a Cadillac on steroids.



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User currently offlineACDC8 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 7642 posts, RR: 35
Reply 17, posted (2 years 5 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 7617 times:

2014 is going to be a huge year for Mustang and Ford since it celebrates its 50th Anniversary, and Ford has been doing an amazing job over the years not only in bringing back the retro look for the Mustang, but also bringing out some great re-builds of some classic mustangs such as the 2001 and 2008 Bullitt, 2003-2004 Mach 1 and the current Boss 302 ... Shelby of course with the current GT500 and the limited GT500H, GT500KR and GT350. Also, Ford has really been going after the aftermarket upgrade market in recent years, I seriously doubt that Ford is seriously condisdering such a radical departrure from the current Mustang design to a Genesis knock-off.

Ford tried killing off the Mustang twice already, fortunatly the revolt amongst the huge Mustang fan base was big enough for Ford to listen and I'm pretty sure they're not regretting that decision. Mustang still has many, many, many young buyers but they're buying older used models because they can't afford the newer GTs let alone Shelbys. My 2004 GT had a sticker price of $35000 CDN compared to almost $50000 CDN for a 2012 GT, the Shelbys are pushing $70000 CDN and with them going to 650hp next year, I'm sure they'll hit the $70000 CDN mark. And to be honest, buying a used 99-04 New Edge or even an early (05-08) S197 and dropping a new 5.0L Coyote crate engine from Ford would be cheaper than buying a new GT.

Ford has a huge and very loyal customer base with the Mustang and while I do agree that the retro look may have reached its peek I'm very sure that Ford will end up loosing more Mustang buyers by launching such a ridiculous design as opposed to keeping the Mustang a Mustang.



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User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7521 posts, RR: 23
Reply 18, posted (2 years 5 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 7599 times:

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 17):
My 2004 GT had a sticker price of $35000 CDN compared to almost $50000 CDN for a 2012 GT

Your GT must've had a lot of options and extras. According to Ford's website, the starting price of the 2013 GT is $30,300.

http://www.ford.com/cars/mustang/models/

[Edited 2012-04-18 10:37:09]


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User currently offlineACDC8 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 7642 posts, RR: 35
Reply 19, posted (2 years 5 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 7584 times:

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 18):
Your GT must've had a lot of options and extras. According to Ford's website, the starting price of the 2013 GT is $30,300.

My price is in CDN dollars, my 04 GT Vert (automatic unfortunatly) came in at just over $35000 CDN new, a comparable model now is at $48000 CDN and thats not even adding more newer options. So for $48000 CDN I can buy a new GT or get a used 08 GT500 for $6-$8000 less and that is where the younger buyers are going.

Also, I've never purchased a car in the US so I can only speak for the Canadian marketplace, but unless you're buying online, finding a base model at a dealership will be very difficult, they're almost always ordered with various packages and upgrades.

[Edited 2012-04-18 11:02:37]


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User currently offlinetype-rated From United States of America, joined exactly 15 years ago today! , 5035 posts, RR: 19
Reply 20, posted (2 years 5 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 7578 times:

How many 21 year old do you know that can afford a $38,000 car?


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User currently offlineslider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6814 posts, RR: 34
Reply 21, posted (2 years 5 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 7543 times:

At first glance, it made me think Aston-Martin....

Personally, I've never been a fan of Mustangs in general so don't care what they do with it.


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26493 posts, RR: 75
Reply 22, posted (2 years 5 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 7520 times:

One thing it needs to keep - the beautiful sounds of true dual exhaust.

Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter):
Ford has found that the average age of a Mustang buyer is now 51 years old, which is NOT a demographic that Ford wants for its youth-oriented musclecar.

Then they need to cut the price. In half.

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 2):
t looks like utter CRAP.

I imagine it will get sharpened up a bit. It looks part Aston, part Jag - two nameplates Ford owned until very recently.

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 2):
The current Mustang is freaking great-looking. I was much impressed when they brought that out a few years ago.

Totally. I've actually liked the looks since the big redesign in 1994. They were ugly as sin between that and the Mach 1/Boss 302 era.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 7):
The Probe has a hardcore group of followers. I used to work with a guy that always bragged about his Probe.

The Probe was an utter pile of crap.

Quoting Mir (Reply 10):

LOL

Quoting Superfly (Reply 11):
I just remember his last day at work was when he posted photos of his Probe at his cubicle. Never seen the guy since.

Once again:

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 15):
After a 20+ year absence, a 4-cylinder engine will return for the Mustang as a standard engine for the base model.

Yeah, that should be illegal.

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 15):
Also, the solid rear-axle (which was originally planned to be dropped in the 2005 redesign but kept due to production costs) will be ditched as well.

Thank goodness. This is a change I like.

Quoting type-rated (Reply 20):

How many 21 year old do you know that can afford a $38,000 car?

Exactly. Young people simply can't afford cars at these prices. Its unsurprising their average age has crept up.



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User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7521 posts, RR: 23
Reply 23, posted (2 years 5 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 7506 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 22):
Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 15):
After a 20+ year absence, a 4-cylinder engine will return for the Mustang as a standard engine for the base model.

Yeah, that should be illegal.

Again, blame CAFE for that.

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 19):
My price is in CDN dollars

Oops, my bad. Nonetheless, I wasn't aware there was that much of a difference between CDN vs. USD then and now.

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 19):
unless you're buying online, finding a base model at a dealership will be very difficult, they're almost always ordered with various packages and upgrades.

Every now and then, one might find a base model without all the toys in the lot as a price leader; but, I agree finding a lesser-equipped one can take some time or may warrant a factory order.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 22):
One thing it needs to keep - the beautiful sounds of true dual exhaust.

Given that all Mustangs since 2011 have duals; my guess is that duals will continue for at least the V6 and V8 models.

Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter):
Ford has found that the average age of a Mustang buyer is now 51 years old, which is NOT a demographic that Ford wants for its youth-oriented musclecar.

What age bracket exactly is Ford defining as a youth-oriented market? They had to have known that the average age of a new Mustang would go up because of its higher price not to mention that there's been a little thing out there for the last few years called a Recession. That's likely to turn buyers (younger ones in particular) away from purchasing new vehicles period.



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26493 posts, RR: 75
Reply 24, posted (2 years 5 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 7489 times:

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 23):
Again, blame CAFE for that.

No. I blame Ford's inability to innovate. That's especially true if they can't average out a lower volume car like this.

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 23):
Oops, my bad. Nonetheless, I wasn't aware there was that much of a difference between CDN vs. USD then and now.

There isn't. Car companies rip off Canadians. That's the problem.



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User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7521 posts, RR: 23
Reply 25, posted (2 years 5 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 7528 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 24):
Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 23):
Again, blame CAFE for that.

No. I blame Ford's inability to innovate. That's especially true if they can't average out a lower volume car like this.

That's just it; the Mustang's not, never was, nor intended to be a low-volume car; aside from a couple of isolated package models.

EPA ratings for V6 2013 Mustang are as follows:

Automatic (fastback model): 19 city/31 highway/23 combined
Automatic (convertible model): 19 city/30 highway/23 combined
Manual: 19 city/29 highway/22 combined

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Power...ake=Ford&model=Mustang&srchtyp=ymm

CAFE Passenger Car Figure for the 2013 model year: 33.3 mpg.

Since either the combined rating or an city/highway average for a particular model is what's factored in the CAFE equation for each vehicle sold; one can clearly see that even a V6-powered Mustang falls short of the CAFE figure. That's why the 4-banger is returning on the base (rental car-like) models.

Since you're so quick to jump down on Ford's inability to innovate; name me one gasoline-powered V6-engined car that averages 33 mpg.



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User currently offlineMD11junkie From Argentina, joined May 2005, 3148 posts, RR: 57
Reply 26, posted (2 years 5 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 7529 times:

OK. Ford, if this is their final call will be blowing off all the Muscle Car funness.  


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User currently offlinezippyjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 5478 posts, RR: 12
Reply 27, posted (2 years 5 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 7556 times:

Quoting casinterest (Reply 16):
ased on that picture, they are going after 60+ year olds.
That car looks like a Cadillac on steroids.

As mentioned 51 is the new 21 or at least 31. Not to dis today's youth but such cultural crap as Maroon 5 and reality TV is shall we say anything but sophisticated. That design to appeal to Europeans is like trying to shove men's soccer down our throat. We are not France, Italy or Spain. If I were Ford, I'd appeal to the Chinese and try to sell the current generation stang to them. A step up from those fugly blob Buicks. The Mustang is an American icon. Keep it that way. Ford has enough models to suit the globalist Fiat SUV, Crossover buyers. Call the above design Probe II or better yet call it the Ford Soccer for all those male soccer fanatics. They will buy them like hotcakes.



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User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12556 posts, RR: 25
Reply 28, posted (2 years 5 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 7547 times:

The car is OK, but Ford's crazy to stick the Mustang name on it.
It ain't a Mustang, so call it something else, for f'sake.



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26493 posts, RR: 75
Reply 29, posted (2 years 5 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 7530 times:

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 25):
That's just it; the Mustang's not, never was, nor intended to be a low-volume car; aside from a couple of isolated package models.

Yet it has become one, largely because of an inflating price and changing tastes.



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User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8538 posts, RR: 2
Reply 30, posted (2 years 5 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 7511 times:

Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter):
Ford has found that the average age of a Mustang buyer is now 51 years old, which is NOT a demographic that Ford wants for its youth-oriented musclecar.

LOFL.

Yup, there are so few people 55+, and they have so little money. Just no opportunities there. Definitely urban, young people have all the money. And they are totally into Mustangs.     


User currently offlineALTF4 From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 1212 posts, RR: 4
Reply 31, posted (2 years 5 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 7515 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 1):
These kids now-a-days have no appreciation for cars anyway. Our young boys are being taught poetry and trained to talk about his emotions and our young girls are encouraged to join the football team. Anything that is considered masculine is shunned and people are supposed to aspire to want a bus pass.
So it's no wonder that things that were traditionally considered 'fun' such as fast cars are not selling well with the younger crowd.
People are living longer now so having 51 years old as your average age of customer isn't as bad as it was 30 years ago.
That said, I'm not happy with the new styling.

Ok, I'll bite.

While I wasn't government educated and never had to participate in female's activities, I wasn't a football player either. Frankly, though, I don't see a reason to get a fast car. 90% of my driving is in rush hour, so I'd prefer something comfortable instead. I got a brand new, decked out accord. I know you probably just spit your coffee out  . I just needed something to get me from A to B comfortably without any fuss with over the top maintenance or major repairs. Oh, and I'm sure I fall in the category of 'kid' (I still think I do, so I'm not offended) at 22. I would have gotten a BMW 5 series, except the insurance would have been four times of what it costs me now. No thanks.

I had to laugh, though - a middle-aged gentlemen in a college class a while ago made a broad sweeping motion and said all of "them" don't plan for the future and that we are, in a word, stupid. It was a room full of college students. He said none of us were planning ahead and in a constant "me, me, me" state of mind.

I agreed with him, for the most part, but also was a little miffed that nobody gives credit to the few who do take care of themselves and plan for the future. I asked him what his stock portfolio looked like when he was 22, and he said it didn't exist, so I told him to politely shut the hell up because he had no right to be talking like that if he wasn't putting away $25k a year when he was my age.

Quoting type-rated (Reply 20):
How many 21 year old do you know that can afford a $38,000 car?

This one. Well, I'm 22, but a few months ago at 21 could have easily bought a brand new 5 series BMW. Funny enough, everything SuperFly said is true, except that I think he is focusing on the masculinity part too much. Kids these days are taught to be average and that they will be given what they need. Thankfully my education taught me differently - to go get what I need and take initiative and most of all, be prepared.

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 27):
As mentioned 51 is the new 21 or at least 31. Not to dis today's youth but such cultural crap as Maroon 5 and reality TV is shall we say anything but sophisticated.

And that is true, but I would focus your disgust on the "me" culture and the race to the bottom where anybody 'smart' is regarded as worse than the average kid. Not to mention the babying and the thought that whatever you need will be handed to you on a golden platter.

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And no, I don't come from extraordinarily wealthy parents, nor did I have rich grandparents that paid for some fancy schools.



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User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8538 posts, RR: 2
Reply 32, posted (2 years 5 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 7491 times:

Quoting ALTF4 (Reply 31):
This one. Well, I'm 22, but a few months ago at 21 could have easily bought a brand new 5 series BMW.

Right, but some of us don't have the pliable 21 year old bodies that bring such a pretty penny. Or, is there a "job" 22 year olds do for six figure incomes? Interested.


User currently offlinetype-rated From United States of America, joined exactly 15 years ago today! , 5035 posts, RR: 19
Reply 33, posted (2 years 5 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 7461 times:

Quoting ALTF4 (Reply 31):
This one. Well, I'm 22, but a few months ago at 21 could have easily bought a brand new 5 series BMW.


Daddy's money? Most 21 years olds are still in college or saving to buy their own furniture, housing, and bling, etc. Some parents would give their last penny to their kids if they knew it would make them happy. Then there are the student loans that usually have to be repaid.



[Edited 2012-04-18 16:42:05]


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User currently offlinedl021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11447 posts, RR: 75
Reply 34, posted (2 years 5 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 7435 times:
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Ford thought to replace the Mustang with the Probe...failed. They modernized it to save fuel with the Mustang II...failed....

They need to really think this through. If they want to market this to younger people they need to offer a low cost performance model, or just keep it a premium performance unit and keep selling them to folks between thirty and sixty five...

I'd love to see a twenty five thousand dollar, well equipped unit. Just don't see it happening.

Design by committee will kill this model of they ain't careful



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User currently offlinePolot From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 2187 posts, RR: 1
Reply 35, posted (2 years 5 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 7437 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 29):
Yet it has become one, largely because of an inflating price and changing tastes.

While sales are not what they once were it still is hardly a low volume car. They sold a little over 70,000 of them last year (57th best selling car), more than the Fiesta for example, which is hardly anything to sneeze at. You also have to consider that they now have competition with the Camaro, which sold a little over 88,000 cars, and the Challenger, which had slightly less than 40,000 sales, and you can still see the market segment is an important one.

Quoting dl021 (Reply 34):
They modernized it to save fuel with the Mustang II...failed....

While the Mustang II is looked backed by Mustang enthusiasts as a failure, at the time it was a sales success.

[Edited 2012-04-18 17:03:17]

[Edited 2012-04-18 17:05:47]

User currently offlineakiss20 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 609 posts, RR: 5
Reply 36, posted (2 years 5 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 7425 times:

Quoting Flighty (Reply 32):
Quoting ALTF4 (Reply 31):
This one. Well, I'm 22, but a few months ago at 21 could have easily bought a brand new 5 series BMW.

Right, but some of us don't have the pliable 21 year old bodies that bring such a pretty penny. Or, is there a "job" 22 year olds do for six figure incomes? Interested.

Finance for one. Around 40% of people from my university (MIT) end up in finance for some amount of time because they just can't pass up the money. Averaging starting salary for engineers with a BS out of here is around 65-70K. Kids going into finance often and easily make in the 6 figures, according to our 2011 graduation survey, the largest salary for people entering finance or management was $200,000



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User currently offlineikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21529 posts, RR: 59
Reply 37, posted (2 years 5 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 7423 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 1):
These kids now-a-days have no appreciation for cars anyway.

Tell me about it. They buy cars because rapping hamsters tell them to...

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 2):
It looks like utter CRAP.

Doesn't look like a Mustang.

Quoting slider (Reply 21):
At first glance, it made me think Aston-Martin....

I thought it was the Jaguar copy-cat look of the AM. Maybe Ford misses Jaguar?

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 15):
After a 20+ year absence, a 4-cylinder engine will return for the Mustang as a standard engine for the base model.

Manufactured Energy crisis, take 2

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 25):
Since you're so quick to jump down on Ford's inability to innovate; name me one gasoline-powered V6-engined car that averages 33 mpg.

That's not how CAFE is calculated anyway. The mustang, much like the Corvette, has about CAFE average economy. This is because the CAFE # is inflated.



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User currently offlinePolot From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 2187 posts, RR: 1
Reply 38, posted (2 years 5 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 7417 times:

Quoting ikramerica (Reply 37):
That's not how CAFE is calculated anyway. The mustang, much like the Corvette, has about CAFE average economy. This is because the CAFE # is inflated.

It also should be noted that the CAFE fuel economy standards are different from the ones you see on the label anyways; they are not adjusted for real world conditions (in other words a car is more fuel efficient in terms of CAFE than what appears on the fuel economy label of the car when you try to buy it).


User currently offlineDerico From Argentina, joined Dec 1999, 4304 posts, RR: 11
Reply 39, posted (2 years 5 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 7409 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 1):
These kids now-a-days have no appreciation for cars anyway.

Actually I don't appreciate cars because they are the worst investment you can make with your money. Would you invest in a stock that loses 15% the instant you press "buy"? And then never do anything buy drop in value?? And some of my friends think like me. So there are many reasons the new generations are not that into cars (not confuse with not being interested about cars, I still like talking about them and the design and specs).

Gasoline being 4 to 5 time more expensive for us "21" generation compared to your time doens't help either.

No thanks. I love how they look (like a good diamond), and talking about them, but have no use for losng so much money. I'm ok with a little compact.



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User currently offlinegreasespot From Canada, joined Apr 2004, 3084 posts, RR: 20
Reply 40, posted (2 years 5 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 7408 times:

Appears that I am in the minority. I Love the look of the new Mustang.

gs



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39884 posts, RR: 74
Reply 41, posted (2 years 5 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 7354 times:

Quoting type-rated (Reply 20):
How many 21 year old do you know that can afford a $38,000 car?

That's the price for the GT convertible with every feature. The base V6 hardtop is still about $20,000.

Quoting Derico (Reply 39):
Actually I don't appreciate cars because they are the worst investment

Cars aren't and "investment", they are a liability.

Quoting ALTF4 (Reply 31):
I got a brand new, decked out accord. I know you probably just spit your coffee out

No, there is nothing wrong with that. It is made in the USA after all and is UAW approved.

Quoting ALTF4 (Reply 31):
I had to laugh, though - a middle-aged gentlemen in a college class a while ago made a broad sweeping motion and said all of "them" don't plan for the future and that we are, in a word, stupid. It was a room full of college students. He said none of us were planning ahead and in a constant "me, me, me" state of mind.

Sounds like he was speaking about his own mistakes. Lecturing to others is his form of therapy.


Quoting ALTF4 (Reply 31):
Funny enough, everything SuperFly said is true, except that I think he is focusing on the masculinity part too much.

Mainly because the Mustang along with other fast cars is a masculine interest which is frowned upon by today's so called educators. Hence why the average age of the Mustang is oldest it's ever been.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 22):
The Probe was an utter pile of crap.

Not sure if innuendo or just regular conversation

I'm sure his Probe has seen a lot of crap.
Those broke down a lot.



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User currently offlinestasisLAX From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3283 posts, RR: 6
Reply 42, posted (2 years 5 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 7339 times:

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 15):
From what I've read, the new Mustang model is scheduled to be launched on April 17, 2014 (50 years from the date the original Mustang was launched) as either a 2014-1/2 or 2015 model. The 2014 model that will be launched a year from now will essentially be a carry-over of the current generation.

No official word yet from Ford Motor, but a 2014 1/2 Mustang model would be the perfect 50th anniversary designation.

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 23):
What age bracket exactly is Ford defining as a youth-oriented market? They had to have known that the average age of a new Mustang would go up because of its higher price not to mention that there's been a little thing out there for the last few years called a Recession. That's likely to turn buyers (younger ones in particular) away from purchasing new vehicles period.

Here's the problem with young buyers - more and more under 18-21 year old Americans DON'T even have a drivers license. They communicate through social media more than driving to a friend's place, or a bar, or whatever. Approximately 80 percent of 18-21 year old Americans have a driver's license now, down from a 95+ percentile licensing rate 15 or 20 years ago. Not all young folks today WANT to drive - it's too expensive, it can be seen as bad for the environment, and well, there's social media! Also, young people for the past 10-15 years are saddled with huge amount of higher education DEBT - thus killing off their new-car buying power. Sad, but very true. My niece and nephew are both in their mid-twenties and are in this EXACT situation, paying for college loans and (my nephew) driving a 10 year old Jeep. My niece lives near Washington and uses the Metro everyday - she can't afford apartment rent, student loans, work clothes, and a car payment as a new college grad.

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 25):
That's just it; the Mustang's not, never was, nor intended to be a low-volume car; aside from a couple of isolated package models.

Mustang only sold 70,000 units last model year, about 1/2 of what Ford sold 4 or 5 years ago - and a large percentage of those 70,000 Mustangs sold went to major car rental fleets as convertibles. Yes, the economy has had a negative effect on sales - but Ford now has strong competition from Camaro, Challenger, Genesis coupe, Veloster Turbo, et al.

Quoting dl021 (Reply 34):
They modernized it to save fuel with the Mustang II...failed....

One thing to keep in mind - the Mustang II sold over 385,000 units in 1974, versus 135,000 units of the old mid-sized Mustang in 1973. Keep in mind that the original blockbuster Mustang sold 419,000 units in 1964. The Mustang II may be the all-time "bastard" Mustang, but Ford made a crapload of money off of every one of those Pinto-based 'Stangs.



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39884 posts, RR: 74
Reply 43, posted (2 years 5 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 7333 times:

Quoting stasisLAX (Reply 42):
it can be seen as bad for the environment

more and more under 18-21 year old Americans DON'T even have a drivers license.

Which is precisely what I was saying in my first reply. A lot of it is conditioning.



Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlineNewark727 From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 1359 posts, RR: 0
Reply 44, posted (2 years 5 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 7317 times:

That doesn't look like a Mustang anymore. That doesn't look like... much of anything, honestly. I appreciate the move to make the Mustang a bit wider in its appeal but there's a point where styling a car to pitch it at a world market just makes it look bland. Even the Mustangs from the nineties, some of which were pretty darn forgettable from outside, had a bit more character, a bit more to set them off as a certain type of product.

Quoting ikramerica (Reply 37):

Tell me about it. They buy cars because rapping hamsters tell them to...

Hey watch it. I am a member of the demographic of which you speak, and I can personally attest that I do not accept rapping hamsters as legitimate automotive spokesanimals. It's dogs driving Subarus or nothing for me.


User currently offlinezippyjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 5478 posts, RR: 12
Reply 45, posted (2 years 5 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 7316 times:

The proposed design has a horrid grille! It's the "Anti-Mustang." Why does everything have to look like a Fiat blob or putrid SUV/Crossovers that feature rapping crapper hamsters? Maybe deep down Ford has a death wish for the venerable nameplate. As demonstrated by the Lincoln division everything is becoming a blob and features generic alphabet and Sessame Street designations. Even the Probe looks better than that football shaped pygmy hippo on wheels.

This car appeals to the "Bieber/Maroon 5/Metro-sexual/European Male soccer fanatics." They can take their blob and drive it where the sun don't shine.

Regarding the Mustang II. It's a shame the era of 5 speed manual trannies and fuel injection was several years off. The Stang II with fuel injection and more advanced gear boxes both auto and manual would have worked. And putting that II by the name was a mistake.

However this is my own unique opinion but, I never liked the 71-73 Mustangs. The car got bloated while the interior stayed cramped. Ford really f'd up those tail lights.
FYI my ratings of Mustang generations from first to worse. (based on looks besides driving)
1. 1967-1968
2.. Retro Stang
3. 1964and a half 1966
4. 1969-1970
5. Mustang II
6. 1990's-Chick's car (Corvette imitation dash)
Tie for 7 1971-1973 bloated boat and Ford Fairstang (Dash even was the same as the Fairmont). Should have been totally restyled in model year 1984 and a half for 20 year anniversary. And not as a Ford Probe!

Not that it matters but, at least Ford is retaining the Taurus name.

[Edited 2012-04-18 20:26:46]


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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39884 posts, RR: 74
Reply 46, posted (2 years 5 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 7286 times:

I happen to like the Mustang II.
The Ghia's were gorgeous.

http://www.mustangii.net/images/ghia/silver_ghia.jpg

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 45):
The proposed design has a horrid grille! It's the "Anti-Mustang."

This new design would be the ugliest Mustang ever IF they put the Mustang badge on it.
This should be the new Probe.

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 45):
FYI my ratings of Mustang generations from first to worse. (based on looks besides driving)

I do like the first generation Mustangs but I would much prefer the Mercury Cougar XR-7 instead.
It's the same car as the Mustang but with extra features and styling.








My favourite Mustang would be the 1983 Mustang convertible.
It was the last year you could get plaid seats and an 8track player.
I also like the front grille that year. It looked like a K-car grille.
The 1983 Mustang had Chrysler K-car styling with Ford V8 performance and reliability. What more could one possibly ask for?
Absolutely gorgeous!
I'd like to have this in puke yellow with plaid yellow, brown & white interior, black convertible top with 8track player, swap out the 302cu" for the 351cu" (same block) but keep the wire wheel covers and white-wall tires. That would be a real sleeper.
http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj96/Rush8track/1983-Ford-Mustang-Convertible-02-800.jpg


1980 models were sexy too....



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User currently offlinezippyjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 5478 posts, RR: 12
Reply 47, posted (2 years 5 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 7267 times:

http://themustangsource.com/timeline/74-78/74/Ghia2.jpg

I really liked the 1974 Mustang II Ghia. Though looking back, the Opera Window 1975-1978 Ghia's are growing on me the 1974 combined the Ghia luxury with the heritage of the original Mustangs. I wish Ford would have produced both versions in model years 1975-1978. The '74 could have been badged the Ghia Sport and the Opera Window version could have been badged/marketed as the Mustang II Ghia Mark I or luxury edition.



The interior of the Ghia looked like a mini Thunderbird's. As I said, the Mustang II could have really worked had the engines been fuel injected and five speed sticks available.
http://www.mustangii.org/gallery/RandyClark/74Mustang.JPG
This custom Mustang II convertible looks hot even by today's standards.



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39884 posts, RR: 74
Reply 48, posted (2 years 5 months 2 days ago) and read 7238 times:

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 47):
I really liked the 1974 Mustang II Ghia. Though looking back, the Opera Window 1975-1978 Ghia's are growing on me the 1974 combined the Ghia luxury with the heritage of the original Mustangs. I wish Ford would have produced both versions in model years 1975-1978. The '74 could have been badged the Ghia Sport and the Opera Window version could have been badged/marketed as the Mustang II Ghia Mark I or luxury edition.

They could have called it the Luxury Decord Group, Gran Mustang or Landau.

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 47):
The interior of the Ghia looked like a mini Thunderbird's. As I said, the Mustang II could have really worked had the engines been fuel injected and five speed sticks available.

  
I've always been saying mini-Mark IV but yes, you are correct.
That is such a beautiful and highly detailed interior.  

I am really sad that I can't join KevinL1011 this coming Saturday for the Fabulous Fords show at Knott's Berry's Farm. I'm still tied up here in Bangkok...
I attended in 2010 and I got a kick out of the Pinto and Mustang II fans the most.
They were for more interesting than the 1964.5 - 1973 and 1979 to current Mustang owners.
The Pinto and Mustang II collectors were really whacky, but in a good way! So were the Torino guys.  
They really got in to their cars and went through the trouble of having stage props next to their vehicles of various time specific artifacts from that era. One guy was even dressed like John Travolta. You could tell that they had a self-awareness that they have a hobby of something most people don't like but made their car's displays much more interesting. Kind of like the marketing for these cars when they were new. Looking back, the brochures and sales literature for the Pinto, Mustang II as well as their competitors are GM, Chrysler and AMC were far more exciting, captures the spirit of the time and sometimes totally far out compared to the advertisements for the highly collectable cars such as the Mustang Boss, Mach 1, Oldsmobile 442, Rebel and Charger.

Zippyjet, I wish you were around for this thread;

Fabulous Fords Forever - A.net Car Show Meet. (by kevinl1011 Apr 17 2010 in Non Aviation)#1



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User currently offlineairtrainer From Belgium, joined Aug 2003, 1558 posts, RR: 12
Reply 49, posted (2 years 5 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 7228 times:

I wish this thread was posted earlier this month for an april fool... What a disappointing design for a Mustang 


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User currently offlineSmittyOne From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 50, posted (2 years 5 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 7221 times:

Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter):
Ford has found that the average age of a Mustang buyer is now 51 years old

Big surprise...who else would have a mullet and money?


User currently offlineALTF4 From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 1212 posts, RR: 4
Reply 51, posted (2 years 5 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 7198 times:

Quoting Flighty (Reply 32):
Or, is there a "job" 22 year olds do for six figure incomes? Interested.

Yep. I work for a fortune 50 company. The job I took was previously held by a mid-40's guy with a family, an Audi A4, and a $500,000 home. I proved a could do the job with little experience and actually they like me more than the guy before who left for another job.

Quoting type-rated (Reply 33):
Daddy's money? Most 21 years olds are still in college or saving to buy their own furniture, housing, and bling, etc. Some parents would give their last penny to their kids if they knew it would make them happy. Then there are the student loans that usually have to be repaid.

Daddy ain't got much money in this case - he's not a big name lawyer or a doctor or anything like that, just has a standard job. I'm still in college. I'm making six figures. It's not hard, if you have any sort of determination in life. The key is determination when you're young - I've been preparing for this since I was 13 or 14. Most kids are playing video games.

I don't have student loans because I didn't spend thousands to go to a school that is known for their football program. That is one of the most retarded things to do. I went to a local school that offered cheap in-state tuition and kept my grades up so I kept scholarships.



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39884 posts, RR: 74
Reply 52, posted (2 years 5 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 7172 times:

Too many people here are focusing on the cost of the more expensive models; ie the GT convertible and Cobra.
You can still get a base 6-cylinder hardtop convertible for the same price as all other cars that sell well among those under 30 years old. It also gets good mileage too. The base Mustang cost about the same as a Honda Civic and those funny looking Scions.
My suspicion as to why it's not selling well among the younger people is for reasons I noted above.



Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7521 posts, RR: 23
Reply 53, posted (2 years 5 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 7119 times:

Quoting Polot (Reply 38):
Quoting ikramerica (Reply 37):
That's not how CAFE is calculated anyway. The mustang, much like the Corvette, has about CAFE average economy. This is because the CAFE # is inflated.

It also should be noted that the CAFE fuel economy standards are different from the ones you see on the label anyways; they are not adjusted for real world conditions (in other words a car is more fuel efficient in terms of CAFE than what appears on the fuel economy label of the car when you try to buy it).

That wasn't always the case. When CAFE was first established in the mid-70s, its figures and the combined/average EPA city/highway ratings were either the same or closer together.

The 2010 Fusion Hybrid's EPA 41 city/36 highway rating was no accident; Ford was clearly gunning to exceed the 2016 CAFE figure of 35.5 mpg as a means to give some breathing room for any fleet average drawdowns triggered from either Mustang and Taurus sales.

When the EPA changed its rating system for the 2008 model year (which triggered lower rating across the board); I was one of the first ones on here to comment that if CAFE wasn't simultaneously altered to reflect the new EPA ratings, there would either be more confusion or an increased notion that CAFE figures are not realistic. Search the old threads on this subject for proof.

Nonetheless, using the old EPA ratings system (which is a least closer to a CAFE figure); a new 2013 Mustang V6 average fuel economy still falls short of the 33.3 mpg figure. While it certainly won't trigger a gas guzzler tax, all new Mustangs sold, at the moment, will bring down Ford's overall fleet average for its cars.

BTW, even when the CAFE figure was still 27.5 mpg (through 2010); a Corvette (since you brought it up) would've still fallen short of the figure.

Quoting ikramerica (Reply 37):
Manufactured Energy crisis, take 2

More like Take 3 when one considers 1973-1974 & 1979-1980.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 43):
Quoting stasisLAX (Reply 42):
it can be seen as bad for the environment

more and more under 18-21 year old Americans DON'T even have a drivers license.

Which is precisely what I was saying in my first reply. A lot of it is conditioning.

More like inductronation and/or social engineering, but that's another topic for another thread.

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 45):
Regarding the Mustang II. It's a shame the era of 5 speed manual trannies and fuel injection was several years off. The Stang II with fuel injection and more advanced gear boxes both auto and manual would have worked. And putting that II by the name was a mistake.

Not in the eyes of Mustang enthusiasts at the time. While the '74 Mustang II was a huge sales success (courtesy of the coincidental timing of its release with respect to rising gas prices and long lines at the pumps and capturing Motor Trend's COTY for 1974); most Mustang purists, at the time, wanted nothing to do the Pinto-based car. Not to mention that the car's popularity started to wane rather quickly following its first year. Even Charlie's Angels couldn't save the Mustang II from extinction (all the Angels drove Mustang IIs). Many owners also complained that the car was simply too small; the first-year euphoria quickly wore off.

In some respects, James Telnack took a greater risk in not applying the III suffix badge onto the Fox-based 1979 Mustang; which was actually larger though lighter than its '78 predecessor.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 46):
I do like the first generation Mustangs but I would much prefer the Mercury Cougar XR-7 instead.
It's the same car as the Mustang but with extra features and styling.

The Cougar was actually a little longer than the Mustang. The '67 Cougar had a 111" wheelbase vs. the '67 Mustang's wheelbase of 108".

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 45):
Ford Fairstang (Dash even was the same as the Fairmont). Should have been totally restyled in model year 1984 and a half for 20 year anniversary. And not as a Ford Probe!

IIRC, Ford first started planning and designing the Probe (then Mustang-successor) during the early 80s. Since car redesigns were getting more expensive to do on a frequent basis; Ford decided to go with a modest-facelift for the '83 models. The '87 models would get a much more extensive revamp (including a new dashboard & console) but kept the same basic shape.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 41):
The base V6 hardtop is still about $20,000.

The base sticker price for a 2013 V6 ragtop is $27,200; $22,200 for the base V6 fastback. The V6 ragtop's been stickered in the mid-20s for quite a few years. The only difference between now vs. a few years ago is that many of the V6 ragtops on the lot are now equipped with a lot of options so that the sticker price is now over $30,000. The Mustang Premium-Package V6 ragtop now starts at $31,200.

The upshoot, a similarly-equipped 2013 Mustang Pony Package (which uses the Premium Package as a starting point) ragtop is about $5000 more than what my 2007 Mustang Pony-Packaged ragtop went for.



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26493 posts, RR: 75
Reply 54, posted (2 years 5 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 7099 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 46):

Why am I not surprised  
Quoting Superfly (Reply 46):
I happen to like the Mustang II.

Only you (and apparently Zippyjet) liked those cars.



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39884 posts, RR: 74
Reply 55, posted (2 years 5 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 7095 times:

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 53):
$22,200 for the base V6 fastback.

So I was off by about $2000 and it's still in the price range as all other car buyers in the under 30 crowd.



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User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12556 posts, RR: 25
Reply 56, posted (2 years 5 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 7091 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 41):
Mainly because the Mustang along with other fast cars is a masculine interest which is frowned upon by today's so called educators.

So you really think a teacher has much ability to curb the libido of a teenage boy?

Seems many these days are enhancing it by sleeping with them!  



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39884 posts, RR: 74
Reply 57, posted (2 years 5 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 7075 times:

Quoting Revelation (Reply 56):
So you really think a teacher has much ability to curb the libido of a teenage boy?

They can't curb their libido but they can condition them in to believing nonsense about global warming and hating cars - especially American cars. I was already in college when this hysteria all started and I remember watching several films, required to read several books and listen to professors relentless bashing of American car manufactures - especially General Motors. It's worse now for kids in K-12 public schools. I have a friend who's son turned 16 several years ago and I remember his son saying he wasn't interested in getting his drivers license because cars leave a carbon footprint. It was as if he was talking a foreign language.


I think a lot of schools have done away with drivers education and drivers training. My high school had 4 drivers training cars. When I started, they had 4 Ford Falcons (1967-1970 models) and this was in 1987. They replaced them in 1989 with 4 brand new Ford Taurus.
Drivers ed was required to graduate. I'm sure now it's been replaced by something silly like poetry reading or expressing your emotions courses.

Quoting Revelation (Reply 56):
Seems many these days are enhancing it by sleeping with them!  

Haha! Where were those teachers when I was in high school?



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User currently onlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7376 posts, RR: 5
Reply 58, posted (2 years 5 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 7066 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 52):
The base Mustang cost about the same as a Honda Civic and those funny looking Scions.
My suspicion as to why it's not selling well among the younger people is for reasons I noted above.

Once you start adding essentials like floor mats, bigger alloys, stripes, recaros, the price goes up pretty quickly, I just build one with minimum options, price ended up at 27k, the mileage also sucks, it might look good to you considering the whale you drive, but it's far worse than a Civic, it's also a lot bigger than a Civic, I bet it's also more expensive to insure than a Civic or Scion.


User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12556 posts, RR: 25
Reply 59, posted (2 years 5 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 7050 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 57):
They can't curb their libido but they can condition them in to believing nonsense about global warming and hating cars - especially American cars.

Interesting that many of my generation developed a preference for non-American cars without global warming.

On the low end, we disliked the Pinto and the Vega and liked the Beetle and the small Datsuns and Toyotas.

Next step up, most of us lusted after the Datsun Z cars and the Celica Supras, although there certainly were fans of the Camaro and Firebird too, although the general feeling was the Camaro and Firebird didn't handle very well and had cheap build quality, and were typically either chick cars or bought by disco boys who wanted to show off to the girls.



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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15744 posts, RR: 27
Reply 60, posted (2 years 5 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 7052 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 46):
Quoting zippyjet (Reply 47):

Those old "Mustangs" make the Probe look good.

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 58):
, it might look good to you considering the whale you drive, but it's far worse than a Civic, it's also a lot bigger than a Civic, I bet it's also more expensive to insure than a Civic or Scion.

Of course, there's also the slight detail that driving a Civic or Scion (other than the FR-S) kinda sucks. I'm not a big muscle car guy, but a Mustang is way better than a front wheel drive ricer. Not that I'd spend over $30k for a Mustang, because that money buys a lot more car on the used market.



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39884 posts, RR: 74
Reply 61, posted (2 years 5 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 7037 times:

Quoting Revelation (Reply 59):
Next step up, most of us lusted after the Datsun Z cars and the Celica Supras, although there certainly were fans of the Camaro and Firebird too, although the general feeling was the Camaro and Firebird didn't handle very well and had cheap build quality, and were typically either chick cars or bought by disco boys who wanted to show off to the girls.

Where did you live back then? Where I grew up, the disco guys drove coupes like the Cutlass, Monte Carlo, Grand Prix Cordoba, Thunderbird and Matadors. The chicks drove those cars too but the Cougar and Regal was what a lot of the chicks drove. The Firebird was driven by the Lodies, metal-heads along with an Econoline conversion van with a ship painted on the side. The only person clueless enough to buy an import car in Gary, Indiana at that time was my father. He bought a '73 Corolla that was rusted inside & out by the late 70s. Didn't even make it to 1979.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 60):
Those old "Mustangs" make the Probe look good.

I need to put you in contact with my old co-worker.....

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 60):
Of course, there's also the slight detail that driving a Civic or Scion (other than the FR-S) kinda sucks.

  
        
Not sure what country the Kiwi "build" his car in but I'm sure it's in a country were cars are more expensive than in the United States.



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User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12556 posts, RR: 25
Reply 62, posted (2 years 5 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 7027 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 61):
Where did you live back then?

About two hours drive northwest of NYC in Central Connecticut.



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User currently onlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7376 posts, RR: 5
Reply 63, posted (2 years 5 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 7024 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 61):
Not sure what country the Kiwi "build" his car in but I'm sure it's in a country were cars are more expensive than in the United States.

The Ford.com website, which would be in the US. I wouldn't be driving a gas guzzler like a Mustang in Norway.


User currently offlineTheRedBaron From Mexico, joined Mar 2005, 2216 posts, RR: 8
Reply 64, posted (2 years 5 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 7007 times:

I hate Fords, so no matter what they do I hate them.

I have reason my last Ford lit itself on fire (after being parked for 2 months with no use) and caused great damage tony house. It took the Firemen more than 20 minutes to extinguish the fire.

3 Months ago a Souped up Mustang ( a Cobra or shelby whatever -see first paragraph) lit itself up brand new on the showroom not a hundred yards from my business, the fire engulfed 6 new cars, destroyed the said POC, and was luckily terminated by firemen before it went to the service area....

They should change the name from FORD to TORCH.

Best Regards

TRB /rant off



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User currently offlinetype-rated From United States of America, joined exactly 15 years ago today! , 5035 posts, RR: 19
Reply 65, posted (2 years 5 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 6974 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 54):
Quoting Superfly (Reply 46):
I happen to like the Mustang II.

Only you (and apparently Zippyjet) liked those cars.

While in college I took a marketing class where we studied the Mustang II, the car that almost ruined Ford. The problem was that it was expensive for what it was. Seems Ford was advertising a low price for the Mustang II but they were shipping mainly loaded cars to the dealerships with a price that came within Thunderbird territory. This went on for awhile until Ford realized that sales weren't taking off like they should have. Once they realized what the problem was they started shipping out more modestly optioned Mustang II's with price closer to what was being advertised and sales dramatically improved.



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User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8538 posts, RR: 2
Reply 66, posted (2 years 5 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 6978 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 57):
They can't curb their libido but they can condition them in to believing nonsense about global warming and hating cars - especially American cars.

Well they condition boys to believe masculine traits are bad, and female traits like attentiveness, sitting still, and social skills are more important. Then eventually people realize male traits can be very positive as well.


User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7521 posts, RR: 23
Reply 67, posted (2 years 5 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 6937 times:

Quoting type-rated (Reply 65):
While in college I took a marketing class where we studied the Mustang II, the car that almost ruined Ford. The problem was that it was expensive for what it was. Seems Ford was advertising a low price for the Mustang II but they were shipping mainly loaded cars to the dealerships with a price that came within Thunderbird territory. This went on for awhile until Ford realized that sales weren't taking off like they should have. Once they realized what the problem was they started shipping out more modestly optioned Mustang II's with price closer to what was being advertised and sales dramatically improved.

   Huh?

Sales figures for the '74-'78 Mustang II

1974: 385,993 (with no V8 engine available)
1975: 188,575
1976: 187,567
1977: 153,173
1978: 192,410 (robust sales years for all cars in general)

Source: http://www.themustangsource.com/timeline/74-78/

Click on the model year for more details.

Reality suggests that Mustang II sales (except for 1978) did the exact opposite: started off great but waned.

The only loaded models in the dealership scenario sounds more like what's happening today with the current Mustang rather than the Mustang II.



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User currently offlinePolot From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 2187 posts, RR: 1
Reply 68, posted (2 years 5 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 6908 times:

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 67):
Reality suggests that Mustang II sales (except for 1978) did the exact opposite: started off great but waned.

If you look at all the data (I plotted it in excel), that is basically true with all generations except through the 90s and around the turn of the century, where sales kind of jumped back and forth. It's a pretty common trend in car sales.


User currently offlineSmittyOne From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 69, posted (2 years 5 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 6886 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 57):
I have a friend who's son turned 16 several years ago and I remember his son saying he wasn't interested in getting his drivers license because cars leave a carbon footprint. It was as if he was talking a foreign language.


I think a lot of schools have done away with drivers education and drivers training. My high school had 4 drivers training cars. When I started, they had 4 Ford Falcons (1967-1970 models) and this was in 1987. They replaced them in 1989 with 4 brand new Ford Taurus.
Drivers ed was required to graduate. I'm sure now it's been replaced by something silly like poetry reading or expressing your emotions courses.

LOL, keep kidding yourself that automobiles don't have a serious negative impact on the environment. Which I think you are doing by making it sound like anyone who disagrees with your priorities must be by definition some kind of emo pussy. If you want to say that kids today are being brainwashed against the automobile in favor of junk-science environmentalism, you also have to admit that the automakers have their customers just as brainwashed to care as much as they do about the shiny metal box that gets them from A to B...to the point where they waste many thousands of dollars over the course of their lifetimes on shit that they absolutely do not need and pretty quickly grow tired of.

The ICE-powered automobile is our best bad option at this point, so that is what I drive to work but I give a thumbs up to people who can use public transportation etc. I used to care a lot more about the car I drove but kind of grew out of that once I realized that my dick is big enough - or more accurately was as big as it was going to get and adding horsepower or leather seating wasn't going to change that. I still like cars from a technical standpoint and I used to do most of my own mechanical stuff when I had a garage to work in.

Just think about how much time and money people waste on washing their cars constantly, Armor All and that 'black tire' spray crap. Where does that stuff come from? Where does it go? What is the point?

[Edited 2012-04-19 16:08:43]

User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39884 posts, RR: 74
Reply 70, posted (2 years 5 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 6842 times:

Quoting Revelation (Reply 62):
About two hours drive northwest of NYC in Central Connecticut.

Not to be knit-picky but Connecticut would be northeast of NYC.  
But I'm not surprised because the coastal areas, particularly areas with all of those pointy-headed intellectuals have been anti-domestic cars for a long time now.

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 63):
The Ford.com website

Everything is up for negotiation on the sales floor. Those prices aren't set in stone.

Quoting SmittyOne (Reply 69):
LOL, keep kidding yourself that automobiles don't have a serious negative impact on the environment. Which I think you a

There is one in every crowd.   

Quoting type-rated (Reply 65):
Seems Ford was advertising a low price for the Mustang II but they were shipping mainly loaded cars to the dealerships with a price that came within Thunderbird territory.

Look at the interior content in the photos above. Many of them were loaded like the Thunderbird of that era.

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 67):
Reality suggests that Mustang II sales (except for 1978) did the exact opposite: started off great but waned.

You think that the King Cobra available only for 1978 had something to do with this uptick in sales?



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User currently offlinekngkyle From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 404 posts, RR: 1
Reply 71, posted (2 years 5 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 6834 times:
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I like the front, but the back needs some work.

User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15744 posts, RR: 27
Reply 72, posted (2 years 5 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 6788 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 61):
I need to put you in contact with my old co-worker.....

They weren't bad compared to the Pinto, but those Mustangs really sucked.

Quoting TheRedBaron (Reply 64):
I have reason my last Ford lit itself on fire (after being parked for 2 months with no use) and caused great damage tony house. It took the Firemen more than 20 minutes to extinguish the fire.

3 Months ago a Souped up Mustang ( a Cobra or shelby whatever -see first paragraph) lit itself up brand new on the showroom not a hundred yards from my business, the fire engulfed 6 new cars, destroyed the said POC, and was luckily terminated by firemen before it went to the service area....

Just like a Ferrari!

Quoting SmittyOne (Reply 69):
LOL, keep kidding yourself that automobiles don't have a serious negative impact on the environment.

I don't care at all if it does or not.



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User currently offlinesccutler From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 5519 posts, RR: 28
Reply 73, posted (2 years 5 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 6791 times:

Say what you will about the Mustang's demographic draw - my 17-year-old son has been all adrool over Mustangs since he was about 8 years old.

If he makes his grades and keeps them into college, he may yet get lucky...



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User currently offlinezippyjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 5478 posts, RR: 12
Reply 74, posted (2 years 5 months 1 day ago) and read 6759 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 52):
You can still get a base 6-cylinder hardtop convertible for the same price as all other cars that sell well among those under 30 years old. It also gets good mileage too. The base Mustang cost about the same as a Honda Civic and those funny looking Scions.

If I were to buy a new Mustang with the 6 cylinder, I'd go with the stick shift. With the weight of the current stang, an automatic with a 6 would be sluggish. The trick to buying a new car is to have a basic idea what equipment you must have, would like to have and don't need. Many cars as others have mentioned come loaded from soup to nuts jacking up the price. However with today's technology and networks the dealer can get what you want through their massive networks.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 70):
here is one in every crowd.   

Quoting type-rated (Reply 65):
Seems Ford was advertising a low price for the Mustang II but they were shipping mainly loaded cars to the dealerships with a price that came within Thunderbird territory.

Look at the interior content in the photos above. Many of them were loaded like the Thunderbird of that era.

I remember back in '74 looking at Mustang II's on the dealer lots. Believe it or not half of them did not have factory A/C, most just had the AM radio and at least a third of them came with the stick shift 4 speed. My first car was a 1974 Mustang II Ghia with the 6 and A/C. It wasn't a bad car but the electrical system (alternator) was a big problem. My dad had to literally do a Tony Soprano and the regional manager for Ford actually got involved and finally after several alternators that managed to crap out at inopportune times. Finally we got that problem rectified. Sadly my Mustang II Ghia met a premature death on the Sunday of Memorial Day weekend 1978 when an elderly lady in her Dodge Coronet blew through a red light in front of Sinai Hospital and tore the front off the mini me Mustang. My sister was riding with me and got a gash on her forehead, I was unscathed. That was the last Ford for me or my dad. Interestingly enough a few years later my sister bought a used 1967 Mustang 289 V8 with A/C. That car was a sweet ride, handled and flew like a pocket rocket.
Looking back, I wish I knew how to drive a stick shift back then when I was 18. I would have then gone with the 1974 Ghia
but with the four speed. BTW, the A/C in my Mustang II rocked. Gas mileage wise I got anywhere from 16 to 26 mpg. The high end was when I drove it to Ocean City or Atlantic City using the A/C. That mileage sounds lousy for such a small car but this was the 70's with the plethora of anti-smog equipment which was new at the time.
For those who talk about a loaded like a T-Bird; the Mustang II did not offer power locks or windows. The major options were V6, Ghia, A/C, AM-FM Stereo 8 track, Auto Transmission and sun roof. Believe it or not the base models looked fine to me. My dad was able to get me a good deal on the Ghia.

http://www.mustangii.net/1974/74_press_release.asp

Option Price
Accent Group 151.00
Air conditioner, SelectAire 390.00
Alarm system, anti-theft 75.00
Automatic seatback release 24.00
Axle, Traction-Lok differential 45.00
Battery, heavy-duty 14.00
Belts, color-keyed deluxe 17.00
Bumper guards, front and rear 37.00
Clock, digital quartz crystal 36.00
Console 53.00
Convenience Group:
Models with Luxury Interior Group 41.00
Mach 1, models w/Rallye Package or Accent Group 21.00
Ghia, models w/Luxury Interior Group in combination with Rallye Package 4.00
Mach 1 in combination with Luxury Interior Group 4.00
All other models 57.00
Electric rear window defroster 59.00
Emission equipment, Calif. 19.00
Glass, tinted complete 39.00
Light Group 44.00
Luxury Interior Group 100.00
Maintenance Group 44.00
Mirrors, outside color-keyed remote control 36.00
Molding, rocker panel 14.00
Molding, vinyl insert bodyside 50.00
Paint, glamour 41.00
Pin stripes 14.00
Power front disc brakes 45.00
Power rack and pinion steering 107.00
Protection Group, Mach 1 41.00
All others 47.00
Radio, AM 61.00
Radio, AM/FM monaural 124.00
Radio, AM/FM stereo 222.00
Radio with tape player, AM/FM stereo 346.00
Rallye Package (requires 2.8 V-6):
Mach 1 150.00
3dr 2+2 200.00
All others 244.00

Option Price
Rear quarter window, flipper (3dr only) 29.00
Roof, vinyl 83.00
Seat, fold-down rear (std. 3dr) 61.00
Steering wheel, leather-wrapped 30.00
Sunroof, manually operated (2dr only) 149.00
Suspension, competition 37.00
Trim, luggage compartment 28.00
Trim, Picardy velour cloth (Ghia) 62.00
Trim rings (w/styled steel wheels) 32.00
Wheels, four forged aluminum:
Mach 1 71.00
Models w/Rallye package 71.00
3dr 2+2 models w/Accent Group 71.00
3dr 2+2 or hardtops with Accent Group 103.00
Ghia 103.00
Hardtop 147.00
Wheels, four styled steel (std. 3dr, models with Rallye Package, and base 2dr with Accent Group)
Ghia N/C
Hardtop 44.00
Models having (5) BR78xl3 BSW steel-belted radial tires, extra charge for five:
BR78xl3 steel-belted radial WSW 30.00
BR70xl3 Wide Oval steel-belted radial B/WL 59.00
CR70xl3 Wide Oval steel-belted radial B/WL 77.00
CR70xl3 Wide Oval steel-belted radial WSW 65.00
Credit for five:
B78xl3 BSW (84.00)
B78xl3 WSW (54.00)
Models having (5) BR78xl3 WSW steel-belted radial tires, extra charge for five:
BR70xl3 Wide Oval steel-belted radial B/WL 29.00
CR70xl3 Wide Oval steel-belted radial B/WL 47.00
CR70xl3 Wide Oval steel-belted radial WSW 34.00
Models having (5) BR70xl3 B/WL Wide Oval steel-belted radial tires, extra charge for five:
CR70xl3 Wide Oval steel-belted radial B/WL 17.00
CR70xl3 Wide Oval steel-belted radial WSW 5.00



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39884 posts, RR: 74
Reply 75, posted (2 years 5 months 23 hours ago) and read 6749 times:

The best thing we can do is write letters and complain to Ford.
Write as many post as possible about proposed Mustang on the Ford Motor Company's Facebook wall about what a terrible idea this is.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 72):
They weren't bad compared to the Pinto,

Two different eras of automobiles.

Quoting sccutler (Reply 73):
Say what you will about the Mustang's demographic draw - my 17-year-old son has been all adrool over Mustangs since he was about 8 years old.

Sounds like you're raising him right!   

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 74):
Radio with tape player, AM/FM stereo 346.00

One year later the quadraphonic 8track player would be available for a whopping $398.00.



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User currently offlineSmittyOne From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 76, posted (2 years 5 months 22 hours ago) and read 6734 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 70):

Quoting SmittyOne (Reply 69):
LOL, keep kidding yourself that automobiles don't have a serious negative impact on the environment. Which I think you a

There is one in every crowd.   

One what? One person willing to call you out?

I don't care where you stand on environmental issues (my lifestyle is not very green) but I think your argument was weak.

[Edited 2012-04-20 03:21:22]

User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12556 posts, RR: 25
Reply 77, posted (2 years 5 months 21 hours ago) and read 6719 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 70):
Not to be knit-picky but Connecticut would be northeast of NYC.

LOL! I knew something wasn't right there.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 70):
But I'm not surprised because the coastal areas, particularly areas with all of those pointy-headed intellectuals have been anti-domestic cars for a long time now.

Well, just as all of MA is not Boston or Cambridge, all of CT is not Fairfield County.

Even all of New Haven isn't Yale, a lot of it is a sh*thole.

The part of CT I grew up in had men working in brass mills and women sewing footwear in old mill buildings.

This isn't my home town but it might as well be, the mill looks just like the one my grandma worked in, but this one is a lot nicer:



Note you won't find any air conditioning in there, at least you didn't in the one grandma worked in.

Quoting sccutler (Reply 73):
If he makes his grades and keeps them into college, he may yet get lucky...


I bet he hopes he gets lucky sooner than that!



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User currently offlineL410Turbolet From Czech Republic, joined May 2004, 5712 posts, RR: 18
Reply 78, posted (2 years 5 months 21 hours ago) and read 6714 times:

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 9):
The current retro stang including the 2010 face lift is a classic and proves that all is not lost when it comes to automotive styling.

Really? The fact that car manufacturers/designers can't do anything better than just stealing their own ideas from half a century ago seems like a very proof of exactly the opposite.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 41):
is UAW approved

Who needs an "approval" of some union goon that they can buy this or that car?


User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7521 posts, RR: 23
Reply 79, posted (2 years 5 months 19 hours ago) and read 6693 times:

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 74):
If I were to buy a new Mustang with the 6 cylinder, I'd go with the stick shift. With the weight of the current stang, an automatic with a 6 would be sluggish.

I'm not sure about the current 2012/2013 model w/the 3.7L but according to tests involving 2008 models with the old 4.0L; the difference in 0 to 60 times between the manual vs. the automatic was only 0.5 seconds (6.4 vs. 6.7). Not a real deal-breaker IMHO.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 75):
The best thing we can do is write letters and complain to Ford.

Similar worked in the pre-Internet/e-Mail/Social Media culture of 1987-1988 regarding the Probe.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 75):
Write as many post as possible about proposed Mustang on the Ford Motor Company's Facebook wall about what a terrible idea this is.

I'm sure that wall's already getting flooded with comments by now.

Quoting sccutler (Reply 73):
Say what you will about the Mustang's demographic draw - my 17-year-old son has been all adrool over Mustangs since he was about 8 years old.

If he makes his grades and keeps them into college, he may yet get lucky...

New or used? Ford's squawk regarding the age demographic only involves new Mustang buyers; not used Mustang buyers.

Quoting Polot (Reply 68):
If you look at all the data (I plotted it in excel), that is basically true with all generations except through the 90s and around the turn of the century, where sales kind of jumped back and forth. It's a pretty common trend in car sales.

Polot, the point and intent of my previous post was to show a contradiction in type-rated's Marketing Class' revisionist historical take on the Mustang II. His class' described example simply did not happen en masse.

Quoting Revelation (Reply 59):
Interesting that many of my generation developed a preference for non-American cars without global warming.

Depending on when you graduated high school (late 70s or early 80s (?)), rising gas prices, double-digit inflation, the misery index, long gas lines, reduction in automobile performance due to increased emission controls, CAFE figures increasing every year, the downsizing of cars and the media's outright demonizing of nearly every American car that was either large and/or equipped w/a V8 either was still occuring or was still fresh on most people's minds back then. Not to mention that some kids' interest in certain car brands may have been mimicking that of their parents at the time. While they may not have cared for their parent's Toyota Corolla or Corona nor Datsun 210 or 510; their parent's buying of a Toyota or Datsun may have motivated to check out other vehicles (Celica/Supra or the (280)Z) in their respective lines.

It's similar to a generation earlier when a kid buying a new '65 Ford Mustang because his father bought a Ford Galaxie 500 at the same dealership.



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User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12556 posts, RR: 25
Reply 80, posted (2 years 5 months 17 hours ago) and read 6664 times:

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 79):
Depending on when you graduated high school (late 70s or early 80s (?))

1980 to be exact.

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 79):
rising gas prices, double-digit inflation, the misery index, long gas lines, reduction in automobile performance due to increased emission controls, CAFE figures increasing every year, the downsizing of cars and the media's outright demonizing of nearly every American car that was either large and/or equipped w/a V8 either was still occuring or was still fresh on most people's minds back then.

It's interesting that you don't seem to allow for people actually liking the nimble handling, high quality, great value and great gas mileage of the non-American cars of the time, which dates back at least as far as the VW Beetle becoming popular in the 50's.

Sure, in 1980 gas was $1.29/gal or so, but minimum wage was $3.10 and because I was in college starting in 1980 I could not work tons of hours, and I was paying for my car insurance as well as books, tuition and expenses, including commuting to and from college. I'm certainly not complaining about it, all I'm saying is that everyone's priority wasn't having a cool muscle car, and some of the imports of the era were quite fun to drive in addition to all their other qualities.

My brother is a year and a half older than me, but he was into Mopar muscle cars, and he said his V8 with Holley carb got something like 12 mpg. Since he was not college bound, he could spend his cash on cars and gas, but more often than not he rode the school bus instead of taking his car because he couldn't afford two gallons of gas each and every time he drove to school.



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User currently offlineAI121 From Canada, joined Jan 2011, 55 posts, RR: 0
Reply 81, posted (2 years 5 months 13 hours ago) and read 6628 times:

These "new loook" photos are all just rumors for now. Probably what Ford means by getting Mustang off retro look is this..

http://files.americanmuscle.com/blog2/2014mustang.jpg

Link to the source



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39884 posts, RR: 74
Reply 82, posted (2 years 5 months 13 hours ago) and read 6629 times:

Quoting AI121 (Reply 81):
These "new loook" photos are all just rumors for now.

Now I can sleep better tonight....

Quoting Revelation (Reply 80):
1980 to be exact.

That was a great year!
Concert tickets to see great bands such as Styx, Rush, Queen or Blue Oyster Cult was still under $15.00 and you could buy a can of beer at the concert for less than $1.

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 79):
It's similar to a generation earlier when a kid buying a new '65 Ford Mustang because his father bought a Ford Galaxie 500 at the same dealership.

  

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 79):
I'm sure that wall's already getting flooded with comments by now.

True but they need YOUR voice!
YOU can make a difference!   



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User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7521 posts, RR: 23
Reply 83, posted (2 years 5 months 13 hours ago) and read 6629 times:

Quoting Revelation (Reply 80):
It's interesting that you don't seem to allow for people actually liking the nimble handling, high quality, great value and great gas mileage of the non-American cars of the time

I stated no such thing. I was merely pointing out that a sizable portion of the automotive buying population changed to different types and sizes of cars clearly due one of or a combination of the stated reasons above.

As the time went by, and gas prices leveled and dropped; many (though not all) went back to either buying larger cars and/or demanded more performance. Had gas prices indeed kept on increasing to a then-predicted $3/gallon by 1985; the pony and muscle car resurgenge that took place by the mid-80s either would not have happened or would have been very short-lived. The Crown Vic and the Caprice would have been likely gone or drastically downsized by then as well; GM was already kicking in its 2nd phase of downsizing of many of its full-sizes by 1985-86 and Chrysler was already out of the true full-size car market in 1982. When gas prices started crashing down in the mid-80s, then-Chrysler Chariman Lee Iacocca said (in jest, obviously) that he would go out, buy a gun and shoot himself (for supposedly killing off the full-size cars).

With regards to those that bought those nimble handling and great gas mileage, non-American cars during the 70s and 80s; I wonder what percentage of them later on ultimately traded in those in for much larger (and more gas-thirsty) SUVs (domestic or import) because they realized that they either needed more room and/or occasionally had to tow something?

Quoting Revelation (Reply 80):
I'm saying is that everyone's priority wasn't having a cool muscle car

Again, where did I say that every high schooler or twenty-something had to have a muscle car, especially a new one? The only reason the age subject came about was that Ford was getting concerned about the average age of new Mustang buyers is now breaking the AARP barrier.

The cars I owned during my high school and college years (I graduated high school in 1984 & college in 1988) certainly weren't new and they certainly weren't pony or muscle cars. My first 3 three cars ('69 LTD, '74 Impala, '76 LTD) I owned from 1982-1988 all were bought for between $300-$600.

Quoting Revelation (Reply 80):
My brother is a year and a half older than me, but he was into Mopar muscle cars, and he said his V8 with Holley carb got something like 12 mpg. Since he was not college bound, he could spend his cash on cars and gas, but more often than not he rode the school bus instead of taking his car because he couldn't afford two gallons of gas each and every time he drove to school.

And that's perfectly fine; that's his choice, his perogative and his money. If I were in his shoes, I would've done likewise... especially in 1979 with the gas lines and all.

And if you want to buy a small, nimble, fuel efficient car, fine; but for those that do such (so that I'm not saying that you personally have done this) it would be wise for them to stop criticizing, looking down upon and/or demonizing those that buy something that is not to their liking and taste.



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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15744 posts, RR: 27
Reply 84, posted (2 years 5 months 12 hours ago) and read 6616 times:

Quoting AI121 (Reply 81):
Probably what Ford means by getting Mustang off retro look is this.

That isn't off the retro at all. That still looks more like old Mustangs than the new Camaro looks like the old Camaros. Hell, that's basically a facelift of the current model. I love the side exhausts though, they ought to make those standard across the line.



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User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8269 posts, RR: 8
Reply 85, posted (2 years 5 months 12 hours ago) and read 6604 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 22):
Then they need to cut the price. In half.

Young people simply can't afford cars at these prices. Its unsurprising their average age has crept up.

Most cars these days have prices that challenge consumer wallets. If you look at the original Mustang and how it fit into the market you would think that the new versions should be in the lower 20s. I doubt, however, if Ford wants the Mustng tone a high volume seller as it impacts their fleet fuel average.


User currently offlinezippyjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 5478 posts, RR: 12
Reply 86, posted (2 years 5 months 11 hours ago) and read 6584 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 75):
One year later the quadraphonic 8track player would be available for a whopping $398.00.

Where would the rear speakers go? I remember, the Stereo option only gave you 2 door mounted speakers as the package shelf on the notchback was tiny and of course the fastback was an issue.

Earlier someone mentioned the fact that after model year 1974 sales fell off. Actually 1975 and 1977 models were in the top 10 years of Mustang sales.

What crimped the Mustang II sales were several new car choices.
1. Ford's own Granada actually had a Ghia interior and for that model year it's first even it's standard interior was at least mid flight. Following years they cheapened up and made the horrid strippo bench seats found on the lower end Torinos.
2. The GM subcompacts based on the Vega but a hell of a lot better looking came on namely the Chevy Mazda, and models from Olds, Pontiac and Buick.
3. Even the arrival of the Mopar Aspen and Volare had personal models.
4. Japanese cars starting to take off. In 1978, the Celica's new design really made the Japanese pony car a big hit.



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User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7521 posts, RR: 23
Reply 87, posted (2 years 5 months 11 hours ago) and read 6580 times:

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 85):
If you look at the original Mustang and how it fit into the market you would think that the new versions should be in the lower 20s.

The starting price of a base Mustang hardtop (fastback) is indeed in the lower 20s; but the extra toys and higher trim packages (not to mention the GT trim with its V8 engine) are what pushes the price over $30k.

The problem seems to be that most dealerships are stacking their lots with the more loaded models. Most seekers won't go through placing a factory order unless they're real picky about what they want in a car... any car. If they can't find what they want at the price they want; they'll move on and look at something else.

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 85):
I doubt, however, if Ford wants the Mustng tone a high volume seller as it impacts their fleet fuel average.

That's the main reason why Ford's dropping the V6 as an option for both the 2013 Fusion and Escape and killed off the RWD Panther platform last fall. It's also the reason why (to the shagrin of most Mustang enthusiasts) Ford's bringing back the 4-banger to its most basic Mustang for 2015; it'll help soften any CAFE drawdowns.



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User currently offlinestasisLAX From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3283 posts, RR: 6
Reply 88, posted (2 years 5 months 9 hours ago) and read 6574 times:

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 87):
That's the main reason why Ford's dropping the V6 as an option for both the 2013 Fusion and Escape and killed off the RWD Panther platform last fall. It's also the reason why (to the shagrin of most Mustang enthusiasts) Ford's bringing back the 4-banger to its most basic Mustang for 2015; it'll help soften any CAFE drawdowns.

The 2014 (and a half, perhaps) Mustang engine lineup is rumored to be a 1.6-liter "EcoBoost" turbocharged and direct injected four-cylinder engine that’s good for about 180 horsepower and 180 lb-ft of torque, while the basic Mustang GT version is rumored to feature a 2.0-liter EcoBoost direct-injected turbo four making 240-horsepower and 270 lb-ft of torque. Its possible that a Shelby Mustang might be equipped with Ford's Eco-Boost V-6, which would be about 375 horsepower and probably offer a all-wheel drive powertrain, similiar to the setup currently used by the full-sized Taurus SHO sedan. No real mention of V-8 powerplants whatsoever...... I guess this is considered progress.   



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User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12556 posts, RR: 25
Reply 89, posted (2 years 5 months 9 hours ago) and read 6564 times:

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 83):
Quoting Revelation (Reply 80):
It's interesting that you don't seem to allow for people actually liking the nimble handling, high quality, great value and great gas mileage of the non-American cars of the time

I stated no such thing. I was merely pointing out that a sizable portion of the automotive buying population changed to different types and sizes of cars clearly due one of or a combination of the stated reasons above.

And I didn't state that you did state such a thing, just that your description didn't seem to allow for any other reason for someone to buy different sizes and types of cars. Personally I applaud your mastery of the unsaid, but fear you may be confusing others as to what your actual intent is.

And I agree with your point that one's tastes in cars does change as a function of buying power and personal requirements/desires, but in my mind smaller cars entered the market in a big way in the late 70s and haven't left, despite the SUV and pickup fads in the 90s and early 00s.



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User currently offlinemmedford From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 561 posts, RR: 8
Reply 90, posted (2 years 5 months 3 hours ago) and read 6506 times:

Many have made their opinions on the styling and I argee....

But I will say one thing, mustangs should only come in V8s....



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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15744 posts, RR: 27
Reply 91, posted (2 years 5 months 2 hours ago) and read 6504 times:

Quoting stasisLAX (Reply 88):
while the basic Mustang GT version is rumored to feature a 2.0-liter EcoBoost direct-injected turbo four making 240-horsepower and 270 lb-ft of torque.

Unless the new Mustang weighs about 2,500 lbs (a drop of about 1,000 lbs. over the current model) that isn't going to cut it.

Quoting stasisLAX (Reply 88):
No real mention of V-8 powerplants whatsoever...... I guess this is considered progress.

It isn't about the number of cylinders, it's about power. Frankly, from a dynamic standpoint, the engine is a giant chunk of metal and shrinking the giant chunks of metal in cars is generally good. And that is possible more than ever with things like direct injection, variable camshafts, and computer controlled turbochargers that virtually eliminate turbo lag.



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39884 posts, RR: 74
Reply 92, posted (2 years 5 months ago) and read 6489 times:

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 83):
With regards to those that bought those nimble handling and great gas mileage, non-American cars during the 70s and 80s; I wonder what percentage of them later on ultimately traded in those in for much larger (and more gas-thirsty) SUVs (domestic or import) because they realized that they either needed more room and/or occasionally had to tow something?

A friend of mine back in high school (late 80s early 90s) had a Datsun/Nissan 300ZX that he loved to death! It was a great car too. Today he has a family with 3 children. He drives a Pathfinder and the wife drives a Quest.

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 86):
Where would the rear speakers go? I remember, the Stereo option only gave you 2 door mounted speakers as the package shelf on the notchback was tiny and of course the fastback was an issue.

Come to think of it, you're right. The quadraphonic 8track deck because available the following model year on the larger Fords even though the deck would easily fit in the dash of the Mustang II and Pinto. The Pinto sedan and wagons had rear speakers but not sure of the hatchback Mustang II or nothback Ghia had rear speakers.

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 87):
That's the main reason why Ford's dropping the V6 as an option for both the 2013 Fusion and Escape and killed off the RWD Panther platform last fall. It's also the reason why (to the shagrin of most Mustang enthusiasts) Ford's bringing back the 4-banger to its most basic Mustang for 2015; it'll help soften any CAFE drawdowns.

If there is a regime change in Washington, do you think these CAFE laws can be repealed?



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User currently offlineMax Q From United States of America, joined May 2001, 4519 posts, RR: 18
Reply 93, posted (2 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 6372 times:

Looks terrible.


They should stay with the Retro look and finally fix the cheap, goofy interior.



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26493 posts, RR: 75
Reply 94, posted (2 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 6333 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 92):
If there is a regime change in Washington, do you think these CAFE laws can be repealed?

The Bush Junta didn't repeal CAFE, so I don't see that happening elsewhere. And good thing too.



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39884 posts, RR: 74
Reply 95, posted (2 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 6307 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 94):
The Bush Junta didn't repeal CAFE, so I don't see that happening elsewhere.

I had asked PHLBOS the same question several years ago and he pointed out that the previous Junta didn't raise it when there was an effort by enviro-extremist to raise it.
Perhaps he can find the link or the proposed law.



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User currently offlinephotopilot From Canada, joined Jul 2002, 2738 posts, RR: 18
Reply 96, posted (2 years 4 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 6269 times:

Quoting type-rated (Reply 20):
How many 21 year old do you know that can afford a $38,000 car?
Quoting Superfly (Reply 1):
These kids now-a-days have no appreciation for cars anyway.

No... I think too many young guys have had their balls chopped off (figuratively speaking) and been brainwashed by all that environmental nonsense that they have to own a hybrid or use public transportation or a bicycle.

Quoting Derico (Reply 39):
Gasoline being 4 to 5 time more expensive for us "21" generation compared to your time doens't help either.

Completely wrong, at least here in Canada. In my days as a late teenager, one hour of work at minimum wage was enough to buy roughly two gallons of gas. Today, the minimum wage in my province will also buy you roughly two gallons of gas though it is now sold in litres. So fuel, as a cost related to minimum wage is relatively constant.

Quoting stasisLAX (Reply 42):
Not all young folks today WANT to drive - it's too expensive, it can be seen as bad for the environment, and well, there's social media!

LMAO..... tell that to a teenage guy that social media is better than having a back-seat in a car. You'll never get laid using social media like you can with a car and a back seat.


User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12556 posts, RR: 25
Reply 97, posted (2 years 4 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 6236 times:

Quoting photopilot (Reply 96):

No... I think too many young guys have had their balls chopped off (figuratively speaking) and been brainwashed by all that environmental nonsense that they have to own a hybrid or use public transportation or a bicycle.
Quoting photopilot (Reply 96):

LMAO..... tell that to a teenage guy that social media is better than having a back-seat in a car. You'll never get laid using social media like you can with a car and a back seat.

So which is it: young guys listen to the environmentalists, or follow their primal urges?

I vote for the primal urges.



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User currently offlineACDC8 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 7642 posts, RR: 35
Reply 98, posted (2 years 4 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 6202 times:

Quoting stasisLAX (Reply 88):
while the basic Mustang GT version is rumored to feature a 2.0-liter EcoBoost direct-injected turbo four making 240-horsepower and 270 lb-ft of torque. Its possible that a Shelby Mustang might be equipped with Ford's Eco-Boost V-6, which would be about 375 horsepower and probably offer a all-wheel drive powertrain, similiar to the setup currently used by the full-sized Taurus SHO sedan. No real mention of V-8 powerplants whatsoever...... I guess this is considered progress.

Progress?    The "basic" GT now pumps out 420hp, my 04 GT pumps out 260hp and next years Shelby is to have 650hp and thats gonna be cut in half? Yeah, not gonna happen unless Ford wants to kill off the Mustang and if thats the case, they should just end the production and not follow GM's footstep and mock the heritage of their vehicle names by coming up with such silly and ridiculous ideas. How can one even market that?

Quoting AI121 (Reply 81):
These "new loook" photos are all just rumors for now.

   Interestingly, I haven't seen these photos on any of my Mustang forum's, maybe because people don't want to fear getting banned for posting them  



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User currently offlinemham001 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3645 posts, RR: 5
Reply 99, posted (2 years 4 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 6160 times:

Quoting photopilot (Reply 96):
LMAO..... tell that to a teenage guy that social media is better than having a back-seat in a car. You'll never get laid using social media like you can with a car and a back seat.

I don't know about who gets laid more in what but it is old news that teenager interest in cars has fallen dramatically in the last 20 years. Social media is just one of the reasons for this. Automakers are very much aware of it.

http://blogs.automotive.com/todays-t...-losing-interest-in-cars-9859.html


User currently offlinestasisLAX From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3283 posts, RR: 6
Reply 100, posted (2 years 4 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 6119 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 91):
Unless the new Mustang weighs about 2,500 lbs (a drop of about 1,000 lbs. over the current model) that isn't going to cut it.

The new Mustang is expected to drop 400-500 lbs - keep in mind that the current Mustang is approximately 500 pounds lighter than the porky Challenger and Camaro competitors - which is ALSO why the 2015 Camaro is going to be downsized to the new Cadillac ATS rear-wheel drive platform (called the Alpha platform within General Motors) in another couple of years, and loose approximately 600 lbs in the process.

Look for the Camaro to offer a 2.5 liter turbocharged 4 cylinder motor in the base versions - as the current ATS offers the same turbo-4 motor, making a healthy 270 horsepower, so not all is lost. All-wheel drive is also highly likely to be offered on higher versions of the Camaro. The new CAFE standards are forceably making GM and Ford design these "pony cars" to be highly fuel-efficient - meaning city mileage in the high 20s and highway mileage near 40 MPG.Think about the current performance of the Mitsubishi Evo and Subaru WRX/STI sedans, and the new "international sized" Mustang and Camaro should have performance quite similiar to them



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39884 posts, RR: 74
Reply 101, posted (2 years 4 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 6063 times:

Quoting photopilot (Reply 96):
No... I think too many young guys have had their balls chopped off (figuratively speaking) and been brainwashed by all that environmental nonsense that they have to own a hybrid or use public transportation or a bicycle.

That is what I was saying. It's really sad to see this.

Quoting Revelation (Reply 97):
So which is it: young guys listen to the environmentalists, or follow their primal urges?

I vote for the primal urges.

You're from a generation were it was ok for a man to think like a man and a lady to think like a lady. I caught the very tail end of this but saw the early stages of creeping environmentalism and politically correct based education.
As far as following these "urges", it's no different than those student Christian organizations that hold hands, sing songs of praise and are taught to abstain from sex, drugs, alcohol and the Devil's music.
Some fall out of line but many stick with it out of fear and guilt.

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 98):
they should just end the production and not follow GM's footstep and mock the heritage of their vehicle names by coming up with such silly and ridiculous ideas. How can one even market that?

I'd be happy to see the Probe come back - the FORD Probe that is.  
This should be the new Probe.

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 98):
Interestingly, I haven't seen these photos on any of my Mustang forum's, maybe because people don't want to fear getting banned for posting them

If you do, you may want to preface this story as a disturbing rumor.



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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15744 posts, RR: 27
Reply 102, posted (2 years 4 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 6060 times:

Quoting stasisLAX (Reply 100):
The new Mustang is expected to drop 400-500 lbs

That's not going to be enough.

The issue is that the Mustang, Camaro and Challengers have stopped being pony cars and have aged with their customers. Like most of the buyers from previous decades those cars have added a hefty beer gut.

The real new pony cars are the rice rockets, some of which aren't bad and others have front wheel drive as their primary sin.



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User currently offlineMax Q From United States of America, joined May 2001, 4519 posts, RR: 18
Reply 103, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 6020 times:

A Mustang should look like a Mustang or what's the point ?


That thing looks like a Kia



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User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12556 posts, RR: 25
Reply 104, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 5998 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 101):
You're from a generation were it was ok for a man to think like a man and a lady to think like a lady.

Yet other than my brother and his set of muscle car fans, I can't think of too many who went after the kinds of cars described here. Most went after cheap reliable transportation and didn't care too much what form it took. Given these were the proto-yuppie years, for every muscle car fan, there was someone else lusting after a Saab Turbo or a Volvo V4 or perhaps a Triumph.



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39884 posts, RR: 74
Reply 105, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 5987 times:

Quoting Revelation (Reply 104):
Yet other than my brother and his set of muscle car fans, I can't think of too many who went after the kinds of cars described here. Most went after cheap reliable transportation and didn't care too much what form it took. Given these were the proto-yuppie years, for every muscle car fan, there was someone else lusting after a Saab Turbo or a Volvo V4 or perhaps a Triumph.

It's them gawd damn East-coast pointy-headed intellectuals again!   

Where I grew up, no one drove those kinds of cars but 40 minutes away on the north side of Chicago, you'd see a few of those.
Of the cars you mentioned, the Triumph is the coolest. By the time I was in high school, we were already living in SoCal. My first car was going to be a 1980 Triumph TR-7. This was in 1989 and it was selling for only $500.
A good friend of mine talked me out of it and I ended up buying a 1974 Ford Pinto instead for $275.
I had $600 to work with (money I saved up working at Taco Bell), and after buying the Pinto, I had enough money left over to pay for registration and concert tickets to see Kiss.



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User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7521 posts, RR: 23
Reply 106, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 5987 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 95):
Quoting N1120A (Reply 94):
The Bush Junta didn't repeal CAFE, so I don't see that happening elsewhere.

I had asked PHLBOS the same question several years ago and he pointed out that the previous Junta didn't raise it when there was an effort by enviro-extremist to raise it.
Perhaps he can find the link or the proposed law.

Three words regarding altering CAFE standards: Act of Congress.

One could conceivably have a President who would toss out the standards in a heartbeat but if there's a Congress that thinks otherwise; it's just not going to happen. If the former were the case; President Reagan would have tossed out the standards during his first term in office.

Efforts to raise the CAFE standard past the 27.5 mpg figure have been floating around Capitol Hill since the Bush 41 Administration. Had the outcome of the 1994 Congressional elections been different; the standards would have increased sooner and cars like the current Mustang, Camaro & Challenger would have never became reality.

Since it was brought up, efforts to boost CAFE standards during the Bush 43 Administration occurred a couple of times, mostly in the Senate, which was evenly divided for the first 6-years of Bush 43 but never came to an actual vote. If it did pass in the Senate prior to 2007, it would have likely gotten nowhere in the House.

Only when the Democrats regained control of the House and full control of the Senate following the 2006 elections, did a bill clear Congress. Yes, Bush 43 (unwisely IMHO) signed the bill into law; my guess is that his reason for doing so was due to the fact that a veto over-ride would have been very likely, given the House & Senate make-up at the time.

The House could pass a bill to abolish CAFE tomorrow; but it would likely die in the current Senate (never mind President Obama vetoing it).

Quoting Superfly (Reply 92):
If there is a regime change in Washington, do you think these CAFE laws can be repealed?

Only if there's a regime change both in the Senate as well as the Presidency.

Back to the topic at hand, I will withhold judgment on the new Mustang until I actually see one that better resembles an actual production model.

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 86):
Chevy Mazda

Freudian slip there Zip, I believe you meant to say Chevy Monza



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User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12556 posts, RR: 25
Reply 107, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 5982 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 105):
I ended up buying a 1974 Ford Pinto instead for $275.

LOL! My first car was a '72 pinto purchased in 1980 for $400 and not worth that. I bought it from one of my brother's gearhead friend knowing it was pretty bad, and finding out later that a motor mount was cracked and only 2 of the 4 pistons had good compression. I got $100 for it on a trade-in less than two months later for a '74 duster with slant-6 225 which cost me $900 and lasted me through four years of college.



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User currently offlineNASCARAirforce From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3178 posts, RR: 4
Reply 108, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 5623 times:

Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter):
Ford has found that the average age of a Mustang buyer is now 51 years old, which is NOT a demographic that Ford wants for its youth-oriented musclecar

Lets see, when 51 year olds were in their teens and 20s... this was pretty much the Mustang. I guess the 2014 Mustang would be the retro design to this:

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 15):
That was an April Fool's Teaser from Car and Driver.

Not too far off when Dodge makes the 4 door Charger


User currently offlineSW733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6324 posts, RR: 9
Reply 109, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 5617 times:

That's one bad looking Maserati...

User currently offlineThrottleHold From South Africa, joined Jul 2006, 657 posts, RR: 1
Reply 110, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 5568 times:

I considered buying a Shelby Mustang, but I was put off by the tacky, cheap, plasticky interior. Went for a 2012 Jaguar XK-R Convertible instead.

User currently offlinezippyjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 5478 posts, RR: 12
Reply 111, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 5515 times:

I saw a picture of the 2014 Stang in a Car and Driver magazine. It was the same bloated round mess on wheels as in the picture at the top of this thread. However the grille had the Mustang Horse badge making the grille now just ugly up from horrendous. I still say this car is more for the European male soccer fanatics who take off from work and riot due to their male bonding socceer. Just call the damn thing the "Soccer" and leave the Mustang alone!


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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15744 posts, RR: 27
Reply 112, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 5512 times:

Quoting ThrottleHold (Reply 110):

I considered buying a Shelby Mustang, but I was put off by the tacky, cheap, plasticky interior. Went for a 2012 Jaguar XK-R Convertible instead.

You made the right choice. The Shelby performs well, but at the end of the day it's still a $50,000 (here, I'm sure it's higher elsewhere) Mustang, and that money buys any number of far nicer cars.



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User currently offlinerlwynn From Germany, joined Dec 2000, 1085 posts, RR: 1
Reply 113, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 5505 times:

Quoting Polot (Reply 35):
They sold a little over 70,000 of them last year (57th best selling car), more than the Fiesta for example, which is hardly anything to sneeze at.

Last year Ford sold 765,611 Fiestas compared to the Mustangs 77,652.



I can drive faster than you
User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7521 posts, RR: 23
Reply 114, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 5488 times:

Quoting rlwynn (Reply 113):
Quoting Polot (Reply 35):
They sold a little over 70,000 of them last year (57th best selling car), more than the Fiesta for example, which is hardly anything to sneeze at.

Last year Ford sold 765,611 Fiestas compared to the Mustangs 77,652.

I believe he's referring to ones sold in the U.S. market only.



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User currently offlinezippyjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 5478 posts, RR: 12
Reply 115, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 5481 times:

Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter):
Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 108):

No, more like that bathtub hippo on wheels the Renault Fuego. Or, maybe:


I can see the new advertising campaign for this mistake:
1. Features a bunch of Italian metro sexual men literally having orgasims over some men's European soccer match. The soccer players start wresteling each other and fighting. Music rises: "Move Like Jagger" by Maroon 5 {vomit]
The ugly new Mustang rolls in and the fighting men part so this pygmy hippo can roll onto the field. The soccer boys start clapping and shouting in Italian and then start hugging and getting romantic with each other over the new Mustang. The metro sexual hyperactive Italian soccer fans prance onto the field and couple up with some of the soccer players (all men)
and point out all the great features and styling cues to this thing. Meanwhile Move Like Jagger keeps playing; An announcer then says: "The New Ford Mustang, has just scored the winning goal! Mount one at your Ford Dealers.!"

I can just imagine the new models/trims of this so called Mustang:

1. Twink (basic economy politically correct model)
2. "Soccer" European in flavor with improved trim but still an economy geared model like the Twink
3. "Palomino" Performance Mustang
4. Beckham: luxury cruiser with a little flair and a blow drier mounted in the dash
5. Globalist: Luxury Internatial car with espionage features. (attempting to be the New 007 car; I don't think so!)



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User currently offlinerlwynn From Germany, joined Dec 2000, 1085 posts, RR: 1
Reply 116, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 5481 times:

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 114):
I believe he's referring to ones sold in the U.S. market only.

I realize that but I am sure Ford is looking at the bigger picture.



I can drive faster than you
User currently offlinePolot From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 2187 posts, RR: 1
Reply 117, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 5469 times:

Quoting rlwynn (Reply 116):
I realize that but I am sure Ford is looking at the bigger picture.

I wasn't trying to imply that the Mustang is more important to FoMoCo as a whole than the Fiesta. I was just pointing out that the pony car segment in the US, while not as large as it use to be, is still very important. It is a segment where Ford will continue to invest in, especially now that it wants to expand where the Mustang is sold.


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