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User currently offlinebananaboy From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 1588 posts, RR: 22
Posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 1781 times:

I've become increasingly frustrated with my HTC Desire HD and as I'm coming up to the end of the contract, am seriously considering going to an iPhone.

Things that have annoyed me have been:

- Software is kind of buggy (i.e. WiFi drops regularly) and lags.
- Updates to the OS - so many "ifs" and "whens" - can't be doing with that.
- Battery life is horrendous. I'm lucky if I can get 6 hours out of it, at least if I want to use it. (Possibly something to do with crap Vodafone - can't sustain reliable connection even in Sydney CBD!)
- Seems like the world is "built" for iPhones. Can never get the phone to work via USB connection to car radio, or on VA's IFE, though I don't think hubby has had any problem doing the same with his iPhone.
- Google Play is crap, at least in Australia. No music for the foreseeable future. I think it's a total mess.
- HTC software included for PC sync was terrible.

My Gmail integrates well which I like and I like the turn-by-turn navigation which is free but Android as a system seems half-hearted and rushed, whereas Apple seem to have a seamless, integrated and relatively bug-free platform. I'm not a power-user, and have no interest in rooting the phone - I just want something that works well out of the box.

I went for Android as the phone was a little cheaper, the image quality was excellent and thought that I was happy to be "individual" and go for a non-Apple product. I wish I hadn't.

So, to my question, has anyone made the switch from Android to Apple, and if so, are you glad you did? What do you miss about Android? Maybe I'll be persuaded to give it a while longer.



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User currently offlineSilver1SWA From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 4860 posts, RR: 25
Reply 1, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 1771 times:
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Quoting bananaboy (Thread starter):
So, to my question, has anyone made the switch from Android to Apple, and if so, are you glad you did? What do you miss about Android? Maybe I'll be persuaded to give it a while longer.

I haven't. I've never had an Android phone. However I know many, many former Android users who have switched to the iPhone. All of them are very happy with the decision, even the ones who were once sleptical. And some people who haven't switched yet are waiting "patiently" for the new iPhone so they can finally switch.

Biggest complaint I hear from Droid users are that after a year or so the phones become incredibly buggy and battery life sucks.

I'm going on two years with this, my first iPhone, and it works as good as the day I got it.

[Edited 2012-04-18 00:45:42]


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User currently offlinemoo From Falkland Islands, joined May 2007, 4089 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 1761 times:

I've pretty much done it all over the past few years - started out on an iPhone 3G, decided I wanted a change so I switched to a Nokia N900 and used that for 6 months, but that ended up bugging me so much I went back to my iPhone for the rest of the year! Got a HTC Desire in Feb 2011 and stayed with that until I piked up my iphone4S te day they were released - and I am so so glad to be back on an Apple device  

Android has a lot of problems, I kept finding myself just ring frustrated a lot if the time with basic things - why for instance does the Google integration insist on filling up my address book with everyone that Gmail has merely heard of? The browsing experience is significantly worse than Apples as well. Apps seem to accept a lower standard on Andriod as well - the Flixster Apple app is nicely finished and nice to use, while the Android version is much poorer in comparison. Why?

I'm now looking at the Lumia900 for a possible next phone, but let's see  


User currently onlinestealthz From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5743 posts, RR: 44
Reply 3, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 1744 times:
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Quoting moo (Reply 2):
why for instance does the Google integration insist on filling up my address book with everyone that Gmail has merely heard of?

Not sure where that is at.. my Android devices have only the contacts aI synched with my Outlook filewhen I got the devices.

Quoting bananaboy (Thread starter):
- Battery life is horrendous. I'm lucky if I can get 6 hours out of it, at least if I want to use it. (Possibly something to do with crap Vodafone - can't sustain reliable connection even in Sydney CBD!)

That might be a device related thingt... my LG Android phone after 48hrs of heavier than average usage( due to family crisis situation) still had 40% batt avail. Disclaimer, did not use music player and some other batt intensive apps.
Disclaimer 2, this is a 12 mth old phone.



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User currently offlineCXfirst From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 3089 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 1741 times:

Well it is a trade off. There are a lot of functions that Androids can do that iPhone can't. And if you know what functions you need and want, you can probably find a phone that fits.

iPhones are 1 fit for all. Therefore, it is easier for apple to make it stable, as their OS is just for that one phone, with standard screen size, etc, etc.

I am happy with my Samsung Galaxy S2, (having gone from the iPhone 3G), and there are functions that it has, that I don't get with iPhone. When I use any iPhone, the screen seems to small for me, because I'm used to a 4.3in screen.

But, if you just want a phone that works and won't do anything unexpected, the iPhone is the right choice. If you have specific needs, android might be the better choice (depending on the needs).

-CXfirst



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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27313 posts, RR: 60
Reply 5, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 1734 times:

Ive used them all and Im still an iPhone guy. Currently have an iPhone 4S. If I didnt have that I would look at Nokia Lumia and Samsung Galaxy note .

User currently offlineRara From Germany, joined Jan 2007, 2168 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 1722 times:

Don't know any Android-to-iOS switchers, they're pretty convinced of their choice usually.

A colleague of mine switched from iPhone 4 to Galaxy S2 and was happier with it.

I've got to say, though, that after 2.5 years, my original Droid doesn't run half as well as my brother's old iPhone 3GS. It's become incredibly slow while the iPhone still goes strong.



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26812 posts, RR: 75
Reply 7, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 1704 times:

I considered switching to an iPhone as a result of deepening frustration with my carrier, T-Mobile, where the customer service has gone from best to garbage in the course of a year. Then I got a Galaxy S II. I couldn't imagine having a smaller screen, slower processor, more expensive plans, slower networks, a proprietary charger connection and less functionality - as with the iPhone.


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User currently offlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 6119 posts, RR: 14
Reply 8, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 1672 times:

I've had my HTC Incredible for about 2 years now, and while I do have issues with various quirks on it, I have no reason to switch. Actually, the quirks in particular aren't that bad, and only had to do with the micro SD card getting out of alignment somehow. The phone still runs fine, but I lose my ringtone and most of my images until the card sits properly again (Chrome will transfer the photos from the local chip to the removeable chip once it mounts again.) Again, it's a quirk, but not one that is damning enough to go out an buy a new phone that does the same thing.


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User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6457 posts, RR: 38
Reply 9, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 1664 times:

There was a lot of talk about how IceCreamSandwich was going to reduce/eliminate the lag experienced when moving between pages of apps. My friend got a Samsung Galaxy Nexus and it seemed like there was no difference to other Android phones when in comparison, all iPod touches and iPhones continue to flow seamlessly when swiping your finger across the screen. Not only that but the iPhone battery seems to last an age.

I'm wondering if the iPhone 5 will be the phone for me. One thing I've heard from some people about switching from Apple to Android was their hatred of iTunes and having to use iTunes.

Quoting bananaboy (Thread starter):

First piece of advice - get off Vodafone Australia!! I can't believe how they can possibly get away with such poor reception and lack of 3G in many parts of the city.



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User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7834 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 1660 times:

Yup just went from an HTC Desire to an iPhone 4GS, very happy with the iPhone, my HTC used to stop downloading emails every 3rd or 4th week, the it department at work were continuously removing and rebuilding my email account, it got to the point where I was the only person left with an HTC so they threw it away and replaced it with an iPhone, it works a treat, haven't had any issues with it so far, and the battery lasts a couple of days, where my HTC was lucky to last 8 hours.

User currently offlinemoo From Falkland Islands, joined May 2007, 4089 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 1656 times:

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 9):
I'm wondering if the iPhone 5 will be the phone for me. One thing I've heard from some people about switching from Apple to Android was their hatred of iTunes and having to use iTunes.

You can avoid iTunes a lot these days - I use Dropbox to get ebooks into iBooks, you can buy music and videos on the device, even activation is done without iTunes these days.


User currently onlinestealthz From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5743 posts, RR: 44
Reply 12, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 1627 times:
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Quoting moo (Reply 11):
You can avoid iTunes a lot these days - I use Dropbox to get ebooks into iBooks, you can buy music and videos on the device, even activation is done without iTunes these days

If you start to move outside the Apple "ecosystem" does that not put you at risk of becoming part of the "open source" world that seems such an anethema to the "true believers??



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User currently offlinemoo From Falkland Islands, joined May 2007, 4089 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 1624 times:

Quoting stealthz (Reply 12):
If you start to move outside the Apple "ecosystem" does that not put you at risk of becoming part of the "open source" world that seems such an anethema to the "true believers??

Only if your view is that polarised.


User currently offlineANITIX87 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 3309 posts, RR: 13
Reply 14, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week ago) and read 1595 times:
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I've had my Android phone for 18 months. It runs exactly like it did straight out-of-the-box. My only complaint was Android OS 10.2, which wasn't stable. Gingerbread is much, much better.

Most people with smart phones complain about the item slowing down. People seem to forget that these are, above all else, computers. Would you be surprised if your computer slowed down after a few years, especially if you left it on 24 hours a day, 7 days a week? I turn my phone off every night when I go to bed and then turn it on in the morning, and I have never once noticed lag, slow performance, or glitches in my phone. Android is incredibly stable if you realize you're dealing with a computer, not an old analog phone.

As for complaints about battery life, it's much easier to fix on an Android device than on an Apple Device. The single greatest app for Android is "Green Power", which turns off data when your screen is off. I can run 4 days on a single battery charge if I make very few phone calls (but still do my usual heavy load of texting). If I am gaming and making calls, I can run two days easily.

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User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2477 posts, RR: 24
Reply 15, posted (2 years 8 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1573 times:

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 4):
I am happy with my Samsung Galaxy S2, (having gone from the iPhone 3G), and there are functions that it has, that I don't get with iPhone. When I use any iPhone, the screen seems to small for me, because I'm used to a 4.3in screen.

Funny how your perception of the right screen size changes. I've used iPhones, HTCs Nokias, and Samsungs.. right now I have the Galaxy Note with a 5,3' display.. now all other phones seem too small for me..

I agree that many Android phones are crap, but a few top of the lines phones are excellent. So as long as you are aware that you get what you pay for, you should be fine.

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 9):
There was a lot of talk about how IceCreamSandwich was going to reduce/eliminate the lag experienced when moving between pages of apps. My friend got a Samsung Galaxy Nexus and it seemed like there was no difference to other Android phones when in comparison, all iPod touches and iPhones continue to flow seamlessly when swiping your finger across the screen. Not only that but the iPhone battery seems to last an age.

Usually this is due to incompetence by the user or a discount android phone.. my Galaxy Note is running smoothly and it s still running Gingerbread. Some people like to have 7 home screens with a lot of widgets on, not aware that the widgets are battery hogs in many cases. If you are able to think a bit logically, then you should be aware of this and simply avoid over loading your phone with widgets.
Also, people tend to forget that Android offers true multitasking, so if you forget to shut down your programs, then the phone will become laggy at some point when all the memory has been used up. The reason why iPhones are experienced as more smooth is because Apple treats all customers as newbies, and therefore true multitasking is not possible on an iPhone to prevent lagging.

Also, my phone lasts for two full days at normal usage. Better than any other smartphone that I've used except my Samsung Omnia 7 which was on par.

Quoting ANITIX87 (Reply 14):
The single greatest app for Android is "Green Power", which turns off data when your screen is off. I can run 4 days on a single battery charge if I make very few phone calls (but still do my usual heavy load of texting). If I am gaming and making calls, I can run two days easily.

Here, this problem is solved by the volume of the battery in my phone. There's a 2500mAh battery inside it, so pulling some data means nothing.. It's only when the display is on that the phone drains the battery at the same speed as any other smartphone.

[Edited 2012-04-18 08:36:11]

User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 16, posted (2 years 8 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1495 times:

I have the HTC Incredible phone. The first version, but second software.

The problem I have with the software is that it constantly does a software update but never reboots every damn week, it gets annoying.

The second thing I hate about it is that my contacts are missing a lot with the Gmail that I have set up on my phone. One day I'll enter a new contact, a few days later the contact is there but the phone number is missing, or the email address is missing. Or I'll have duplicates. I'm like WTH?!

The battery life is pretty good. I am 7 months away from my 2 year contract expiring on this phone. I have the extended battery on this, so it works well.

Quoting moo (Reply 2):
does the Google integration insist on filling up my address book with everyone that Gmail has merely heard of?

I, too, have that same problem. I hate it! Annoying as hell.



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26812 posts, RR: 75
Reply 17, posted (2 years 8 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1468 times:

Quoting ANITIX87 (Reply 14):
The single greatest app for Android is "Green Power", which turns off data when your screen is off.

As someone who receives and sends emails all day long, that would be detrimental to me.

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 15):
I have the Galaxy Note with a 5,3' display.. now all other phones seem too small for me..

I've played with that. Too big for a phone. I think 4.3" hits a nice sweet spot



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User currently offlineANITIX87 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 3309 posts, RR: 13
Reply 18, posted (2 years 8 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1463 times:
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Quoting N1120A (Reply 17):
As someone who receives and sends emails all day long, that would be detrimental to me.

I get e-mails all day long as well (personal, work, etc). I have Green Power turn off data when my screen is off and then turn it on for 1 minute every half-hour to check e-mail and sync my apps. Then it shuts off again, unless I unlock my screen in the mean time.

Then, for night mode, if my phone is on, I have it check every 3 hours.

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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26812 posts, RR: 75
Reply 19, posted (2 years 8 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1457 times:

Quoting ANITIX87 (Reply 18):
I have Green Power turn off data when my screen is off and then turn it on for 1 minute every half-hour to check e-mail and sync my apps.

That kind of defeats the point of push email, no?



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User currently offlinekngkyle From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 414 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (2 years 8 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1451 times:
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The iPhone not having 4G LTE capability yet is an absolute deal-breaker for me, but I realize most countries don't have 4G LTE yet so it may not be for you. The difference between 3G, 4G, and 4G LTE is just ridiculous though. My download speeds average about 20mbps and upload averages about 7mbps and I have unlimited data. My phone is rooted so I can use the mobile hotspot and tethering for free. I can download a 720p HD TV show or movie and be watching it within a few minutes. Good luck doing that on an iPhone! It's been over a year since I bought my phone and Apple STILL doesn't have a 4G LTE capable phone... but guess they don't need to since people just buy whatever Apple throws at them.

[Edited 2012-04-18 13:53:43]

User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2477 posts, RR: 24
Reply 21, posted (2 years 8 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1436 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 17):
I've played with that. Too big for a phone. I think 4.3" hits a nice sweet spot

Each to his own  


User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21521 posts, RR: 53
Reply 22, posted (2 years 8 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1402 times:

Quoting kngkyle (Reply 20):
The iPhone not having 4G LTE capability yet is an absolute deal-breaker for me, but I realize most countries don't have 4G LTE yet so it may not be for you. The difference between 3G, 4G, and 4G LTE is just ridiculous though. My download speeds average about 20mbps and upload averages about 7mbps and I have unlimited data. My phone is rooted so I can use the mobile hotspot and tethering for free. I can download a 720p HD TV show or movie and be watching it within a few minutes. Good luck doing that on an iPhone!

Which device, and how long does the battery last when you're doing that?

Quoting kngkyle (Reply 20):
It's been over a year since I bought my phone and Apple STILL doesn't have a 4G LTE capable phone... but guess they don't need to since people just buy whatever Apple throws at them.

Maybe downloading huge files in minutes is just not quite as much a priority for most users as good battery life is during all kinds of use.

In a few months with the new LTE chipsets this may cease to be an either-or proposition. Expect the next iPhone to get one of these, preserving most of its excellent battery life in the process.

This is exactly the same issue as with UMTS ("3G") before that: Some manufacturers will add anything just as long as it ticks another box in the specs, others will wait until a new technology is actually mature enough for practical use.

And both play to different audiences.


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26812 posts, RR: 75
Reply 23, posted (2 years 8 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1395 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 22):
Expect the next iPhone to get one of these, preserving most of its excellent battery life in the process.

LOL. Excellent battery life and iPhone don't usually exist in the same sentence.



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User currently offlineeinsteinboricua From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2010, 3377 posts, RR: 8
Reply 24, posted (2 years 8 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1395 times:

Quoting bananaboy (Thread starter):
So, to my question, has anyone made the switch from Android to Apple, and if so, are you glad you did? What do you miss about Android?

I did. I had an Android phone for about 4 months before a friend sold me his iPhone 4. I can honestly say that I like the iPhone lots more.



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21521 posts, RR: 53
Reply 25, posted (2 years 8 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1432 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 23):
LOL. Excellent battery life and iPhone don't usually exist in the same sentence.

Of course they do. In real life, the iPhone has excellent battery life, particularly compared to other smartphones.

This rule is the main reason why the exceptions even make the news.


User currently offlinetugger From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 5785 posts, RR: 10
Reply 26, posted (2 years 8 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 1411 times:

As perhaps a solitary voice in the wilderness (but growing louder   ) I would say check out the Windows Phone universe.
The software works great (certainly no worse than iOS which is also a fine OS) and is easy to learn. The apps catalog is growing daily (MS is even paying to ensure some popular apps are ported as they understand that a healthy app market is critical), almost all the most used and productive apps are already there, and most importantly it is "under control" i.e. apps are screened and have to meet certain requirements. And the same goes for the phone manufacturers.

I have the Lumia 900 and it is doing great so far. I also don't have anything in the Apple Universe (no iTunes etc.) so that makes it easy. The big thing is that there is a huge amount of support from Microsoft so it is not going anywhere but up and going forward it will have support from the largest installed base of programs and programmers (the MS universe).

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User currently offlinecaptaink From Mexico, joined May 2001, 5109 posts, RR: 12
Reply 27, posted (2 years 8 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1400 times:

Quoting tugger (Reply 26):

As perhaps a solitary voice in the wilderness (but growing louder   ) I would say check out the Windows Phone universe.

I will soon join you...

I had a palm pre, love it, but well we all know the how that turned out. Plus it was built quite shoddily. I then went to a Motorola Droid 2 Global. And while I find Android intriguing, having used it on my device an on various others, I do admit it is not for me. I suffer from slight OCD.. I disliked the random force close, the lag, and "loading". I have yet to try a pure android device and I am open and willing to doing so. Nevertheless, I sold my Droid and bought an IP4. IOS 5 is excellent, the phone is fantastic, and lag free. But since this is the year I choose a device that should last at least 2 years, I am going to buy a WP7 device and see how I like it. Ever since WebOS, I simply haven´t found an OS that satisfies me.



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User currently offlineSilver1SWA From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 4860 posts, RR: 25
Reply 28, posted (2 years 8 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1381 times:
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Quoting Klaus (Reply 22):
Quoting kngkyle (Reply 20):It's been over a year since I bought my phone and Apple STILL doesn't have a 4G LTE capable phone... but guess they don't need to since people just buy whatever Apple throws at them.
Maybe downloading huge files in minutes is just not quite as much a priority

   Downloading in general is not a priority for me. I'll download a song here or there on iTunes and on 3G, I'll have it in about 2-3 minutes. I have no problem with that. I don't download large files. If I want to download a movie, I'll do it at home on with my computer or wait til I'm on wi-fi. Not everyone requires speed and large files. I browse the internet on my iPhone...that's the number one function for me and I have no issues with browsing speed. None whatsoever.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 23):
LOL. Excellent battery life and iPhone don't usually exist in the same sentence.

Please, you must be talking about the first couple generations. This has changed.

[Edited 2012-04-18 18:34:07]


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User currently offlineBananaboy From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 1588 posts, RR: 22
Reply 29, posted (2 years 8 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1366 times:

Thanks for the replies.

Quoting moo (Reply 2):
I kept finding myself just ring frustrated a lot if the time with basic things - why for instance does the Google integration insist on filling up my address book with everyone that Gmail has merely heard of?
Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 16):
I, too, have that same problem. I hate it! Annoying as hell.

Yes! I have that too. In addition, the Gmail app auto-suggestsemail addresses that I haven't sent anything to for years. I don't believe there's any way to edit or delete them, either.

Quoting stealthz (Reply 3):
That might be a device related thing
Quoting NZ107 (Reply 9):
get off Vodafone Australia!!

Catch 22 for me here. Vodafone here is total crap. Have paid less than half of the monthly fees to them for the last 18 months because service has been so bad. I don't want to buy the phone off them if it's not that good, nor pay the price they want for it because they themselves have told me that there are "compatibility" issues witht the HTC Desire HD and their network. At the same time, I can't really afford a new phone at the moment, so I'm (semi!) content to not pay for a service I don't get and wait for the contract to expire.

Quoting ANITIX87 (Reply 14):
Would you be surprised if your computer slowed down after a few years, especially if you left it on 24 hours a day, 7 days a week

No, but wouldn't this be a limitation of Android phones in general, and does this happen with iPhones?

Quoting Klaus (Reply 25):
In real life, the iPhone has excellent battery life, particularly compared to other smartphones.

Better half has a 3GS and we use our phones in similar ways. He can still get two days out of his at a push.

Quoting tugger (Reply 26):
I would say check out the Windows Phone universe.

I like the look of them from what I've seen. Not sure I'd be willing to try a new platform though, especially given how my disappointed I am with Android.

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 9):
There was a lot of talk about how IceCreamSandwich was going to reduce/eliminate the lag experienced when moving between pages of apps.

That's part of my annoyance. Apple issue an update and, as far as I can see, it's worldwide, and it's (pretty much) instant. I know Android has to deal with different phone manufacturers, but they issue the update and all there seems to be is speculation as to which phones, which networks, and which countries will get the update. Then you have to wait and wait whilst the networks add their useless software that is often rarely used.

Mark



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User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2477 posts, RR: 24
Reply 30, posted (2 years 8 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1314 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 22):
In a few months with the new LTE chipsets this may cease to be an either-or proposition. Expect the next iPhone to get one of these, preserving most of its excellent battery life in the process.

Just like 'the new ipad' has preserved the battery life of the previous ipad without LTE?

Quoting tugger (Reply 26):
I have the Lumia 900 and it is doing great so far. I also don't have anything in the Apple Universe (no iTunes etc.) so that makes it easy. The big thing is that there is a huge amount of support from Microsoft so it is not going anywhere but up and going forward it will have support from the largest installed base of programs and programmers (the MS universe).

I really like Windows Phone, but I am staying away until Windows Phone 8 comes out during autumn this year, especially as Microsoft won't confirm that current models can be upgraded, which is really unfortunate.


User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21521 posts, RR: 53
Reply 31, posted (2 years 8 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1268 times:

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 30):
Just like 'the new ipad' has preserved the battery life of the previous ipad without LTE?

Yes. What about it?

The iPad as a Personal Hotspot: Over 25 Hours of Continuous Use

The new Retina Display is a much bigger power hog, but the new iPad has effectively retained the battery life of its predecessors. The much bigger battery and the slightly thicker and heavier device shows that battery life was a prime concern even with the Retina Display and one of the older LTE chipsets, but a pocket-sized battery is harder to grow that far without compromising the overall construction.

The new, more efficient chip technology which they're apparently testing already (the new Apple TV has the first optimized A5 chips) will be another contributor to them being able to afford LTE with the similarly optimized new LTE chipsets.

This kind of design is really hard to do well, especially when you don't want to just call it a day after ticking a few nominal boxes in the spec sheet but when you're really trying for a practical device with good real-life capabilities.


User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2477 posts, RR: 24
Reply 32, posted (2 years 8 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1250 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 31):
Yes. What about it?
http://www.engadget.com/2012/03/16/apple-ipad-review-2012/

Apple iPad (2012) 9:52 (HSPA) / 9:37 (LTE)

Apple iPad 2 10:26

This is after installing a much larger battery in the new iPad. Of course the new display consumes much more power, but the end user only cares about the battery life, and on the new iPad, it is worse than with its predecessor.

So how come Apple is doing it right when implementing LTE in its iPad but when it comes to phones, Apple is also doing it right by implementing LTE later on? Which one is it? Where is Apple trailing behind?

[Edited 2012-04-19 06:33:01]

User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21521 posts, RR: 53
Reply 33, posted (2 years 8 months 6 days ago) and read 1233 times:

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 32):
This is after installing a much larger battery in the new iPad. Of course the new display consumes much more power, but the end user only cares about the battery life, and on the new iPad, it is worse than with its predecessor.

In some tests. In some criteria. By a small margin.
In other tests, battery life is the same or better.

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 32):
So how come Apple is doing it right when implementing LTE in its iPad but when it comes to phones, Apple is also doing it right by implementing LTE later on? Which one is it? Where is Apple trailing behind?

Because LTE in phones with the old chipsets is not a matter of a single-digit percentage hit on battery life, but a reduction to a fraction, with phones often not surviving a single day on standby already, and in actual use running down their battery even while plugged in to their charger.

There's at least an order of magnitude between the two, in one case the change being barely perceptible and in the other making the device practically unusable.

The former shows a priority on the actual user experience, the latter a priority on the maximum number of boxes ticked in the spec sheet. Both have their respective different audiences.


User currently offlineRara From Germany, joined Jan 2007, 2168 posts, RR: 2
Reply 34, posted (2 years 8 months 6 days ago) and read 1229 times:

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 32):
So how come Apple is doing it right when implementing LTE in its iPad but when it comes to phones, Apple is also doing it right by implementing LTE later on? Which one is it?

Tsssss   Apple is always right. If you want to know whether a particular technology is mature enough, as yourself one question: has Apple implemented it yet? If yes, then it is. If not, it's not. If yes for the iPad, no for the iPhone: it's mature enough for a tablet, but not for a phone. Never fails.



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21521 posts, RR: 53
Reply 35, posted (2 years 8 months 6 days ago) and read 1227 times:

Quoting Rara (Reply 34):
Tsssss   Apple is always right. If you want to know whether a particular technology is mature enough, as yourself one question: has Apple implemented it yet? If yes, then it is. If not, it's not. If yes for the iPad, no for the iPhone: it's mature enough for a tablet, but not for a phone. Never fails.

Your explanation: It's a conspiracy!

My explanation: Apple tends to deploy new technology only when it's mature enough for practical use (see 3G, 4G).

So particularly when looking at practical experiences with competing products which are or were supposedly "ahead“ of Apple's devices, which one is the more plausible explanation?


User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2477 posts, RR: 24
Reply 36, posted (2 years 8 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1216 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 33):
In other tests, battery life is the same or better.

Sources??

Quoting Klaus (Reply 33):
Because LTE in phones with the old chipsets is not a matter of a single-digit percentage hit on battery life, but a reduction to a fraction, with phones often not surviving a single day on standby already, and in actual use running down their battery even while plugged in to their charger.

So the solution would be to install a larger battery in the phone? I guess Apple's strategy was to postpone LTE to iPhone 5 only so that it would offer something new. Otherwise it might have little new features to offer. But we'll see. Also looking forward to the presentation of the Galaxy SIII.

Quoting Rara (Reply 34):
Tsssss   Apple is always right. If you want to know whether a particular technology is mature enough, as yourself one question: has Apple implemented it yet? If yes, then it is. If not, it's not. If yes for the iPad, no for the iPhone: it's mature enough for a tablet, but not for a phone. Never fails.

  Of course.. why did I even bother asking..


User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21521 posts, RR: 53
Reply 37, posted (2 years 8 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1213 times:

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 36):
Quoting Klaus (Reply 33):
In other tests, battery life is the same or better.

Sources??

Example:
New iPad: A Million More Pixels Than HDTV - Walt Mossberg - Personal Technology - AllThingsD

Quote:
The Battery
Apple claims up to 10 hours of battery life between charges, and up to nine hours if you are relying strictly on cellular connectivity. In my standard battery test, where I play videos back to back with both cellular and Wi-Fi on, and the screen at 75% brightness, the new iPad logged 9 hours and 58 minutes, compared with 10 hours and 9 minutes for the iPad 2. Other tablets died hours sooner in the same test. In more normal use, the new iPad lasted more than a full day, though not as long as the iPad 2 did.
Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 36):
So the solution would be to install a larger battery in the phone?

No. The solution is to work with the chip foundries to cut down power consumption for the Ax main processor and having Qualcomm do the same on their end with the new generation of LTE chipsets due in autumn 2012 so that a substantially larger battery will no longer be needed to maintain effective battery life.

For a pocket device that's pretty much the only way to go if you want a decent user experience in real life.

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 36):
I guess Apple's strategy was to postpone LTE to iPhone 5 only so that it would offer something new. Otherwise it might have little new features to offer.

It still won't cure cancer or create world peace, which will of course make it an instant failure in the blogosphere, just like all its predecessors.   

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 36):
Quoting Rara (Reply 34):
Tsssss   Apple is always right. If you want to know whether a particular technology is mature enough, as yourself one question: has Apple implemented it yet? If yes, then it is. If not, it's not. If yes for the iPad, no for the iPhone: it's mature enough for a tablet, but not for a phone. Never fails.

  Of course.. why did I even bother asking..

Indeed. The same tired, old clichés will always be peddled whenever an opportunity arises.  


User currently offlineRara From Germany, joined Jan 2007, 2168 posts, RR: 2
Reply 38, posted (2 years 8 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1198 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 35):

Your explanation: It's a conspiracy!

Nah, it's just good old fashioned fanboyism..   But that's fine, no problem with that. It's nice that in this day and age, people can still be so hyper over what could be considered a pretty mundane product. I like that.



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21521 posts, RR: 53
Reply 39, posted (2 years 8 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 1192 times:

Quoting Rara (Reply 38):
Nah, it's just good old fashioned fanboyism..

Then you should really try to gain a more objective perspective.

Manufacturers rarely act according to the weird conspiracy theories floating around – their real motivations and priorities are usually much less easy to understand as a layman (such as chip manufacturing technology levels) and much more complex (such as the often very complicated tradeoffs between multiple competing and sometimes mutually exclusive priorities).

Creating multi-purpose devices which actually work well in real life is extremely difficult, particularly when you're working at or near the edge of what's technologically possible. It is tempting to explain all that away with some easy-to-understand conspiracy or the popular explanation that "those people are just stupid!". But in reality it just ain't that simple.

[Edited 2012-04-19 08:50:28]

User currently offlineSilver1SWA From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 4860 posts, RR: 25
Reply 40, posted (2 years 8 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 1187 times:
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It's funny. The haters criticize Apple for not having LTE capability on the iPhone yet, but if Apple had offered it by now, they'd use that opportunity to bash the phone for bad battery life to the point of not being usable or practical.

Haters gonna hate.



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User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2477 posts, RR: 24
Reply 41, posted (2 years 8 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1173 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 37):
Example:

That's without using LTE.. are you not able to find a test where the user is using LTE vs 3G on the iPad 2?

Quoting Klaus (Reply 37):
No. The solution is to work with the chip foundries to cut down power consumption for the Ax main processor and having Qualcomm do the same on their end with the new generation of LTE chipsets due in autumn 2012 so that a substantially larger battery will no longer be needed to maintain effective battery life.

So by that you are saying that Apple used the wrong solution for 'the new ipad'?

Quoting Klaus (Reply 37):
It still won't cure cancer or create world peace, which will of course make it an instant failure in the blogosphere, just like all its predecessors.

Now that's a conspiracy  
Quoting Klaus (Reply 37):
Indeed. The same tired, old clichés will always be peddled whenever an opportunity arises.

What you could expect with your approach to Apple and its competitors in every single debate..

Quoting Silver1SWA (Reply 40):

It's funny. The haters criticize Apple for not having LTE capability on the iPhone yet, but if Apple had offered it by now, they'd use that opportunity to bash the phone for bad battery life to the point of not being usable or practical.

On the other hand you could say that Apple fanboys are bashing other manufacturers for exactly that with or without sources.. so who are the haters?

[Edited 2012-04-19 10:02:07]

User currently offlineSilver1SWA From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 4860 posts, RR: 25
Reply 42, posted (2 years 8 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1155 times:
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Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 41):
On the other hand you could say that Apple fanboys are bashing other manufacturers for exactly that with or without sources.. so who are the haters?

Who's bashing Android?

Who goes trolling through every Apple-related thread to take stabs at Apple and their users? Who makes sure to throw in a word or two about how they hate Apple and their fanboys? It's rarely the Apple "fanboys" who throw the first blow.



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User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2477 posts, RR: 24
Reply 43, posted (2 years 8 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1155 times:

Quoting Silver1SWA (Reply 42):
Who's bashing Android?

Who goes trolling through every Apple-related thread to take stabs at Apple and their users? Who makes sure to throw in a word or two about how they hate Apple and their fanboys? It's rarely the Apple "fanboys" who throw the first blow.

I think both sides are equally bad.


User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21521 posts, RR: 53
Reply 44, posted (2 years 8 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1143 times:

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 43):
I think both sides are equally bad.

So where are the personal digs at or outright personal attacks on users of other systems or forum members in particular on the level you and others routinely lob at Apple users in response to fact-oriented arguments?

Please just quote a few to illustrate your point!

You'll find that the level of abuse from your side by very, very far outmatches any coming from the pro-Apple side, if there even is any in the other direction.

Take this thread here: I argue the facts and the response is the same old "fanboys" and "nothing you say matters anyway because I just know you would never say anything different" response, effectively just evading a topical discussion by summarily dismissing and insulting the other person.


User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2477 posts, RR: 24
Reply 45, posted (2 years 8 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1141 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 44):
So where are the personal digs at or outright personal attacks on users of other systems or forum members in particular on the level you and others routinely lob at Apple users in response to fact-oriented arguments?

Routinely? When is the last time I took part in a debate like this? On the other hand, I remember that you have been participating in just about all of them for years.

You didn't even answer the relevant questions that I asked you.

And by the way, I own both Apple, Google and Microsoft products, so quit the baseless accusations. I just want a fair debate with critical eyes on all manufacturers unlike you it seems.

[Edited 2012-04-19 11:19:14]

User currently offlineAeroflot001 From Argentina, joined Oct 2009, 412 posts, RR: 0
Reply 46, posted (2 years 8 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1102 times:

Quoting Silver1SWA (Reply 1):
Biggest complaint I hear from Droid users are that after a year or so the phones become incredibly buggy and battery life sucks.

I second that complaint. My HTC Evo shift became buggy after a year although I had already made plans to switch to the 4S anyhow. I do keep the phone updated because it may be used by my sister soon since she lost her blackberry, the physical qwerty keyboard on the phone has also turned laggy as well.

I am happy with my 4S and also very happy that sprint authorized me to unlock it for international use. I can now buy a local pay as you buy simcard and pop it into the phone and enjoy much cheaper rates than roaming. Very satisfied with the iPhone and it does seem that the world is built for iPhones it seems that Android support is always lacking for some reason bu that could just be me.


User currently offlineRara From Germany, joined Jan 2007, 2168 posts, RR: 2
Reply 47, posted (2 years 8 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 1023 times:

Quoting Aeroflot001 (Reply 46):
it does seem that the world is built for iPhones it seems that Android support is always lacking for some reason bu that could just be me.

While Android has more users, there's much more money to be made from iPhone users. They pay up more willingly, are more affluent, less likely to use (or have) free alternatives, and so on. My brother works for a app design company, they make their money with apps themselves. They develop for Android and iOS, but put much more effort into the iOS version. When you use their apps side-by-side, it shows. Reason is that iOS has much more potential to generate revenue.



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