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3 Communist Presidential Candidates In France  
User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6618 posts, RR: 9
Posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2417 times:

First, a little context : the 1st round of the election is next Sunday, the 2nd round two weeks later. The likely winner is socialist François Hollande, beating incumbent conservative Nicolas Sarkozy by an historic landslide (or rather, a "peopleslide", since it's a direct election).

There are 8 other candidates, a lower number than in previous elections, but an average number for the 5th Republic. Among them, 3 are communist and wish for a revolution : Jean-Luc Mélenchon, Philippe Poutou and Nathalie Arthaud.

Philippe Poutou, of the New Anticapitalist Party, made an impression (a good one) the other day on national TV by telling how he enjoys holding his factory's bosses hostage with his friends. He works for Ford. He also attracted sympathy by saying that every morning he's really disappointed to discover he's still a candidate and needs to campaign. He wants to "dégager" Sarkozy, like Ben Ali. He's credited with 1 to 2% of the vote.

Nathalie Arthaud, of Worker's Struggle, wants to abolish the free market economy, and sings the praises of the dictatorship of the proletariat. No one knows what differentiates her from Poutou, and she's credited with 0,5 to 1% of the vote.

Jean-Luc Mélenchon is another story. He's the candidate of several unified parties, including the Communist Party, called together the Left Front. He's been rising sharply in the polls for the last two months, and manages to bring more than 100,000 supporters on a weekly basis at his meetings around the country, from the heart of Paris to a beach in Marseille. He's now fighting with the extreme right Marine Le Pen for the third position, polling between 13 and 17%. He's very good at speaking with lyricism and strength, something of importance for French voters, and calls for a "citizen's revolution", protectionism, "taking everything" above 360,000€ of revenue per year. He's really the revelation of this campaign.

What are your thoughts about that situation, which I think is rather unique in the western world ?


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User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8840 posts, RR: 24
Reply 1, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2402 times:

It shows that, in spite of a century of experience showing that Communism does not work and can not work, you still have idiots stupid enough to want to try it.


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User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8961 posts, RR: 40
Reply 2, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2387 times:

Quoting Aesma (Thread starter):
What are your thoughts about that situation, which I think is rather unique in the western world ?

Let's see. . .

Quoting Aesma (Thread starter):
he enjoys holding his factory's bosses hostage with his friends
Quoting Aesma (Thread starter):
He wants to "dégager" Sarkozy
Quoting Aesma (Thread starter):
sings the praises of the dictatorship of the proletariat

Yeah, real nice folks there  

Nothing but violent thugs.

[Edited 2012-04-19 09:11:53]


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User currently offlineflanker From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1635 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2361 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 1):
It shows that, in spite of a century of experience showing that Communism does not work and can not work, you still have idiots stupid enough to want to try it.

Whatever, let them rot. I am done feeling sorry for societies like that. Same crap in my birth country. 50 years of communism and oppression all they can think about is how to get a free lunch.

[Edited 2012-04-19 09:27:12]


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User currently offlinealoges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8706 posts, RR: 43
Reply 4, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2358 times:

Quoting Aesma (Thread starter):
What are your thoughts about that situation, which I think is rather unique in the western world ?

They do remind me of Germany's own "Left Party" (that is its actual name), which feeds on envy and disappointment. IMHO, it is completely unelectable and so are the three people whom you described. However, it's sort of quaint to see old ideals like the "dictatorship of the proletariat" in the media again.   

I do agree that far too many risks and losses have been socialised while benefits and profits have remained private (or become so), but calls for revolution etc. are not helpful at all. Speaking of violence, is there any indication that we may see the banlieue on fire in the coming days?



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User currently onlinealberchico From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 2918 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2362 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 1):
It shows that, in spite of a century of experience showing that Communism does not work and can not work, you still have idiots stupid enough to want to try it.

These people for the most part don't have a realistic chance of actually winning an election so they are not a serious threat.

The big problem for France would be a far right nationalist like Le Pen. In 2002 he actually made it into the second round.



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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21571 posts, RR: 55
Reply 6, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2353 times:

Quoting Aesma (Thread starter):
What are your thoughts about that situation, which I think is rather unique in the western world ?

Well, they all sound like delightful people (and I say that with the utmost sarcasm), but I wouldn't think much about them unless they actually manage to get somewhere in the election.

-Mir



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User currently offlineSOBHI51 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jun 2003, 3468 posts, RR: 17
Reply 7, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2326 times:
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Aesma
Those 3 people have no chance in hell to win, can i ask you for your opinion on the favorite Francois Holland?



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User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2821 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2322 times:

Quoting Aesma (Thread starter):
made an impression (a good one) the other day on national TV by telling how he enjoys holding his factory's bosses hostage with his friends

Then he is a big moron.

Quoting Aesma (Thread starter):
He also attracted sympathy by saying that every morning he's really disappointed to discover he's still a candidate

So what's the point in running for presidency, then? What is this dude doing in the French political landscape?? What a waste of energy, time and money.

Quoting Aesma (Thread starter):
He wants to "dégager" Sarkozy

He chose the wrong strategy.

Quoting Aesma (Thread starter):
He's credited with 1 to 2% of the vote.

That's all he deserves.

Quoting Aesma (Thread starter):
Nathalie Arthaud, of Worker's Struggle, wants to abolish the free market economy, and sings the praises of the dictatorship of the proletariat. No one knows what differentiates her from Poutou, and she's credited with 0,5 to 1% of the vote.

I don't even know what to say about her. She probably grew up skipping history classes...

Quoting Aesma (Thread starter):
Jean-Luc Mélenchon is another story

Because he talks louder than the others. That's all.



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User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6618 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2284 times:

So, nobody is finding it folkloric and fun ?

Quoting SOBHI51 (Reply 7):
Those 3 people have no chance in hell to win, can i ask you for your opinion on the favorite Francois Holland?

Hollande is a little bit boring, but after Sarkozy, it's what people need (just talking about the figure, not the policies). He speaks better than Sarkozy, and is more an establishment type (he graduated from ENA, the national school of administration, Sarkozy tried but wasn't accepted). He has a strong reputation of compromise, it's where he excelled during his ten years tenure as secretary of the socialist party. So you can expect him to compromise with Mélenchon, maybe with a few communist ministers, along with green and maybe centrist ones. He will certainly do what he promises on the societal agenda (same-sex marriage and adoption for same-sex couples, right to die, right to vote at local elections for immigrants), because he will probably not manage to deliver on the economic side (Sarkozy wouldn't do better, mind you).

Quoting aloges (Reply 4):
Speaking of violence, is there any indication that we may see the banlieue on fire in the coming days?

Not at all, unless maybe if Sarkozy is reelected. If it's Hollande, then the banlieues, just like everybody else, will wait and see what happens. I don't think Hollande would do anything that would upset the banlieues, however when they break into violence it's often after an incident, typically when a youth or two are killed in a police chase. Hollande has been campaigning in the banlieues and well received, when Sarkozy can only go with an army of policemen around him.

If Hollande is forced to implement austerity, you can be sure that after the summer holidays, there will be big strikes, however.



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User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14011 posts, RR: 62
Reply 10, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2257 times:

Being true communists and rivals, they´ll be at their throats shortly...
I need to get some popcorn to watch the factional fights over semantics.

Quoting Aesma (Reply 9):
Quoting SOBHI51 (Reply 7):
Those 3 people have no chance in hell to win, can i ask you for your opinion on the favorite Francois Holland?

Hollande is a little bit boring, but after Sarkozy, it's what people need (just talking about the figure, not the policies). He speaks better than Sarkozy, and is more an establishment type (he graduated from ENA, the national school of administration, Sarkozy tried but wasn't accepted). He has a strong reputation of compromise, it's where he excelled during his ten years tenure as secretary of the socialist party. So you can expect him to compromise with Mélenchon, maybe with a few communist ministers, along with green and maybe centrist ones. He will certainly do what he promises on the societal agenda (same-sex marriage and adoption for same-sex couples, right to die, right to vote at local elections for immigrants), because he will probably not manage to deliver on the economic side (Sarkozy wouldn't do better, mind you).

I suspect that his answer to the Euro crisis will be "let´s continue as before and let the Boches pay for it".

Jan


User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2821 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2234 times:

Quoting Aesma (Reply 9):
He speaks better than Sarkozy

I find them to be good speakers, in their own way. But no one is better than the other.

Quoting Aesma (Reply 9):
he graduated from ENA, the national school of administration

It's never been a quality!   

Quoting Aesma (Reply 9):
So you can expect him to compromise with Mélenchon

I thought Mélenchon was not seeking a position in the government? I'm not sure those two really appreciate eachother. After all, Mélenchon left the Socialist Party because it was veering too liberal (lol) and that was after 10 years of Hollande's presidency.

I might be wrong, though.

Quoting Aesma (Reply 9):
along with green and maybe centrist ones

The green party does not weigh much this year, so I'm sure Hollande can do without them.

For the centrists, Bayrou will let his voters to choose the candidate they want.

In any case, if Hollande is elected, I certainly do NOT want the same crap like in 1997. If you want to rule this country, do it with your people.

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 10):
let´s continue as before and let the Boches pay for it

We don't use that word anymore...



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User currently offlinefrancoflier From France, joined Oct 2001, 3750 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2199 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 1):
you still have idiots stupid enough to want to try it.

Mostly young idealists without a clue. The worst of all is that you'll find them voting for right wing parties in 20-30 years time when they've gotten comfy jobs and incomes...

Quoting alberchico (Reply 5):
The big problem for France would be a far right nationalist like Le Pen. In 2002 he actually made it into the second round.

LePen and her hard right party will never get to power. Our 2 rounds / absolute majority election system makes sure of that.

Quoting Aesma (Reply 9):
So, nobody is finding it folkloric and fun ?

I find it depressing. With everything that's happening around us, it seems we're focusing on completely unimportant issues and playing ostrich with the rest.


As for Hollande, for all it's niceness and likeability, he won't be able to make the important and unpopular decisions which need be made to ensure the economic growth and competitiveness.
Sarkozy did make some hard fought reforms, and even then, they were just a shy fraction of what really needs to be done.

We're taking on water and we're debating about which song the band should play and what should be served for dinner.



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User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14011 posts, RR: 62
Reply 13, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2157 times:

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 11):
Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 10):
let´s continue as before and let the Boches pay for it

We don't use that word anymore...

possible, but from what I´ve heard Hollande is going to follow a "let´s continue as before" policy and who is going to pay for it?
Most likely Germany through the EU.
And he will encourage the other Southern European countries to do so as well.

Jan


User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8840 posts, RR: 24
Reply 14, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 2136 times:

Quoting Confuscius (Reply 13):
Don't know 'bout that, the People's Republic of China is doing just fine. 

Doing well after they backed away from Communism and allowed people to make money for themselves. All they have kept from communism is the one-party totalitarianism and the fact that the state still owns a lot of industries (the worst-run ones).

Quoting Confuscius (Reply 13):
Even the U.S. have communists in government. 

We do, but that does not mean they can impose communism (nationalize all industry and business, central planning, elimination of opposing parties, etc)



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User currently offlineiakobos From Belgium, joined Aug 2003, 3313 posts, RR: 35
Reply 15, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2015 times:

Quoting francoflier (Reply 12):
As for Hollande, for all it's niceness and likeability, he won't be able to make the important and unpopular decisions which need be made to ensure the economic growth and competitiveness.

Beside the (typically French) personnality race, turning the wheel to port is the last thing the boat France needs at this juncture.
Steady 10° to starboard helmsman, whatever the name of the Captain.


User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14011 posts, RR: 62
Reply 16, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1999 times:

From having talked to French colleagues, it seems that the biggest rift in France is the discrepancy in working conditions between the private sector and the public (or formerly public) companies with their strong unions.
The later are exceptionally wellpaid, generally can´t be fired and retire early, while the employees of the private sector get less pay, have longer working hours and often only have time limited contracts.
The socialist party under Hollande is AFAIK very much connected with the public sector unions, who want to return to the old status.

Jan


User currently offlinezkojq From New Zealand, joined Sep 2011, 1192 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1999 times:

Quoting Aesma (Thread starter):
What are your thoughts about that situation, which I think is rather unique in the western world ?

Not really so unique is it? Just like any country, France has its extremist candidates: In the USA its Rick Santorum, In Australia its Pauline Hanson, In New Zealand it is Hone Harawira and in France its the three people mentioned above plus Marine Le Pen.
I think its often beneficial to have a few minor-extremist parties on the left and right of a nation's political spectrum because it keeps the major parties firmly close to the center. In contrast when a political system only has a couple of parties which cover a broader spectrum, extremist ideas/policies tend to get more easily absorbed into the larger parties which have a high chance of winning the election and implementing them.

Additionally having the small extremist parties removes extremist stigmas that the other large parties might otherwise carry. For example: In France voting for the PS isn't going to get you called a communist because if you were a communist you would vote for Mélenchon, Arthaud or Poutou.

Quoting alberchico (Reply 5):
These people for the most part don't have a realistic chance of actually winning an election so they are not a serious threat.

Exactly, but when they say idiotic stuff while campaigning it gives the rest of us something to laugh at.

Quoting alberchico (Reply 5):
The big problem for France would be a far right nationalist like Le Pen. In 2002 he actually made it into the second round.

Technically its a she.  Its a good thing that France has a runoff vote, I think more countries should do so.

Quoting Aesma (Reply 9):
So, nobody is finding it folkloric and fun ?


I am. I find what they say funny though I also find it rather sad that they seem to believe it.



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User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6618 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1986 times:

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 10):
I suspect that his answer to the Euro crisis will be "let´s continue as before and let the Boches pay for it".

What is Germany paying for, exactly ?

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 11):
I find them to be good speakers, in their own way. But no one is better than the other.

Sure, Sarkozy manages to read a speech someone has written for him, but I was thinking about the way he speaks naturally. Too much like a layman for my taste. And of course I'm not mentioning the famous blunders he made.

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 11):
It's never been a quality!

You don't have to be from ENA, but the problem with Sarkozy is that he holds a personal grudge against the school. So he chose to put morons as ministers because they were his friends.

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 11):
I thought Mélenchon was not seeking a position in the government?

Indeed he isn't, but the Communist Party is another story. Mélenchon is betting that Hollande will soon be in trouble and wants to benefit from that by not being a part of it. A little bit like Bayrou in 2007, however that didn't work.

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 11):
In any case, if Hollande is elected, I certainly do NOT want the same crap like in 1997. If you want to rule this country, do it with your people.

Remember you have legislative elections to win, so compromises have to be made. But maybe not too much, if Hollande scores historically high, which seems to be the trend.

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 13):
possible, but from what I´ve heard Hollande is going to follow a "let´s continue as before" policy and who is going to pay for it?

If by "as before" you mean the current trend of more taxes and cutting loopholes, then yes it's indeed his program, with an objective of 3% deficit soon, and 0% for 2017 (Sarkozy says 2016, not a big difference).

Quoting iakobos (Reply 15):
Beside the (typically French) personality race, turning the wheel to port is the last thing the boat France needs at this juncture.

Most of the left wing policies in his program are societal and won't have any effect on the economy. For the rest, the French don't think the situation is that bad (a little bit like the Americans, it seems), so nobody could be elected by promising austerity. And it's arguable that austerity is bringing depression to the EU.

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 16):
The later are exceptionally wellpaid, generally can´t be fired and retire early, while the employees of the private sector get less pay, have longer working hours and often only have time limited contracts.

Those are clichés. Public sector employees are paid less than the European average (before the crisis anyway, with the slashing in various countries it might have changed, but with the same education, you'll always get more in the private sector), professors for example are paid something like half what they get in Germany. As for working hours, it's the same for everyone in France, 35 hours. Time limited contracts are indeed a calamity, and in fact many work in administrations with such a contract, not being technically public sector employees. But abusing this is illegal and the state has lost cases, so after 3 such contracts they must get a life contract. Private companies continue to abuse it, or people just get from job to job.



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User currently offlineDreadnought From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 8840 posts, RR: 24
Reply 19, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1977 times:

Quoting Aesma (Reply 18):
they must get a life contract

And...you think that life contracts should exist?



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User currently offlinefalstaff From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 6089 posts, RR: 29
Reply 20, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1968 times:
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Quoting zkojq (Reply 17):
In the USA its Rick Santorum

He is nolonger running for president.

Quoting francoflier (Reply 12):
The worst of all is that you'll find them voting for right wing parties in 20-30 years time when they've gotten comfy jobs and incomes...

That is good news. I love it when lefties figure out that liberalism doesn't work and switch sides. It happened to me, when I was about 21, and a lot of other people I know. It is fantastic when people who work hard to earn a living and become sucessfull get upset at having to support those that don't work hard and only leech of society.



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User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6618 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1947 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 19):
And...you think that life contracts should exist?

Well, that's precisely the perk obtained in exchange for low salaries. I think the contract is not the problem, but the fact that it's almost impossible to get fired. For example, a very very bad teacher that clearly doesn't even try to teach should get canned, but that doesn't happen. On the other hand my father with his Ph.D and my mother with her master would have to be paid far more than they are if they didn't get job security.



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User currently offlineslider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6803 posts, RR: 34
Reply 22, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1942 times:

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 1):
It shows that, in spite of a century of experience showing that Communism does not work and can not work, you still have idiots stupid enough to want to try it.

Exactly right.

Listen to me now: if France goes more to the left, they're digging their own grave. the EU is on tricky ground as it is and a nation as large as France needs to pay heed to what's going on around it lest they become Greece. Hell, the US is on its way to becoming Greece and we too are not heeding the signs. France isn't not only unheeding those signs, they're deliberately ignoring them at their own peril.

German hegemony is almost guaranteed if France slides more to the left.


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10893 posts, RR: 37
Reply 23, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1929 times:

François Hollande - Petit Rappel - Image d'Archives
A quick reminder - archive images

Ou comment se vanter d'être payé à ne rien faire et reconnaitre que l'on est un privilégié
or how to brag about getting paid to do nothing and admit to being one of the privileged few

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wL92hevP8P8

Word to word translation

Quote F. Hollande:
"If I was no longer a Deputy (Representative) I would go back to being a Referender Councilor at the Court of Audits ( inspection of financial records).
What does it mean? It means that if I was doing absolutely nothing at the Court of Audits I would still keep on earning 15,000 Francs a month, 25,000 if I did some publications but without even needing to do too many. I could measure out my work load, stay home when I am tired, go to my office at the Court of Audits to make phone calls, in short I would be totally free, I would be a true elite (favoured) the same I was before I became a Deputy."

  

Are they really going to vote this guy to be the President of France for the next 5 years?

Take note that François Hollande is a long time member of Le Siècle along with several other executive members of the Franch Socialist Party. Le Siècle is an elitist private Think Tank that meets every week for lavish dinners on the Place de la Concorde. Its members are right wing as well as left wing. Top politicians, CEOs, bankers, investors, influential members of the media, etc.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/50705455/le-siecle


 Wow!

[Edited 2012-04-20 08:06:46]


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User currently offlineslider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6803 posts, RR: 34
Reply 24, posted (2 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1930 times:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...lims-mobilizing-to-unseat-sarkozy/

One more added wrinkle to this: the immigrant and Islam issue in France.

Sarkozy is being attacked vigorously by the Muslims for his position; France will lose its culture if it's not careful. The influx is already out of control with zero assimilation and more leftist candidates and positions will back down from his position, which is rightful.

This is but a small but critical chapter in the war for Western Civilization that few seem to udnerstand we're in the middle of, much less fighting.


25 Post contains links Dreadnought : Check out what's happening in Belgium (Belgistan?) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDKk15KcqNk&feature=email .
26 Post contains images MadameConcorde : Hollande said he would legalize all illegal aliens, facilitate immigration and withdraw the word "race" from the French Constitution as soon as he get
27 falstaff : He is nolonger running for president. That is good news. I love it when lefties figure out that liberalism doesn't work and switch sides. It happened
28 Post contains links slider : http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...lims-mobilizing-to-unseat-sarkozy/ One more added wrinkle to this: the immigrant and Islam issue in France. Sar
29 Post contains images MadameConcorde : Your link is broken. Oops, we can't seem to find that page Why not try searching for it using our site search. Or check out one of our other pages...
30 Aesma : You may not know this, but the French president has been right-wing since 1995, and the government since 2002. Going left after that is not exactly s
31 francoflier : It seems as if my fellow countymen and women are still living on a cloud, or have their head firmly burried in the ground. Sad but true. Germany is s
32 MadameConcorde : Dislike not hate. I must say I rather like Carla Bruni. She has had a positive influence on him. Sarkozy is bad enough - Hollande is much worse. Holl
33 MD11Engineer : We are not interested in hegemony. We are not even interested to become leaders in the crisis (though it looks as if somebody has to do the job and t
34 SOBHI51 : Thank you, i was more interested in his foreign policy, mainly the middle east and Syria.
35 PHX787 : A little off-topic but I wanna see in comparison to the communists who are running for president: What percentage of people in France actually like Sa
36 iakobos : What happens inside the skull of a dozen beings is hardly representative in a community of millions; however viewers/readers spending minutes of thei
37 francoflier : 27% according to the latest polls. Which is the same as for Hollande, btw. But during a Sarko vs. Hollande second round, it is expected that those wh
38 Aesma : I don't know what that means. If France, Spain, Italy and others don't follow Germany, I'd say German influence is pretty weak ! Hollande pledges to
39 zkojq : I am aware of that. Care to elaborate?
40 MD11Engineer : Well, if it is I don´t notice anything about it. My boss has problems finding enough qualified staff and plans to expand this year (with new custome
41 Aesma : That doesn't mean much. There is the same situation in my sector (IT), I'm getting job offers every day. The country's growth is still at something l
42 Post contains images MadameConcorde : Frist round of election results are starting to appear in French and English via coded messages on Twitter #iciLondres Not sure how reliable/serious t
43 Aesma : I like how everybody on television knows the results but must save face till 20h.
44 Post contains images L410Turbolet : Fun? Not really... considering what they represent. Folkloric? Perhaps but I wonder if anyone would dare to ask whether it's "fun" to have three nazi
45 Post contains images MadameConcorde : First official estimates at polls closing 20h00 (8.00 PM) Publié le dimanche 22 avril 2012 à 20H00 François Hollande : 28,5% Nicolas Sarkozy : 25,5
46 Post contains images NoUFO : No, it is still growing*, albeit less than in the previous year. I don't worry about Hollande too much, but I'd feel bad about Marine Le Pen's 20 per
47 Post contains images MadameConcorde : Suppose Hollande wins the second round of the election. He does not have a legitimate wife. He has a girlfriend. Hollande is the father of 3 children
48 NoUFO : So what?
49 MadameConcorde : I just said it is something never seen before.
50 Aesma : They represent an ideology that wants equality. They don't represent what Staline or Mao did. On the other hand the nazi's ideology was racist, so no
51 L410Turbolet : Ideology that left a pile of 100 million dead behind the communist pursuit of their so called "equality". Is it not enough? Geez, where do we hear th
52 ltbewr : At least in France unlike the USA, you have a real range of choices of parties and candidates and don't have the stupidity of our money wins elections
53 mercure1 : Well out in the Pacific, its interesting to watch what metropolitan France is doing. Sarko sent extra €60mil “advance” to meet administrative op
54 Post contains images MadameConcorde : Not a done deal yet. % official counts as of this morning 8.00 AM Hollande 28.6 Sarkozy 27.6 Did not vote 19.6 Le Pen 18.1 Melenchon 11.13 Bayrou 9.1
55 Aesma : None of them. If there is a leader, then it's not communism to begin with. French communists don't condone what has been done in the name of communis
56 zkojq : Its vert I never liked Segolene anyway. For starters, she refused to renounce the actions of her brother who participated in the bombing of the Rainbo
57 AF1624 : I'm can't wait for the presidential debate to start. Sarkozy is going to crush Hollande. Actually, crush is a euphemism. I can already picture Sarkozy
58 Aesma : We must not be talking about the same man. Why would he be calm, when he faces the end of his career ? Really Hollande has nothing to gain from the d
59 Post contains links and images MadameConcorde : F. Hollande is now chasing after Le Pen's voters saying half of them are in fact left-wing oriented. Hollande: "une part" de l'électorat FN "vient de
60 AF1624 : --> ... I guess that says it all.
61 imiakhtar : By the same token, neither does unbridled capitalism.
62 Dreadnought : There is no country I know of in the world which has unbridled capitalism.
63 imiakhtar : The "communist" regimes of the past you referred to were a betrayal of the works of Marx and Engels and nothing but cults of personality. I guess in
64 Post contains images MadameConcorde : Some of these are already making the big time on French websites, facebook, etc. I am sure there will be some for Sarkozy also but considering he's ha
65 Post contains images Dreadnought : LOL, what a turkey! I haven't followed French politics for a few years (But I was a huge fan of 'Les Guignols d L'Info' years ago - where I learned m
66 Post contains images PHX787 : I have got to learn french :/ Could you possibly translate for us?
67 Aesma : That's not chasing them. Chasing them is promising to do things they want. I didn't hear him say anything different than before, and certainly nothin
68 Dreadnought : Pinochet was a dictator. Power concentrated at the state level. That's more akin to socialism than capitalism. Popular culture likes to paint fascism
69 Post contains images OzGlobal : Aww, c'mon. The US get to have more than their fair share of nut jobs in the line up. Can't France have a few lunatic fringe guys to make it interesti
70 Aesma : Exactly my point about what has been done in the name of communism.
71 slider : True- but the economic strength means Germany WILL and IS getting pulled into it. Like dominoes, Greece is but the tip of the iceberg. You are in Fra
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