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F1 2012: Bahrain Grand Prix  
User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10893 posts, RR: 37
Posted (2 years 4 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 1671 times:

2012 Bahrain F1 Grand Prix: most controversial race of the season.
As bad as some aspects of the question may be I would prefer we don't mix sports with politics.

F1 2012: Bahrain Grand Prix April 20-22
Bahrain International Circuit, Sakhir
Circuit Length 6.299kms - 49 laps
Circuit Turns 23
Circuit Direction Clockwise

It feels like a brand new circuit that the cars are using today, as the current layout has not been used since 2009. A special 'loop' was included in 2010 to mark 60 years of Formula One but we're back on what is frankly the better layout

It's go for Free practice 1. Results/times to be posted later.

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Free practice 1

Pos Driver Team Time

1 Hamilton GBR McLaren 1'33.572
2 Vettel GER Red Bull 1'33.877
3 di Resta GBR Force India 1'34.150
4 Rosberg GER Mercedes 1'34.249
5 Button GBR McLaren 1'34.277
6 Hülkenberg GER Force India 1'34.344
7 Schumacher GER Mercedes 1'34.483
8 Webber AUS Red Bull 1'34.552
9 Räikkönen FIN Lotus 1'34.609
10 Grosjean FRA Lotus 1'34.847
11 Perez MEX Sauber 1'35.024
12 Maldonado VEN Williams 1'35.268
13 Alonso ESP Ferrari 1'35.436
14 Bottas FIN Williams 1'35.497
15 Massa BRA Ferrari 1'35.719
16 Kobayashi JPN Sauber 1'35.929
17 Vergne FRA Toro Rosso 1'36.195
18 Kovalainen FIN Caterham 1'36.330
19 Petrov RUS Caterham 1'36.484
20 Ricciardo AUS Toro Rosso 1'36.591
21 Pic FRA Marussia 1'37.467
22 Glock GER Marussia 1'38.006
23 de la Rosa ESP HRT 1'38.877
24 Karthikeyan IND HRT 1'39.996

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Few people in the grandstands. Friday is Muslim prayer day. They go to the Mosque.
It was a big question booking cheaper non-refundable air tickets and hotel not knowing if the race was going to go on or not - not wanting a repeat of 2011. Probably prevented a lot of us from going this time.

Free practice 2 April 20 - 14:00 local | 11:00 GMT | 13:00 CEST (in a couple of hours time)

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[Edited 2012-04-20 01:43:58]


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User currently offlinestealthz From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5689 posts, RR: 44
Reply 1, posted (2 years 4 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1630 times:
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Quoting MadameConcorde (Thread starter):
I would prefer we don't mix sports with politics.

That may be a noble preference but by choosing to go to Bahrain F1 has firmly hitched itself to to the politics of the region.

Quoting MadameConcorde (Thread starter):
Few people in the grandstands. Friday is Muslim prayer day.

It will be interesting to see how full the grandstands are later in the weekend, I guess we will have to wait for independent reports to inform us though. I can expect that FOM will control the video feed to ensure that scenes of empty grandstands and vacant viewing areas do not get seen around the world.

Back to racing.. 35min into FP2 the top 8 places include Merc, McLaren, RBR and Sauber, seems we are starting to get a picture of the quick teams.



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User currently offlinemoo From Falkland Islands, joined May 2007, 3912 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (2 years 4 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1624 times:

Quoting stealthz (Reply 1):
That may be a noble preference but by choosing to go to Bahrain F1 has firmly hitched itself to to the politics of the region.

If thats the case, then anything the FIA chose to do would make them "firmly hitched to the politics of the region." because not going would certainly be a political choice as well.


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10893 posts, RR: 37
Reply 3, posted (2 years 4 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1622 times:

Quoting stealthz (Reply 1):
That may be a noble preference but by choosing to go to Bahrain F1 has firmly hitched itself to to the politics of the region.

This F1 race is a big deal for the Bahrain Monarchy. $500 Million.

I opened another thread to discuss the political aspect of the Grand Prix taking place in Bahrain this weekend.

Should The Bahrain F1 Grand Prix Be Cancelled? (by MadameConcorde Apr 20 2012 in Non Aviation)

  

The McLarens look strong indeed but this is practice not the race.

  



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10893 posts, RR: 37
Reply 4, posted (2 years 4 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 1610 times:

Free practice 2

Pos Driver Team Time

1 Rosberg GER Mercedes 1'32.816
2 Webber AUS Red Bull 1'33.262
3 Vettel GER Red Bull 1'33.525
4 Hamilton GBR McLaren 1'33.747
5 Schumacher GER Mercedes 1'33.862
6 Button GBR McLaren 1'34.246
7 Kobayashi JPN Sauber 1'34.411
8 Alonso ESP Ferrari 1'34.449
9 Grosjean FRA Lotus 1'34.615
10 Perez MEX Sauber 1'34.893
11 Ricciardo AUS Toro Rosso 1'34.895
12 Massa BRA Ferrari 1'34.941
13 Räikkönen FIN Lotus 1'35.183
14 Vergne FRA Toro Rosso 1'35.229
15 Maldonado VEN Williams 1'35.459
16 Petrov RUS Caterham 1'35.913
17 Kovalainen FIN Caterham 1'35.968
18 Senna BRA Williams 1'36.169
19 Glock GER Marussia 1'36.587
20 Pic FRA Marussia 1'37.803
21 de la Rosa ESP HRT 1'37.812
22 Karthikeyan IND HRT 1'39.649
23 di Resta GBR Force India -
24 Hülkenberg GER Force India -

  



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User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8443 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (2 years 4 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 1601 times:

I'm part way through reading No Angel: The secret life of Bernie Ecclestone. I suggest some here read that to see why races are held in places like Bahrain, even with their civil unrest. Don't forget that Bernie got the teams to race in apartheid era South Africa.

User currently offlinesudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (2 years 4 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1543 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Thread starter):
I would prefer we don't mix sports with politics.

In that case the whole F1 concept can pack it up and go home, permanently.



When in doubt, flat out!
User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10893 posts, RR: 37
Reply 7, posted (2 years 4 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1517 times:

Free practice 3

Driver Teams Time

1 N Rosberg (GER) Mercedes 1'33.254
2 S Vettel (GER) Red Bull 1'33.401
3 M Webber (AUS) Red Bull 1'33.663
4 LC Hamilton (GBR) McLaren 1'33.782
5 M Schumacher (GER) Mercedes 1'33.796
6 J Button (GBR) McLaren 1'33.899
7 KM Räikkönen (FIN) Lotus 1'33.976
8 D Ricciardo (AUS) Toro Rosso 1'34.197
9 R Grosjean (FRA) Lotus 1'34.401
10 F Alonso (ESP) Ferrari 1'34.895
11 P Maldonado (VEN) Williams 1'34.918
12 JE Vergne (FRA) Toro Rosso 1'34.977
13 S Perez (MEX) Sauber 1'35.067
14 K Kobayashi (JPN) Sauber 1'35.128
15 P di Resta (GBR) Force India 1'35.336
16 F Massa (BRA) Ferrari 1'35.536
17 B Senna (BRA) Williams 1'35.623
18 H Kovalainen (FIN) Caterham 1'35.694
19 N Hülkenberg (GER) Force India 1'35.773
20 V Petrov (RUS) Caterham 1'36.532
21 C Pic (FRA) Marussia 1'37.267
22 T Glock (GER) Marussia 1'37.654
23 PM de la Rosa (ESP) HRT 1'38.973
24 KRN Karthikeyan (IND) HRT 1'39.221

  

Will Nico be getting another pole. We will find out soon.

Qualifyings

Q1

Pos Driver Team Laps
1 Perez MEX Sauber 8 in pits
2 Ricciardo AUS Toro Rosso 8 in pits
3 Webber AUS Red Bull 8 in pits
4 Grosjean FRA Lotus 3 in pits
5 Kobayashi JPN Sauber 7 in pits
6 Vettel GER Red Bull 5 in pits
7 Massa BRA Ferrari 8 in pits
8 Senna BRA Williams 8 in pits
9 Räikkönen FIN Lotus 3 in pits
10 Rosberg GER Mercedes 4 in pits
11 Hülkenberg GER Force India 6 in pits
12 di Resta GBR Force India 7 in pits
13 Maldonado VEN Williams 6 in pits
14 Alonso ESP Ferrari 3 in pits
15 Button GBR McLaren 4 in pits
16 Hamilton GBR McLaren 4 in pits
17 Kovalainen FIN Caterham 4 in pits

Dropped out
18 Schumacher GER Mercedes 5 in pits
19 Vergne FRA Toro Rosso 5 in pits
20 Petrov RUS Caterham 4 in pits
21 Pic FRA Marussia 4 in pits
22 de la Rosa ESP HRT 3 in pits
23 Glock GER Marussia 4 in pits
24 Karthikeyan IND HRT 4 in pits

Hekki kicked out Schumi,,  

Vergne is under investigation by the stewards for missing his call for the weighbridge at the end of the session.


Q2

Pos Driver Team Laps

1 Hamilton GBR McLaren 7 in pits
2 Rosberg GER Mercedes 7 in pits
3 Grosjean FRA Lotus 10 in pits
4 Webber AUS Red Bull 11 in pits
5 Alonso ESP Ferrari 9 in pits
6 Button GBR McLaren 7 in pits
7 di Resta GBR Force India 13 in pits
8 Vettel GER Red Bull 12 in pits
9 Ricciardo AUS Toro Rosso 14 in pits
10 Perez MEX Sauber 14 in pits

out
11 Räikkönen FIN Lotus 6 in pits
12 Kobayashi JPN Sauber 13 in pits
13 Hülkenberg GER Force India 12 in pits
14 Massa BRA Ferrari 14 in pits
15 Senna BRA Williams 14 in pits
16 Kovalainen FIN Caterham 10 in pits
17 Maldonado VEN Williams 8 in pits
18 Schumacher GER Mercedes 5 in pits
19 Vergne FRA Toro Rosso 8 in pits
20 Petrov RUS Caterham 7 in pits
21 Pic FRA Marussia 8 in pits
22 de la Rosa ESP HRT 6 in pits
23 Glock GER Marussia 7 in pits
24 Karthikeyan IND HRT 7 in pits

***

Q3/Grid

Pos Driver Team Laps

1 Vettel GER Red Bull 18 in pits
2 Hamilton GBR McLaren 13 in pits
3 Webber AUS Red Bull 17 in pits
4 Button GBR McLaren 12 in pits
5 Rosberg GER Mercedes 10 in pits
6 Ricciardo AUS Toro Rosso 17 in pits
7 Grosjean FRA Lotus 13 in pits
8 Perez MEX Sauber 17 in pits
9 Alonso ESP Ferrari 11 in pits
10 di Resta GBR Force India 15 in pits
11 Räikkönen FIN Lotus 6 in pits
12 Kobayashi JPN Sauber 13 in pits
13 Hülkenberg GER Force India 12 in pits
14 Massa BRA Ferrari 14 in pits
15 Senna BRA Williams 14 in pits
16 Kovalainen FIN Caterham 10 in pits
17 Maldonado VEN Williams 8 in pits
18 Schumacher GER Mercedes 5 in pits
19 Vergne FRA Toro Rosso 8 in pits
20 Petrov RUS Caterham 7 in pits
21 Pic FRA Marussia 8 in pits
22 de la Rosa ESP HRT 6 in pits
23 Glock GER Marussia 7 in pits
24 Karthikeyan IND HRT 7 in pits


Vettel is back!

A Sauber ahead of a Ferrari!!! wow!!! Go Sergio!!! Time you get your seat with Ferrari!!!!!


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[Edited 2012-04-21 05:06:38]


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User currently offlinestealthz From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5689 posts, RR: 44
Reply 8, posted (2 years 4 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1501 times:
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Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 7):
A Sauber ahead of a Ferrari!!! wow!!! Go Sergio!!! Time you get your seat with Ferrari!!!!!

The way things are going.. will he want one!!



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User currently offlinePSA53 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3059 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (2 years 4 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 1442 times:

I understand that they're having some serious problems with political protesters.That really sucks.


http://news.yahoo.com/bahrain-grand-...ter-found-dead-132718376--spt.html



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User currently offlineQFA380 From Australia, joined Jul 2005, 2061 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (2 years 4 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1419 times:

I'm glad that we've got the two Aussies up there on the grid in third and sixth. Didn't get to watch qualifying though unfortunately.

Hopefully Webber can break his run of 4th's and get on the podium

Quoting PSA53 (Reply 9):

Respectfully, there's already a lively thread discussing the political element of this race. How about leaving this thread just for the driving.


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10893 posts, RR: 37
Reply 11, posted (2 years 4 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 1369 times:

Great race! Kimi is really pushing to pass Seb Vettel. The Lotus are really going strong with Grosjean flollowing not far behind.

Never seen empty grandstands like this in a really long time. The Monarchs should have given free tickets to students and locals rather than keeping the grandstands empty. It looks bad.

 Wow!

Many more laps to go. 3 pit stops strategy seems to be the right one.

I am cheering for the Saubers and Schumi!

        



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User currently offlineCXB77L From Australia, joined Feb 2009, 2604 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (2 years 4 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1349 times:
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Great win there by Vettel! I'm happy to see that he's back in the winner's circle for 2012. Also a great drive by Raikkonen.

The down side, though, is that Williams didn't score a single point   Hopefully there'll be some aero changes for the next race. We just weren't quick enough.



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User currently offlinesudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (2 years 4 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1349 times:

Congrats To Raikkonen and Grosjean who showed that Lotus belongs up there with their strong race pace. They are now ahead of Ferrari in the constructors fight.

Vettel just proved again that he is no allround driver because as long as he is up front he is fast. A bit further down the field and he's a cry baby.

Think that Rosberg has some explanation to do for pushing both Hamilton and Alonso off the track.



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User currently offlineCXfirst From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 3058 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (2 years 4 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1348 times:

Sad to have missed the F1. But thats what happens when free to air TV gets to show the race. Channel 10 here in Australia decided to move it from the HD channel "One" to the SD Channel "Ten" and also decided to show it 2 hours delayed in Western Australia. Pathetic, wish Foxtel had it here.

Anyway, congrats to Vettel, and I feel sorry for Webber. 4th place again!

-CXfirst



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10893 posts, RR: 37
Reply 15, posted (2 years 4 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1347 times:

Congratulations to Sebastian Vettel for his very well deserved win!!!

Congrats to Lotus team to Kimi and Grosjean for their second and third places.
Renault can be proud today with 3 places on the podium.

Bahrain Grand Prix 2012

Drivers Teams Points

1 S Vettel (GER) Red Bull 25
2 KM Räikkönen (FIN) Lotus 18
3 R Grosjean (FRA) Lotus 15
4 M Webber (AUS) Red Bull 12
5 N Rosberg (GER) Mercedes 10
6 P di Resta (GBR) Force India 8
7 F Alonso (ESP) Ferrari 6
8 LC Hamilton (GBR) McLaren 4
9 F Massa (BRA) Ferrari 2
10 M Schumacher (GER) Mercedes 1
11 S Perez (MEX) Sauber -
12 N Hülkenberg (GER) Force India -
13 JE Vergne (FRA) Toro Rosso -
14 K Kobayashi (JPN) Sauber -
15 D Ricciardo (AUS) Toro Rosso -
16 V Petrov (RUS) Caterham -
17 H Kovalainen (FIN) Caterham -
19 T Glock (GER) Marussia -
20 PM de la Rosa (ESP) HRT -
21 KRN Karthikeyan (IND) HRT -

  

Kamui 2 pit stop strategy was wrong. He had to pit another third time but at a point when it was too late.
Oh well... Live and learn... We are not mid-season yet. He will catch up points in the next races.

I think it was a good thing that the Bahrain GP 2012 did not get cancelled.
Sakhir is a uneasy and competitive track. I hope they can keep this race going in the coming years.



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User currently offlineQFA380 From Australia, joined Jul 2005, 2061 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (2 years 4 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1343 times:

I was really hoping Kimi would clinch it off Vettel, came so close. Congrats anyway to Lotus for an incredible race, I'll bet they were thrilled with it. Webber stuck in the rut of coming 4th still.

Felt sorry for Ricciardo, did so well qualifying in 6th and then dropped back to 17th in the first lap! THink

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 11):
students and locals rather than keeping the grandstands empty. It looks bad.

It looks much much worse if those same students and locals start protesting or become violent during the race.

Quoting sudden (Reply 13):

Think that Rosberg has some explanation to do for pushing both Hamilton and Alonso off the track.

Seemed like there was a great deal of pushing off the track, all in the same spot.


User currently offlineltbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13074 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (2 years 4 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1339 times:

I appears that only the main grandstand had any people in it, the rest were empty. That speaks huge volumes of the situation there.

It is a very interesting mix of podium finishes thie year, the mix made even more with today's Vettel (with /RedBull/Renault) getting his first season win from the pole and the lead in the Championship and with Lotus drivers in 2 and 3 place with the surprising Raikkonen with his first podium since 2009 and Grosjean another surprise with his first podium, and the first Frenchman since 1998 there. All of the top 4 finishers had Renault engines. Seems like the competitive balance from car maker to car maker is very close and this makes the season interesting to watch, not knowing who will win in a given race

Two Mercedes engined cars suffered with exhaust problems, not a good sign. Fortunately the race went off without any problems of the local political situation. Maybe 1 small racing controversy from 2 cars that bumped that will be reviewed post-race, but I don't suspect that will be a big deal. On to the next race and moving away from political issues in the way (at least until the series goes to the USA/Austin race)


User currently offlineGBLKD From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2011, 345 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (2 years 4 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1310 times:

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 14):
Sad to have missed the F1. But thats what happens when free to air TV gets to show the race. Channel 10 here in Australia decided to move it from the HD channel "One" to the SD Channel "Ten" and also decided to show it 2 hours delayed in Western Australia. Pathetic, wish Foxtel had it here.

Anyway, congrats to Vettel, and I feel sorry for Webber. 4th place again!

-CXfirst

You'd be even more annoyed if you were in the UK and had to put up with Sky Sports on weekends when the BBC are not showing it.

Damon Hill is a good catch for them but Brundle looks lost in amongst the Sky crowd. And as for Brundle's commentary box partner FFS man LOOK AT WHO IS IN THE CAR YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT BEFORE YOU OPEN YOUR MOUTH!!!!!!!!! I lost count the amount of times he called it wrong, Alonso became Massa, Hamilton became Button and vice versa etc etc. If it's your job to commentate do us all a favour and try and remember who is in what order and at least try and remeber what colour helmets the drivers are wearing. This is the same dolt who liked the sound of his own voice so much in Shanghai that he talked over pretty much all of the team radio during practice and qualifying.      

Anyway, great race for Lotus, Kimi should have had Vettel, I thought he's got him a couple of times. Looks like he pushed him hard and made him burn a lot more fuel than Red Bull anticipated.

But once again, total balls up at McLaren! Boys, what the fudge are you doing??      


User currently offlineswissy From Switzerland, joined Jan 2005, 1734 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (2 years 4 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1263 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 15):
Congrats to Lotus team to Kimi and Grosjean for their second and third places.
Renault can be proud today with 3 places on the podium.

Agree 100%... Love Kimi's personality   and he is talking without any BS...!! LOL

Again fantastic racing... what a year so far! Agree, Nico should have been parked. Not a good example...  

Cheerios,


User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2814 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (2 years 4 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1216 times:

I said in the previoius thread that I had good hopes for Grosjean to get a podium or two this year, but I did not expect it would come so quick! Congratulations to him for this great result!

Now I have good hopes he can win 
Quoting ltbewr (Reply 17):
and the first Frenchman since 1998 there

Such a long time...   

Quoting sudden (Reply 13):
Think that Rosberg has some explanation to do for pushing both Hamilton and Alonso off the track.

Well, he's been heard and he's not going to be punished for this! This decision does not make sense. His moves were dangerous. Alonso said after the race: "I can only say that if, instead of such a wide run-off area there had been a wall, I'm not sure I'd be here now to talk about it".

He also commented the marshalls' decision on his twitter account (quite ironically):

Quoting swissy (Reply 19):
he is talking without any BS

Is he talking at all? 



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User currently offlineLarshjort From Denmark, joined Dec 2007, 1445 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 4 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 1203 times:

Congratulations to Lotus. Good to see Kimi, Lotus and a frenchman back on the podium.

This season seems to get more and more exciting

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 20):

Is he talking at all?

He couldn't stop talking compared to the last time I saw him at a press conference 



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10893 posts, RR: 37
Reply 22, posted (2 years 4 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1187 times:

Quoting ltbewr (Reply 17):
I appears that only the main grandstand had any people in it, the rest were empty. That speaks huge volumes of the situation there.

People go to work on Sunday in Bahrain, same as in other Gulf States/UAE. Friday is Prayer (and shopping) day.
Christian churches hold their church services on Friday in Bahrain - Orhtodox/Catholic/others. Those who want to go to F1 need to get the day off.

Testing returns with a three-day test at Mugello from May 1-3.

The next F1 GP will be the Spanish GP Catalunya/Barcelona May11-13

     



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User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2814 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (2 years 4 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1152 times:

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 20):
He also commented the marshalls' decision on his twitter account (quite ironically):

oooops, the image is dead. Well, he was saying the following:

"I think you are going to have fun in future races! You can defend position as you want and you can overtake outside the track! Enjoy!"



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User currently offlineDiamondFlyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 1535 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (2 years 4 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1142 times:

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 23):
"I think you are going to have fun in future races! You can defend position as you want and you can overtake outside the track! Enjoy!"

Well the rule says you can make one move off the racing line to protect your position. Doesn't say anything about having to leave space, except for when you return back to the racing line. So, I don't see how they could penalize him for a rule that doesn't make what he did illegal?

-DiamondFlyer


User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2814 posts, RR: 2
Reply 25, posted (2 years 4 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1160 times:

Quoting DiamondFlyer (Reply 24):
Well the rule says you can make one move off the racing line to protect your position

OK, but there is a difference between procteting your position and forcing someone to go off the track.



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User currently offlineDiamondFlyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 1535 posts, RR: 3
Reply 26, posted (2 years 4 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1154 times:

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 25):
OK, but there is a difference between procteting your position and forcing someone to go off the track.

But he didn't force him off the track, Hamilton went off in an effort to pass. Nico was in front of him, the cars were not side by side. If they were side by side, I'd agree he forced him off. Hamilton, in an effort to pass through the block, drove himself off the track. Just how I see it. I don't agree with the rule, but that appears to be the way the rule is written.

-DiamondFlyer


User currently onlineEZEIZA From Argentina, joined Aug 2004, 4964 posts, RR: 25
Reply 27, posted (2 years 4 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1147 times:

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 25):
OK, but there is a difference between procteting your position and forcing someone to go off the track

... twice!

I wasn't able to see the entire race, so I can't comment too much, but apart from Vettel, those Lotus look really fast, and it's great to see Kimi back!

About the real loosers; Mclaren and Ferrari, it's interesting that Ferrari have a crap car but great team work while Mcl's have the opposite.



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User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17063 posts, RR: 10
Reply 28, posted (2 years 4 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1137 times:

Quoting QFA380 (Reply 16):
I was really hoping Kimi would clinch it off Vettel, came so close

He was so close! But 2nd is great for Kimi. I love that he is finally back, and hopefully they will be competitive the whole season.



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User currently offlinesudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 29, posted (2 years 4 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1085 times:

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 25):
Quoting DiamondFlyer (Reply 24):
Well the rule says you can make one move off the racing line to protect your position

OK, but there is a difference between procteting your position and forcing someone to go off the track.

Indeed. And you are not protecting your position when the other car is next to you cause then the position has already been taken. To me Rosberg did some crazy moves which should have landed him a nasty penalty.
Alonso said it pretty good cause if there would have been a wall there he is not sure he would be standing where he was standing after the race.



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User currently offlinestealthz From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5689 posts, RR: 44
Reply 30, posted (2 years 4 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1065 times:
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Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 22):
People go to work on Sunday in Bahrain, same as in other Gulf States/UAE. Friday is Prayer (and shopping) day.
Christian churches hold their church services on Friday in Bahrain - Orhtodox/Catholic/others. Those who want to go to F1 need to get the day off.

Yet another reason this race is a farce.

If it meant anything to Bahrain, indeed if the people of Bahrain even understood the concept of motor sport the race would be held on a day the population could attend.



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User currently onlineEZEIZA From Argentina, joined Aug 2004, 4964 posts, RR: 25
Reply 31, posted (2 years 4 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1047 times:

Quoting sudden (Reply 29):
And you are not protecting your position when the other car is next to you cause then the position has already been taken

could not agree more. I'm amazed that no penalty was given, and this will create a dangerous precedent for future races.



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User currently offlineLarshjort From Denmark, joined Dec 2007, 1445 posts, RR: 0
Reply 32, posted (2 years 4 months 22 hours ago) and read 1021 times:

Quoting stealthz (Reply 30):

Yet another reason this race is a farce.

If it meant anything to Bahrain, indeed if the people of Bahrain even understood the concept of motor sport the race would be held on a day the population could attend.

It is the same in Abu Dhabi, the working week is from sunday to thursday. I am quite sure that the sunday race is a Bernie requirement.

/Lars



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User currently offlinesudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 33, posted (2 years 4 months 19 hours ago) and read 1006 times:

Quoting Larshjort (Reply 32):
Quoting stealthz (Reply 30):
Yet another reason this race is a farce.

If it meant anything to Bahrain, indeed if the people of Bahrain even understood the concept of motor sport the race would be held on a day the population could attend.
It is the same in Abu Dhabi, the working week is from sunday to thursday. I am quite sure that the sunday race is a Bernie requirement.

/Lars

Lets add Turkey to that as well. Not so uncommon as many might think.



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User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2814 posts, RR: 2
Reply 34, posted (2 years 4 months 19 hours ago) and read 1003 times:

Quoting Larshjort (Reply 32):
I am quite sure that the sunday race is a Bernie requirement.

Because viewers are important too. And the time off of the vast majority is Sunday.



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User currently offlinesudden From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 4130 posts, RR: 6
Reply 35, posted (2 years 4 months 6 hours ago) and read 967 times:

Some good news,

F1 to return to France! And to race at Paul Ricard. Sounds good to me.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/99130

I bet member GrahamHill enjoys this one.  



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User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2814 posts, RR: 2
Reply 36, posted (2 years 4 months ago) and read 945 times:

Quoting sudden (Reply 35):
I bet member GrahamHill enjoys this one.

You bet right! I am delighted about this news! After all, the French GP was one of the "originals" which were in place since 1950. We're a great country of automotive industry and motorsports. Having no F1 grand prix was a complete nonsense.

Even if it's only once every two years, it's still better than nothing at all.



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10893 posts, RR: 37
Reply 37, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 747 times:

Salut Gilles May 8 1982

Remembering Gilles Villeneuve

RIP



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User currently offlineCXB77L From Australia, joined Feb 2009, 2604 posts, RR: 5
Reply 38, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 710 times:
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Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 37):
Salut Gilles May 8 1982

Remembering Gilles Villeneuve

RIP

Indeed. 30 years ago to the day that a legend of the sport was taken. In my view, Gilles Villeneuve was the best driver to have never won the title.



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User currently offlineGrahamHill From France, joined Mar 2007, 2814 posts, RR: 2
Reply 39, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 683 times:

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 37):
Remembering Gilles Villeneuve

One of the most spectacular drivers ever. Salut Gilles!

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 38):
In my view, Gilles Villeneuve was the best driver to have never won the title.

Him and Stirling Moss  



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