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The Driving Behaviour Of People Around Police Cars  
User currently offline2707200X From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 8528 posts, RR: 1
Posted (2 years 4 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2267 times:

Of course most people here on A.net drive everyday and if you drive on the streets it is only a matter of time until you see a police car around your car, either in front of you, to the side of you, or right behind you.

Here in SoCal when a police car comes around in the road, I see people slow down to a pace that is much slower than the police car, I see people try to change lanes as soon as the cop car is visible and of course everyone makes a complete stop at the stop sign as they are supposed to do in the first place.

When a police car comes my way, I really don't sweat it, I know I am going the speed limit, I know I got my license, registration, insurance, proof of insurance and my tags aren't expired.

Do you see people panic at the sight of a police car on the road? Do you get scared? If you are a current or former police officer, what is your experience?


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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15745 posts, RR: 27
Reply 1, posted (2 years 4 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 2254 times:

Quoting 2707200X (Thread starter):
Here in SoCal when a police car comes around in the road, I see people slow down to a pace that is much slower than the police car,

It's like they expect to get bonus points for going below the speed limit.

Quoting 2707200X (Thread starter):

Do you see people panic at the sight of a police car on the road?

Yes. Like Star Wars: keep your distance but don't look like you're keeping your distance. Don't slam on the brakes and on a crowded road you'll almost certainly be able to see them and slow down before they can tag you.

Use the behavior of others to clue you in. People hitting the brakes for no apparent reason or traffic behind you slowing down is a pretty strong indication that a cop is around.

Do your homework. Know how the local police cars are painted and act accordingly. Know the type and paint of unmarked units too. For example, in St. Louis you can ignore Crown Vics. They are all private vehicles or taxis as the cops almost exclusively use Impalas and Tahoes. (Not like the metro cops pay attention to traffic violations anyway) And watch out for detectives too. It might be a police car, but if the driver is wearing a suit and has no radar, you're good to go.

Lastly, time and distance are your friend. If there's traffic behind you so a cop at a speed trap can't pull out, use that to your advantage. Or get a couple trucks between you and sprint ahead. Police move quick, but not that quick. Put some space between you and disappear.



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User currently offlinedc9northwest From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 2294 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (2 years 4 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 2243 times:

Quoting 2707200X (Thread starter):
Of course most people here on A.net drive everyday

Why make that assumption, first of all? Some of us don't live (and in my case certainly don't *want* to live) somewhere where a car is necessary for everyday life. If it's necessary, then I'll get the hell out of there with the first chance I get.

Quoting 2707200X (Thread starter):
Here in SoCal when a police car comes around in the road, I see people slow down to a pace that is much slower than the police car

That's because people fear the police. Which is fair, cause in many smaller cities they get their funding through fines, so any small deviation from normal can get ticketed.

Quoting 2707200X (Thread starter):
see people try to change lanes as soon as the cop car is visible and of course everyone makes a complete stop at the stop sign as they are supposed to do in the first place

Excellent. In that case, I'd put a cop car on every street corner. Too many drivers lack awareness and concern for others these days.

Quoting 2707200X (Thread starter):
When a police car comes my way, I really don't sweat it, I know I am going the speed limit, I know I got my license, registration, insurance, proof of insurance and my tags aren't expired.

Maybe you'll have a "busted taillight" at some point...

Quoting 2707200X (Thread starter):
Do you see people panic at the sight of a police car on the road? Do you get scared?

I think the same as I think when a hobo asks for my money on the street or on tax day: more people wanting my money...


User currently offlinevikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 10036 posts, RR: 26
Reply 3, posted (2 years 4 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 2242 times:
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Quoting 2707200X (Thread starter):
Do you see people panic at the sight of a police car on the road? Do you get scared?

I see people panic, sure, or at least go much slower than they otherwise would.

Personally, I don't panic. Since most of my driving is relatively mellow, I'm not very worried about a cop car. I just drive like normal, though I may pay a bit closer attention to my speedometer.

On surface streets, I'm never really going more than 5-10 mph above the speed limit, which is in line with most of the other traffic. On freeways, I'll generally go as fast as traffic in the fast lane. There's almost always a few drivers passing me, so I don't really worry.

The only time I get surprised is when I glance at my rearview mirror on a freeway, and see a cop car literally right behind me, that wasn't there 5 seconds ago. But 99.99% of the time, they just want me to move over a lane so they can pass (I don't park in the fast lane, so this doesn't happen all that often).



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User currently onlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14027 posts, RR: 62
Reply 4, posted (2 years 4 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 2227 times:

Here you just drive normally. Keep your normal distance. Mind the speed limit and drive a little bit above (about 5 km/h). If you drive too slow the cops will think that you are drunk and trying to be extra correct. Don´t make boobs like running through a red traffic light or not stopping at a stop sign.
If the cop car is very slow (like when they might be slowly patrolling or looking for something), don´t worry, just pass it the correct vway (on the inner lane, indicating and making sure that you won´t cut somebody off, but you should do this anyway). Keep lane discipline.

Jan

[Edited 2012-04-27 13:24:23]

User currently offlinebhill From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 975 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 4 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 2199 times:

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User currently offlineSW733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6324 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (2 years 4 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 2195 times:

The road I take between home and work has a speed limit of 70, and there are often State Troopers driving along between towns. Many times, they're going 65 or so, and I'll pass them going about 73. It's always a weird feeling to pass a police car...

User currently offlineLarshjort From Denmark, joined Dec 2007, 1475 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 4 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2180 times:

It's fun to see people sometimes, my dad had a 2001 white Golf stationcar and all the time he could see people overtaking him slow down when they saw his car. On the other hand it might have something to with him wearing blue short sleeved shirts.

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 4):
Here you just drive normally. Keep your narmal distance. Mind the speed limit and drive a little bit above (about 5 km/h). If you drive too slow the cops will think that you are drunk and trying to be extra correct. Don´t make boobs like running through a red traffic light or not stopping at a stop sign.
If the cop car is very slow (like when they might be slowly patrolling or looking for something), don´t worry, just pass it the correct vway (on the inner lane, indicating and making sure that you won´t cut somebody off, but you should do this anyway). Keep lane discipline.

Jan

Normally the same here, but the one I have been pulled over was for overtaking a policecar on the motorway doing 120 in where the limit was 110.

/Lars



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19730 posts, RR: 58
Reply 8, posted (2 years 4 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2166 times:

I drive exactly like I was driving.

I don't speed. I signal when I turn. I stop at stop signs and red lights. I keep my registration UTD. Thus, I have nothing to fear from an ethical cop.


User currently offlineflymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7176 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (2 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 2116 times:

Quoting 2707200X (Thread starter):
When a police car comes my way, I really don't sweat it, I know I am going the speed limit, I know I got my license, registration, insurance, proof of insurance and my tags aren't expired.


Same here, problem is so many people out there don't have insurance or a license etc..

Quoting 2707200X (Thread starter):
Do you see people panic at the sight of a police car on the road? Do you get scared?


I see it often. The worst is one the highway. I get fairly annoyed at cops who post up doing the exact speed limit on a highway at night. No one seriously expects people to drive at the exact limit on a empty highway. 90% of drivers will be afraid to pass the cop. If the cop is going 5+ the limit or more I usually wont pass the officer either. But if he is doing the exact speed limit I will slowly pass the cop 2-3mph over. IMO a cop seeing someone pass him is probably thinking well they have nothing to hide.

Also there are a lot of factors. First off most of the time I see cops on the highway they are speeding anyway 10-15mph+ so I will just stay behind the officer. If it is highway patrol I probably would never pass them unless they were doing under the limit. But if I am in a suburb and I see a city of Miami cop or a cop outside of its jurisdiction I will likely pass him. Even though officers in my county can stop anyone any where no matter what city they are from why would they waste their time and safety. Traffic stops are fairly dangerous for officers so cops, especially city cops going to or from work are not going to risk it for a stupid speeding ticket. Again they are speeding most of the time anyway like everyone else.

Quoting SW733 (Reply 6):
The road I take between home and work has a speed limit of 70, and there are often State Troopers driving along between towns. Many times, they're going 65 or so, and I'll pass them going about 73. It's always a weird feeling to pass a police car...


Same here, done it many times with no problems. When I am driving late at night in a 55mph zone I will often be going 75mph or so. (this highway should not be a 55mph it should be at least 65) anyway most people at that time are going above the limit anyway. I have passed Troopers not even city cops siting at the side of the road on one particular highway going 20-25mph over the speed limit and they did not even move.
Why? I assume they are waiting for bigger fish. I am often passed on this highway by people going 100+.

But then there are towns in Miami-Dade county that have police for the sole reason of giving out tickets. I would never pass one of those cops and never do more than 1mph over the limit there.

Moral of the story: It really depends, there are actually a lot of variables. Passed a cop today, he was going under the limit I passed him going under the limit too. But yet there were still people afraid to pass.



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User currently offlineRara From Germany, joined Jan 2007, 2093 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (2 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 2115 times:

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 4):
If you drive too slow the cops will think that you are drunk and trying to be extra correct.

That's indeed important. Slow, extra-careful driving is a good way to get stopped, especially at night.

Quoting dc9northwest (Reply 2):
Some of us don't live (and in my case certainly don't *want* to live) somewhere where a car is necessary for everyday life.

Me too. Having to drive every day would seriously reduce my quality of life.



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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15745 posts, RR: 27
Reply 11, posted (2 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 2111 times:

Quoting flymia (Reply 9):
I have passed Troopers not even city cops siting at the side of the road on one particular highway going 20-25mph over the speed limit and they did not even move.

State Troopers don't care. The city cops are much more prone to be jerks and are just out to make money for their municipality.



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User currently offlineStarAC17 From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 3380 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1991 times:

Quoting 2707200X (Thread starter):
Here in SoCal when a police car comes around in the road, I see people slow down to a pace that is much slower than the police car, I see people try to change lanes as soon as the cop car is visible and of course everyone makes a complete stop at the stop sign as they are supposed to do in the first place.
Quoting BMI727 (Reply 11):
State Troopers don't care. The city cops are much more prone to be jerks and are just out to make money for their municipality.

I would reckon that unless a cop is actually out to sting people for speeding most don't care a whole lot unless are going a huge amount over (say 20 or 30) and everyone else is going the limit and you make yourself stand out.

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 1):
Yes. Like Star Wars: keep your distance but don't look like you're keeping your distance. Don't slam on the brakes and on a crowded road you'll almost certainly be able to see them and slow down before they can tag you.

I don't know drive casually!!  



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User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13608 posts, RR: 61
Reply 13, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1974 times:
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Quoting BMI727 (Reply 11):
State Troopers don't care.

Neither does the Honey Badger, but that doesn't mean I'd mess with either of 'em if I didn't have to.  



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User currently offlineflymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7176 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1957 times:

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 11):

In Miami it's the other way. I think it is this way for most large cities. Small suburbs need their cops to make money. The city of Miami or Miami-Dade county does not need speeding ticket money, they need cops taking care of far more important things. Troppers here on the other hand are only on the highway, unless they are investigating an accident all they do is traffic. Besides 90% of the time I speed enough to be worthy of a ticket it is on the highway and that's trooper territory. City guys have more important things to worry about, most of the time the danger of the stop won't be worth it. I've had a city cop tell me he almost never makes traffic stops. A $100 ticket is not worth the risk. I agree with him.



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User currently offlineflyboyseven From Canada, joined Feb 2007, 904 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1958 times:

I do find that I drive a little bit differently when I see cops. I tend to slow down a little, but only to what I feel is a reasonable speed. I have found that as long as you are not being silly, the police seem to let a little bit of speeding go by. That is not always the case.

I had a funny thing happen a while back. I was cruising up the highway on Vancouver Island. It is a 4 lane divided freeway where I was, and the speed limit is 110. If there were to be no speed limit, the long straights and sweeping curves would pretty much let you drive a car at any speed with no problems at all. Normally the traffic is going around 115 in the slow lane and between 120 and 130 in the fast lane. I tend to usually be in the fast lane, but I move over whenever someone comes up behind me.

In this case I saw the cop car way back behind me and I went down a few kph to the speed limit as did the van in front of me by a few hundred feet. The cop car came up and parked itself in the fast lane just in front of the van with his back right corner at the front left of the van. It is always awkward driving that close to another car on the highway so the guy in the van eased off the gas a little bit. So did the cop. He did it again, and again the cop followed.

The guy in the van then tried speeding up again to the speed limit, but the cop just matched his move, so the guy went a little bit faster, just a few kph. As soon as he did the cop pulled him over. If that is not a dirty trick I don't know what is.



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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15745 posts, RR: 27
Reply 16, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1945 times:

Quoting flymia (Reply 14):

The inner city cops ignore you. If you want them to stop you you'll have to drive on the sidewalk. Suburban cops are the worst since they basically do nothing but traffic, and troopers are rare in urban areas. They seem come and go, but generally they are outnumbered by municipal and county cops probably 8 or 10 to 1. In rural areas troopers are far more common but less interested in revenue. City and county cops want your money and are also far more likely to be jerks.



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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21641 posts, RR: 55
Reply 17, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1944 times:

Quoting flyboyseven (Reply 15):
The guy in the van then tried speeding up again to the speed limit, but the cop just matched his move, so the guy went a little bit faster, just a few kph. As soon as he did the cop pulled him over. If that is not a dirty trick I don't know what is.

And this is why some people freak out around cops. Can't really say I blame them.

-Mir



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User currently offlineajd1992 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 1901 times:

The favourite trick of people here is if they see a cop or a speed camera, they all brake which causes accidents.

Really stupid idea, I've nearly run into the back of people who've been doing the speed limit, braked because they've seen a speed camera and then accelerated again.


User currently offlineGBLKD From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2011, 345 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1885 times:

Quoting ajd1992 (Reply 18):
Really stupid idea, I've nearly run into the back of people who've been doing the speed limit, braked because they've seen a speed camera and then accelerated again.

Agreed.

When I worked out of a coach co in Kettering I could guarantee seeing the same stupid behaviour every evening on the way home on the A14. At around junction 9 there is a camera. Now, bear in mind that due to funding shortages every static camera in Northamptonshire was switched off over a year ago and the limit for a car on that section of the A14 is 70mph. I usually sit at around 60-65 mph and every time I get near the camera I see the brake lights come on in front. Everyone will go from 60, 70, 80 etc to 50 or even 40 in a split second. In my Golf I can brake in time, I've had them overtake me while I'm working then slam the anchors on which isn't much fun when you're driving a 44 tonne artic! I have no idea how I've not managed to turn any of them into strawberry jam yet

[Edited 2012-04-28 02:30:51]

[Edited 2012-04-28 02:32:12]

User currently offlinegreasespot From Canada, joined Apr 2004, 3084 posts, RR: 20
Reply 20, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1816 times:

In a marked cruiser people slowing really annoys me...I mean common at least do the sped limit. In an unmarked you really see how bad people drive.


The area I work has a bunch of suburban slums and street gangs. So I do not have to tag "good people" for the little stuff and pretty much get left alone. If You have a violent criminal history there are no breaks on anything. I feel that you gave up the right for ticket breaks by being violent.

Quoting flyboyseven (Reply 15):
The guy in the van then tried speeding up again to the speed limit, but the cop just matched his move, so the guy went a little bit faster, just a few kph. As soon as he did the cop pulled him over. If that is not a dirty trick I don't know what is.

How about I suggest this other senario. Cop runs plate before the stop like we all do either on the computer or radio. Matching the move is what sort of happens subconsciously while waiting for the hits( while they are fast to return ittakes a bit to read them) Perhaps the guy was a shit head or baddie and he pulled him over, or had a warrant.

Remember in Canada we do not need any"probable cause"(US term) to stop a vehicle other than to check for drivers license, insurance, and registration. You just assume that he was stopped for going a few KPH over.

gs



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User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6669 posts, RR: 11
Reply 21, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1774 times:

I don't drive everyday currently as I take bus=>train=>subway, but I used to and will soon again. However around here you don't see many cops on the roads, and the one you see aren't there for the traffic but looking for criminals or are anti-riot cops (not that there are any riots, but they intimidate criminals). When I see an anti-riot bus I'll slow down if I'm over the limit, but that's it, I won't hesitate to pass if it's slow (often they're in convoys), most people will.

I've had very good experience with cops, probably because I drive a womanly car (apple green Citroën C3) and don't dress like a gang member (and am white). I've been stopped 4 of 5 times for reckless driving by anti-gang cops and anti-riot cops and they never actually ticketed me, just gave me a speech.

As for cameras, there are many, in fact the first one installed in the country is a few Km from here (and my dad managed to get a ticket from it on the day it was installed !). People will brake like maniacs when seeing one, so I'm even more cautious than before about keeping my distances and maintaining my car.



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User currently onlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14027 posts, RR: 62
Reply 22, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 1757 times:

Every autumn there is a techno music festival at a former USAF cruise missile base on my way to work. Ever year state police, federal police and customs set up checkpoints around the location of the event where they stop and search cars.
Mainly for drugs, since the event attracts drug dealers and the Belgian and Dutch borders are not too far away.
But I´ve never been stopped. On Sunday morning, when the last partygoers are slowly staggering back to their camping ground I´m either on my way to work or back from nightshift. I drive a truck with local numberplates (in Germany the first letters on the numberplate denote the county or city the car is registered in), I´m in my mid forties and look it and I´m wearing working clothes including an airport ID badge around my neck.

Jan


User currently offlineIMissPiedmont From United States of America, joined May 2001, 6294 posts, RR: 33
Reply 23, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1717 times:

I drive daily through a speed camera area and shake my head at the people that slow down to go through it. If you don't know how fast you're going you probably should quit driving.


Damn, this website is getting worse daily.
User currently offlineSSTeve From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 706 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1712 times:

On interstates, some cops like to troll slowly in the right lanes, expect a nice cocoon of skared folks to box 'em in, and then wait patiently for the first frustrated inattentive sucker to blast out of the rolling roadblock in the left lanes.

I generally will pass cops at 5 over. Yeah, you generally get a free 10, but why chance it?

I did get pulled over passing a cop once-- expired registration. I didn't get a ticket because I was literally driving out of the state to move to a different one. Some cops are reasonable!


25 Revelation : Around here, doing the speed limit on the highway is pretty rare. In one case, we have a highway with three lanes in each direction that's marked 55
26 Ken777 : I generally don't worry when I see one. I stay close to the limit and will often use cruise control in town to ensure I don't "drift up". When I'm in
27 af773atmsp : I get slightly nervous when there is a cop car around but I always drive the speed limit or very close to the speed limit. I just drive like a normall
28 zippyjet : In the Baltimore area when you see the po po on the street in their cruiser chances are they are cruising for ticketing you (more County and Md. Stat
29 Post contains images KaiGywer : They're called trooper bait
30 Post contains images HAWK21M : Guess most people dont want to be fined unnecessary.... I just follow the rules & if needed even horn the Police car if they are blocking the path
31 CplKlinger : It all depends, for me, on when and where I am. Late at night on the way home from work, country roads getting followed by a Sheriff? Speed limit for
32 Post contains images airportugal310 : Without reading your profile, I assumed you were from the Northeast, and upon reading it, it was confirmed. I notice, at least here in MA, that you h
33 Post contains images speedbird217 : I experience the described behavior a lot in traffic in Germany. I guess nobody wants to get pulled over, seems to be intimidating to most people. On
34 SSTeve : Legally, they need some sort of excuse, though. Driving on the line, following too closely, light out, whatever. I got pulled over by a sheriff on an
35 KaiGywer : Of course they can
36 airportugal310 : Thank guys. Now does this vary by state or district or whatever? The only reason I ask is because everyone (this would be friends, colleagues, what h
37 Post contains images LONGisland89 : Clearly you haven't experienced New York state law enforcement. It's quite the contrary.
38 Maverick623 : There's an episode of COPS where the PC literally came down to not signaling 200ft before a turn. Trust me, if they want to stop you, they will stop
39 panam330 : Don't even get me started. I-81 from the Pennsylvania border to Syracuse can be a nightmare, especially if you're on the tail-end of a 17 hour drive
40 Post contains images KaiGywer : Saw this first hand yesterday. Three lane road (each direction). I had just been hanging out with a friend in a parking lot (her in a Police Impala, m
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