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Obama; "My Father Served In WW 2" True Or False  
User currently offlinegeezer From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 1479 posts, RR: 2
Posted (2 years 5 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2348 times:

My question is......would you vote for someone who gives speeches on TV and tells bare-faced lies ? For POTUS ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fv4jnlkxOaw

If you click on this link, you can see and hear the present POTUS telling the American public (and the whole world), that his father "served in World War 2; Take a few minutes and "google" Barack H. Obama, Sr. (Obama's father), and Lolo Soetoro, (his step father)

Obama Sr........born 4-4-36, died 11-24-82

Lolo Soetoro....born 1-2-35, died 3-2-87

So his father was 9 1/2 yrs old when WW 2 ended, and his step father was 10 yrs old when it ended; Anyone know of anyone who served in the U.S. Military when they were 9 1/2 or 10 yrs old ? BTW........I was born in 1932 and I missed being old enough to "join up" during WW 2 by about 3 years; ( I had to wait for Korea )

I think it's pretty logical to assume that anyone who would tell such an easily checked lie on national TV, would lie about anything, (including where he was born).

Charley


Stupidity: Doing the same thing over and over and over again and expecting a different result; Albert Einstein
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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19794 posts, RR: 59
Reply 1, posted (2 years 5 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2341 times:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/service.asp

I grant he really needs to watch his wording.


User currently offlinembmbos From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2598 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (2 years 5 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2330 times:

Quoting geezer (Thread starter):
(including where he was born)

Yep, it always comes around to this.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/service.asp


User currently offlineWestJet747 From Canada, joined Aug 2011, 1834 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (2 years 5 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2309 times:

The comments on that Youtube video are just...ridiculous. It amazes me how much difficulty those people have: A) reading the comments preceding theirs, and B) doing 5 minutes of research.

He probably should have chosen his words better (because the vultures in the media will always pick them apart) but it isn't hard to believe he would refer to his grandfather as his father since the man did raise him longer than any other male figure in Barack's life.



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User currently offlinecasinterest From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4636 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (2 years 5 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2307 times:

Quoting geezer (Thread starter):
My question is......would you vote for someone who gives speeches on TV and tells bare-faced lies ? For POTUS ?

It is apparent that you wouldn't vote for someone such as that, but it is equally apparent that you also do not do much research, and instead fan the fires of lies themselves .

Quoting mbmbos (Reply 2):
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/service.asp

My question is , should people that can't do their own research and hold a bit of understanding be allowed to vote?



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7639 posts, RR: 18
Reply 5, posted (2 years 5 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2307 times:

Yeah Obama always skews thing (ROMNEY2012!)
Until I see documentation, I won't believe him.



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User currently offlineSKYSERVICE_330 From Canada, joined Sep 2000, 1419 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (2 years 5 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2280 times:

The relevant part from Snopes being...

...Stanley Dunham was the person who most functioned as a father in Barack Obama's formative years, as Dunham helped raise and care for Barack from the age of ten onwards in Hawaii while Barack's stepfather, Lolo Soetoro, remained in Indonesia. Clearly Barack Obama's mention of a veteran relative who came home from World War II and "got the services he needed" was a reference to Stanley Dunham, who did in fact enlist in the military shortly after the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor and served as a sergeant with the U.S. Army in Europe during the war. Either Barack Obama referred to him as his "father" because that's the way he thinks of him, or because he simply misspoke and said "father" instead of "grandfather."

Scroll to the bottom: http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/service.asp

Quoting geezer (Thread starter):
I think it's pretty logical to assume that anyone who would tell such an easily checked lie on national TV, would lie about anything, (including where he was born).

I think it's pretty logical to spend 1min. searching Google and doing a bit of research before authoring an OP like the above.


User currently offlineeinsteinboricua From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2010, 3124 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (2 years 5 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2240 times:

Quoting geezer (Thread starter):
would you vote for someone who gives speeches on TV and tells bare-faced lies ? For POTUS ?

Well, we had one. His name is George Walker Bush. Back in 2003, he said Iraq had WMDs. No weapons were ever found. He was re-elected in 2004. But I guess lies don't count when war and deficits are concerned. No, it's only when the president you dislike says something about his family that turns out to not be as it seems.

At least this "lie" does not waste billions of dollars down the drain. And I put lie in quotation marks because this might have been something he misspoke. Yes, misspeak, like Palin with refudiate, or Bush with nuke-e-lar. If you were fortunate to have been raised by both of your biological parents, good for you. My cousin was raised more by my grandparents than her mother (single mom, working full time) and she always refers to my grandmother as mom (still does).

Not justifying what he said. He definitely should watch his wording more carefully. But people here (especially those on the other side of the political spectrum like you) need to take a chill pill and try to guess why he might have said that in the first place instead of claiming for impeachment for something that doesn't even merit impeachment.



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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29802 posts, RR: 58
Reply 8, posted (2 years 5 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2176 times:

That Snoops explaination is about the weakest one I have ever seen on that site.....a few days later the guy claims he was talking about his grandfather.....I call B.S.

His handlers realizing how what is said was heard jummped through the hoops to find a relative that fit into what he said and went with it.......spin control 101 folks.

Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 7):
Well, we had one. His name is George Walker Bush. Back in 2003, he said Iraq had WMDs. No weapons were ever found. He was re-elected in 2004. But I guess lies don't count when war and deficits are concerned. No, it's only when the president you dislike says something about his family that turns out to not be as it seems


Only about war and deficts? Really?

Remember this gem....."I DID NOT HAVE SEXUAL RELATIONS WITH THAT WOMAN."

The new stuff is great but it is nice to go back and hear the classics.

[Edited 2012-05-01 21:38:24]


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User currently offlinetugger From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 5628 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (2 years 5 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2160 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 5):
Until I see documentation, I won't believe him.

??? I guess you must believe him It's very well documented who his "father's" were and how they impacted his life.

Quoting L-188 (Reply 8):
Remember this gem....."I DID NOT HAVE SEX WITH THAT WOMAN."

Actually if that is what he had said then he would might have been fine... Because he didn't have sex with her.

Of course the problem he said: "I did not have sexual relations with that woman" and as a mater of fact, he did have sexual relations with her..... ooops!   

Tugg



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User currently offlineseb146 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 11678 posts, RR: 15
Reply 10, posted (2 years 5 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2161 times:

Quoting L-188 (Reply 8):
Remember this gem.

When the right-winger is called out, deflect. What was the deficit run up under Bush and the Republican Congress? It was not put on budget until the Democrat was in the White House, so it is soley the responsibility of the Democrat who put trillions of dollars of deficit spending on budget. Not the right-winger who actually did the spending.



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User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13612 posts, RR: 62
Reply 11, posted (2 years 5 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2156 times:
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Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 7):
Back in 2003, he said Iraq had WMDs.


(sigh)

At the time, that's what the intel said. That's what he "knew" at the time. It wasn't a lie; lying means flat-out saying something you know to be false, and that wasn't the case for Bush.



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21479 posts, RR: 54
Reply 12, posted (2 years 5 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2136 times:

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 11):
At the time, that's what the intel said. That's what he "knew" at the time. It wasn't a lie; lying means flat-out saying something you know to be false, and that wasn't the case for Bush.

Nope. "The intel" clearly said no such thing, which is underscored by the majority of correct reporting and the majority of correct political conclusions back then which later required neither apologies nor revisions.

It took extremely aggressive massaging, misinterpretations and willful dismissal of clear evidence to come to the false conclusions. By themselves, the facts never warranted an invasion, not even back then.

And intenionally undertaking such deliberate distortions is indeed equivalent to a lie.

The only remaining escape might be to claim that at least Bush himself was deliberately kept clueless by Cheney, Rumsfeld et al, but that still doesn't change the fact that the Bush administration as a whole deliberately lied about the pretenses for the Iraq invasion, despite knowing that the actual evidence did not provide a basis for it. There's just no way around it.

Obama, on the other hand, spoke about a family member who actually existed and who actually experienced what Obama talked about. That this person was like a father to him is also easy to verify. That formally he was Obama's grandfather changes absolutely nothing about the actual statement Obama made. It also hurts exactly nobody.

And you think that was "the same" as starting an unprovoked war of aggression with many thousands of casualties under clearly false pretenses?

I would say calling a sense of ethics "skewed" which allowed for such an equation would be the understatement of the decade.


User currently offlinegeezer From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 1479 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (2 years 5 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2135 times:

Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 7):
Well, we had one. His name is George Walker Bush. Back in 2003, he said Iraq had WMDs. No weapons were ever found. He was re-elected in 2004. But I guess lies don't count when war and deficits are concerned. No, it's only when the president you dislike says something about his family that turns out to not be as it seems.

Einstein; I'm well aware that you don't like George W. Bush ! And you will no doubt be surprised that I DO agree with you about one thing, re; George Bush; he really SHOULD learn how to pronounce "Nu-cle-er" (as in "nucleus") where the damned word came from; (I used to grit my teeth every time he said "Nuke-U-lar" ! Is "W" hard-headed ? Most definitely! Does George Bush have CLASS ? Put it like this...........almost all Republican presidents have had the good sense to leave office, go home, and SHUT UP; Starting with "the peanut"guy, most Democrats ( think Slick Willy) have run around the world, shooting themselves in the foot, and making asses of themselves; "W" hasn't done that; he's sitting out in Crawford grinning, and really doesn't care what anyone on here thinks of him !

But did he "lie" about Saddam having WMD's ? Let me tell you something........you're a very bright, very intelligent young guy; I've known that for almost two years now; so if you are able to just put your "feelings" aside for a bit, and ask yourself this; what exactly does any POTUS really "know" ? Whether it's Bill Clinton, or whether it's George Bush, they "know" just what a bunch of "thousands" of assets over at C.I.A., N.S.A., D.I.A. his National Security Adviser, his "SecState", SecDef", and any number of other billions of dollars worth of highly paid, highly trained, and quite frequently "highly having their asses hanging way out" types tell them, bright and early every morning when they get their every morning, 7 days a week "briefing", ( from I might add, some highly motivated "spook type" who has been up all night working on it, and trots every morning from Langley to the WH to give his 15 minute "take" on what "is happening", or what several billion dollars worth of intelligence gathering apparatus "thinks" is happening around the world.

In case you missed this, people like Saddam, the midget nutcase in NK, and the "wonderful folks" in the Kremlin don't exactly send the CIA an email every day with pictures and a long "explanation" of all the things they have "been up to" lately, the better to wipe the U.S. off the map any day now. No, it really doesn't "work like that"; it's called "intelligence gathering", and it's partly "comint", partly "humint", partly "sigint", (and a few more kinds of "int" that I probably can't even spell, and a LOT of "it" isn't even "intelligent" ! (But it's all you have, it's all you can get, and it's what you are obliged to "go with" to make decisions, a few of which may determine whether the U.S. is still going to "be here" the next day. or if it's maybe going to be a "large smoking hole in the earth".

You weren't "here yet" during the Cuban Missile Crises; you weren't "around" when Nikita Kruschev came to the U.S., toured our hog farms in Iowa, and got on OUR TV, stuck his fat index finger in the camera, and said to the American people...."we will bury you" ! You probably are not aware of just how very close the U.S. came to being the target of Russian missiles (with nuclear warheads), sitting about 1 minute away from Miami, and with a madman in the Kremlin with his fat little finger on the button.

Obviously, "times" were much different when JFK had to make some very "ballsy" snap decisions, and when Dubya had to worry about Saddam; I don't mean this to be insulting Einstein, as I know you mean well; the problem is, you don't really "know" what you think you "know"; but don't feel bad.......half the time. neither does the POTUS ! (And for all of the reasons alluded to above; I hear so many "opinions" expressed on A.net; do you really think "your side" has a lock on all of the facts ? Do you really think telling someone, In this case someone who has "been around" since the early 1930's that all of your "opinions" are superior to other people's opinions is going to make Obama "look good", and by constantly calling George Bush a liar, is going to make him look bad ? I'm assuming (and I hope I'm correct) that you have all ten of your fingers yet; try this.......think......long and hard........then sit down, and on each of your ten fingers, list ONE smart, intelligent, positive thing that Obama has done for this country, (notice, I said for THIS COUNTRY), ( not for himself ), in the 3 1/2 years he's been in office. Then stick them on a thread so everyone can see them; it will be the shortest thread on record, and YOU will have a lot of fingers left over !

Sadly, you have "bought into" the age-old liberal adage...........call someone you don't like a liar enough times, and sooner or later he becomes a liar ! (But only in YOUR MIND !) I'm really not trying to "defend" George Bush; he really doesn't need me to defend him; hell, he already KNOWS if and when he's told a lie; (everyone else is just guessing !)

Let's see..........your post was # 7; that means at least 4 or 5 posters are telling me, they have "better" sources of information than I have, that their "opinion" is better than my "opinion"..............or maybe just that they are willing to sit up all night, sift through all of their usually on line sources.......and in the morning they're "smart" and anyone who doesn't agree with them is "dumb" ! What you are all not taking into account, I have HISTORY on my side ! I don't have to read a book to know what happened during, say, WW 2; hell, I was WATCHING, I was listening ! I was PRESENT when it was happening! You mentioned "Dubya" wasting "billions"........yeah, he probably could have spent a few less bucks in his 8 yrs; but YOUR guy ! Your guy has wasted more money in just 3 1/2 yrs, than all other POTUS back to, and including George Washington ! ( I wasn't here yet, but I read that in a history book )

Charley



Stupidity: Doing the same thing over and over and over again and expecting a different result; Albert Einstein
User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13220 posts, RR: 77
Reply 14, posted (2 years 5 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2130 times:

I don't know, Grandfather more like, who brought him up.
So it must be a plot of some kind.

I DO know that Reagan on a visit to West Germany as President once told a camp survivor of his memories of being there in WW2, trouble is Ronnie barely left Hollywood in the war.
Seems some of certain persuasion in the US don't mind outright fantasy over a slip of the tongue, at least from certain people, indeed seem to prefer it.
Which explains a few things.


User currently offlineStarAC17 From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 3383 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (2 years 5 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2085 times:

Quoting L-188 (Reply 8):
Only about war and deficts? Really?

Remember this gem....."I DID NOT HAVE SEXUAL RELATIONS WITH THAT WOMAN."

The new stuff is great but it is nice to go back and hear the classics.

Agree or not with Bill Maher he nails it in his closing essay about what lies or alleged lies are accepted in the media and US society at large. Sex related lies are and always have been the worst lies and it isn't because the US is prudish, because you do have one of the most hypersexualized cultures out there. Why is this?

Clip here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrYyN4bWWWQ

Quoting geezer (Reply 13):
Put it like this...........almost all Republican presidents have had the good sense to leave office, go home, and SHUT UP; Starting with "the peanut"guy, most Democrats ( think Slick Willy) have run around the world, shooting themselves in the foot, and making asses of themselves; "W" hasn't done that; he's sitting out in Crawford grinning, and really doesn't care what anyone on here thinks of him !

Clinton and Carter have done humanitarian things after leaving office and while you and many might not like their politics they are charismatic individuals whom people still listen to. Clinton charges IIRC $500,000 a speech and that is a good economic decision on his behalf.

GWB has kept low key because if he were ever to leave the US he would at the best be heckled making it not worth the effort like Cheney not coming to YYZ or YVR a few months back because he would have received a huge deal of backlash. At the worst some countries with big balls might arrest Bush for international war crimes, even though that would last about 5 seconds it would create more trouble than it is worth and he smart enough to know that.



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User currently offlinekiwiinoz From New Zealand, joined Oct 2005, 2165 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (2 years 5 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2080 times:

Quoting L-188 (Reply 8):
That Snoops explaination is about the weakest one I have ever seen on that site.....a few days later the guy claims he was talking about his grandfather.....I call B.S.

Concur. If he says his Dad in public, he has to assume that most people would mean his father directly. He was trying to spin it. But he knew this at the time so therefore knew he couldn't really get caught out for "bare faced lying"

But that's politics so nothing new


User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21479 posts, RR: 54
Reply 17, posted (2 years 5 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2069 times:

Quoting kiwiinoz (Reply 16):
Concur. If he says his Dad in public, he has to assume that most people would mean his father directly. He was trying to spin it. But he knew this at the time so therefore knew he couldn't really get caught out for "bare faced lying"

What would have been the point of "lying" there?

That is an obvious weak link in that argumentative chain.

He was talking about his biological grandfather who cared for him like a father would have. And apparently what he was talking about is factually correct.


User currently offlinebjorn14 From Norway, joined Feb 2010, 3499 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (2 years 5 months 2 days ago) and read 2018 times:

Quoting casinterest (Reply 4):
but it is equally apparent that you also do not do much research,

Research? The words came out of Øbama's mouth why should Geezer have to do ANY research. The hypocrisy of the left is astounding, on one hand were told to believe everything Øbama says and when he lies were told to do research.......oh but then he just mispoke.



"I want to know the voice of God the rest is just details" --A. Einstein
User currently offlinekiwiinoz From New Zealand, joined Oct 2005, 2165 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (2 years 5 months 2 days ago) and read 2001 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 17):
What would have been the point of "lying" there?

That is an obvious weak link in that argumentative chain.

The point of lying is to create a perception in the mind of potential voters that Obama has a closer personal experience of war than he actually has. Clearly, in this case, "my father" as opposed tp "my Grandfather" will have a much greater impact with the voters. I understand the more fatherly role of his GF, but in the world of soundbytes, he needed a more obvious impact.


User currently offline2707200X From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 8544 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (2 years 5 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1981 times:

Quoting geezer (Thread starter):
My question is......would you vote for someone who gives speeches on TV and tells bare-faced lies ? For POTUS ?

Who would take your argument seriously when you have nothing, Charley to back your facts up.

You can't prove that Obama is Muslim cause he ain't

You can't prove that Obama is Kanyan cause he ain't

You can't accept that Obama killed OBL so you (Romney) accuse him of being an appeaser

And now this.

Quoting geezer (Thread starter):
and tells bare-faced lies

Callow conservatives who believe this s... resort to this because they they have nothing of substance to run other that personhood amendments, gay bashing ordinances, war on women and workers and birther laws to go on.

[Edited 2012-05-02 02:17:45]


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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21479 posts, RR: 54
Reply 21, posted (2 years 5 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1980 times:

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 18):
Research? The words came out of Øbama's mouth why should Geezer have to do ANY research.

Obama was obviously speaking of his biological grandfather who effectively raised Barack like his direct son.

A tiny little bit of research would have made clear that a) Obama's story was actually factual and that b) the apparently private name he had for his grandfather should probably not have been used in public in order to avoid the gigantic confusion he apparently caused for some people with a pre-existing agenda.

What any potential motivation for a "lie" might have been is still unanswered.

Apart from uncomfortably exposing the intense ill will some people are harbouring against Obama regardless of any factual basis – what actual meat is there to the accusations of him "lying"? Where is an actual "lie"? To what imaginable end? And why is him "lying" supposed to be a more plausible explanation than Obama merely not translating his own habitual name for the man who raised him to the publically more conventional one?

This is really a bit much, particularly regarding very personal matters whose minor details are entirely irrelevant to his public office. Regarding the political statement he was making, he had his facts apparently correct.


User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21479 posts, RR: 54
Reply 22, posted (2 years 5 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1966 times:

Quoting kiwiinoz (Reply 19):
The point of lying is to create a perception in the mind of potential voters that Obama has a closer personal experience of war than he actually has. Clearly, in this case, "my father" as opposed tp "my Grandfather" will have a much greater impact with the voters. I understand the more fatherly role of his GF, but in the world of soundbytes, he needed a more obvious impact.

Given that his personal circumstances while growing up are on the very public record, I have serious doubts that he attempted a deliberate distortion there. That he was merely using a habitual name without an extra translation looks like a much more likely explanation here.

The burden of proof is on the one making a steadfast claim of deceit, and that proof is still completely absent.

One might raise suspicions of a minor distortion here, but all the outrage is completely and utterly misplaced and out of any possible proportion.

If that is already the political substance of your opposition to Obama, he must be a saint.


User currently offlinealoges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8707 posts, RR: 43
Reply 23, posted (2 years 5 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1961 times:

Perhaps it is time for another one of these:



because this hasn't sunk in yet:




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User currently offlinekiwiinoz From New Zealand, joined Oct 2005, 2165 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (2 years 5 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1935 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 22):
Given that his personal circumstances while growing up are on the very public record, I have serious doubts that he attempted a deliberate distortion there. That he was merely using a habitual name without an extra translation looks like a much more likely explanation here.

The burden of proof is on the one making a steadfast claim of deceit, and that proof is still completely absent.

I am not giving proof. I am offering an opinion. And I maintain that he was posturing in this case. Others will disagree.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 22):
If that is already the political substance of your opposition to Obama, he must be a saint.

Actually, I am a fan of Obama. However that does not mean that I will swallow everything he says and assume he is some sort of saint. He can play the dodgy politician just as much as the next guy


25 Post contains images MadameConcorde : My father (RIP) was born 1/12/1920. He was a high-ranked career military man. He served in WWII, Korea War and Indochina War + several missions overs
26 Klaus : Sure. But jumping on him for calling the man "father" who actually raised him – is that really the thing to do? I for my part find that more than j
27 kiwiinoz : I think you misunderstand me, (or possibly my take on the situation). My belief is that he used the term "father" in this situation for his own perso
28 Post contains images RussianJet : Oh yeah, I mean some SERIOUS hoops were jumped through to 'come up with' the Grandfather who practically raised. Man, they must have spent hours and
29 aloges : He employed the story to highlight the importance of providing essential services to veterans. He added that the man who was the most prominent fathe
30 Klaus : I still don't see much of a point there. Had he said "grandfather" it would have had exactly the same impact. Far too little potential gain to take a
31 kiwiinoz : I don't think "we" should automatically assume anything. As an individual, we should each draw our own conclusion and opinion from what is presented
32 moo : He did enough research to post an inflammatory topic (not even a link to an article with the information in, an actual topic with primary information
33 aloges : Forming an opinion should involve at least a quick glance at the background information provided, such as in this thread. I would be very surprised i
34 CXfirst : Why is this newsworthy? If Obama had a grandfather who served in the war, then there would be absolutely no reason to lie. This is simply Obama having
35 Rara :
36 ltbewr : From the time he ran for POTUS to the present, he has from time to time made references to his maternal grand-parents and their parts in WWII. His Gra
37 kiwiinoz : what would suggest that i didnt possess the background information? Bizarre trying to get a point understood here. I of course was not suggesting any
38 Post contains images aloges : Oh, alright, sorry. I did misunderstand you in as much as I thought you had an issue with the father/grandfather thing. Can I blame it on a lack of c
39 Post contains images Klaus : But then that would be much less incendiary and much less apt to promoting a specific political slant, wouldn't it…? At least it is pretty hard to
40 moo : Why shouldnt Obama use his background for his so-called political gain from time to time? After all, everyone else is trying to use it against him, a
41 Post contains images MadameConcorde : Thread title is Obama; "My Father Served In WW 2" True Or False this is getting confusing. Was this WWII thing about BHO's father or his grandfather?
42 Post contains links aloges : Please RT*T. It is about his grandfather who, for most of his childhood, raised him like a father.
43 moo : Its not confusing at all, if you read whats been written. Obama grew up with, essentially, three men playing the role of father in his life. Barack O
44 Post contains images zkojq : This video was uploaded in 2008. Why is suddenly being discussed now? Its not like Romney ever lies, is it.... No, that is what some of the intel said
45 kiwiinoz : Agree, he should. Never indicated that he shouldn't.
46 KiwiRob : Probably because I doubt he'll ever leave the US, he's probably too chicken, chances are if he did end up somewhere else he'd be arrested, plus nobod
47 Post contains images moo : Sorry, mistook your comment then - it was ambiguous as to whether you were supporting one side or the other, and I chose to read it in a certain way
48 dl021 : I'll go a step further, without reading any of the above posts.....President (then Senator) Obama knew precisely what he was saying and knew that he'd
49 einsteinboricua : 1. I don't dislike Bush. I only criticize his policies of starting a war that shouldn't have been started in the first place and which raised the def
50 Post contains images aloges : Words fail me, so here's a picture instead. I think they meant "engaging" as in "killing one of their highest leaders", among other definitions.
51 Revelation : We're well aware you don't like Obama. A) Really? Who told you this? B) Do you do everything others tell you to do? C) Have you ever met a human bein
52 windy95 : True of False... Did Obama say he was going to close GITMO? Did Senator Obama crossed the country promising that his campaign, and administration woul
53 tugger : You know, this is the biggest load of B.S. out there. "The President stated he would.... " but yet EVERY President promises they will do stuff that t
54 Post contains images aloges : For a start, there is this thing called a parliament which is actually the group in charge of passing laws and budgets. Maybe someone should explain
55 NoUFO : I think this is all true, and yet Dreadnought wonders why Obama's supporters are disappointed.
56 Revelation : True or False: Romney is out there right now making promises without knowing the makeup of the Congress should he be elected, or knowing what budget
57 windy95 : You would think that with $15T of debt and growing that we all would be living large. We already know that. How come the Democratic held Senate has n
58 srbmod : On that note, this discussion is now locked. Any posts that appear after this locking message will be deleted for housekeeping purposes.[Edited 2012-
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