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GM To Revive SuperSport/El Camino Models In USA  
User currently offlinestasisLAX From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3283 posts, RR: 6
Posted (2 years 5 months 15 hours ago) and read 2510 times:

2013 Chevrolet "Commodore" Sedan



General Motors wants more rear-wheel drive vehicles in its lineup and has plans to bring more to America, including a new RWD Chevrolet sedan, a station wagon, and perhaps even a ute (aka a new El Camino) and the currently Chinese market only Buick Park Avenue.

GM already sells a rear-wheel-drive Chevrolet sedan in the U.S., but only sells them to police departments and municipal governments. The Chevrolet Caprice "PPV" is based on the long-wheelbase version of the Australian Holden Commodore.

Now, GM will build a civilian version of the the Caprice PPV and market it as the Chevrolet "SuperSport" sedan. Under the hood is GM's 6.2-liter V-8 (with advanced "displacement on demand" cylinder deactivation) creating more than 400 horsepower. The SuperSport badge will also go onto Chevrolet's NASCAR racing entry in 2013.

Automotive press reports this week (from numerous sources) state that after the V8 SuperSport appears in Chevy dealerships, a more fuel-efficient 300-horsepower 3.6-liter V-6 model will follow it to market. By 2015, when the SuperSport/Commodore rear-wheel-drive Zeta platform is updated, production of this vehicle (as well as the Caprice PPV) will also come to the United States, opening up the market for more police car sales, as some local and state governments will only buy American-made cruisers. Some municipalities and states are required to buy American-made vehicles by state law.

Here's even better news, motorheads: GM will likely build a rear-wheel-drive station wagon as well as a sport-utility (aka Holden Ute) model. The updated Holden-engineered Zeta platform that Chevy utilizes for the Caprice (called the Zeta 2 inside General Motors) can handle all of these vehicles, Another distinct possibility is that Buick will also get a variant of the Zeta 2 platform, possibly a replacement of the currently "Chinese market only" Buick Park Avenue luxury sedan.

Really, all of these vehicles are derivatives of the deceased Pontiac G8, which continues to be sold as the Holden Commodore in several international markets. Chevrolet is simply picking up Pontiac's gameplan for the G8, and running with it in order to compete the growing number of larger rear-wheel drive sedans offered to American buyers. The new SuperSport will compete with the Dodge Charger, Kia K9, the Hyundai Genesis, and so on.

Source: http://blog.caranddriver.com/chevrol...-possible-for-next-gen-on-zeta-ii/

[Edited 2012-05-03 19:27:05]


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User currently offlineNewark727 From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 1364 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (2 years 5 months 15 hours ago) and read 2490 times:

A wagon based off the Holden family? That's pretty bold. I'd buy it if I had the gas money.

User currently offlinecpd From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 4879 posts, RR: 38
Reply 2, posted (2 years 5 months 14 hours ago) and read 2467 times:

Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter):

Now, GM will build a civilian version of the the Caprice PPV and market it as the Chevrolet "SuperSport" sedan. Under the hood is GM's 6.2-liter V-8 (with advanced "displacement on demand" cylinder deactivation) creating more than 400 horsepower. The SuperSport badge will also go onto Chevrolet's NASCAR racing entry in 2013.

I believe it will be off the short-wheelbase VF Commodore V8, but not a 6.2L V8.

I also believe there will be one version with a rear-mounted sequential gearbox made by an Australian manufacturer based in Victoria.

I'm not sure if the USA will get that model. I understand it will be an expensive, top of the range model. I also don't know if it will be a volume production model or a limited edition.

The new cars have been seen out and about in various locations (including Sweden) wearing heavy disguise and temporary headlights and tail-lights, indicating that Holden is doing something a bit eye-catching for the headlight and tail-light designs to go with the alloy body panels.


User currently offlineKevinL1011 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 2964 posts, RR: 48
Reply 3, posted (2 years 5 months 14 hours ago) and read 2457 times:

Quoting cpd (Reply 2):
The new cars have been seen out and about in various locations (including Sweden) wearing heavy disguise and temporary headlights and tail-lights, indicating that Holden is doing something a bit eye-catching for the headlight and tail-light designs to go with the alloy body panels.

I wish Holden would take over command and control of GM here in the US. GM Detriot is so full of ex-Proctor and Gamble marketing execs that are not genuine car people (Like over @ Ford). They killed Pontiac. Unforgivable. I don't trust GM management as far as the wind can blow them. I used to be a real solid GM guy. Heck, I've owned an AC Delco service center over 20 yrs but now, i'm liking whats going on over at the blue oval.   
I wouldn't hold my breath on expecting anything GM says to appear.



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User currently offlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15749 posts, RR: 27
Reply 4, posted (2 years 5 months 14 hours ago) and read 2437 times:

Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter):
General Motors wants more rear-wheel drive vehicles in its lineup and has plans to bring more to America, including a new RWD Chevrolet sedan,

Good.

Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter):
a station wagon,

Good.

Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter):
perhaps even a ute (aka a new El Camino)

Keep it.

Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter):
Now, GM will build a civilian version of the the Caprice PPV and market it as the Chevrolet "SuperSport" sedan.

Stupid name. Why not just call it the Caprice? Or the Commodore or Statesman if they want a name less familiar to Americans?



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User currently offlinestasisLAX From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3283 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (2 years 5 months 13 hours ago) and read 2422 times:

Quoting cpd (Reply 2):
I believe it will be off the short-wheelbase VF Commodore V8, but not a 6.2L V8.

  

Yes, the reports are saying the SuperSport (SS) will be on the short-wheelbase version, not the Caprice's longer-wheelbase "WM" platform. In its most basic form, the new SS is a bow-tie badged version of the now-dead Pontiac G8. The Park Avenue variant (if built) would almost certainly be on the larger wheelbase, like the Caprice cruiser utilizes.



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39898 posts, RR: 74
Reply 6, posted (2 years 5 months 9 hours ago) and read 2393 times:

Although I've never understood the purpose of a 'truck' on a car platform, it's still in the right direction. I'm glad that they're talking about a possible wagon on this platform being available in the United States. I hope it gets woodgrain side panels as well.

Quoting KevinL1011 (Reply 3):
I wish Holden would take over command and control of GM here in the US.

  

Quoting KevinL1011 (Reply 3):
GM Detriot is so full of ex-Proctor and Gamble marketing execs that are not genuine car people (Like over @ Ford)

I thought GM was now ran by lawyers and other government bureaucrats.

Quoting KevinL1011 (Reply 3):
Heck, I've owned an AC Delco service center over 20 yrs but now, i'm liking whats going on over at the blue oval.

Working on a Lincoln Town Car and Ford Torino will make you fall in love with the blue oval.  
Quoting BMI727 (Reply 4):
Or the Commodore or Statesman if they want a name less familiar to Americans?

How about the Kingswood?
Perhaps that can be very popular in some circles.  



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User currently onlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7443 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (2 years 5 months 9 hours ago) and read 2388 times:

Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter):
really, all of these vehicles are derivatives of the Holden Commodore, which used to be sold as the Pontiac G8 in the North American market.

Fixed it for you.

Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter):
and the currently Chinese market only Buick Park Avenue.

It's not just Chinese market, the same car is sold in the US as your Chevy Caprise PPV, in Aus and NZ as the Holden Statesman and in Korea as the Daewoo Veritas

Quoting stasisLAX (Reply 5):
The Park Avenue variant (if built) would almost certainly be on the larger wheelbase, like the Caprice cruiser utilizes.

Here's your Buick Park Avenue, it's already built.

http://www.carautoportal.com/car-images/buick/buick-park-avenue/buick-park-avenue.jpg

and the Daewoo Veritas

http://www.dieselstation.com/wallpapers/albums/Daewoo/Veritas/Daewoo-Veritas-widescreen-17.jpg

and the Chevy Caprise PPV



and the Holden Caprise

http://dayerses.com/data_images/posts/holden-caprice/holden-caprice-09.jpg


Holden Commodore Ute

http://image.trucktrend.com/f/truck-news/gms-reuss-hints-holden-ute-could-come-stateside/31081562/holden-ute-pickup.jpg

Holden Commodore Sportswagon



and what they are all based on the Holden Commodore



User currently offlinefridgmus From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1442 posts, RR: 10
Reply 8, posted (2 years 5 months ago) and read 2296 times:
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I really like the Holden Commodore Ute, yeah it looks likes the El Camino, but so what! I liked the El Camino! I drove a Ute the last time I was in Australia and aside from the right hand drive, I really liked it!   

I'd like to see it with 4WD or AWD, I'd put some aftermarket suspension on it to raise it off the ground just a little bit more and soup up the engine! I was thinking a Paxton Supercharger will hopefully fit under the hood! That's of course presuming it has a V8!

I really like the way the Australians design cars. We need them to send some engineers and designers to Detroit! Not that those idiots would listen!

Thanks for posting StasisLAX!

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User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7524 posts, RR: 24
Reply 9, posted (2 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2258 times:

Quoting KevinL1011 (Reply 3):
I wouldn't hold my breath on expecting anything GM says to appear.

I'm thinking similarly; this seems to literally go against the current CAFE tide.

Maybe GM's banking on the law being either neutered or nuked some time next year and gas prices significantly dropping in the forseeable future.

Long story short (and forgive my being a "Doubting-Thomas' on this): I'll believe it when I actually see these models on the dealership lots (which would definitely be a good thing BTW).



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User currently offlineKevinL1011 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 2964 posts, RR: 48
Reply 10, posted (2 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2190 times:

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 9):
Long story short (and forgive my being a "Doubting-Thomas' on this): I'll believe it when I actually see these models on the dealership lots (which would definitely be a good thing BTW).

Maybe it's just our age that makes us jaded to auto company hype. Been let down too many times. I'm still waiting for the Mustang Sport Wagon that was supposed to appear in 1966!   



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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29802 posts, RR: 58
Reply 11, posted (2 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2176 times:

Let me give everybody a piece of advice that was common through the 1980's but was becoming irrelevant.

Never date a woman that drives an El Camino



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User currently offlinestasisLAX From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3283 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (2 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2158 times:

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 9):
Maybe GM's banking on the law being either neutered or nuked some time next year and gas prices significantly dropping in the forseeable future.

Well, there is some hope. Oil dropped in price by $4 a barrel today and is back under $100 per barrel (and would be about $70 per barrel if it wasn't for the freakin' insane oil speculators in the marketplace!). And if Romney wins and Republicans figure out a way to control both houses of Congress, I think the existing CAFE standards will be killed off. We shall see.



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User currently offlinestasisLAX From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3283 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (2 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2150 times:

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 7):
Fixed it for you.

Very true! Pardon my American-centric viewpoint. While Holden is a GM subsidiary - all of these Zeta platform (Commodore/Caprice/Camaro/Park Avenue/SS/El Camino?) vehicles were engineered and developed by Holden in Australia. One question - is there any chance that the Monaro coupe will be revived? I mean, Holden had the cool Coupe 60 concept vehicle a few years ago, and we now know that the next-generation Ford Mustang has been engineered for international markets (both LHD and RHD versions will be built), which makes me wonder if the Monaro will be resurrected by Holden?



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User currently onlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7443 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (2 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2127 times:

Quoting stasisLAX (Reply 13):
One question - is there any chance that the Monaro coupe will be revived?

I don't think it sold very well, it was way to similar to the sedan, it didn't offer anything the sedan couldn't, they never made a convertible, I would have taken the Holden Ute over the Monaro any day.


User currently offlineMarcus From Mexico, joined Apr 2001, 1799 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (2 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2066 times:

Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter):
Really, all of these vehicles are derivatives of the deceased Pontiac G8,

Wrong....the G8 was just a rebadged Holden not the other way around.



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User currently offlinecpd From Australia, joined Jun 2008, 4879 posts, RR: 38
Reply 16, posted (2 years 4 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 1997 times:

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 14):
I don't think it sold very well,

Is this deliberate, or just erroneous information? They sold very well - and the car was very well received!

Production finished and it made the profits it needed to make. This was back in the day when Holden sales were very strong and the company made big profits.

Quoting stasisLAX (Thread starter):
Really, all of these vehicles are derivatives of the deceased Pontiac G8,


I'm afraid the person above is right - the G8 is only a restyled VE Commodore, which of course none of the North American GM divisions wanted at the start.

It appears the divisions fight against each other, rather than work with each-other. Much like Ford USA insiders always drop rumours of the death of Ford Australia production, always perfectly timed to match a new model release by Ford Australia.

Quoting stasisLAX (Reply 13):
Pardon my American-centric viewpoint. While Holden is a GM subsidiary - all of these Zeta platform (Commodore/Caprice/Camaro/Park Avenue/SS/El Camino?) vehicles were engineered and developed by Holden in Australia.

Don't worry, it's just a temporary set-back, I'm sure those in power in GM NA will figure out a way to kill off Holden. They've been trying for ages. Kill off Holden and feather the North American GM divisional nests..

[Edited 2012-05-05 18:33:39]

User currently onlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7443 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (2 years 4 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 1973 times:

Quoting cpd (Reply 16):

Is this deliberate, or just erroneous information? They sold very well - and the car was very well received!

Production finished and it made the profits it needed to make. This was back in the day when Holden sales were very strong and the company made big profits.

I don't believe it was a success for the very simple reason Holden didn't build a successor, if it was a successful model Holden would have built a forth Generation model based on the VE Commodore.


User currently onlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12589 posts, RR: 25
Reply 18, posted (2 years 4 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 1949 times:

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 9):
I'm thinking similarly; this seems to literally go against the current CAFE tide.
Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 9):
Maybe GM's banking on the law being either neutered or nuked some time next year and gas prices significantly dropping in the forseeable future.

Or, perish the thought, GM is selling enough higher efficiency cars that they can sell a few lower efficiency cars for those willing to pay for them.

Quoting L-188 (Reply 11):
Never date a woman that drives an El Camino

Women who drive old-style Subaru wagons have hairy legs!



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User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7524 posts, RR: 24
Reply 19, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1853 times:

Quoting Revelation (Reply 18):
Or, perish the thought, GM is selling enough higher efficiency cars that they can sell a few lower efficiency cars for those willing to pay for them.

GM's major CAFE darling, the Volt, isn't/wasn't selling too great and if I'm not mistaken, production has either slowed down or been temporarily halted.

Among conventionally-powered models (mainly the Cruze & Sonic) might meet today's CAFE figure (or at least get close to it); the upcoming future CAFE increases will make the Sonic & Cruze appear as gas guzzlers by comparison never mind any large V8 rear-driver.

I'm just telling it like it is. Back in the mid 80s, when gas prices leveled and dropped; many (though certainly not all) buyers indeed started gravitating towards larger and/or more powerful vehicles again. As a result, GM started getting financially penalized by the CAFE laws for every V8-powered car that sold.

The only reason Ford even offered a diesel-powered Escort at the time was to offset any CAFE penalties incurred from every V8-powered Mustang, T-Bird, LTD and Crown Vic that was sold.



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39898 posts, RR: 74
Reply 20, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 1838 times:

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 19):
The only reason Ford even offered a diesel-powered Escort at the time was to offset any CAFE penalties incurred from every V8-powered Mustang, T-Bird, LTD and Crown Vic that was sold.

Ford needs to do that again and sale the diesel powered Fiesta in the US. Then Ford could start making some real cars again besides the Mustang. The current Taurus and the small front-drive alphabet soup models at Lincoln just isn't going to cut it.



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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29802 posts, RR: 58
Reply 21, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 1823 times:

Quoting Revelation (Reply 18):

Quoting L-188 (Reply 11):Never date a woman that drives an El Camino
Women who drive old-style Subaru wagons have hairy legs!

Subaru Brats?

That is to be expected with just about all of them. See up here Subarus are owned by hippies



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User currently onlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12589 posts, RR: 25
Reply 22, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 1814 times:

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 19):
The only reason Ford even offered a diesel-powered Escort at the time was to offset any CAFE penalties incurred from every V8-powered Mustang, T-Bird, LTD and Crown Vic that was sold.

So CAFE is working as intended.



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User currently offlinestasisLAX From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3283 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1799 times:

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 17):
I don't believe it was a success for the very simple reason Holden didn't build a successor, if it was a successful model Holden would have built a forth Generation model based on the VE Commodore.

Large car sales are way down (large car segment is down overall) in Australia. Yet the Commodore was the second most popular new car sold in Australia in the fourth quarter of 2011, only beaten by the Mazda 3 model line-up. The Ford Falcons sales are down over 40 percent for the 2011 calendar year, again reflecting a move by Australian new car buyers to smaller, cheaper, more fuel efficient cars.

Given this search for fuel economy, I find it interesting that diesel powered cars are not popular in Oz (about 10 percent of total new car sales), yet one-third of sport utility vehicles are diesel powered.



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User currently offlinekent350787 From Australia, joined May 2008, 965 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 1792 times:

Quoting stasisLAX (Reply 23):
Given this search for fuel economy, I find it interesting that diesel powered cars are not popular in Oz (about 10 percent of total new car sales), yet one-third of sport utility vehicles are diesel powered.

Diesel in Australia hasn't had the price incentive of Europe, and diesel cars (until recently all imported, primarily from Europe) have had a significant price premium, meaning that you need to do a lot of km to see a saving in your hip pocket. Ford and Holden do not produce a diesel large car - the Focus (imported) and Cruze (locally assembled) are the diesel cars in their respective line-ups. The Ford Territory SUV (which cannibalised Falcon wagon sales) does now have a diesel and, given it and other SUVs are such fuel guzzlers, it's seen as the logical choice by many people.

Ford has recently introduced a turbo petrol 4 in its Falcon at the same price as the OHV in-line 6, and it will be interesting to see if that changes anything for Falcon sales. There has also been a (relatively unsuccessful) push to LPG for the Falcon and Commodore. No diesel plans for the Commodore AFAIK.....


25 Post contains images PHLBOS : Not quite. By the time the diesel Escort came out in 1985, gas prices were dropping and public demand for diesel-powered cars soured in the U.S. foll
26 cpd : They are popular, but the locals manufacturers Ford, Holden and Toyota are dragging their feet. Ford has a diesel in Territory SUV, and Holden has a
27 Post contains images kent350787 : And of course you are absolutely correct - if I could edit my post on this point I would. I do remember the old OHV engine from my youth And i agree
28 Post contains images cpd : The GM V6 (LFX I think it is called, 3.6L but marketed here as SIDI) is actually a very sweet engine too, it is raucous at full tilt, but it goes lik
29 Post contains images Superfly : I doubt the diesel powered Escort with Mazda engine worked as intended.
30 Post contains images kent350787 : It surprises me too. I've been wary of Mazda since almost buying a distant 3 predecessor - and seeing how badly those 323s dated and aged. I suppose
31 Post contains images cpd : It'll be announced some time this morning. Apologies for bumping the old message, but to post something else would be a double post - which is also a
32 Superfly : No need to apologize. As long as the thread isn't archived, it's not an "old" message. I hope this car is a success for G.M.
33 Post contains images cpd : No announcement yet.. It was tipped to be today - but nothing so far. The wait is ridiculous! Announce it already.
34 KiwiRob : You can't blame the Territory for killing Falcon wagon sales, you can blame Ford for not bothering to update the wagon along the same lines as they h
35 Post contains links cpd : http://www.caradvice.com.au/173251/c...odore-us-export-program-confirmed/ It's only a couple of thousand cars, nothing more than that. So it won't be
36 Post contains links cpd : And here is the real deal: http://www.carsguide.com.au/images/u...lden_vf_commdore_spy_photo_1-w.jpg Spotted in testing recently in Victoria - heavily
37 Post contains links stasisLAX : OK, motorheads - it is now official. The next-gen VF Commodore WILL indeed be the new Chevrolet Super Sport (SS). "Holden has announced a new export p
38 Post contains images KiwiRob : It's a facelift, from what I've read on the net only the bonnet and boot lid will be in alloy, it's not a new model, the change is probably like the
39 cpd : From the sources I have, it's a massive update - rather than a mere facelift. That site you've linked to is totally wrong. They've got the VE Series
40 KiwiRob : Doesn't really matter after 6-7 years Holden should be releasing a completely new model, not a facelift. Ford Australia has the same problem the FG s
41 Post contains images cpd : It's new enough for the platform to get a new name. Wait and see. It's going to be very popular when it launches. Maybe in the mean time, we'll start
42 stasisLAX : Indeed, that seems to be a quite old photo - that's a Pontiac G8 in the middle of the photo, if I'm not mistaken.
43 Post contains links and images KiwiRob : It may not be a G8, Holden did a run of Commodore SS's with the G8 front end to use up parts they had lying around.
44 Marcus : Indeed....I saw one car like that in Adelaide a few months ago, I also saw a couple of Commodores with the aftermarket front end grill with the Chevy
45 Post contains links kent350787 : SMH reporting ute and wagon definitely not part of current plans, with the SS sedan to be a niche performance model. http://smh.drive.com.au/motor-new
46 cpd : I think they just get the bits and pieces for the Middle Eastern Market Chevrolet Lumina SS, or otherwise, the Chevrolet Caprice for the Middle East
47 stasisLAX : I see... as a long-time Pontiac fan (having owned 5 of them), it brings a tear to my eyes to see the Pontiac signature grille still being utlilized o
48 Post contains images cpd : I believe this is a one off only, and will never be sold in the USA again. It will probably be a stop-gap for a front-drive "SS" model which will be
49 Post contains images Ken777 : I don't. GM is delivering a wide range of cars & trucks to a far wider market. Holden has a limited market and had the personnel to handle that m
50 Post contains images kent350787 : My parents bought an HZ Kingswood (the first with half decent handling) after I crashed their Toyota Corona and it was OK, although fit and finish wa
51 cpd : Remember, everything is more expensive here. Even a humble Chev Suburban back in the old days (1998) cost bucket loads of money. Suburban 1500 - $67,
52 Post contains images Superfly : Are you talking about the rock group KISS? Their principle was to make lots of money and get laid.
53 WildcatYXU : Keep It Simple and Stupid - a very good principle to follow. At least for engineers. But your explanation is even better. Perhaps they would perform
54 Post contains images Superfly : Ooops! Brain fart on my part. I've heard that term a million times. Agreed.
55 Post contains links and images KiwiRob : The best of all the full size Holdens was the HQ Monaro GTS 350 Coupe, one of my neighbours had one when I was a kid. and for Superfly the Sandman pa
56 Post contains images kent350787 : I just thought the SS was an interesting comparison - dollar parity, and currently $41,990 on the road here (I think RRP is closer to $45,000) - and
57 stasisLAX : The price I am quoting is the rumored (from the US auto press) base price for the SS here in the USA - and the price does not include destination cha
58 KiwiRob : Which is a lot more expensive than the same car in NZ, taxes in Australia must be super high. In NZ a 911 Turbo S will set you back 385,000 NZD which
59 Post contains images cpd : Luxury car tax - a big fat money grab that starts at $55,000. It hits everything from that price level onwards, even locally made cars if I remember r
60 BMI727 : In the US you'd pay about $115,000 less than that. Unless Porsche is throwing in a free Cayman, those taxes and fees are ridiculous.
61 melpax : With a matress in the back & a satin interior. The original shaggin' wagon, or to put it bluntly a 'f*** truck'....
62 KiwiRob : I don't believe it's all taxes, I've always thought European manufacturers subsidise their sales in the US, they need the US market for the volume bu
63 kent350787 : I agree - even allowing for taxes, lucury car prices here in the antipodes are still masively inflated, as that' what the market will bear. Tariff re
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