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Ban Animals Testing And Tiger Trade - Petition  
User currently offlinevirginblue4 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2008, 902 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 812 times:

Hello everyone,

I'm not completely sure if I can post links to petitions but couldn't find anything in the rules about it.

I completely disagree with animal testing and believe it is disgusting that it is still used in 2012. Also with so few tigers left, I feel it's time these charities are supported. Please sign the petitions if you agree. Thank you.

Here is a short video from 'Lush' - creators of animal testing petition - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2NbBXFskMc


Animal Testing - http://www.fightinganimaltesting.com/sign-the-petition/

Tiger trade - http://www.tigertime.info/bantigertrade.html

Jordan


The amazing tale of flight.
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User currently offlinefrancoflier From France, joined Oct 2001, 3743 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 776 times:

Aren't important drugs tested on animals?

I couldn't agree more that we stopped testing cosmetics and other trivial stuff on animals, but what about a new cancer treatment or something similar?

Tiger trade, like all animal trade, is also quite disgusting. But unfortunately as long as there are people with an ego and wallet bigger than their brain who want a gaudy trophy rug in their tasteless living room...



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19549 posts, RR: 58
Reply 2, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 720 times:

Without animal testing, a lot of us would be dead by now.

I agree with Franco that testing of cosmetics and such needs to stop. Also, I'm not sure how I feel about purely academic research with no real practical application being done on vertebrates. Sometimes, applications appear, but I'd rather see an application in mind.

Animal testing is necessary to validate drug delivery systems, to check drugs for safety, to establish various pharmacological parameters, etc. etc. etc. If you actually work in medicine, you quickly understand why it is necessary. I don't like it; nobody does.


User currently offlinevirginblue4 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2008, 902 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 666 times:

Sorry I didn't make it clear, I am referring to cosmetic testing which is what the petition is about. If at the end of the day it is for medical reasons, although I don't like it, I believe it needs to be done (although it depends on what it is).


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User currently offlinegeezer From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 1479 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 592 times:

It's entirely possible that many on this forum may live to see the tiger become extinct; at least in the wild. I suppose laws do help some, in certain places, but in many of the places where exotic animals such as tigers live, I'm afraid all the laws you can pass won't do any good; for many reasons........many areas in Africa elephants are still killed, just for their "parts"; the people doing the killing have no concept of what "extinction" even means, much less care about it if they did.

The one that really troubles me the most, is the killing of whales, done mostly by a people who are for the most part, very decent people.

Another one that really bothers me, (and could be made to be "non-profitable", if enough people cared, is the wholesale slaughter of large reptiles, such as pythons and monitor lizards, in southeast Asia; I just saw a film about this on TV recently; I think all of the "Hollywood Hypocrite" types that love to "flaunt" their python-skin designer shoes need to be ostracized from society; (or better yet, attacked by a band of pygmies with spray cans of paint)

Charley



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User currently offlinefrancoflier From France, joined Oct 2001, 3743 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (2 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 554 times:

Quoting geezer (Reply 4):
The one that really troubles me the most, is the killing of whales, done mostly by a people who are for the most part, very decent people.

I'll be sad to see the whales go. It's one of Greeanpeace's fight I do support.
The hunger for Asian populations for seafood is causing a major strain of the world's oceans, not just the whales. There are many species which suffer from that, not just the whales, and very often the popularity of a certain dish comes from mythical health properties or simply a status symbol.



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User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12996 posts, RR: 100
Reply 6, posted (2 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 474 times:
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Quoting virginblue4 (Thread starter):
I completely disagree with animal testing and believe it is disgusting that it is still used in 2012

I'm glad you clarified on the medical. I'm alive due to animal testing. There is no doubt I would be dead today if a surgical technique wasn't perfected on pigs. I was told my operating surgeon killed the first 4 pigs he tried the operation on. The next 16 survived. As did the *one* prior human patient for the operation. The doctors explained that 180 pigs died prior to finding the technique that 'should work.'

Thanks to further animal testing over the following decades, a five hour heroic surgery is now a 20 minute outpatient service. Well that and fiber optic lasers replaced a scalpel.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 2):
Without animal testing, a lot of us would be dead by now.

Myself included.

I don't condone cruelty to animals, but for common animals used to save a human life, there is work that needs to be done. e.g. I'm convinced a certain chemical is responsible for 60% of the spike in autism. But it will take animal testing to prove it. Is that worth it to better understand autism?

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 2):
Also, I'm not sure how I feel about purely academic research with no real practical application being done on vertebrates. Sometimes, applications appear, but I'd rather see an application in mind.

I'm alive due to such testing on vertebrates. So I have a different opinion. Now, there was an application in mind. One that if it was developed 3 months later, there would be no lightsaber. But what about autism research?

Ok, I'm going to sound like a conspiracy theorist, but when I was a grad student studying combustion, I noted that autism spiked 18 to 36 months in regions after the introduction of MTBE. (I was doing a paper on the merits of ethanol vs. MTBE while another grad student was writing a paper on regional spikes in autism... She had tables of when autism spiken in a region. I had tables on ethanol and MTBE regional consumption and air quality (NOx in the urban air shed)) Can I prove it?   

But to test that theory would require first 'aging' some vertebrates, exposing them to chemicals (MTBE), breeding them, and comparing their autism rate versus a same group. I believe the research is worthwhile. But it would be debatable.



I hope a solution is found to preserve the Tigers.

Lightsaber



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