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Obama Openly Backs Gay Marriage  
User currently offlineakiss20 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 603 posts, RR: 5
Posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3308 times:

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news...obama-backs-same-sex-marriage?lite

I am somewhat surprised but pleased by this. For the first time in my (granted short thusfar) life, I feel as if I have a president who actually will fight for my rights and recognizes me as an equal citizen.

I fear that this may turn into a 2004 election all over again, but I feel that in the 8 years since '04, the country's views on gay marriage has substantially evolved. With a majority of Americans supporting it (50% in '12, down from 53% in '11, versus 42% in '04 http://www.gallup.com/poll/154529/Ha...-Support-Legal-Gay-Marriage.aspx), and the economy such a huge issue, I don't think it will be as useful of an issue to motivate the far right base.


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User currently onlinevikkyvik From United States of America, joined exactly 11 years ago today! , 9799 posts, RR: 26
Reply 1, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3294 times:
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Awesome.

Always makes me happy when a prominent politician has the balls to actually say something like that. Even better that it's the President.

Now granted, maybe he's pandering to his supporters....but anyway, still awesome.



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User currently offlineflymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7124 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3232 times:

I would not get too excited about this. I can see the significance of it, being the first sitting president to say it. That's not a bad thing, but.....

One until a case goes to the supreme court if one ever does this is a state issue.

Second this is the same President Obama who for the last few years has said over and over again he is NOT for same sex marriage. This is a purely political move coming from the master politician.



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User currently offlinetugger From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 5427 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3215 times:

Quoting vikkyvik (Reply 1):
Now granted, maybe he's pandering to his supporters....but anyway, still awesome.

Same reason why he didn't state such a position previously. But hey, he's a politician, so I expect him to be political. Everyone knew that if push came to shove he would not have opposed it.

When you get right down to it, there is no real reason to not support same-sex marriage. If I ever care to get into the (what turns out to be, endless, unresolvable, and silly) discussion, I ask: "Why do you want to deny marriage to same-sex partners. Why does it make any sense, what does it affect?" and it ALWAYS comes down to religion/belief and "what they are used to/raised with". It is never based on anything real or valid. Just "they don't like it".

So bring it on.

I support marriage and understand the fact that a society needs people that will commit to a loved one to thrive, and the more that do that the better (and decrease the burden/cost on government).

Tugg



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User currently offlinemt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6574 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3195 times:
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Quoting flymia (Reply 2):

One until a case goes to the supreme court if one ever does this is a state issue.

Agreed 100%. He cannot unilaterally force the issue on anybody, which is fine - that is the nature of the rule of law that we have.

It still good to hear  
Quoting flymia (Reply 2):
Second this is the same President Obama who for the last few years has said over and over again he is NOT for same sex marriage.

Ugh really? since you brought it up.. want to list some of Romney "flip flops"? Do you know that he is taking credit for the auto industry turn-around?

Quoting tugger (Reply 3):
Same reason why he didn't state such a position previously. But hey, he's a politician, so I expect him to be political. Everyone knew that if push came to shove he would not have opposed it.

Of course - he is a politician. You don't get where he is at by not being one.



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User currently offlineMolykote From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 1340 posts, RR: 29
Reply 5, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3194 times:

Quoting tugger (Reply 3):
When you get right down to it, there is no real reason to not support same-sex marriage.

Sure there is (civil unions... for gay and straight).

If you choose to have a religiously recognized "marriage" beyond a state sanctioned civil union, that's fine. I think that the "civil union only" approach (at least within the bounds of government) serves to establish equality and to dissociate religion from government.



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User currently offlineslider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6787 posts, RR: 34
Reply 6, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3190 times:

/looks at poll numbers
//realizes needs another distraction from the economy and the disaster of a presidency
///sticks fingers in air

////SUPPORTS GAY MARRIAGE AFTER HAVING WAFFLED AND VACILLATED FOR YEARS

Such a great election ploy, Obama....and transparent. yawn.


User currently offlinemt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6574 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3182 times:
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Quoting slider (Reply 6):

Such a great election ploy, Obama....and transparent. yawn.

And this is what? - not an election ploy?

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_1...s-opposition-to-same-sex-marriage/



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User currently offlinetugger From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 5427 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3146 times:

Quoting Molykote (Reply 5):
Sure there is (civil unions... for gay and straight).

If you choose to have a religiously recognized "marriage" beyond a state sanctioned civil union, that's fine. I think that the "civil union only" approach (at least within the bounds of government) serves to establish equality and to dissociate religion from government.

  
Can't argue with that really. Because if people are arguing that "marriage" is religious then government should not be involved (though I don't think it exclusively is). So quite frankly a "civil union" is fine by me.

Many religion's have no problem at all with same-sex marriage so those that do support it will perform the marriages and those that don't still won't and those people that just "don't believe in" marriage at all can also at least be recognized by the state and receive the benefits of such a union. And the "nature" (oooo horror) of marriage then will not be affected by those that claim it will be (let me say that again: "Oooo the horror!!!").

Tugg



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User currently onlinevikkyvik From United States of America, joined exactly 11 years ago today! , 9799 posts, RR: 26
Reply 9, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3141 times:
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Quoting Molykote (Reply 5):
Sure there is (civil unions... for gay and straight).

If you choose to have a religiously recognized "marriage" beyond a state sanctioned civil union, that's fine. I think that the "civil union only" approach (at least within the bounds of government) serves to establish equality and to dissociate religion from government.

  

Absolutely the best plan, in my opinion.



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39709 posts, RR: 75
Reply 10, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3141 times:

Cute. Kudos to Husseien.

I'm still voting for Romney in November.



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User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25012 posts, RR: 85
Reply 11, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3110 times:
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Quoting mt99 (Reply 4):
Agreed 100%. He cannot unilaterally force the issue on anybody, which is fine - that is the nature of the rule of law that we have.

It still good to hear

  

As Andrew Sullivan writes:

http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast....2012/05/obama-lets-go-of-fear.html

"I do not know how orchestrated this was; and I do not know how calculated it is. What I know is that, absorbing the news, I was uncharacteristically at a loss for words for a while, didn't know what to write, and, like many Dish readers, there are tears in my eyes.

So let me simply say: I think of all the gay kids out there who now know they have their president on their side.

Today Obama did more than make a logical step. He let go of fear. He is clearly prepared to let the political chips fall as they may. That's why we elected him. That's the change we believed in. The contrast with a candidate who wants to abolish all rights for gay couples by amending the federal constitution, and who has donated to organizations that seek to "cure" gays, who bowed to pressure from bigots who demanded the head of a spokesman on foreign policy solely because he was gay: how much starker can it get?"


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User currently offlineflipdewaf From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2006, 1562 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3082 times:
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Quoting Molykote (Reply 5):
If you choose to have a religiously recognized "marriage" beyond a state sanctioned civil union

Why does religion get to own marriage?

Fred


User currently offlinedfwrevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 962 posts, RR: 51
Reply 13, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3083 times:

Quoting akiss20 (Thread starter):
I am somewhat surprised but pleased by this. For the first time in my (granted short thusfar) life, I feel as if I have a president who actually will fight for my rights and recognizes me as an equal citizen.

If this was so important to Obama, why did he not address the issue when he had a filibuster-proof majority in both the House and Senate? That Obama is now backing gay marriage makes it seem like:

1. It was a low priority or non-priority, which makes Obama's 2008 campaign promises seem hollow
2. It's only being floated out now as an election year campaign issue after the other campaign initiatives failed to engage the public
3. It's still only being floated after Biden was used to test the waters in the talk show circuit, so how strong is Obama's actual resolve?

It screams pandering. Realistically, Obama will not have the legislative majority he had in 2008-2010, so nothing is going to happen one way or another.


User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25012 posts, RR: 85
Reply 14, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3033 times:
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Quoting dfwrevolution (Reply 14):
It screams pandering.

Probably only to those who want it seem like pandering.

For some people, it means something quite other:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...-off_n_1504061.html?ref=gay-voices

"Iowa student Zach Wahls -- whose impassioned marriage equality speech became the most-viewed political video on YouTube after going viral twice in 2011 -- noted, "As the son of asame-sex couple from Iowa, and one of the first children born to an openly lesbian parent in the Midwest, it is with a sense of awe-struck bewilderment that I realize I am now represented by a sitting U.S. president who publicly supports the marriage shared by my two moms, Jackie and Terry.""

Why would the President need to "pander" to him? He would already have that vote.

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User currently offlinekiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8544 posts, RR: 13
Reply 15, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3031 times:
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Quoting flipdewaf (Reply 13):
Why does religion get to own marriage?

Exactly, if the US really believes in the separation of church and state they should do what Belgium does... there, if people want to have a religious "wedding ceremony" recognised by the church that is up to them... but the only marriage which has any legal validity is the civil one done at the town hall which is open to all couples regardless of religious beliefs or gender.



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User currently offlineswissy From Switzerland, joined Jan 2005, 1734 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3009 times:

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 16):
Exactly, if the US really believes in the separation of church and state they should do what Belgium does... there, if people want to have a religious "wedding ceremony" recognised by the church that is up to them... but the only marriage which has any legal validity is the civil one done at the town hall which is open to all couples regardless of religious beliefs or gender.

Agree with you... why cant we accept marriage by law is a commitment between two people... got/should have nothing to do with gender... its time to move in to the new millennium and give them the same rights and protection... so simple

Cheerios,


User currently offlinetugger From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 5427 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2994 times:

Quoting flipdewaf (Reply 13):
Why does religion get to own marriage?

It doesn't.

Religion specifically does not "own" the word at all, and if it did then based on religious freedom the US would have to recognize those marriages that are performed by religions that accept and support same-sex marriage. Because they already recognize marriage in other religions and to otherwise deny such recognition would be (and quite frankly I think it is) to favor one religion over another.

Tugg



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19416 posts, RR: 58
Reply 18, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 2940 times:

Quoting Molykote (Reply 5):
Sure there is (civil unions... for gay and straight).

If you choose to have a religiously recognized "marriage" beyond a state sanctioned civil union, that's fine. I think that the "civil union only" approach (at least within the bounds of government) serves to establish equality and to dissociate religion from government.

You're in a word game.

"Marriage" is the word used for secular legal unions in this country. Religious officials are allowed to conduct legal marriages, but so are judges. You can get married at City Hall.

We are NOT going to get rid of civil marriage and replace it with universal civil unions. It will not happen. The word for a legal civil union is "marriage." The fact that some states do not allow it is a clear violation of the "Equal Protection" clause. The SCOTUS has ruled eight times that marriage is a fundamental civil right. There is absolutely no logical or legal argument against gay marriage and recent court cases in which the anti-gay sides (and let's not pretend that it's anything other than anti-gay sentiment) have been able to present NOT ONE SINGLE legal or secular argument against gay marriage is proof of that.

So it's "gay marriage."


User currently offlineus330 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 3868 posts, RR: 14
Reply 19, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 2930 times:

Quoting flymia (Reply 2):

Second this is the same President Obama who for the last few years has said over and over again he is NOT for same sex marriage. This is a purely political move coming from the master politician.

I think the guy always thought that same sex marriage should be legal, he just couldn't voice it for fear of screwing over his election chances. This was absolutely a move calculated to be taken at the most politically-opportune time--but I'm glad he said it anyway.


User currently onlineplaneguy727 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1240 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 2915 times:

I understand people's excitement about the President's statement today; however, I would have been more excited is he came out in support of the government ending "legal" recognition of marriage. The love and dedication of two people declared to each other is a beautiful thing, but the gov't should not be involved.


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User currently offlineCompensateMe From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 1060 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 2902 times:

Quoting dfwrevolution (Reply 14):
That Obama is now backing gay marriage makes it seem like:

Support for gay marriage is significantly stronger today than it was four years ago.

Political candidates rarely openly support issues the majority of their constitutes support, regardless of their party affiliation.



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User currently offlinetugger From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 5427 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 2901 times:

Quoting planeguy727 (Reply 21):
I understand people's excitement about the President's statement today; however, I would have been more excited is he came out in support of the government ending "legal" recognition of marriage. The love and dedication of two people declared to each other is a beautiful thing, but the gov't should not be involved.

The whole reason why government recognizes it and supports it (tax status, benefits for partner, etc) is because it saves the government an enormous amount of money and supports a strong society.

Plain and simple, you want to encourage two people to be together and commit to each other (beyond that is not needed as "two together" is the basic building block of all society - as the song goes "one is the loneliest number"   ) so that you can afford to have a society, a city, a nation, a civilization.

Tugg



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User currently offlinefxramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7196 posts, RR: 85
Reply 23, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2851 times:
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Quoting DocLightning (Reply 19):
You're in a word game.

I think Obama is too. When the transcripts come out and the full interview is revealed you'll see he twisted words for votes. Plain and simple. He said he thinks they 'should' not have the 'right'. It's silly to point out but he is double dipping trying to preserve the vote that got him elected and still go after another demographic. He is getting killed in every poll against Romney. If Obama wants to steal some votes this early in the season dump Biden and take a new running mate. Comical what that guy said about Iran.   


User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19416 posts, RR: 58
Reply 24, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2923 times:

Quoting fxramper (Reply 24):
He is getting killed in every poll against Romney.

Odd. You must be watching Fox.

Obama was put under pressure and he finally gave. Of course he backs gay marriage. He flat-out lied up until now. It's something I can forgive, but I won't forget.


25 dfwrevolution : If 6 months out from the general election, the GOP took-up prayer in school as an election issue, the howls from the left would be deafening. Both pa
26 FlyPNS1 : What's that got to do with gay marriage? Even with a Democratic majority, Congress couldn't do anything meaningful regarding gay marriage.
27 DocLightning : First of all, the Southern Democrats would not have allowed it. Second, gay marriage was less popular in 2009 than it is in 2012. Now that a true maj
28 CompensateMe : We can ask the same question about the GOP from 2000-2006. Many polls are now showing that about half of Americans support same-sex marriage. That's
29 Maverick623 : This. What you Europeans like to call a "civil union", we call marriage. It is the same thing. We get confused when people talk about abolishing marr
30 ltbewr : Ditto. This is still a very small step. An important but still small one. What is needed is for the Federal Government to recognize in tax laws, Soci
31 mariner : I assume that neither he, nor a number of his party had evolved to this position then. Even four years ago, support of marriage equality was scarcely
32 akiss20 : Just for reference, in '08 support for gay marriage was 40% according to Gallup. Even halfway through '10, it was only at 46%
33 DocLightning : They could have repealed DOMA and they did not. Which is irrelevant because civil rights are not decided by majority vote.
34 akiss20 : I understand that Mike, I am just demonstrating that if you want to view it as Obama shifting because of shifting views in the country, there is evid
35 kngkyle : About damn time. Now do something to change the federal immigration policy that bars same-sex marriages equal rights.
36 usflyer msp : I am actually very mad at obama for announcing this right now. he should have waited until after the election. call em a cynic but he can kiss his sou
37 StarAC17 : I'm not, he supported it all along regarding civil unions. Obama was pandering in 08 and now he is doing and saying what he thinks. I think he was pa
38 windy95 : He did not openly support it. He caved to pressure for cash. He did it under duress because his donors held his campaign hostage. Bingo He has prettty
39 luckyone : Don't get too excited. As we've seen, the man does not have a magic wand. Bingo!! Yup, even if I do agree. He's still a politician. Most apropos here
40 Post contains images StarAC17 : He was pandering in 08 IMO. He always was pro gay marriage, I also think he thinks religion is a crock of crap but he isn't coming out with that one.
41 D L X : It is not a state issue. Equal rights under the US Constitution has been a federal issue ever since the 14th Amendment made it so. I'm going to assum
42 tommy767 : Yeah my thoughts exactly. Very cute Barack. If he was so passionate about gay marriage then why didn't he come out and say it before? He just plain s
43 Post contains images WestJet747 : So that's what he's going by these days? I hadn't realized And I know your spelling is better than that, Superfly... What makes you think he's "so pa
44 Post contains links slider : You usually don't see this from Gawker, but it's an intriguing take on Obama's announcement. http://gawker.com/5909002/barack-oba...bullshit-gay-marri
45 einsteinboricua : Only three words: About freaking time! It's about time a president took a clear stand on the issue. I wonder how this will affect the campaigns and el
46 Dreadnought : This debate of Gay Marriage has been manipulated to be a diversion, so that we forget the important issues: issues like our economy, the international
47 mt99 : Are you channeling Karl Rove in 2004? Forget the wars - its "traditional families" whats important. Of course its political, just like its political
48 flipdewaf : LOL, best comment of this thread so far! So unless obama did something as soon as he came into office then it doesn't count as what he really wants?
49 Post contains links and images D L X : To all those conservative posters complaining that Obama is being politically opportunistic, pot, meet kettle. Romney in 1994: "The Gay Community Need
50 DocLightning : Civil Rights is ALWAYS and ALWAYS the FIRST priority. This could be solved in five minutes if the Right would just let it happen. For free. "Gays wan
51 tugger : And the sad thing that I would vote for "that" Mitt Romney. But with the pandering that is going on now and the extreme requirements that are imposed
52 D L X : That Mitt Romney is electable. So true, but let's not pretend like the Democrats aren't starting to add litmus tests to their candidates as well. I f
53 FlyPNS1 : You're probably right, but it's the RIGHT who loves to wade into the social issues. It was Santorum and his crusade on social issues that brought thi
54 Ken777 : Religion doesn't really own marriage - they just own the politicians who will block "non-traditional" marriage. I have nothing against traditional ma
55 Post contains links mt99 : But before "that" Romney: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/n...-revealed-20120510,0,3734346.story "A Washington Post investigation into Mitt Romney
56 Post contains links and images Superfly : Ok I'll play nice. Again, kudos to him for speaking out in favor of gay marriage. Sounds like he was for the ban before he was against the ban. I won
57 tugger : Sort of yes, and sort of no. Do you really honestly believe that he was firmly against same-sex marriage before hand? Regardless of what he had said?
58 windy95 : I really do not know? It is sad that we cater to certain groups when it comes to this. This is a no-brainer when it comes to social issues. Being a p
59 einsteinboricua : If only everyone from your side thought the same way...
60 Superfly : I don't think he gives a rat's @$$ about the issue one way or the other. Same for Romney. They're only concerned about winning elections as any other
61 Ken777 : That, of course, means access to marriage. The relationship, the benefits & responsibilities and (for some) the costs of divorce somewhere down t
62 Post contains images slider : Even when Cheney came out supporting gay rights formally and publicly long before? I think it's unfair, inaccurate and inappropriate to brand all of
63 D L X : You're right. There are two kinds of Republican office holders: 1) those who are on a mission to ban gay rights and 2) those who allow their brethren
64 Post contains links something : Because the social construct of a life-long, monogamous contractual binding of a man and a woman derives directly from religions. It's not something
65 windy95 : Wrong. It does not say that. A reinterpretation by a judge years after it was written may say that but the politicians who wrote the 14th amendment d
66 Klaus : Nonsense. It is the predominant form of relationship with all humans, completely regardless of any religions. Religions have merely co-opted an insti
67 stasisLAX : Where's Karl Christian Rove? This smells like a "turd blossom", as George W used to call Rove. The tightening of abortion laws and the ENTIRE gay marr
68 D L X : Yes, it absolutely does. Equal protection under the law. We've been over this many many times.
69 Post contains images StarAC17 : Correct, America was never founded with the intention of being the economic powerhouse that it is. It was founded on freedom and equality and they st
70 Post contains images zkojq : Why do people keep implying that everyone who classifies themselves as being part of a certain religion automatically are against gay marriage? Plenty
71 StarAC17 : Not just that but a lot of blue dog democrats didn't vote with the caucus and would not support gay marriage legislation. Times change and people are
72 Maverick623 : You're confusing the 14th Amendment and the Full Faith and Credit clause, the latter of which is far weaker than most people would believe. Well:
73 Superfly : We don't know if he was a good basketball player. After-all, he claimed to have been a Constitutional law professor but we're finding out that he is
74 MAH4546 : I support gay marriage and I'm glad he said it, but just as glad because he just gave all the southern swing state to Rommney. The liberal media loves
75 Superfly : I wholeheartedly agree with your post! I support gay marriage as well but those who have very strong opinions about the issue are either extreme left
76 windy95 : Correct. No it does not. The 14th amendment was strictly for giving the Slaves/African Americans rights they did not have before. It on no way was me
77 D L X : Dude, have you ever read the 14th Amendment? You really need to. Start with section 1. Note that it does not mention slaves. "Section 1. All persons
78 einsteinboricua : Now, one thing I like here is how people say this is Obama playing politics. Come on, you guys know he took a gamble by coming out in support of gay m
79 D L X : I'd say most of the people on this thread complaining that he is playing politics are people who have said things to suggest they usually vote for th
80 DocLightning : Newsflash: Rush Limbaugh and Bristol Palin have both come out in favor of "Traditional Marriage." (No joke) The rest of the world (including Rush's fi
81 windy95 : Sorry but if you read what the framers of this amendment said and what was put into the civil rights acts of the time and previous to this you will f
82 Post contains images zkojq : Back then I was hardly a christian.... not that I made that clear in my previous post. My point might be somewhat invalid anyway because New Zealande
83 Post contains images Revelation : From a FB friend:
84 Post contains links mt99 : OMG you cannot make up sh*t like this: Qouting one non-traditional-famly Bristol Palin. ”While it’s great to listen to your kids’ ideas, there
85 StarAC17 : Such a valid point. As I said before straight people have stuffed up marriage enough so let the gays have a go. The concept of a marriage and a weddi
86 DocLightning : It is 100% proof that prejudice and hatred (and perhaps downright sadistic delight in causing harm to others) is the justification for the opposition
87 Post contains images OA412 : I see you're still perpetuating the lie that he's a Muslim. Classy. Ah, so the transformation to Republican is now complete. Without even bothering w
88 zkojq : To paraphrase what Jon Stewart said a while back: 'Rush Limbaugh believes so strongly in the sacred institution of marriage that he has completed thr
89 Post contains links and images Superfly : Did you guys see the new cover of Newsweek Magazine? The title is provocative and I couldn't help but get a chuckle. http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticke
90 Post contains links bjorn14 : I actually did see a video of him playing b-ball in the Hawai'i State Championship game (Which his school won). He seemed to be a good baller. As in
91 Superfly : Glad to know that he is good at something.
92 windy95 : I will trust what the people who actually wrote the amendment said not some modern day lawyer who is just tossing in his political opinion. Do you tr
93 Klaus : The obvious reason for that was to distinguish him from his father who had an otherwise identical name, and the "W" had no judgmental connotation by
94 mt99 : And Romney's stance in the issue not political?
95 D L X : And I thought you were going to leave this topic alone. This is the problem of modern media politicizing everything. The FACTS that I gave you to coun
96 Post contains links and images Dreadnought : On liberal blogs, a lot of people realize this as a facepalm moment. http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002682035 Not a great couple of weeks for
97 DocLightning : More accurately, he had been planning on announcing his support closer to the Convention, irrespective of Biden. What Biden did was to basically forc
98 DocLightning : Can you back that statement up with references?
99 luckyone : First: Nothing in the United States Constitution grants rights. It and all of its amendments PROTECT rights, and the document itself explicitly state
100 CompensateMe : Southern swing states? Huh? You mean Florida (the only southern state truly in-play, and nothing Obama said changed that)? Winning NC and VA in 2012
101 Post contains links Dreadnought : Looks like some people are saying that this move might cost Obama the election, by alienating black voters, which are a far more important part of hi
102 Superfly : Virginia has been shifting leftwards before Obama winning the state in 2008. Although it's a conservative state, the suburbs of Washington D.C. are e
103 CompensateMe : In general, there's not as much enthusiasm for this election as there was in 2008. While Obama may have alienated a small faction of deeply religious
104 StarAC17 : Do you know any black people outside of some nuts that actually thought they would get reparations. I think Romney will get Florida but he has to be
105 Post contains images Superfly : That's what I was thinking. Only the militant types talk about this. It's not an issue most Blacks are concerned with. Black unemployment under Obama
106 Post contains images StarAC17 : I'm not a politically correct person . I believe it will enslave us all!!
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