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LG Optimus Black Or BlackBerry 9360?  
User currently offlinesoftrally From Canada, joined Mar 2012, 81 posts, RR: 0
Posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 829 times:

Hi guys, I desperately need a new phone, as I broke my old one. I narrowed my choices to two phones; the LG Optimus Black and the BlackBerry 9360. I can buy the LG Optimus Black at $100 and the BlackBerry 9360 at $50 (actually $100, but I get a $50 gift card). I did some research and both of them seem to be very fine phones. I currently have a Samsung Galaxy S WiFi (It's like an iTouch), so I'm not so sure if I need another Android. I need a smartphone though because I need to data time to time and do not have WiFi. Does anybody know which of the two phones is better? Thanks.  


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User currently offlineWestJet747 From Canada, joined Aug 2011, 1830 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 823 times:

Who's your wireless carrier? This makes a big difference since both phones can vary from carrier to carrier based on the specs they demand.


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User currently offlinesoftrally From Canada, joined Mar 2012, 81 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 807 times:

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 1):

Koodo.



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User currently offlineWestJet747 From Canada, joined Aug 2011, 1830 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 796 times:

Quoting softrally (Reply 2):
Koodo.

Hmm...with Koodoo you aren't likely to get any special features with either phone. So it's a bit of a toss-up.

I'll start by saying that if you plan to use this phone for any business applications whatsoever then the 9360 is the way to go, no question.

If you're using it only for personal use...I still suggest the 9360. For $100 (plus the gift card) you can't go wrong. Some of the biggest reasons for this choice in my opinion:

- BBM!!!
- all current generation devices are preloaded with OS 7.0 which should allow you to upgrade to 7.1 after purchase
- NFC (Near Field Communication) capabilities (*7.1 feature)
- superior emailing
- wi-fi calling (*7.1 feature)
- Curves and Bolds are built like bricks, I have a 9300 and a 9900 and I couldn't break either if I tried

To provide a dissenting view, some pros for the LG:

- Android operating system is more user friendly
- greater number of apps available
- a lot of people prefer touchscreen phones (I'm not one of them)
- if you happen to switch over to Telus, their Optimus Blacks come with a Skype feature



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User currently offlineafterburner From Indonesia, joined Jun 2005, 1209 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (2 years 2 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 789 times:

Almost all BlackBerry users I know, including my wife, say that the only thing that keeps them using it is the BBM feature. The quality of BlackBerry handsets somewhat lags behind other brands such as Samsung, LG, and Nokia. And for the features, BlackBerry offers least bang for the buck among famous brands of mobile phone. No wonder that BleckBerry's market share is getting smaller end smaller.

User currently offlinesoftrally From Canada, joined Mar 2012, 81 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 745 times:

Uh....Do I need a photo ID to buy a phone? I'm at a boarding school and the school has my passport. (I'm Korean but I am planning to immigrate)


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User currently offlineWestJet747 From Canada, joined Aug 2011, 1830 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 732 times:

Quoting afterburner (Reply 4):
Almost all BlackBerry users I know, including my wife, say that the only thing that keeps them using it is the BBM feature. The quality of BlackBerry handsets somewhat lags behind other brands such as Samsung, LG, and Nokia. And for the features, BlackBerry offers least bang for the buck among famous brands of mobile phone. No wonder that BleckBerry's market share is getting smaller end smaller.

You sound awfully pessimistic for someone who lives in one of BlackBerry's largest markets  

Just to clarify, BlackBerry's market share is getting smaller and smaller only in the North American consumer handheld market. BlackBerry's Enterprise solutions (government and business), South Asian sales, and network revenues are all very strong. In fact, just yesterday RIM won back the US Military contract for use of 7 different BlackBerry models to be used on secure military networks.

Quoting softrally (Reply 5):
Do I need a photo ID to buy a phone? I'm at a boarding school and the school has my passport.

To buy a phone? No. To sign a contract? Yes. At least I have to everytime I renew my contract with Bell.



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User currently offlinesoftrally From Canada, joined Mar 2012, 81 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 707 times:

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 6):
To buy a phone? No. To sign a contract? Yes. At least I have to everytime I renew my contract with Bell.

Darn, that sucks. Is there any substitute I can use?



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User currently offlineWestJet747 From Canada, joined Aug 2011, 1830 posts, RR: 10
Reply 8, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 694 times:

Quoting softrally (Reply 7):
Is there any substitute I can use?

I know more about the actual phones than I do about phone contracts. I would suggest calling Koodo or going to one of their kiosks and asking one the salespeople. Not all carriers have the same policies.



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User currently offlineafterburner From Indonesia, joined Jun 2005, 1209 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 678 times:

Quoting WestJet747 (Reply 6):
Just to clarify, BlackBerry's market share is getting smaller and smaller only in the North American consumer handheld market.

No offense to you Canadians. Yes, there are regions/countries where BlackBerry market share is rising. One example is my own country, Indonesia. However, globally, BlackBerry market share is declining. It is eroded by iPhone and Android phones.

[Edited 2012-05-11 02:01:06]

User currently offlinesomething From United Kingdom, joined May 2011, 1633 posts, RR: 21
Reply 10, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 672 times:

I use a Blackberry Curve 3G. I believe it's sold as the 9360 on your side of the ocean.

It's a very reliable phone. I use it for navigation, some webbrowsing, use some apps to read news, enjoy the BBM, stream liveatc and some US radio stations and of course emailing. I wanted a phone that was smaller than a book, had an actual keyboard and let me use all of the above.

I find Androids difficult to navigate and they're usually too big (their batteries don't last long) and iPhones are all of that plus they're way too expensive and owned by the wrong people (douchebag wannabe hipsters).

If you want to play games, and enjoy websurfing capabilities, I'd suggest you go with something with a larger screen. Maybe even the Blackberry Torch. But if you're looking for a small, reliable phone with long battery life, you should go with the Blackberry.

By the way, $50.. is that with a subsidizing contract? I got mine in Germany, 'cause nobody uses Blackberries there. They sell the Torch unlocked for like €160 these days. But $50 for an unlocked 9360 still sounds ridiculous.



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User currently offlinenorthstardc4m From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 2992 posts, RR: 37
Reply 11, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 660 times:
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Quoting afterburner (Reply 9):
No offense to you Canadians. Yes, there are regions/countries where BlackBerry market share is rising. One example is my own country, Indonesia. However, globally, BlackBerry market share is declining. It is eroded by iPhone and Android phones.

No offense to you either but "market share" is a useless media centric outlook.

Who is buying devices on what contracts?
Who is switching phones at the bottom end?
Who is switching in the prosumer range (mid-range business)
Who is swtiching in the high end?
What email solutions are being used?

BlackBerry mid to high end subscriber numbers are declining in only 1 market worldwide currently, and that market is Japan when iPhone isn't a factor either.
Percentage of subscribers is dangerous for any manufacturer to get comfy in because the "bottom end" phone buyers don't really care if its a BlackBerry or a Samsung or an HTC or whatever and they switch back and forth based on price and other factors.

BlackBerry still has the corporate (CORPORATE as in device+service+system, not BYOD and we will let you use it) world because of security concerns and administration factors. Is that changing? yes, is RIM changing as well... yes. Is the sky falling for RIM, no!

Apple and Android are end user centered devices coming into a the corporate environment, BlackBerry is the reverse. Apple's subscriber share is topping out as well in most markets, their sales are flattening. Android is still climbing.



Ok so back to the OP...

Unless you need corporate email it's a 50/50 honestly from the specs... For experience I don't have alot to offer on the Optimus, we don't offer it, but our 9300s are decent devices, more than adequate for the use you expect.



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21413 posts, RR: 54
Reply 12, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 656 times:

Quoting northstardc4m (Reply 11):
Apple and Android are end user centered devices coming into a the corporate environment, BlackBerry is the reverse. Apple's subscriber share is topping out as well in most markets, their sales are flattening. Android is still climbing.

You're confusing market share and total sales. Both are not the same in a rapidly growing market.

Apple's total numbers are rapidly growing, just not quite as fast as the entire market in every quarter since they are only operating in the top segment, so their market share is not always growing.

RIM's total numbers are stagnating or declining, so their market share has been on a consistent decline for years already, with little expectation that they will be able to turn this trend around.

 
Quoting northstardc4m (Reply 11):
Is the sky falling for RIM, no!

When looking at their market share, it is:



These graphics are about the US market, but the global situation is similar.

Their management is in turmoil, their old platform is at a dead end and has lost much customer confidence, not just various U.S. government agencies are ditching it wholesale and their newly presented platform is far from marketable.

Analysts primarily disagree whether they will be sold for scraps or if they will end up in bankruptcy. It won't be too long either way, however.

Unless you are part of an organisation which mandates Blackberry, I'd stay away from it.

In most cases I would recommend an iPhone, but there can be reasons for Android or possibly even Windows Phone.


User currently offlinenorthstardc4m From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 2992 posts, RR: 37
Reply 13, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 651 times:
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Quoting Klaus (Reply 12):
Their management is in turmoil, their old platform is at a dead end and has lost much customer confidence, not just various U.S. government agencies are ditching it wholesale and their newly presented platform is far from marketable.

Again with media twisting...

Management is not in turmoil. The leadership had a major shakeup that was a long time coming. Basile and Lazardis hung on for too long and everyone knew it. The new leadership has already redirectioned the company (Mobile Fusion, Blackberry Ten) and the turnaround is coming.

The DoD just APPROVED BlackBerry OS 7 (and has not approved any iOS or Android devices). RIM still holds the lion share of mission critical and secured agencies (DoD, State, Whitehouse, Homeland Security, SEC, IRS...). Groups that have switched off BlackBerry (NOAA, EPA, Agriculture) never have had RIM as a primary supplier or never used a full BlackBerry solution (Server+Service+Device).

Even IF BlackBerry 10 fails to hold or gain market, RIM is a prime takeover candidate for the back-end and network solutions they offer. It won't be going away.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 12):
Analysts primarily disagree whether they will be sold for scraps or if they will end up in bankruptcy. It won't be too long either way, however.

Media spin again. Yes there has been a hiccup but it has truckloads of funding available. RIM is NOT falling. They are changing to be sure though. RIM is making a major shift to a solution provider in fact rather than a primarily device provider. They are moving back to their roots and are going to fight tooth and nail with anyone (be they fruity or green) from getting in to that domain. The largest corporate users are not willing to just jump ship to Apple or Google without more security and control over the solution available. Android doesn't even offer true device administration remotely without 3rd party applications doing it on the device. Apple offers only limited remote admin for iOS and even then you have to jump through difficult certificate hoops to set it up. Where as remote admin of the BlackBerry is basically if it exists on the device, you can set it via policy.

Lets put it this way:

Using only Apple products can you remotely reset the password on an iPhone?
Using only Google products can you set up email service on an Android device over the air?
Using ANY product can you FORCE AND GUARANTEE that an application will be installed on an Android or iPhone?
Using ANY product can you LOG ALL COMMUNICATIONS off device for iPhone or Android?

Hint, the answer is no
and the answer for RIM/Blackberry to all those is yes.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 12):
You're confusing market share and total sales. Both are not the same in a rapidly growing market.

No I'm not, I'm making the statement quite to the contrary in fact.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 12):
When looking at their market share, it is:

That graph's biggest failing is the last word in the title, smartphone.
Smartphones are now the mainstream model. In 2009 "dumb" phones were still a large part of the market. Android and iOS have absorbed almost all of that market in the last 3 years.

I just finished going through RIM's, Google's and Apple's "positioning" documents and presentations for the next 12 months and only RIMs makes any show of anything new being in the works or on the way.



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User currently offlineafterburner From Indonesia, joined Jun 2005, 1209 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 625 times:

Can you explain to my why this happens?

Quoting CBCNews:
Research in Motion shares continued to slump on the Toronto Stock Exchange Thursday, as tepid reviews for the company's recently unveiled BlackBerry 10 operating system pushed the stock below the $12 level.

RIM shares lost 5.1 per cent to trade at $11.98 late in the trading session. The last time the stock was below the $12 level was December 22, 2003, when RIM shares closed at $10.23.
link.



[Edited 2012-05-11 19:49:18]

User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26854 posts, RR: 58
Reply 15, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 607 times:

Quoting softrally (Thread starter):
the LG Optimus Black

LG all the way . I hate Blackberry's I used to have one and gave it away .


User currently offlineWestJet747 From Canada, joined Aug 2011, 1830 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (2 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 583 times:

Quoting afterburner (Reply 9):
No offense to you Canadians.

None taken!  
Quoting something (Reply 10):
I use a Blackberry Curve 3G. I believe it's sold as the 9360 on your side of the ocean.

The devices themselves are not rebranded across regions. So it would still be sold as the 9360 over there. If you open your menu and go into Options > Device > About Device Versions, you'll find it right there in the first line.

Quoting something (Reply 10):
I got mine in Germany, 'cause nobody uses Blackberries there.

I beg to differ, considering there's a whole department in RIM that operates out of the Munich office.

Quoting northstardc4m (Reply 11):

  

Quoting Klaus (Reply 12):
Analysts primarily disagree whether they will be sold for scraps or if they will end up in bankruptcy. It won't be too long either way, however.

First off, in Canada, your debts must exceed your assets to be bankrupt. And guess what? RIM has ZERO debt. In fact, they actually have cash on hand. Whoever is telling you they're close to bankruptcy should probably go back to business school.

Now back to the analysts...they're famous speculators. A lot of analysts (none with any inside/classified information to substantiate their speculations) are making negative assessments of RIM based on an extremely alpha version of a BB10 device shown at the BlackBerry World conference. I've seen some cool stuff that they haven't shown to the analysts, and I'm excited about it.

Quoting northstardc4m (Reply 13):
The new leadership has already redirectioned the company

   Thorsten Heins is the best thing that's happen to this company in the last 10 years in my opinion. The guy is a genius.

Also, just this week RIM hired two very experience executives. They hired Kristian Tear (previously an executive with Sony Ericsson) as COO, and Frank Boulben (previously a marketing executive with Vodafone and Orange) as CMO.

Quoting northstardc4m (Reply 13):
Even IF BlackBerry 10 fails to hold or gain market, RIM is a prime takeover candidate for the back-end and network solutions they offer. It won't be going away.

   Another checkmark for you northstardc4m. RIM would still make enormous amounts of money even if they didn't sell a single BB10 device. Right now they're making well over $1B a quarter just from fees they charge to use the BlackBerry network. People also fail to realize that you can use just about any smartphone on the Blackberry Enterprise Server (BES), and BlackBerry Mobile Fusion is used by many Fortune 500 companies and growing daily.

Quoting afterburner (Reply 14):
Can you explain to my why this happens?

I answer this above. To re-iterate, analysts are speculating based on raw prototypes that are in early alpha stages. Thorsten himself said that the devices they presented and distributed to developers is nothing like what the final product is going to be. I've seen what they showed developers at the conference, and I've seen a device in the more advanced stages of testing/development (but not quite beta), and Thorsten is correct, they're not at all the same.

I'm not worried about share price. RIM had predicted their share price would fall in the period leading up to the BB10 launch.



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